The World Is Round?

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markjo

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Re: The World Is Round?
« Reply #60 on: June 06, 2014, 10:03:45 AM »
You people seem to like to go against anything that Einstein said.
So, are you now saying that mass does indeed warp space-time causing the effect that we commonly refer to as gravity?

If that was the case then I'd have little pebbles and pieces of trash orbiting around me everyday. However, this is not the case. Gravity is a farce.

Are you calling Einstein a liar?
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Re: The World Is Round?
« Reply #61 on: June 06, 2014, 10:06:48 AM »
If Einstein supported the theory of gravitation then hell yes I am calling him a god damned liar. You can't even see gravity, let alone touch or taste it. Einstein's only true achievement was the creation of the atomic bomb, which was eventually used to slaughter thousands in Japan. Some great thinker...  ::)

This obsession with pleasing Einstein's ghost has gone too far and it needs to stop now. Most, if not all, of Einstein's theories were incorrect.
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Re: The World Is Round?
« Reply #62 on: June 06, 2014, 10:08:12 AM »
This obsession with pleasing Einstein's ghost has gone too far and it needs to stop now. Most, if not all, of Einstein's theories were incorrect.
Does that include his equivalence principle?
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Re: The World Is Round?
« Reply #63 on: June 06, 2014, 10:12:04 AM »
This obsession with pleasing Einstein's ghost has gone too far and it needs to stop now. Most, if not all, of Einstein's theories were incorrect.
Does that include his equivalence principle?

The theory of gravitation is a farce, therefore the equivalence principle is a farce too. Don't try to trick me with your word games, markjo.
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Re: The World Is Round?
« Reply #64 on: June 06, 2014, 11:05:28 AM »
If Einstein supported the theory of gravitation then hell yes I am calling him a god damned liar. You can't even see gravity, let alone touch or taste it. Einstein's only true achievement was the creation of the atomic bomb, which was eventually used to slaughter thousands in Japan. Some great thinker...  ::)

This obsession with pleasing Einstein's ghost has gone too far and it needs to stop now. Most, if not all, of Einstein's theories were incorrect.

This is one of the most flawed fallacious and downright ignorant statements on this site today.
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Re: The World Is Round?
« Reply #65 on: June 06, 2014, 11:09:15 AM »
Einstein was a closet flat Earther.  He would have lost his credentials if he would have come out in the open. 

Re: The World Is Round?
« Reply #66 on: June 06, 2014, 11:11:19 AM »
You people seem to like to go against anything that Einstein said.
So, are you now saying that mass does indeed warp space-time causing the effect that we commonly refer to as gravity?

If that was the case then I'd have little pebbles and pieces of trash orbiting around me everyday. However, this is not the case. Gravity is a force.

Fixed that for you.

Please explain how gravity can exist yet small things don't orbit around me.

Sure no problem.

Your body doesn't have enough mass to overcome the gravity exerted by the earth on said objects.

Simple enough?

Look up accretion and learn a little more about gravity.


Fair enough. So you're saying that if I went into space with zeros Gs that trash would orbit around me? According to RE astronauts, none of them have observed anything floating around them during their space flights (not saying space trips happened, just that astronauts have not reported this to happen during their debriefings). How do you explain this discrepancy in your theory?

Maybe not orbiting around a person, but lets say a bowling ball, for example. You could have a grain of salt orbit if you moved the salt slow enough so as not to reach exit velocity, and allowed enough time for it to happen.

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« Reply #67 on: June 06, 2014, 11:14:50 AM »
Einstein was a closet flat Earther.  He would have lost his credentials if he would have come out in the open.

Evidence?

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Re: The World Is Round?
« Reply #68 on: June 06, 2014, 11:16:05 AM »
Einstein was a closet flat Earther.  He would have lost his credentials if he would have come out in the open.

Have you come out of the closet yet?
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« Reply #69 on: June 06, 2014, 11:19:54 AM »
Einstein was a closet flat Earther.  He would have lost his credentials if he would have come out in the open.

Evidence?

Most of his theories were flat Earth based. 

Einstein was a closet flat Earther.  He would have lost his credentials if he would have come out in the open.

Have you come out of the closet yet?

Yes.  When will you? 

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« Reply #70 on: June 06, 2014, 11:26:47 AM »
Einstein's theories were all false on purpose. He is a genius, but not for the reasons people seem to think. A lot of his thought experiments and theories supported a Flat Earth, but like jroa said... these theories were repressed, and instead the government made Einstein release papers that provided more credence to the Round Earth theory.

