If the Earth is flat...

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If the Earth is flat...
« on: October 27, 2008, 12:49:22 PM »
Attention, this thread was in the Debate forum, therefore, consider it to still be a debate thread. I suspect it was moved here to either move it to a lower traffic forum or to irritate me.

Nice try.


But first, I see that after I proved I was not "Wendy", my thread got canned. Interesting. But I digress...

To the Flat Earthers and Flat Earthers only:

Why do I see a distinct curve to an oceans horizon when I'm at even a modest altitude in an aircraft?

Why doesn't the sun and moons sizes change due to perspective as they get farther or closer?

Why does a ship disappear below the horizon as it's distance increases?

If satellite TV were received from huge towers, where are they? How tall would they have to be if my SATV dish is aimed about 56 degrees above the South South East? Let me answer that, I live in Lancaster Ca, that means it would have to be in the direction of Fontana. If it were ten miles away it would be in Four Points and about 12 miles high. I... don't... see any huge towers of any size to the South South East.

Why aren't the SATV dishes in other locations aimed in all different directions at their respective “towers” instead of at the satellites along the Celestial Equator?

Does any Flat Earthers use the DirecTV or Dish Network services? If so, what is the location of the tower you use and its height.

I also happen to be an Amateur Radio operator. How come if I aim my directional antenna array using the “Flat earth Route” I can't make contact with a target station in Europe, but if I use the Great Circle route I can?

If there's a conspiracy:

To what end? Money does not count, it would cost more money to perpetuate a hoax of this magnitude than would be made from it.

How would the secret be kept? With this many people involved, wouldn't somebody at least “slip”, say after a drink or two at a party?

How would almost 80,000 miles of Ice Wall be guarded? The exact tactics were not covered in the FAQ.

Citing my mention of antenna headings above, does this mean that I and every other Amateur Radio operator and CBer with a directional antenna array is in on the conspiracy?

As you can see, this evidence is not ramblings about:

Scientific theory that is difficult to understand by most.

Photos from space that can be retouched or faked.

The word of people who've been in space that could be lies.

Declarations from a government entity that could have ulterior motives.

These are things I've seen, haven't seen, did or currently do. Please, with a straight face explain my observations. If you can't, I must conclude that the soul purpose of this forum is to simply “stir up some shit”.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2008, 06:33:21 PM by PalomarJack »
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Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2008, 02:00:46 PM »
I use Dish. It is impossible to know the height because I do not know where the towers are and the government doesn't disclose this.

Horizon is explained by bendy light/translucency and refraction/diffusion.

Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2008, 02:22:47 PM »
I use Dish. It is impossible to know the height because I do not know where the towers are and the government doesn't disclose this.

Horizon is explained by bendy light/translucency and refraction/diffusion.

Go out, look in the direction the dish is pointed, any tower? If you lived on the 45th parallel and the tower were ten miles away it would be ten miles high, would it not?

The Government doesn't own your dish. They may own the transponder and the satellite and only lease it to the SATV companies, I can't say for sure

Bendy Light, pray tell, describe the physics governing Bendy Light. I can describe the ones that govern "Normal Light", even in the environments of diffusion, reflection and refraction, and none would account for how light would behave as prescribed by a Flat Earth theory regarding a horizon.

You've got a lot more points I made to cover, let's go. Remember, My points were made with my direct observations only. Not the hearsay of other people, Flat Earthers or otherwize.
« Last Edit: October 27, 2008, 04:41:50 PM by PalomarJack »
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Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2008, 04:14:18 PM »
Quote from: Johannes Kepler, signature/tagline
I have met many a man. However I have never met a man who can prove the earth is round.

Au contraire, but you have, for his name is Palomar Jack.
It is you who have not proved it flat.

« Last Edit: October 27, 2008, 04:20:48 PM by PalomarJack »
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Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2008, 07:52:14 PM »
There are many threads about bendy light/horizon. Why don't you search a bit.

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Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2008, 08:01:00 PM »
But first, I see that after I proved I was not "Wendy", my thread got canned. Interesting. But I digress...

