What do you mean by "Son Of God"

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What do you mean by "Son Of God"
« on: December 03, 2008, 02:32:39 PM »
Hi, I am created this topic not to mix all topics in one thread.

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A human son of god could have divine attributes.

Now I am asking all Christians and sane humans! what you really mean by Son of God

We humans knows it all what it means when we say This kid is my Son (The things comes in our mind, me and my wife had sex...etc) and the child comes. Now I ask what you really mean by Son of God :)
"And say, `All praise belongs to ALLAH; HE will soon show you HIS Signs, and you will know them.' And thy Lord is not unaware of what you do."

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Re: What do you mean by "Son Of God"
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2008, 02:38:55 PM »
Hi, I am created this topic not to mix all topics in one thread.

Our friend ﮎingulaЯiτy said

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A human son of god could have divine attributes.

Now I am asking all Christians and sane humans! what you really mean by Son of God :)

The belief that one was born of virgin origin, which according to christians can only be the cause of a God, therefor effectively making the individual the son of God.

Scientists call this "Parthenogenesis", and Cnemidophorus neomexicanus reproduces in this manner, and the process has been observed in numerous other species as well. Although not observed naturally in mammals since the process was "discovered", Jesus may in fact have been the only mammal to ever have been born because of the process and because of the level of civilization at that time, it may have been mistaken as a work of "god".
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Re: What do you mean by "Son Of God"
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2008, 02:45:42 PM »
The belief that one was born of virgin origin, which according to christians can only be the cause of a God, therefor effectively making the individual the son of God.

Scientists call this "Parthenogenesis", and Cnemidophorus neomexicanus reproduces in this manner, and the process has been observed in numerous other species as well. Although not observed naturally in mammals since the process was "discovered", Jesus may in fact have been the only mammal to ever have been born because of the process and because of the level of civilization at that time, it may have been mistaken as a work of "god".

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The offspring of parthenogenesis will be all female if two like chromosomes determine the female sex (such as the XY sex-determination system)
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Re: What do you mean by "Son Of God"
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2008, 02:47:29 PM »
The belief that one was born of virgin origin, which according to christians can only be the cause of a God, therefor effectively making the individual the son of God.

Scientists call this "Parthenogenesis", and Cnemidophorus neomexicanus reproduces in this manner, and the process has been observed in numerous other species as well. Although not observed naturally in mammals since the process was "discovered", Jesus may in fact have been the only mammal to ever have been born because of the process and because of the level of civilization at that time, it may have been mistaken as a work of "god".

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The offspring of parthenogenesis will be all female if two like chromosomes determine the female sex (such as the XY sex-determination system)

I said may.

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Re: What do you mean by "Son Of God"
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2008, 03:28:54 PM »
I would like someone to define:

Almighty God
Human
Son

and you would realize there is no meaning of "Son of God"
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"And say, `All praise belongs to ALLAH; HE will soon show you HIS Signs, and you will know them.' And thy Lord is not unaware of what you do."

"Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators? "
(Translations of Allah's Words)

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Re: What do you mean by "Son Of God"
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2008, 05:22:15 PM »
Almighty God
Omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent being.
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Human
Animals. Homo sapiens. Intelligent primates.
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Son
Male offspring originating from both of his parents. Parents being any beings passing on some of their traits to the son.
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and you would realize there is no meaning of "Son of God"
A son doesn't have all the traits of one of the beings creating him. The son of god need not be omniscient.

That said, I'm going to stop arguing on behalf of Christians.
If I was asked to imagine a perfect deity, I would never invent one that suffers from a multiple personality disorder. Christians get points for originality there.

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Re: What do you mean by "Son Of God"
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2008, 05:44:12 PM »
Thanks alot Singularity for the definition, I highly appreciate it.

We know that Almighty God is sufficient, immortal, his powers are unlimited, his wisdom and knowledge is unlimited, while the human is not, he is mortal, he needs to breath, eat, drink to live, his abilities are limited (Vision, knowledge...etc)

Why God would need a son? if God as the Christians claimed having a son, then who is the wife of the God because by definition the word son means what our friend Singularity described so from where did come the idea of the son of God? we see how different is a God and a Son is!

For example, suppose now I brought a dog with me, and I said oh guys, he is my son? wouldn't you say hey AbdulAziz how can he be he is your son when he is so different. I would say c'mon guys, he sit on the same table when I eat! does saying that would make that dog really my son? by no means no sane human would say that because it's two different things.

However in fact, I and the Dog are more similar than I and God.

I am not sufficient, I need to eat, drink and breath to live same goes for the dog. I am mortal, my vision limited, my powers are limited, my hearing is limited, even with special powers am having am limited in many things same things goes for the dog. You see I am more similar to a dog than a God! then seriously how can a man be like God! or his son? in fact the dog being my son is more acceptable than a man being a son of god.

Now imagine, I am limited and I am being so weak still it's natural I would be angry if someone called me you dog, or son of dog or your having a dog son then honestly how we were able to claim that God having a son when he is the originators of heavens and earth. Wallah, Wallah and Wallah we are insulting the Almighty God when we say that he is having a son more than a human get insulted when we say he is having a dog son or he is son of dog.

We are but insects compared to this earth, the earth is like an insect in our galaxy that consists more than millions of stars, our galaxy is considered an insect in this vast universe and we all who believe in Almighty God believe that he created all this and then we say he is having son! Oh Christians be honest, isn't that insulting!

