FET & the Atmosphere

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Fossil evidence points directly to continental drift, so therefore the Earth is round.

No. Fossil evidence supports an expanding earth. Read the link.

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Hey Tom, you do realize that expanding earth theory is an RE theory, don't you?

How can an RE grow and expand into a bigger earth? Where does the matter come from?

It's easy to see how a Flat Earth can expand, since it's accelerating upwards and things tend to flatten and expand outwards as they are accelerated, pulling away from its center of balance. For example, as a fighter pilot accelerates to Mach 3 his face is flattened and expanded outwards.

If, as Tom mentioned, the FE is expanding due to the UA, what keeps our atmosphere on top of the earth?  I would assume that air would expand quicker than a solid mass of rock?

With TB's flat earth model. The frozen wastes beyond the ice wall receiving no heat from the sun(This clashes with Narc's model where the heat comes from the Earth itself) there would be no atmosphere.

An infinite plane with no heat source would liquify or freeze our atmosphere. It would have gradually flowed away to the frozen plane with nothing to replenish it.

I prefer to call it the atmolayer. As a finite FEer, I believe the Ice Wall (Hhoog) holds it in.

I prefer to call it the atmolayer. Atea finite FEer, I believe the Ice Wall (Hhoog) holds it in.

So the ice wall is now 150km high, rather than 150ft?
Do u have any evidence for such an extraordinary wall?

So the ice wall is now 150km high, rather than 150ft?
Do u have any evidence for such an extraordinary wall?

40000 feet. And it's a different Ice Wall, if you actually studied FET carefully you'd realise that 150 feet refers to the Ross Ice Shelf.

Rename to FET & Atmoplane/Atmolayer.

Sphere dosn't fit with FET.

Quote from: ghazwozza on June 19, 2008, 05:58:41 AM

So the ice wall is now 150km high, rather than 150ft?
Do u have any evidence for such an extraordinary wall?

40000 feet. And it's a different Ice Wall, if you actually studied FET carefully you'd realise that 150 feet refers to the Ross Ice Shelf.

It must be higher than 40,000 feet (~12km). The X-15 flew above 100km, the Blackbird flew above 25km, even Concorde flew above 18km.
Based on the X-15, the larger ice wall must be over 100km (328,000 feet) high.

How much distance is there between the smaller and larger ice-walls, roughly?

Quote from: Dogplatter on June 19, 2008, 06:28:48 AM

Quote from: ghazwozza on June 19, 2008, 05:58:41 AM

So the ice wall is now 150km high, rather than 150ft?s
Do u have any evidence for such an extraordinary wall?

40000 feet. And it's a different Ice Wall, if you actually studied FET carefully you'd realise that 150 feet refers to the Ross Ice Shelf.

It must be higher than 40,000 feet (~12km). The X-15 flew above 100km, the Blackbird flew above 25km, even Concorde flew above 18km.
Based on the X-15, the larger ice wall must be over 100km (328,000 feet) high.

How much distance is there between the smaller and larger ice-walls, roughly?

The distance is whatever is convenient at the time.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 18, 2008, 09:17:55 PM

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Fossil evidence points directly to continental drift, so therefore the Earth is round.

No. Fossil evidence supports an expanding earth. Read the link.

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Hey Tom, you do realize that expanding earth theory is an RE theory, don't you?

How can an RE grow and expand into a bigger earth? Where does the matter come from?

It's easy to see how a Flat Earth can expand, since it's accelerating upwards and things tend to flatten and expand outwards as they are accelerated, pulling away from its center of balance. For example, as a fighter pilot accelerates to Mach 3 his face is flattened and expanded outwards.

If, as Tom mentioned, the FE is expanding due to the UA, what keeps our atmosphere on top of the earth?  I would assume that air would expand quicker than a solid mass of rock?

 The atmocylinder goes through a cycle in which the outermost atmosphere gets pushed off the planet due to spreading faster than the Earth itself and is replaced by the elements that we run into as we go upward. I call it the Atmocylinder Renewing Cycle.

Quote from: Spec138 on June 18, 2008, 11:20:43 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 18, 2008, 09:17:55 PM

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Fossil evidence points directly to continental drift, so therefore the Earth is round.

No. Fossil evidence supports an expanding earth. Read the link.

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Hey Tom, you do realize that expanding earth theory is an RE theory, don't you?

How can an RE grow and expand into a bigger earth? Where does the matter come from?