To the Flat Earthers and Flat Earthers only:

Why do I see a distinct curve to an oceans horizon when I'm at even a modest altitude in an aircraft?

Why doesn't the sun and moons sizes change due to perspective as they get farther or closer?

Why does a ship disappear below the horizon as it's distance increases?

If satellite TV were received from huge towers, where are they? How tall would they have to be if my SATV dish is aimed about 56 degrees above the South South East? Let me answer that, I live in Lancaster Ca, that means it would have to be in the direction of Fontana. If it were ten miles away it would be in Four Points and about 12 miles high. I... don't... see any huge towers of any size to the South South East.

Why aren't the SATV dishes in other locations aimed in all different directions at their respective “towers” instead of at the satellites along the Celestial Equator?

Does any Flat Earthers use the DirecTV or Dish Network services? If so, what is the location of the tower you use and its height.

I also happen to be an Amateur Radio operator. How come if I aim my directional antenna array using the “Flat earth Route” I can't make contact with a target station in Europe, but if I use the Great Circle route I can?

If there's a conspiracy:

To what end? Money does not count, it would cost more money to perpetuate a hoax of this magnitude than would be made from it.

How would the secret be kept? With this many people involved, wouldn't somebody at least “slip”, say after a drink or two at a party?

How would almost 80,000 miles of Ice Wall be guarded? The exact tactics were not covered in the FAQ.

Citing my mention of antenna headings above, does this mean that I and every other Amateur Radio operator and CBer with a directional antenna array is in on the conspiracy?

1. The curve is an illusion due to perspective and bendy light
2. Why would the sun and moon change sizes??
3. Ships disappear due to bendy light/perspective
4. The height depends on how far they would need to be from the receiver. We have no way of knowing this so why ask stupid questions?
5. Aiming in different locations doesn't happen becausee because north is hubwards, south is rimwards, east is turnwise, and west is widdershins.
6. I make radio contact with Europe all the time with my short wave radio. It is clearly possible. The maps are rigged as I have previously explained.

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Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2008, 08:03:27 PM »

To what end? Money does not count, it would cost more money to perpetuate a hoax of this magnitude than would be made from it.

How would the secret be kept? With this many people involved, wouldn't somebody at least “slip”, say after a drink or two at a party?

How would almost 80,000 miles of Ice Wall be guarded? The exact tactics were not covered in the FAQ.

Citing my mention of antenna headings above, does this mean that I and every other Amateur Radio operator and CBer with a directional antenna array is in on the conspiracy?
1. Money is the motivator. Stop making assumptions
2. Bribary and only the top COs need to be in on the conspiracy
3. There is a dispute in the FE community whether the earth is an infinitely expanding plane or if the government guards the ice wall will helicopters. 

Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2008, 09:53:35 PM »

1. The curve is an illusion due to perspective and bendy light
2. Why would the sun and moon change sizes??
3. Ships disappear due to bendy light/perspective
4. The height depends on how far they would need to be from the receiver. We have no way of knowing this so why ask stupid questions?
5. Aiming in different locations doesn't happen becausee because north is hubwards, south is rimwards, east is turnwise, and west is widdershins.
6. I make radio contact with Europe all the time with my short wave radio. It is clearly possible. The maps are rigged as I have previously explained.

1. Money is the motivator. Stop making assumptions
2. Bribary and only the top COs need to be in on the conspiracy
3. There is a dispute in the FE community whether the earth is an infinitely expanding plane or if the government guards the ice wall will helicopters.
 

You couldn't do this in one post? Okay, you asked for it.

1. What is Bendy Light and how does it differ from normal light? Looking out the window of the aircraft and seeing a curved horizon is much more easily grasped through a round Earth than Bendy Light and it doesn't require a conspiracy to explain it.

2. Easy, if say I'm here in Lancaster and the Sun has an apparent diameter if ½ degree at noon, wouldn't it “appear” to change size due to perspective as it got farther away as it circled the center of the disk you say the Earth is composed of?

