Open letter to Flat Earth Society - Bransons Rocket

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Open letter to Flat Earth Society - Bransons Rocket
« on: August 15, 2008, 04:21:57 AM »
To whom it may concern,

 I have been in discussions with a few of your members about the possibility of raising the capital to send Neeman on Richard Branson's Virgin Galactic flights. The basic gist of the plan is that a fund, linked with this site, is started and members are encouraged to put minimum £10 in the pot in order to raise £102,000 for the flight. According to the stats on this site you have 10852 members so if each of them put their hand in their pocket there would be more than enough money for the flight and enough left over for a fancy party when he gets back.

 I am more than aware that this plan has gaping holes in it, ready to be filled with cries of 'FAKE' and 'CONSPIRACY' . I would like to have a good honest chat about how to a) safely and securely raise the capital, and b) make this 100% conclusive with no wiggle room.

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

monkeybradders

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Parsifal

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Re: Open letter to Flat Earth Society - Bransons Rocket
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2008, 04:27:12 AM »
You do realise that not nearly that many members still actively post, right?
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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Sean O'Grady

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Re: Open letter to Flat Earth Society - Bransons Rocket
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2008, 04:28:44 AM »
10,852 members of the site ≠ 10,852 members of the flat earth society.

Would you be willing to contribute to the fund?

Re: Open letter to Flat Earth Society - Bransons Rocket
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2008, 04:57:46 AM »
And so it begins. A great big ice wall starts to form in front of a perfectly reasonable idea.

Yes i realise not that many people are actively on this site. However, the BBC have already shown interest in FET. I'm sure they'd be more than happy to do a follow up story.

Yes i would pay £10.

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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2008, 05:14:12 AM »
Oh, I am the biggest flat earther ever now, I dedicate all my effort to proving flat earth forever.  I will never beleive the earth is round.  You better send me on a free trip to space too.


lol, they will just say Neeman or whoever else you send is a mole and part of the conspiracy, and Neeman will just lol all the way to the free space flight bank. 
" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">Video proof that the Earth is flat!

Run run, as fast as you can, you can't catch me cos I'm in the lollipop forest and you can't get there!

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Re: Open letter to Flat Earth Society - Bransons Rocket
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2008, 05:17:01 AM »
Just to be clear, I would like to repeat that in the interests of science, I am willing to risk my life by exposing myself to agents of the conspiracy by accepting monkeybradders offer.
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

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Re: Open letter to Flat Earth Society - Bransons Rocket
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2008, 05:20:12 AM »
I don't think there is any better representative for such an endeavour than Neeman. However, to be honest i just don't see it being financially feasible. I really can't afford to contribute to anything right at the moment, but at such time as I can, I shall definitely consider it.
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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Sean O'Grady

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Re: Open letter to Flat Earth Society - Bransons Rocket
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2008, 05:24:05 AM »
Put my name down for £10 and when you get all the names I'll send money.

Just to be clear on this: if Neeman confirms that the earth is indeed flat will that make you finally give up your ridiculous round earth fantasies?

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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2008, 05:26:49 AM »
Just to be clear, I would like to repeat that in the interests of science, I am willing to risk my life by exposing myself to agents of the conspiracy by accepting monkeybradders offer.

Agents of the conspiracy... hahahaha

In order for this conspiracy to be true and real the following people would all have to be in on it:

-Every miltiary in the world which has ICBM , GPS, SATCOM capability since thse rely on round Earth Science. and as a former member of the USN I cant ell you there is no such thing
-Every private manafacturer of satellites on Earth
-all the employees of the aforementioned
-all meteorlogists
-every space agency in the world.
-every computer programmer who programs Stellites, GPS systems, computers
-all map makers
-everyone involved in radio and telecommunications
-all satellite TV producers


the list goes on


The Earth is round further:
In the US navy i was a fire controlman. Our min job is to make sure weapons get on target and to do this you needto solve a mathematical equation clled the fire control problem.
The answer, known as the firing solution, for a particular target works on the assumption the Earth is round. if the earth were not round, our targetting systems would not work.




Re: Open letter to Flat Earth Society - Bransons Rocket
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2008, 05:36:01 AM »
Since FLS is based in Lancaster CA, they should take a drive up Highway 14 to Edwards Air Force Base, and take a look from the West end of Rogers Dry Lake Bed.  Have one member stand at one end of runway 17/35, while another walks to the other end (bring plenty of water) and watch as the walker goes below the horizon.  Use a telescope..or binoculars if you wish.  Pack a lunch, for the hiker has to go 7.5 miles to get to the other end.

Re: Open letter to Flat Earth Society - Bransons Rocket
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2008, 05:37:55 AM »
Put my name down for £10 and when you get all the names I'll send money.