It's easy to see how a Flat Earth can expand, since it's accelerating upwards and things tend to flatten and expand outwards as they are accelerated, pulling away from its center of balance. For example, as a fighter pilot accelerates to Mach 3 his face is flattened and expanded outwards.

If, as Tom mentioned, the FE is expanding due to the UA, what keeps our atmosphere on top of the earth?  I would assume that air would expand quicker than a solid mass of rock?

 The atmocylinder goes through a cycle in which the outermost atmosphere gets pushed off the planet due to spreading faster than the Earth itself and is replaced by the elements that we run into as we go upward. I call it the Atmocylinder Renewing Cycle.

So those elements are that abundant in space? I never thought that was the case myself.

Quote from: Dogplatter on June 19, 2008, 06:28:48 AM

Quote from: ghazwozza on June 19, 2008, 05:58:41 AM

So the ice wall is now 150km high, rather than 150ft?
Do u have any evidence for such an extraordinary wall?

40000 feet. And it's a different Ice Wall, if you actually studied FET carefully you'd realise that 150 feet refers to the Ross Ice Shelf.

It must be higher than 40,000 feet (~12km). The X-15 flew above 100km, the Blackbird flew above 25km, even Concorde flew above 18km.
Based on the X-15, the larger ice wall must be over 100km (328,000 feet) high.

How much distance is there between the smaller and larger ice-walls, roughly?

The X-15 was designed to leave the atmosphere (albeit, briefly), so the ice wall does not need to be that high.  Just high enough for sustained flight (SR-71, U-2 altitudes).

Quote from: the_flutist on June 19, 2008, 12:16:51 PM

Quote from: Spec138 on June 18, 2008, 11:20:43 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 18, 2008, 09:17:55 PM

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Fossil evidence points directly to continental drift, so therefore the Earth is round.

No. Fossil evidence supports an expanding earth. Read the link.

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Hey Tom, you do realize that expanding earth theory is an RE theory, don't you?

How can an RE grow and expand into a bigger earth? Where does the matter come from?

It's easy to see how a Flat Earth can expand, since it's accelerating upwards and things tend to flatten and expand outwards as they are accelerated, pulling away from its center of balance. For example, as a fighter pilot accelerates to Mach 3 his face is flattened and expanded outwards.

If, as Tom mentioned, the FE is expanding due to the UA, what keeps our atmosphere on top of the earth?  I would assume that air would expand quicker than a solid mass of rock?

 The atmocylinder goes through a cycle in which the outermost atmosphere gets pushed off the planet due to spreading faster than the Earth itself and is replaced by the elements that we run into as we go upward. I call it the Atmocylinder Renewing Cycle.

So those elements are that abundant in space? I never thought that was the case myself.

 The cycle goes very, very slowly though. We lose and gain maybe a few thousand atoms in our atmosphere per year at the most.

Quote from: ghazwozza on June 19, 2008, 05:58:41 AM

So the ice wall is now 150km high, rather than 150ft?
Do u have any evidence for such an extraordinary wall?

40000 feet. And it's a different Ice Wall, if you actually studied FET carefully you'd realise that 150 feet refers to the Ross Ice Shelf.

If it were that tall thered be no way to keep it a secret. you'd be able to see it HUNDREDS of miles away.

Fortunately for the conspiracy the ice wall is thousands of miles away from civilization.

Fortunately for the conspiracy the ice wall is thousands of miles away from civilization.

Hollow. all you did was prove that there would be no way to keep it a secret. ANYBODY could see it if they chose.

Fortunately for the conspiracy the ice wall is thousands of miles away from civilization.

Do boats also not exist in FE?

Quote from: Ski on June 19, 2008, 02:59:58 PM

Fortunately for the conspiracy the ice wall is thousands of miles away from civilization.

Do boats also not exist in FE?

No, neither does socks, tortillas or Ben & Jerrys.

Considering the continent of Antarctica as mapped by the RETheorists is four times as large as Australia at various points in the year, I can safely assume that people aren't going to notice the ice wall beyond the charted regions of rim-region. Also, the diffusion of light would make even a massive object indiscernible at that kind of distance. Your inability to grasp these things is staggering.

there is a limit to the height allowed before the ice wall would collapse under it's own weight.
i'd be suprised if a 25km high structure made of ice would be stable.

unless by ice wall you mean more like a 25km high pile of ice rubble acting as a wall

there is a limit to the height allowed before the ice wall would collapse under it's own weight.
i'd be suprised if a 25km high structure made of ice would be stable.

unless by ice wall you mean more like a 25km high pile of ice rubble acting as a wall

Dyno makes a great point.
And many here believe its 40k.