3. Same as item 1.

4. I just told you how high and where the tower would have to be. If you live at 45 Degrees north and the tower were 10 miles away it would have to be 10 miles high for your dish to pick up the signal. Don't you think that you could go outside and see a structure that big? Even if it were only1 mile away, the friggin' tower would still have to be 1 mile high. What's next, “Bendy Radio Waves” to explain how that signal gets from a tower that's say 200 feet high to a dish aimed 45 degrees up?

5. What does item 5 have to do with anything and just what the hell what is a widdershin?

6. First, you sir, are no Amateur Radio operator. You would never pass the exams. Second, it has nothing to do with a map. You can go outside and note where Polaris is and where the antenna is aimed in relation. Are you now going to tell me Polaris is rigged, too? You do know what  Polaris is, don't you?

1. So, if money is the motivator why would it make sense to spend more to fashion a hoax than you'd get? How is perpetuating a world wide hoax supposed to get one money? Just the thousands, maybe millions of invisible radio towers using Bendy Radio Waves would be beyond the financial capabilities of even the United States. It's not a matter of assumptions, it just doesn't make sense.

2. Wrong, how many people are employed by NASA, the federal government, other governments and corporations hired through government contracts? Don't you think at some time, somewhere, somebody would have “spilled the beans”, as it were? It's happened before. Why not for this?

3. So, now the world is an ever expanding plane. So, as it expands Lancaster will get even farther from the Sun, right? So, how far will it get before a permanent winter sets in? And, how big will it appear to be due to perspective? And, how many helicopters do you think it would take to patrol an 80,000 mile ice wall?

Sorry, I can't make it simpler. Use your friggin' brain. If you still can't grasp it, you're either very stupid or you just want to stir up shit. I'm betting it's the latter, right?
« Last Edit: October 27, 2008, 10:59:07 PM by PalomarJack »
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Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2008, 12:54:16 AM »
Why do I see a distinct curve to an oceans horizon when I'm at even a modest altitude in an aircraft?

The horizon has to curve to form a circle around you. If it wasn't curved, the Earth would appear rectangular.

Why doesn't the sun and moons sizes change due to perspective as they get farther or closer?

Due to bendy light, you are not seeing a perfect image of the Sun. Rather, the light bends around to make it appear larger, circular and lower in the sky than would be expected.

Why does a ship disappear below the horizon as it's distance increases?

Search for Electromagnetic Accelerator. This has been covered many times before.

If satellite TV were received from huge towers, where are they? How tall would they have to be if my SATV dish is aimed about 56 degrees above the South South East? Let me answer that, I live in Lancaster Ca, that means it would have to be in the direction of Fontana. If it were ten miles away it would be in Four Points and about 12 miles high. I... don't... see any huge towers of any size to the South South East.

If it were twelve miles high, it would have to be more than ten miles away. Also, they are stratellites, not towers.

Why aren't the SATV dishes in other locations aimed in all different directions at their respective “towers” instead of at the satellites along the Celestial Equator?

Again, stratellites. They can be high enough to emulate the positioning of geostationary satellites orbiting a round Earth.

I also happen to be an Amateur Radio operator. How come if I aim my directional antenna array using the “Flat earth Route” I can't make contact with a target station in Europe, but if I use the Great Circle route I can?

Have you personally confirmed this?

To what end? Money does not count, it would cost more money to perpetuate a hoax of this magnitude than would be made from it.

Wrong. Search.

How would the secret be kept? With this many people involved, wouldn't somebody at least “slip”, say after a drink or two at a party?

Not very many people would need to be involved. Search.

How would almost 80,000 miles of Ice Wall be guarded? The exact tactics were not covered in the FAQ.

How do you expect us to know the exact tactics? It wouldn't be a very good conspiracy if we knew their every move.

Citing my mention of antenna headings above, does this mean that I and every other Amateur Radio operator and CBer with a directional antenna array is in on the conspiracy?

No.


Don't think that you're the first person ever to ask these questions, either. People come here all the time thinking they can single-handedly disprove FET, you're just the most recent.
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Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2008, 04:43:07 AM »
Good morning, it'll be sunrise soon. Rise and shine.

