The Reason For Conspiracy and Magellan

Quote from: jmhudak17 on September 18, 2008, 03:07:49 PM

Actually it's an appeal to someone who has studied extensively the topic were talking about.

Exactly.  An appeal to... authority.

Appeal to authority is only a fallacy when the authority appealed to is not qualified in the field in question.  And you know that Roundy. 

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on September 18, 2008, 03:09:30 PM

Quote from: jmhudak17 on September 18, 2008, 03:07:49 PM

Actually it's an appeal to someone who has studied extensively the topic were talking about.

Exactly.  An appeal to... authority.

Appeal to authority is only a fallacy when the authority appealed to is not qualified in the field in question.  And you know that Roundy. 

I've been saying that for ages. Quoting physicists to answer a question of physics may be an appeal to authority, but not a fallacious one. If physicists aren't the authority in physics, then who is? The same goes for astronomers to answer a question about astronomy. Flat Earthers should consider reading up on the definitions of fallacies before they start throwing accusations around.

Occam's razor would be another topic to read up on while they're at it. Tom seems to think the definition of Occam's razor is "the theory that I can explain in less words and simpler terms is always correct".

Ok, Roundy, then answer this. Is it true that no physicists, that you know of, agree with you?

Quote from: C-Ray on September 05, 2008, 08:33:30 AM

But you do today.  You can't buy a compass in North America and take it to Brazil.  It won't work.

C-Ray is right. A special compass is needed as you get closer to the poles because the magnetic field lines become vertical.

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/aug98/899130154.Es.r.html

The author notes that a special compass with an axle is already needed for navigation in latitudes past Seattle, Washington. Compasses are only really usable on a relatively narrow part of the earth centered over the equator.

This is all due to the magnetic layout of the earth. In the Round Earth model the magnetic layout looks like this



In the Flat Earth model the magnetic field lines looks something like this:



The vertical and horizontal component of the Magnetic Field lines are identical at every latitude. As you get closer to the areas where the field lines are vertical the compass attempts to point downwards and scrapes along the bottom of the compass and stops working. In the Arctic and Antarctic circles it's actually impossible to use a magnetic compass since the magnetic field lines are almost exactly vertical. Navigators must use the Sun Compass and Gyrocompass for navigation.

My response below not only is in reference to the above quote but all other observations i made while reviewing this site. I have read your FAQ and many responses to threads on this site. If you are to make anyone a believer you should probably have the smartest of your cult or whatever it is answering people. The people giving responses do not seem to even have the enthusiasm to try debate your theory. And if you believe in it so strongly im sure one of your members has a enough money to bring you to the wall and you could have a radio or some device making contact to people back home. I think maybe your society is part of a conspiracy that has mislead you people maybe because of your same reasons that the government wants money or that you guys need attention and couldnt think of anything more believable? I do appologize but after reading this site i am feeling very strong that there are people out there who dont see all the facts out there that make complete sense and have been proven! other remarks on here also state that we too must prove our beliefs and what i dont understand is that they have far more than anything i have seen on here.

While reviewing the article located at the link you sent i quickly noticed that their explanation constantly keeps using an example that if you keep TILTING your compass the marker will start to sway blah blah... notice how tilting brings you in a round circle. If you want to convince people of your theories i would only use links that do not use terms that go against your beliefs. Also we could forget about buying a bunch of different compases trying to travel in one direction. NO matter where you are the old process will still work with a leaf, water and a needle. So lets start an adventure with a couple round earlth believers and a couple flat earth believers and close this site when we arrive back at the same point without running into government guards at an ice wall. Also not everyone is 100% loyal to government, what about people who have small chit chat with friends or get fired would they not write a book or start talking about the conspiracy? I would also like to note that many responses to questions on this site are VERY POOR. Any other topic i want to learn about i get scientific facts even for things that have been researched for less than 7 years. How do you disagree with thousands of scientists not working for the government plotting out galaxies which definately not stand for so long if the world was indeed flat. I came to this site curious and have within 30 minutes been able to find scientific research that is NOT ALL DONE BY GOVERNMENT!!!! that goes against what you are saying. Another thread also had a quote that the government wouldnt shut down this site because it would confirm there was a conspiracy. We can probably all agree that if they were so smart to have a conspiracy this big your little site would be shut down due to an unexplained circumstance that would not be tracked back to the government. I think the 3000 members of this society should really start researching their beliefs and the scientists who are in your 'group' probably didnt get very far in school because isnt it known that scientists only believein facts!!! I am done ranting. No response really required because i most likely wont be back to this site. If anything your belief makes me sad that you are singling yourselves out from the rest of the world and would believe in some theory proven wrong in a million different ways. But if it makes you happy i am sure you are not hurting anyone.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 05, 2008, 09:52:27 AM

Quote from: C-Ray on September 05, 2008, 08:33:30 AM

But you do today.  You can't buy a compass in North America and take it to Brazil.  It won't work.