If you guys can't accept someone insulting you how you can accept insult your own Almighty God such ugly insults?  :)

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Maybe that's why Allah said in the Quran




"They said, "The Most Gracious has begotten a son"! You have uttered a gross blasphemy.   The heavens are about to shatter,    the earth is about to tear asunder, and the mountains are about to crumble. Because they claim that the Most Gracious has begotten a son. It is not befitting the Most Gracious that He should beget a son.Every single one in the heavens and the earth is a servant of the Most Gracious..
"And say, `All praise belongs to ALLAH; HE will soon show you HIS Signs, and you will know them.' And thy Lord is not unaware of what you do."

"Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators? "
(Translations of Allah's Words)

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Re: What do you mean by "Son Of God"
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2008, 08:31:28 PM »
You seem to forget that religion asserts god's values. If the religion says that god decided to have a son, why would people question god's decision? I'm surprised you don't identify with the same circularity I've seen in your own arguments.  :P

The wife of god is inaccurate. Parents refer to who passed on traits.

Christ allegedly has more traits from his mother than god, and there is no alleged complication because god allegedly planned it. Having flesh and blood is unlike god, just like healing the sick and blind is unlike humans.

A side note.. the definitions are open to revision. I don't really plan on spending much time with this.
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Re: What do you mean by "Son Of God"
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2008, 10:58:59 PM »
I would like someone to define:

Almighty God
Human
Son

and you would realize there is no meaning of "Son of God"
because he is the first and only Son of God. So duh you wouldn't find any other references to the Title.
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Re: What do you mean by "Son Of God"
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2008, 04:19:00 AM »
You seem to forget that religion asserts god's values. If the religion says that god decided to have a son, why would people question god's decision? I'm surprised you don't identify with the same circularity I've seen in your own arguments.  :P

The wife of god is inaccurate. Parents refer to who passed on traits.

Christ allegedly has more traits from his mother than god, and there is no alleged complication because god allegedly planned it. Having flesh and blood is unlike god, just like healing the sick and blind is unlike humans.

A side note.. the definitions are open to revision. I don't really plan on spending much time with this.

You really don't need any further understanding and reasoning? We all believe that Almighty God is all-wise and all, why he want people to believe the impossible and worship him? if he was all-wise he would ask for something that is possible and common sense and doesn't conflict with the Human's natural mind. I am not talking about Philosopher, I am not talking insane, I am talking about a religion that is meant to be for whole mankind. That believe of God having the son, with it's meaning, definitions and all is by no means is logical, common-sense or reasoning and that's why I said in my previous posts we humans if we were punished for not believing because the natural mind that was given to us by Almighty God is not supposed to believe the Impossible but the possible.

You don't have to ask a Muslim like me to explain this but even ask the Christians Scholars themselves, have they decided yet wither Jesus is Son of God or a God...etc ask any Christians, Jews, any sane human being can he believe that a a dog is actually a son of man? Wallah you don't need to discuss this any further if your not putting any restrictions on your natural mind...

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because he is the first and only Son of God. So duh you wouldn't find any other references to the Title.

Ok would you believe that Tommy (A Dog's name) is my only son, he is my son so you should believe! DAMN!!! King Man I am saying he is my son you should believe!!! Grrrrrr I am telling you he is my son why your not believing! No matter how much you try to hide and seek the answer is simple you would be never believe it, even though I already proved that Dog is like Humans more than a Human is like a God.
"And say, `All praise belongs to ALLAH; HE will soon show you HIS Signs, and you will know them.' And thy Lord is not unaware of what you do."

"Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators? "
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Re: What do you mean by "Son Of God"
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2008, 04:25:56 AM »
Christians will respond, "God is capable of having a human son because he is omnipotent. Humans are not capable of having a dog, because the are impotent."
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Re: What do you mean by "Son Of God"
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2008, 04:32:05 AM »
Christians will respond, "God is capable of having a human son because he is omnipotent. Humans are not capable of having a dog, because the are impotent."

The moment they say just ask them define Almighty God again by definition not by what your mind or religion says.
"And say, `All praise belongs to ALLAH; HE will soon show you HIS Signs, and you will know them.' And thy Lord is not unaware of what you do."

"Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators? "
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Re: What do you mean by "Son Of God"
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2008, 04:34:09 AM »
Christians will respond, "God is capable of having a human son because he is omnipotent. Humans are not capable of having a dog, because the are impotent."

The moment they say just ask them define Almighty God again by definition not by what your mind or religion says.

God would still exist with the same definition after having a son, assuming he existed from the start.
If I was asked to imagine a perfect deity, I would never invent one that suffers from a multiple personality disorder. Christians get points for originality there.

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Re: What do you mean by "Son Of God"
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2008, 04:36:16 AM »
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God would still exist with the same definition after having a son, assuming he existed from the start.

Yes but by no means he can exists with the same attributes  :)
"And say, `All praise belongs to ALLAH; HE will soon show you HIS Signs, and you will know them.' And thy Lord is not unaware of what you do."

"Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators? "
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Re: What do you mean by "Son Of God"
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2008, 04:42:25 AM »
Yes but by no means he can exists with the same attributes  :)
For Jesus correct.
For god, not necessarily. The original god can still have the same attributes as before.
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Re: What do you mean by "Son Of God"
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2008, 10:21:45 AM »
You really have to have an understanding of the verbage of that time period to know that it was more of an expression to show diety then it was him actually being a true "son"" in today's language.

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Is Jesus the Son of God? In the Bible, Jesus is often called the Son of God, which means that He is God made manifest in human form (John 1:1, 14). Jesus is the Son of God because He was conceived by the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:35), who is God. In Jesus' time, the phrase son of man was used to signify a human being. In relation to that, Jesus being the Son of God, means that Jesus is God.



Jesus actually claimed to be God. He could not claim to be God and be a true "son" at the same time.