First things first. Don't sit there and tell me to search for your answers. If you don't know them, don't debate me and admit you've lost before it even starts. You are the self proclaimed expert, you give the answers. If we were to meet at a live debate I would expect you to have the answers to my questions just as you should expect the same of me. I don't require an original essay, cut and paste is fine with me. That said, I shall begin.

Why do I see a distinct curve to an oceans horizon when I'm at even a modest altitude in an aircraft?

The horizon has to curve to form a circle around you. If it wasn't curved, the Earth would appear rectangular.

Wrong, get your geometry right. If the Earth were flat, it would appear flat at any altitude. But, because it's round, the curve appears to increase at higher altitudes. I've seen it, don't tell me I haven't

Why doesn't the sun and moons sizes change due to perspective as they get farther or closer?

Due to bendy light, you are not seeing a perfect image of the Sun. Rather, the light bends around to make it appear larger, circular and lower in the sky than would be expected.

This sounds more like a band aid to make something fit. Saying that it's a second form of light that makes the Sun look farther or closer than it is is akin to the Ancient Greeks using epicycles to explain retrograde motion of the planets. What is Bendy Light? No one can answer. All I get is “search”. I'm not here to search, I'm here to debate. You tell me the physics of this Bendy Light, I can tell you the physics of normal light, afford me the same courtesy.

Why does a ship disappear below the horizon as it's distance increases?

Search for Electromagnetic Accelerator. This has been covered many times before.
I know what an electromagnetic accelerator is, it's closely related to a rail gun. What does this have to do with a ship going over the horizon?  Again, you're the expert, you tell me how they're related.

If satellite TV were received from huge towers, where are they? How tall would they have to be if my SATV dish is aimed about 56 degrees above the South South East? Let me answer that, I live in Lancaster Ca, that means it would have to be in the direction of Fontana. If it were ten miles away it would be in Four Points and about 12 miles high. I... don't... see any huge towers of any size to the South South East.

If it were twelve miles high, it would have to be more than ten miles away. Also, they are stratellites, not towers.
Don't split hairs, you know as well as I do it was only an example. I was told by the other participant that large towers of undisclosed locations were the source of SATV signals. Now you tell me it's  “stratellites”. Okay, stratellites is it? How far up are these stratellites where are they located? How come a Dish Network antenna in Phoenix Az is aimed in almost exactly the same point on the celestial equator as one here in Lancaster? What are those specks of light I see in the sky with my astronomical telescope at the locations the geosynchronous satellites should be in?

Why aren't the SATV dishes in other locations aimed in all different directions at their respective “towers” instead of at the satellites along the Celestial Equator?

Again, stratellites. They can be high enough to emulate the positioning of geostationary satellites orbiting a round Earth.
So, you are saying they're 22,000 miles out? You can't have it both ways, are they satellites or stratellites. You cannot emulate 22,000 miles, it either is or is not. Not only that, how do they keep those stratellites in place? It seems to me that would require a rather large expenditure of fuel.

I also happen to be an Amateur Radio operator. How come if I aim my directional antenna array using the “Flat earth Route” I can't make contact with a target station in Europe, but if I use the Great Circle route I can?

Have you personally confirmed this?
Oh, let me see, Flat Earth route, no contact, Great Circle route, contact. WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK!


To what end? Money does not count, it would cost more money to perpetuate a hoax of this magnitude than would be made from it.

Wrong. Search.
I told you, don't pass your responsibility to participate in a debate to somebody else. At the very least cut and paste your information. Face it, to run a hoax of this magnitude would take epic amounts of resources and money.

How would the secret be kept? With this many people involved, wouldn't somebody at least “slip”, say after a drink or two at a party?

Not very many people would need to be involved. Search.
No, you search and provide the proof, you would have to in person, do it here. Not very many people, huh? Like who? The entire workforce at NASA? The entire federal government? The government contractors? The governments of Russia, China, France, Spain, Germany and on and on? Don't you think somebody would've spilled their guts somewhere?

How would almost 80,000 miles of Ice Wall be guarded? The exact tactics were not covered in the FAQ.