C-Ray is right. A special compass is needed as you get closer to the poles because the magnetic field lines become vertical.

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/aug98/899130154.Es.r.html

The author notes that a special compass with an axle is already needed for navigation in latitudes past Seattle, Washington. Compasses are only really usable on a relatively narrow part of the earth centered over the equator.

This is all due to the magnetic layout of the earth. In the Round Earth model the magnetic layout looks like this



In the Flat Earth model the magnetic field lines looks something like this:



The vertical and horizontal component of the Magnetic Field lines are identical at every latitude. As you get closer to the areas where the field lines are vertical the compass attempts to point downwards and scrapes along the bottom of the compass and stops working. In the Arctic and Antarctic circles it's actually impossible to use a magnetic compass since the magnetic field lines are almost exactly vertical. Navigators must use the Sun Compass and Gyrocompass for navigation.

My response below not only is in reference to the above quote but all other observations i made while reviewing this site. I have read your FAQ and many responses to threads on this site. If you are to make anyone a believer you should probably have the smartest of your cult or whatever it is answering people. The people giving responses do not seem to even have the enthusiasm to try debate your theory. And if you believe in it so strongly im sure one of your members has a enough money to bring you to the wall and you could have a radio or some device making contact to people back home. I think maybe your society is part of a conspiracy that has mislead you people maybe because of your same reasons that the government wants money or that you guys need attention and couldnt think of anything more believable? I do appologize but after reading this site i am feeling very strong that there are people out there who dont see all the facts out there that make complete sense and have been proven! other remarks on here also state that we too must prove our beliefs and what i dont understand is that they have far more than anything i have seen on here.

While reviewing the article located at the link you sent i quickly noticed that their explanation constantly keeps using an example that if you keep TILTING your compass the marker will start to sway blah blah... notice how tilting brings you in a round circle. If you want to convince people of your theories i would only use links that do not use terms that go against your beliefs. Also we could forget about buying a bunch of different compases trying to travel in one direction. NO matter where you are the old process will still work with a leaf, water and a needle. So lets start an adventure with a couple round earlth believers and a couple flat earth believers and close this site when we arrive back at the same point without running into government guards at an ice wall. Also not everyone is 100% loyal to government, what about people who have small chit chat with friends or get fired would they not write a book or start talking about the conspiracy? I would also like to note that many responses to questions on this site are VERY POOR. Any other topic i want to learn about i get scientific facts even for things that have been researched for less than 7 years. How do you disagree with thousands of scientists not working for the government plotting out galaxies which definately not stand for so long if the world was indeed flat. I came to this site curious and have within 30 minutes been able to find scientific research that is NOT ALL DONE BY GOVERNMENT!!!! that goes against what you are saying. Another thread also had a quote that the government wouldnt shut down this site because it would confirm there was a conspiracy. We can probably all agree that if they were so smart to have a conspiracy this big your little site would be shut down due to an unexplained circumstance that would not be tracked back to the government. I think the 3000 members of this society should really start researching their beliefs and the scientists who are in your 'group' probably didnt get very far in school because isnt it known that scientists only believein facts!!! I am done ranting. No response really required because i most likely wont be back to this site. If anything your belief makes me sad that you are singling yourselves out from the rest of the world and would believe in some theory proven wrong in a million different ways. But if it makes you happy i am sure you are not hurting anyone.

tl; dr

You nice response Roundy. What the hell does tl dr mean? And let's go, answer my second question because you couldn't answer my first. Do you agree that no physicists that you know of agree with you that this Earth is flat?

You nice response Roundy. What the hell does tl dr mean? And let's go, answer my second question because you couldn't answer my first. Do you agree that no physicists that you know of agree with you that this Earth is flat?

tl; dr means "too long; didn't read" as in ch posted an irritating and headache-inducing wall of text and I wasn't going to read it.

I know of none.  Now, explain to me what you think that proves.

Roundy is a lone gunman on a grassy knoll?

I choose to think of 'Roundy' in this quote representing the conspiracy. Seems apt. I may use it as my new term for the RE conspiracy.

This proves that no one with a background studying physics, which is what the RE/FE "debate" is (I hate to call it that), agrees with you. I could easily make up a theory about why the sun comes up every morning. I could say that the gravity of the Earth pulls the Sun towards it everyday. And then, I could make up something and say that reverse gravity pushes it away at night. It doesn't mean any of that is true.