Just to be clear on this: if Neeman confirms that the earth is indeed flat will that make you finally give up your ridiculous round earth fantasies?

Of course it would. What would be the point otherwise?

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Sean O'Grady

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Re: Open letter to Flat Earth Society - Bransons Rocket
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2008, 05:41:03 AM »
Agents of the conspiracy... hahahaha

In order for this conspiracy to be true and real the following people would all have to be in on it:

-Every miltiary in the world which has ICBM , GPS, SATCOM capability since thse rely on round Earth Science. and as a former member of the USN I cant ell you there is no such thing
-Every private manafacturer of satellites on Earth
-all the employees of the aforementioned
-all meteorlogists
-every space agency in the world.
-every computer programmer who programs Stellites, GPS systems, computers
-all map makers
-everyone involved in radio and telecommunications
-all satellite TV producers


the list goes on


The Earth is round further:
In the US navy i was a fire controlman. Our min job is to make sure weapons get on target and to do this you needto solve a mathematical equation clled the fire control problem.
The answer, known as the firing solution, for a particular target works on the assumption the Earth is round. if the earth were not round, our targetting systems would not work.


Just a quick question: you say all employees of several industries. Are you saying there's not any of there employees that cannot perform there job without the knowledge that the earth is flat?

Re: Open letter to Flat Earth Society - Bransons Rocket
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2008, 05:53:31 AM »
Agents of the conspiracy... hahahaha

In order for this conspiracy to be true and real the following people would all have to be in on it:

-Every miltiary in the world which has ICBM , GPS, SATCOM capability since thse rely on round Earth Science. and as a former member of the USN I cant ell you there is no such thing
-Every private manafacturer of satellites on Earth
-all the employees of the aforementioned
-all meteorlogists
-every space agency in the world.
-every computer programmer who programs Stellites, GPS systems, computers
-all map makers
-everyone involved in radio and telecommunications
-all satellite TV producers


the list goes on


The Earth is round further:
In the US navy i was a fire controlman. Our min job is to make sure weapons get on target and to do this you needto solve a mathematical equation clled the fire control problem.
The answer, known as the firing solution, for a particular target works on the assumption the Earth is round. if the earth were not round, our targetting systems would not work.


Just a quick question: you say all employees of several industries. Are you saying there's not any of there employees that cannot perform there job without the knowledge that the earth is flat?

In order to make such euipment youd have to know what the strcture of where you are is.
and like I said, in all my time in the USN the targetting data we used was for a round Earth.

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Re: Open letter to Flat Earth Society - Bransons Rocket
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2008, 06:05:34 AM »
Agents of the conspiracy... hahahaha

In order for this conspiracy to be true and real the following people would all have to be in on it:

-Every miltiary in the world which has ICBM , GPS, SATCOM capability since thse rely on round Earth Science. and as a former member of the USN I cant ell you there is no such thing
-Every private manafacturer of satellites on Earth
-all the employees of the aforementioned
-all meteorlogists
-every space agency in the world.
-every computer programmer who programs Stellites, GPS systems, computers
-all map makers
-everyone involved in radio and telecommunications
-all satellite TV producers


the list goes on


The Earth is round further:
In the US navy i was a fire controlman. Our min job is to make sure weapons get on target and to do this you needto solve a mathematical equation clled the fire control problem.
The answer, known as the firing solution, for a particular target works on the assumption the Earth is round. if the earth were not round, our targetting systems would not work.


Just a quick question: you say all employees of several industries. Are you saying there's not any of there employees that cannot perform there job without the knowledge that the earth is flat?

In order to make such euipment youd have to know what the strcture of where you are is.
and like I said, in all my time in the USN the targetting data we used was for a round Earth.

This has been discussed on many occasions, and you are wrong. But please; this thread is not about that, so do not hijack it.
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

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« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2008, 06:09:11 AM »
Agents of the conspiracy... hahahaha

In order for this conspiracy to be true and real the following people would all have to be in on it:

-Every miltiary in the world which has ICBM , GPS, SATCOM capability since thse rely on round Earth Science. and as a former member of the USN I cant ell you there is no such thing
-Every private manafacturer of satellites on Earth
-all the employees of the aforementioned
-all meteorlogists
-every space agency in the world.
-every computer programmer who programs Stellites, GPS systems, computers
-all map makers
-everyone involved in radio and telecommunications
-all satellite TV producers


the list goes on


The Earth is round further:
In the US navy i was a fire controlman. Our min job is to make sure weapons get on target and to do this you needto solve a mathematical equation clled the fire control problem.
The answer, known as the firing solution, for a particular target works on the assumption the Earth is round. if the earth were not round, our targetting systems would not work.


Just a quick question: you say all employees of several industries. Are you saying there's not any of there employees that cannot perform there job without the knowledge that the earth is flat?