How do you expect us to know the exact tactics? It wouldn't be a very good conspiracy if we knew their every move.
How the hell would I know? You're the expert, you tell me how they'd pull it off. The only conclusion I can come to is, you're wrong. You want to know how to make it work? Easy, remove the conspiracy theory and say the Earth is a sphere. Problem solved.

Citing my mention of antenna headings above, does this mean that I and every other Amateur Radio operator and CBer with a directional antenna array is in on the conspiracy?

No.
Well, I can say you got one item correct. Of course, it didn't involve pseudoscience and conspiracies, but, the thread is young. Even this could change.

Don't think that you're the first person ever to ask these questions, either. People come here all the time thinking they can single-handedly disprove FET, you're just the most recent.
Parish the thought, I would never execute such a transgression. The difference between their scientific proof and mine is direct, visual evidence that anyone can see for themselves, without searching some forum for the answers. The fact is, a spherical Earth eliminates:

A second form of ambiguous light that defies physics, Bendy Light
A splotlight for the Sun
A disk for a moon
Ice walls with their hordes of black helicopters
Stratellites and huge fuel expenditures (No one agrees on this)
Thousands, maybe millions of extremely tall hard to hide radio towers (No one agrees on this, either)
Bloated, unexplainable conspiracies involving a cast of millions.

It explains and gives us:

The reason I need to use a Great Circle route to make many contacts on the air
The curvature of the horizon as seen from altitude
A rising Sun without ambiguous explanations
A setting Sun without ambiguous explanations
The faces and eclipses of the moon without ambiguous explanations
A Solar eclipse and sunspots without, you guessed it, ambiguous explanations
A simple and fascinating explanation as to what the Sun and stars are and how they work
A simple and fascinating explanation as to what the Moon and planets are
A really cool place to hang geosynchronous satellites
An equally cool place to orbit GPS satellites
A bitchin' geomagnetic field so if my GPS fails I can use a compass
It also protects us from the nastiest forms of radiation from space
Retrograde motion of the other planets
An ionosphere so I can talk to people all over the world using HF radio instead of a boring cell phone
Beautiful stars, planets, galaxies and nebula to look at in my telescope
A wonderful view of the ISS when it passes over my town in my aforementioned telescope
And the best part, no conspiracies

Tell me, can your flat Earth do all that cool stuff? No, but my spherical one can. And it does it all, no fuss, no muss and no ambiguity with, like I said, “Simple Elegance”.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2008, 05:06:04 AM by PalomarJack »
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Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2008, 08:02:23 AM »
Good morning, it'll be sunrise soon. Rise and shine.

First things first. Don't sit there and tell me to search for your answers. If you don't know them, don't debate me and admit you've lost before it even starts. You are the self proclaimed expert, you give the answers. If we were to meet at a live debate I would expect you to have the answers to my questions just as you should expect the same of me. I don't require an original essay, cut and paste is fine with me. That said, I shall begin.

This isn't a debate. You are asking for clarification.
I've never personally experienced Disney World, either. Most of what we know about anything depends on taking somebody else's word for it.

Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2008, 04:09:33 PM »
Good morning, it'll be sunrise soon. Rise and shine.

First things first. Don't sit there and tell me to search for your answers. If you don't know them, don't debate me and admit you've lost before it even starts. You are the self proclaimed expert, you give the answers. If we were to meet at a live debate I would expect you to have the answers to my questions just as you should expect the same of me. I don't require an original essay, cut and paste is fine with me. That said, I shall begin.

This isn't a debate. You are asking for clarification.


Excuse me? Just where in that entire quote do I ask or even imply a request for clarification? Here is the core of my statement, "If we were to meet at a live debate I would expect you to have the answers to my questions just as you should expect the same of me". Is there even a hint of a word that even remotely sounds like or defines "clarification"?