Quote from: dyno on June 19, 2008, 03:33:26 PM

there is a limit to the height allowed before the ice wall would collapse under it's own weight.
i'd be suprised if a 25km high structure made of ice would be stable.

unless by ice wall you mean more like a 25km high pile of ice rubble acting as a wall

Dyno makes a great point.
And many here believe its 40k.

In fact, it's got to be over 100km.

Quote from: ghazwozza on June 19, 2008, 09:33:46 AM

Quote from: Dogplatter on June 19, 2008, 06:28:48 AM

Quote from: ghazwozza on June 19, 2008, 05:58:41 AM

So the ice wall is now 150km high, rather than 150ft?
Do u have any evidence for such an extraordinary wall?

40000 feet. And it's a different Ice Wall, if you actually studied FET carefully you'd realise that 150 feet refers to the Ross Ice Shelf.

It must be higher than 40,000 feet (~12km). The X-15 flew above 100km, the Blackbird flew above 25km, even Concorde flew above 18km.
Based on the X-15, the larger ice wall must be over 100km (328,000 feet) high.

How much distance is there between the smaller and larger ice-walls, roughly?

The X-15 was designed to leave the atmosphere (albeit, briefly), so the ice wall does not need to be that high.  Just high enough for sustained flight (SR-71, U-2 altitudes).

It wasn't designed to leave the atmosphere. In RET, there is no end to the atmosphere -- it just fades out. Even at 400km there is still some air, so the designers wouldn't have designed it to "leave" the atmosphere. Besides, the X-15 couldn't fly if there was no air. It has wings.

Dyno makes a great point.
And many here believe its 40k.

In fact, it's got to be over 100km.
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By "40k" you mean 40000 feet, not 40 km. Be careful with units of measurement.

And no, no it hasn't "got to be over 100km".

Quote from: ghazwozza on June 20, 2008, 04:24:11 AM

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Dyno makes a great point.
And many here believe its 40k.

In fact, it's got to be over 100km.

By "40k" you mean 40000 feet, not 40 km. Be careful with units of measurement.

And no, no it hasn't "got to be over 100km".

Why not? The X-15 flew at over 100km (330,000ft). It certainly has to be over 40,000 feet (~12km). The SR-71 Blackbird flew at 24km (85,000 ft), the U2 at over 21km (70,000 ft) and Concorde regulary (and publicly) flew at 18.3km (60,000ft).

The great ice wall must be at least 8 times larger than you say it is.

Quote from: Dogplatter on June 20, 2008, 05:02:45 AM

Quote from: ghazwozza on June 20, 2008, 04:24:11 AM

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Dyno makes a great point.
And many here believe its 40k.

In fact, it's got to be over 100km.

By "40k" you mean 40000 feet, not 40 km. Be careful with units of measurement.

And no, no it hasn't "got to be over 100km".

Why not? The X-15 flew at over 100km (330,000ft). It certainly has to be over 40,000 feet (~12km). The SR-71 Blackbird flew at 24km (85,000 ft), the U2 at over 21km (70,000 ft) and Concorde regulary (and publicly) flew at 18.3km (60,000ft).

The great ice wall must be at least 8 times larger than you say it is.

But X-15 is partly developed by NASA, which are a part of this whole big conspiracy the FE'ers claim to exist.

Well even if the NASA conspiracy is correct, the Challenger space shuttle was at over 40,000 feet when it exploded, so it's obvious shuttles launch that high.  If FET is correct and shuttles just fly around the Earth then the "atmolayer" has to be much larger than 40,000 feet.

Well even if the NASA conspiracy is correct, the Challenger space shuttle was at over 40,000 feet when it exploded, so it's obvious shuttles launch that high.  If FET is correct and shuttles just fly around the Earth then the "atmolayer" has to be much larger than 40,000 feet.

I think the atmoplane exists higher than FL420.

The Challenger was over that height when it disintegrated, but it was not using thrust, not (predominately) lift to gain altitude. It has nothing to do with the atmoplane (unless you're including drag in your necessary thrust requirement).

I realized it was using thrust.  I was talking about how they fly around and land "Secretly".

I realized it was using thrust.  I was talking about how they fly around and land "Secretly".

I fly at FL450, every week.

And you don't use rocket engines?!?