In order to make such euipment youd have to know what the strcture of where you are is.
and like I said, in all my time in the USN the targetting data we used was for a round Earth.

This has been discussed on many occasions, and you are wrong. But please; this thread is not about that, so do not hijack it.


Hey, I personally did the work. Targetting data = round Earth, or am I just another agent of the conspiracy, here at the behest of my RE overlords?

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Re: Open letter to Flat Earth Society - Bransons Rocket
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2008, 06:13:47 AM »
You are derailing the topic. There are plenty of other threads on this subject which you can post in.
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

Re: Open letter to Flat Earth Society - Bransons Rocket
« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2008, 06:42:35 AM »
To whom it may concern,

 I have been in discussions with a few of your members about the possibility of raising the capital to send Neeman on Richard Branson's Virgin Galactic flights. The basic gist of the plan is that a fund, linked with this site, is started and members are encouraged to put minimum £10 in the pot in order to raise £102,000 for the flight. According to the stats on this site you have 10852 members so if each of them put their hand in their pocket there would be more than enough money for the flight and enough left over for a fancy party when he gets back.

 I am more than aware that this plan has gaping holes in it, ready to be filled with cries of 'FAKE' and 'CONSPIRACY' . I would like to have a good honest chat about how to a) safely and securely raise the capital, and b) make this 100% conclusive with no wiggle room.

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

monkeybradders


If you did raise the money and send him I predict he would come back and say some rubbish like "I saw the Earth andit was round but it was just a hologram on a screen with hydraulics attached like a amusement park ride to get me to believethe RE lie"

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« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2008, 06:59:28 AM »
wow this is so fucking cool.  im gonna do this one of these days( if it actually works out, which i doubt).  be scary as shit though. :o

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« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2008, 07:00:13 AM »
330,000 feet, 2500 mph, breathtaking view of a round earth....

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« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2008, 07:48:39 AM »
I'd be willing to contribute €20.
"There's coffee in that nebula!" - Capt. Katherine Janeway.   Star Trek fan since I was 2 years old and proud of it! :).

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« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2008, 08:51:15 AM »
yup i'll put cash in, this is a great idea, well done that man.  :D

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« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2008, 08:58:42 AM »
I don't think there is any better representative for such an endeavour than Neeman. However, to be honest i just don't see it being financially feasible. I really can't afford to contribute to anything right at the moment, but at such time as I can, I shall definitely consider it.

It's ok robotsteve, they're still a few years off from take off so you've plenty of time to save up your £10

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« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2008, 09:13:01 AM »
having fun there?

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« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2008, 01:50:07 PM »
sorry to bump this but it's impotant

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« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2008, 02:40:13 PM »
"lawl", is every single one of your posts "LOL" ? ::)
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Re: Open letter to Flat Earth Society - Bransons Rocket
« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2008, 02:41:49 PM »
Why would we send NEEMAN? 
ANNIHILATOR OF  SHIFTER

It's no slur if it's fact.

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« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2008, 02:43:26 PM »
what is "lawl" ?

Neeman was the only one brave enough to say he'd do it when i originally touted the idea last week.

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« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2008, 03:00:10 PM »
I think you would also need to accommodate everything that would be needed for the candidate to sufficiently believe he saw what he saw. For example, a view that allows him to see the earth for the entirety of the flight so that there is no question of what he sees. You would also need to prove that the window through which he looks has no sort of manipulation or artificial picture. That can partially be accomplished by allowing him to give instructions to someone he sees through the window. But unless that can be done at altitude, it would be easy to suggest that at some point the window changed from transparent to false images... Good luck with this...

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« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2008, 03:08:53 PM »
I know. This is troubling me. I have no reason to believe that neeman wouldn't tell the truth so it's a case of other people not questioning him. I thought maybe the flight could be filmed from the ground but that only solves one part of it, he went into up.

AAAHHHHAAAAAAAA a sticker placed on the outside of the window. If he can see the sticker then there's no jiggery pokery. Obviously i'd have to clear this with Captain Branson

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« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2008, 03:34:53 PM »
We now know that everyone of those who said they would give money are either trolls or gullible fools.

Nobody knows if Neeman is the same person as monkeybradders, if the fund that receives the money is for real or just a scam (similar to the Nigerian scam that has pestered our mailboxes for more than a year).

Several FE'rs have already said that the apparent spherical shape of the Earth, as seen from space, is not necessarily the result of photoshopped images, but the result of the shape of the Sun's spotlight, so even real photos would not end the controversy.

So, if I were the manager of the fund, I would spend the money in it, which would never reach 100,000 pounds, on a nice car, I would select the name of a real passenger as my own, and tell the people in this forum that every photographic material had to be surrendered at the end of the flight, that we were all given photographic material to show back home, and that I never felt any weightlessness.

If you do not believe in NASA why would you believe in me?