Let me make this abundantly clear for you seeing as how you need "clarification". I'm stating the rules of debate, I'm telling my opponent that, like I did, he should bring his proof to contradict mine. Not tell me to go and search for his proof like I was some adolescent in grade school learning the basics of research. That's condescending, pretentious and most annoying to a debate opponent. And yes, I did imply disrespectful, too.
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Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2008, 04:11:54 PM »
Excuse me? Just where in that entire quote do I ask or even imply a request for clarification? Here is the core of my statement, "If we were to meet at a live debate I would expect you to have the answers to my questions just as you should expect the same of me". Is there even a hint of a word that even remotely sounds or defines "clarification"?

Let me make this abundantly clear for you seeing as how you need "clarification". I'm stating the rules of debate, I'm telling my opponent that, like I did, he should bring his proof to contradict mine. Not tell me to go and search for his proof like I was some adolescent in grade school learning the basics of research. That's condescending, pretentious and most annoying to a debate opponent. And yes, I did imply disrespectful, too.

We tell you to search because people ask the same questions over and over again and it gets dull typing the same response; even copypasting it. Again, don't think you're the first person to think they know it all and can disprove Flat Earth Theory. You brought no proof, you just made a bunch of unsubstantiated claims, most of which have been responded to many times before.
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Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2008, 04:37:02 PM »
Excuse me? Just where in that entire quote do I ask or even imply a request for clarification? Here is the core of my statement, "If we were to meet at a live debate I would expect you to have the answers to my questions just as you should expect the same of me". Is there even a hint of a word that even remotely sounds or defines "clarification"?

Let me make this abundantly clear for you seeing as how you need "clarification". I'm stating the rules of debate, I'm telling my opponent that, like I did, he should bring his proof to contradict mine. Not tell me to go and search for his proof like I was some adolescent in grade school learning the basics of research. That's condescending, pretentious and most annoying to a debate opponent. And yes, I did imply disrespectful, too.

We tell you to search because people ask the same questions over and over again and it gets dull typing the same response; even copypasting it. Again, don't think you're the first person to think they know it all and can disprove Flat Earth Theory. You brought no proof, you just made a bunch of unsubstantiated claims, most of which have been responded to many times before.

First, this post wasn't meant for you, but, seeing as how you're here...

Again, don't think you're the first person that I attempted a debate with. I brought my proof, you bring yours. If you're so convinced,you should have your proof documented in boiler plate templates. It would take, what, a whopping 5 minutes to copy-paste them in. That's a vastly better use of your time than telling me to do YOUR research for you.
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Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2008, 04:39:31 PM »
First, this post wasn't meant for you, but, seeing as how you're here...

Again, don't think you're the first person that I attempted a debate with. I brought my proof, you bring yours. If you're so convinced,you should have your proof documented in boiler plate templates. It would take, what, a whopping 5 minutes to copy-paste them in. That's a vastly better use of your time than telling me to do YOUR research for you.

Dude, just lurk. Or bring up one point at a time for consideration. Don't come in here and expect us to lay out the entire FET as it currently stands for you. Particularly since each FEer has his or her own particular view of things, so there really isn't just a single Flat Earth Theory to explain.
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Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2008, 06:26:02 PM »
First, this post wasn't meant for you, but, seeing as how you're here...

Again, don't think you're the first person that I attempted a debate with. I brought my proof, you bring yours. If you're so convinced,you should have your proof documented in boiler plate templates. It would take, what, a whopping 5 minutes to copy-paste them in. That's a vastly better use of your time than telling me to do YOUR research for you.

...Don't come in here and expect us to lay out the entire FET as it currently stands for you. Particularly since each FEer has his or her own particular view of things, so there really isn't just a single Flat Earth Theory to explain.

"Dude", from what I've seen it would take what, all of a page? Sorry, I was wrong, I can can do it thusly:

1. A second form of light that defies physics, Bendy Light
2. No explanation, ambiguous or otherwise to explain why I need a Great Circle heading to work Europe on Amateur Radio
3. An ambiguous explanation for how a ship only "appears" to go over the horizon
4. An ambiguous explanation for a curved horizon as seen from an aircraft
5. A spotlight for the Sun with ambiguous explanations for eclipses and sunspots
6. A disk for a moon with ambiguous explanations for eclipses and faces
7. Ice walls with their hordes of black helicopters
8. Stratellites and huge fuel expenditures (No one agrees on this)
9. Thousands, maybe millions of extremely tall hard to hide radio towers (No one agrees on this, either)
10. Hundreds of holographic laser projectors around the world to make people think that hundreds of space vehicles are real
11. Bloated, unexplainable conspiracies involving a cast of millions.