Maybe not orbiting around a person, but lets say a bowling ball, for example. You could have a grain of salt orbit if you moved the salt slow enough so as not to reach exit velocity, and allowed enough time for it to happen.

Do you have any evidence to back up this statement? An experiment perhaps?
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« Reply #71 on: June 06, 2014, 11:28:26 AM »
Einstein was a closet flat Earther.  He would have lost his credentials if he would have come out in the open.

Evidence?

Most of his theories were flat Earth based. 

Einstein was a closet flat Earther.  He would have lost his credentials if he would have come out in the open.

Have you come out of the closet yet?

Yes.  When will you?

Could you provide 3 examples so I can review the material further?

Re: The World Is Round?
« Reply #72 on: June 06, 2014, 11:34:42 AM »
Einstein's theories were all false on purpose. He is a genius, but not for the reasons people seem to think. A lot of his thought experiments and theories supported a Flat Earth, but like jroa said... these theories were repressed, and instead the government made Einstein release papers that provided more credence to the Round Earth theory.

Maybe not orbiting around a person, but lets say a bowling ball, for example. You could have a grain of salt orbit if you moved the salt slow enough so as not to reach exit velocity, and allowed enough time for it to happen.

Do you have any evidence to back up this statement? An experiment perhaps?


There's plenty of evidence. It's called math, learn to use it and it might open your eyes.

http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/astronomy/planet_orbit

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Re: The World Is Round?
« Reply #73 on: June 06, 2014, 12:07:54 PM »
It is deliciously ironic that you said this:

Einstein's theories were all false on purpose. He is a genius, but not for the reasons people seem to think. A lot of his thought experiments and theories supported a Flat Earth, but like jroa said... these theories were repressed, and instead the government made Einstein release papers that provided more credence to the Round Earth theory.

And then said this:

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Do you have any evidence to back up this statement? An experiment perhaps?

Maybe you should provide evidence for your claims first.
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Re: The World Is Round?
« Reply #74 on: June 06, 2014, 12:09:54 PM »
Rama, I had high hopes for you.  You have let me down once again. 

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Re: The World Is Round?
« Reply #75 on: June 06, 2014, 12:12:44 PM »
This obsession with pleasing Einstein's ghost has gone too far and it needs to stop now. Most, if not all, of Einstein's theories were incorrect.
Does that include his equivalence principle?

The theory of gravitation is a farce, therefore the equivalence principle is a farce too. Don't try to trick me with your word games, markjo.
If the equivalence principle is a farce, then so is Universal Acceleration, seeing as the EP is pretty much the sole justification for the UA.  I guess that leaves denpressure as the leading FE explanation for gravitation.
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Re: The World Is Round?
« Reply #76 on: June 06, 2014, 12:13:28 PM »
Rama, I had high hopes for you.  You have let me down once again.

You sound high, so I suppose this is appropriate.
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Re: The World Is Round?
« Reply #77 on: June 06, 2014, 12:14:41 PM »
This obsession with pleasing Einstein's ghost has gone too far and it needs to stop now. Most, if not all, of Einstein's theories were incorrect.
Does that include his equivalence principle?

The theory of gravitation is a farce, therefore the equivalence principle is a farce too. Don't try to trick me with your word games, markjo.
If the equivalence principle is a farce, then so is Universal Acceleration, seeing as the EP is pretty much the sole justification for the UA.  I guess that leaves denpressure as the leading FE explanation for gravitation.

Wrong. Aetheric winds are the force behind Universal Acceleration.
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« Reply #78 on: June 06, 2014, 12:16:51 PM »
Rama, I had high hopes for you.  You have let me down once again.

You sound high, so I suppose this is appropriate.

I am so disappoint.

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Re: The World Is Round?
« Reply #79 on: June 06, 2014, 12:18:43 PM »
Wrong. Aetheric winds are the force behind Universal Acceleration.

Citation Required.
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Re: The World Is Round?
« Reply #80 on: June 06, 2014, 12:21:20 PM »
Wrong. Aetheric winds are the force behind Universal Acceleration.
Irrelevant.  I said "justification for", not "force behind".
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Re: The World Is Round?
« Reply #81 on: June 06, 2014, 12:49:51 PM »
Aetheric winds are the justification for and the force behind Universal Acceleration.
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« Reply #82 on: June 06, 2014, 01:27:10 PM »
No.  The equivalence principle is the justification for the UA, because the EP states that gravity and acceleration are (locally) indistinguishable.  Without the EP, there is no way of conning noobs into thinking proving that the UA is responsible for the phenomenon commonly referred to as gravity.
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Re: The World Is Round?
« Reply #83 on: June 07, 2014, 09:12:03 AM »
Aetheric winds are the justification for and the force behind Universal Acceleration.