Did I miss anything? Nope, that pretty much covers Flat Earth theory.
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Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2008, 06:38:56 AM »
Quote

Again, stratellites. They can be high enough to emulate the positioning of geostationary satellites orbiting a round Earth.

Ok, what is stratellites? How do they stay in place?

Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2008, 07:05:02 AM »
What they are saying jack is everything happens because of an optical illusion. Instead of actually believing what your eyes tell you, the bendy light wins everytime. When did people loose faith in their eyesight!

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Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2008, 07:15:09 AM »
First, this post wasn't meant for you, but, seeing as how you're here...

Again, don't think you're the first person that I attempted a debate with. I brought my proof, you bring yours. If you're so convinced,you should have your proof documented in boiler plate templates. It would take, what, a whopping 5 minutes to copy-paste them in. That's a vastly better use of your time than telling me to do YOUR research for you.

...Don't come in here and expect us to lay out the entire FET as it currently stands for you. Particularly since each FEer has his or her own particular view of things, so there really isn't just a single Flat Earth Theory to explain.

"Dude", from what I've seen it would take what, all of a page? Sorry, I was wrong, I can can do it thusly:

1. A second form of light that defies physics, Bendy Light
2. No explanation, ambiguous or otherwise to explain why I need a Great Circle heading to work Europe on Amateur Radio
3. An ambiguous explanation for how a ship only "appears" to go over the horizon
4. An ambiguous explanation for a curved horizon as seen from an aircraft
5. A spotlight for the Sun with ambiguous explanations for eclipses and sunspots
6. A disk for a moon with ambiguous explanations for eclipses and faces
7. Ice walls with their hordes of black helicopters
8. Stratellites and huge fuel expenditures (No one agrees on this)
9. Thousands, maybe millions of extremely tall hard to hide radio towers (No one agrees on this, either)
10. Hundreds of holographic laser projectors around the world to make people think that hundreds of space vehicles are real
11. Bloated, unexplainable conspiracies involving a cast of millions.

Did I miss anything? Nope, that pretty much covers Flat Earth theory.

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Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2008, 05:52:00 PM »
Why do FEs believe it is helicopters and a mountain of ice keeping the water and any observers from the fringes of the earth?  Who came up with that hypothesis and what is it based on? 

Why couldn't it t just as likely be a man made wall of steel? Or a Dark Energy force-field keeping water in?  or big drains sucking in the water from the oceans and pumping them back into the north pole?

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Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2008, 08:06:47 AM »
@blackgoat

I am not FE, but I am not RE. I personally believe in the conspiracy, and that there is a race referred to, by those who know them, as the Ancients. I believe that they were massively intelligent beings and that EVERYTHING we see, everything we know, is ALL a lie. THEY created the earth, THEY created "space", which seems to be just an image projected above us, THEY wrote history, and possibly even our future, etc etc.

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Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2008, 09:26:31 AM »
@blackgoat

I am not FE, but I am not RE. I personally believe in the conspiracy, and that there is a race referred to, by those who know them, as the Ancients. I believe that they were massively intelligent beings and that EVERYTHING we see, everything we know, is ALL a lie. THEY created the earth, THEY created "space", which seems to be just an image projected above us, THEY wrote history, and possibly even our future, etc etc.

I'll answer with the word below your postcounter: Seriously?
Got any specific reason? Any clue? Some readings? I'd like to read about that.
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Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2008, 06:39:58 PM »
I would too.

Too bad I'm insane and have no reasons.

Its slightly related to the Stargate series. With the Ancients that is. But still far off from that.

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Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2008, 07:59:54 AM »
There are many books on the subject.  Try, Slave Species of God or just about anything by Zecharia Sitchin.