Before I accept you claim about UA being caused by the "force" applied by aetheric winds, I need you to explain exactly what constitutes these winds—electromagnetic energy, or some other sub-atomic particulate matter—and also their source of origin, plus whatever external influences cause them to travel, as they allegedly do, through the atmoplane.

The Flat Earth Society Wiki  doesn't have any references to aetheric or winds.

I also understood that the aetheric winds were present only in the atmoplane above the surface of the flat earth, and not underneath it (which would be necessary for UA to work as suggested).  Could you please clarify this.


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Re: The World Is Round?
« Reply #84 on: June 07, 2014, 11:04:41 AM »
Before I accept you claim about UA being caused by the "force" applied by aetheric winds, I need you to explain exactly what constitutes these winds—electromagnetic energy, or some other sub-atomic particulate matter—and also their source of origin, plus whatever external influences cause them to travel, as they allegedly do, through the atmoplane.

The Flat Earth Society Wiki  doesn't have any references to aetheric or winds.

I also understood that the aetheric winds were present only in the atmoplane above the surface of the flat earth, and not underneath it (which would be necessary for UA to work as suggested).  Could you please clarify this.

Most of what you know about aether seems to be incorrect. I don't know who you're getting your information from, but I suggest that you stop getting pointers from these people.

Aether is made of a mixture of Hydrogen and Helium. It formed before the Big Bang, when all matter and energy in the Universe was crushed together in the same particle with near infinite heat and pressure. It is of a state of matter unreachable by man. It, like gas, is very fluid, and is so spread out that not even London Dispersal Forces (van der Waals Forces) affect it. As such, it retains energy indefinitely. It is also what warms the Earth and causes the lava under the crust.

As aether rushes past the earth, it is attracted to the vacuum that it itself makes: creating the Aetheric Whirlpool. It falls back down towards the earth in a pattern similar to the whirlpool easily observable in one's sink. When it reaches the middle of the whirlpool, the aether continues on its way. The process in comparable to that of a siphon.

The shadow of the Aetheric Whirlpool is a hypothesized effect in which objects traveling along the earth are subtly pulled into a path taking them around the disk. It is not known exactly how it operates, but it may be related to gravity.

The Moon and Sun travel along the Aetheric Whirlpool. The Sun is relatively near a portion of the whirlpool comparable to an eyewall, which causes Sunset and Sunrise. It moves from side to side on this wall, which is the reason for the seasons. The stars are somewhere near the top of the whirlpool.

The sunrise/set and midnight sun are caused by a several eyewalls throughout the Whirlpool, which distort light to the point that it does not reach the earth.
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Re: The World Is Round?
« Reply #85 on: June 07, 2014, 11:58:08 AM »
Your whole dissertation there is a hypothesis which is almost certainly false. If Aether were made from helium and hydrogen (what does that even mean? It would just be a new element like say... Lithium!) it would be eminently detectable, which it isn't. No one has ever detected it. Not once.
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« Reply #86 on: June 10, 2014, 03:08:16 PM »
Aetheric winds are the justification for anything we don't have any other explanation for and the force behind Universal Acceleration.
I think this is what you meant
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Re: The World Is Round?
« Reply #87 on: June 10, 2014, 04:44:36 PM »
How can it be that if the aetheric winds are pushing the earth upwards consistently (at whatever rate) airplanes aren't constantly crashing?
What keeps them at a constant distance above the earth's surface?

The same sort of question applies to ascending helium-filled balloons.  What makes them accelerate at a greater rate than the earth?


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« Reply #88 on: June 10, 2014, 04:58:04 PM »
ausGeoff, the air is moving upwards and there is a thing called buoyancy.  If the air is moving upwards, then it is logical that something with less buoyancy would move upwards faster.  It is common sense.  I hope this helps. 

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« Reply #89 on: June 10, 2014, 05:01:05 PM »
ausGeoff, the air is moving upwards and there is a thing called buoyancy.  If the air is moving upwards, then it is logical that something with less buoyancy would move upwards faster.  It is common sense.  I hope this helps. 
Something with less buoyancy moves faster? Please explain
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