Slave Species postulates that an ancient race called the Annunaki came to earth and employed primitive man mining gold in now southern Africa, supposedly the gold, sprinkled in the atmosphere of their homeworld would save them from their own impending demise.  Some of the Annunaki mated with this primitive race and in turn created the race called the Sumerians.  That's the race that we have the first evidence of a written language for in modern day Iraq for those of you not up on it.

Anyway, very interesting book.  You could also try some books by Whitley Strieber as well.  Keep in mind, many of these theories are direct spin offs of Zacharia himself.
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Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2008, 10:57:59 PM »
Does everything have to be a conspiracy? I'm sure the US government isn't intelligent enough to even know the shape of the Earth, let alone conspire against 'the truth' (especially this Bush government, who has visited Australia so many times that he now thinks it's filled with kangaroos...accept Sydney [that's the only place he's been to here]).
To what end? Money does not count, it would cost more money to perpetuate a hoax of this magnitude than would be made from it.

How would the secret be kept? With this many people involved, wouldn't somebody at least “slip”, say after a drink or two at a party?

How would almost 80,000 miles of Ice Wall be guarded? The exact tactics were not covered in the FAQ.

Citing my mention of antenna headings above, does this mean that I and every other Amateur Radio operator and CBer with a directional antenna array is in on the conspiracy?
1. Money is the motivator. Stop making assumptions
2. Bribary and only the top COs need to be in on the conspiracy
3. There is a dispute in the FE community whether the earth is an infinitely expanding plane or if the government guards the ice wall will helicopters. 

Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2008, 10:56:42 PM »
if the earth is flat, how does Circumnavigation still work? Or finding direction by stars, added to that: how do constellations stay the same if the earth is rising "up" in space?
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Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2008, 11:01:03 PM »
if the earth is flat, how does Circumnavigation still work? Or finding direction by stars, added to that: how do constellations stay the same if the earth is rising "up" in space?

The earth is laid out similar to the emblem of the United Nations. North is at the center of the disk. Traveling Eastwards or Westwards takes you in a circle around the North Pole, since East and West are always at right angles to North.

Traveling Eastwards or Westwards also takes you in a circle around the North Pole on a Round Earth. Here's a thought experiment: We are on top of a Round Earth twenty feet away from the point of magnetic north and we wish to travel Eastwards continuously. Where does our path take us?

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Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2008, 05:14:19 AM »
The earth is laid out similar to the emblem of the United Nations. North is at the center of the disk. Traveling Eastwards or Westwards takes you in a circle around the North Pole, since East and West are always at right angles to North.

Tom, I thought that this is the correct map:

They can't both be correct.  Now make up your mind, will you?
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Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2008, 07:50:47 AM »
if the earth is flat, how does Circumnavigation still work? Or finding direction by stars, added to that: how do constellations stay the same if the earth is rising "up" in space?

The earth is laid out similar to the emblem of the United Nations. North is at the center of the disk. Traveling Eastwards or Westwards takes you in a circle around the North Pole, since East and West are always at right angles to North.

Traveling Eastwards or Westwards also takes you in a circle around the North Pole on a Round Earth. Here's a thought experiment: We are on top of a Round Earth twenty feet away from the point of magnetic north and we wish to travel Eastwards continuously. Where does our path take us?
Actually there is a way to disprove this:



In this image, if you travel in a straight line (which can be confirmed by using simple geometry and points 1 and 2 and the angle you get between them), then the direction of North will change on your compass if held at the same angle to the direction of travel when you start and finish the movement (the amount of change would depend on the distance you are form the North Pole and the further away you are the less deflection you will see).

In RE, however, if you travel in a straight line like this at the equator, you would not see this error in position of the compass. With a bit more complex maths you can work out the change in direction of the compass that you would see for that distance form the North Pole.
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Re: If the Earth is flat...
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2008, 09:55:04 AM »
In RE, however, if you travel in a straight line like this at the equator, you would not see this error in position of the compass. With a bit more complex maths you can work out the change in direction of the compass that you would see for that distance form the North Pole.

Please explain how you propose to travel in a straight line on the surface of a Round Earth.
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