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The Sun's angular velocity

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The Sun's angular velocity
« on: May 19, 2008, 02:36:28 PM »
FE predicts the sun's position in the sky should move with variant angular velocity.

It is universally observable that it doesn't.

Why?
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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2008, 02:37:35 PM »
I have also brought this up but was ignored.
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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2008, 02:38:47 PM »
Atmospheric refraction.
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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2008, 02:40:32 PM »
In case anyone missed it, this is what it should look like.

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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2008, 02:43:24 PM »
Piffle.  The sun's don't move in circular path's.
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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2008, 02:43:31 PM »
Your diagram does not take terrestrial refraction into account.
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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2008, 02:44:13 PM »
ANd what is this another Bogus idea to create a medocre example of why the earth is flat.
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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2008, 02:44:47 PM »
Quote from: lindelof on May 19, 2008, 02:38:47 PM
Atmospheric refraction.

That is no more of an explanation than "it's magic".
Vertical atmospheric refraction can only alter the apparent height of the sun not its angular position.

For atmospheric refraction to be an explanation you have to map how the air density alters radially.

Then you have to explain how the rays of light going through the same bit of air sometimes bend radially in and sometimes radially out depending on where the observer is.


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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2008, 02:46:19 PM »
First of all, the rays of light aren't going through air.
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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2008, 02:47:32 PM »
Quote from: lindelof on May 19, 2008, 02:46:19 PM
First of all, the rays of light aren't going through air.

What are they going through then?
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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2008, 02:49:47 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 19, 2008, 02:43:31 PM
Your diagram does not take terrestrial refraction into account.

Then re-draw it, taking it into account.
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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2008, 02:50:04 PM »
Ice.
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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2008, 02:52:01 PM »
Quote from: lindelof on May 19, 2008, 02:50:04 PM
Ice.

Now you are just trolling.

Haven't you got anything worthwhile to say?
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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2008, 02:53:13 PM »
It's true man.  Read your bible.  It says clearly that there are waters above the earth.  It is cold in space, so those waters frooze.
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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2008, 02:54:21 PM »
Quote from: Dimitri on May 19, 2008, 02:44:13 PM
ANd what is this another Bogus idea to create a medocre example of why the earth is flat.

You really aren't thinking about this.

This is a challenge to the FE solar movement model.
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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2008, 02:57:36 PM »
Quote from: Dimitri on May 19, 2008, 02:37:35 PM
I have also brought this up but was ignored.

It must be a 'difficult' question then.

Why do you suppose the difficult ones get ignored?
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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2008, 02:59:31 PM »
I want to know when Lindy converted and what was the catalyst?

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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2008, 03:13:33 PM »
Quote from: lindelof on May 19, 2008, 02:53:13 PM
It's true man.  Read your bible.  It says clearly that there are waters above the earth.  It is cold in space, so those waters frooze.
Water above the earth. Hmmm, ever heard of clouds.
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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2008, 03:25:57 PM »
Quote from: Dimitri on May 19, 2008, 03:13:33 PM
Quote from: lindelof on May 19, 2008, 02:53:13 PM
It's true man.  Read your bible.  It says clearly that there are waters above the earth.  It is cold in space, so those waters frooze.
Water above the earth. Hmmm, ever heard of clouds.

Clouds aren't water.  Let me prove this:

*You can drink water.
*You can't drink clouds.
      {I was once in a cloud on mountain in Canada, I could not drink it}
*So clouds are not water.

You might be all like going to say "HEY MAN you just said that ICE IS WATER & you can't DRINK WATER ; what is up w/ that MAN!!"

But I didn't.  When God mad the universe he put water above teh sky.  It was water then.  When it froze it stopped being water.
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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2008, 10:28:05 AM »
So as expected, so FE'er is going to offer any sentient explanation, and justify it when challenged.

I wonder why that is?
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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2008, 10:38:03 AM »
What is this constant speed you are talking about?  What is the speed?
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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2008, 10:56:17 AM »
Quote from: Youre avin a larf on May 19, 2008, 02:36:28 PM
FE predicts the sun's position in the sky should move with variant angular velocity.

It is universally observable that it doesn't.

This statement is false.
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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2008, 10:58:13 AM »
From anywhere on the earth, if you observe the Sun, it moves through 15º per hour through the sky.
That is, the change of angle (angular velocity) is constant.

This is how sundials work and boy scouts navigate using a watch.
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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2008, 10:59:12 AM »
Quote from: Bushido on May 20, 2008, 10:56:17 AM
Quote from: Youre avin a larf on May 19, 2008, 02:36:28 PM
FE predicts the sun's position in the sky should move with variant angular velocity.

It is universally observable that it doesn't.

This statement is false.

What do you believe is false, the prediction of the observation?
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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2008, 11:02:37 AM »
Quote from: Youre avin a larf on May 20, 2008, 10:58:13 AM
From anywhere on the earth, if you observe the Sun, it moves through 15º per hour through the sky.


How far does it move at the north pole?
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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2008, 11:02:57 AM »
Quote from: Bushido on May 20, 2008, 10:56:17 AM
Quote from: Youre avin a larf on May 19, 2008, 02:36:28 PM
FE predicts the sun's position in the sky should move with variant angular velocity.

It is universally observable that it doesn't.

This statement is false.
I see no proof of this.
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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2008, 11:05:29 AM »
Quote from: lived_eht_asan on May 20, 2008, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: Youre avin a larf on May 20, 2008, 10:58:13 AM
From anywhere on the earth, if you observe the Sun, it moves through 15º per hour through the sky.


How far does it move at the north pole?

If you observe it, that is during those parts of the year that it is observable, it moves through  15º per hour.

Even when it is not visible, it is still moving through 15º per hour, you just can't confirm it.
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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #27 on: May 20, 2008, 11:12:38 AM »
Quote from: lived_eht_asan on May 20, 2008, 10:38:03 AM
What is this constant speed you are talking about?  What is the speed?

I retract my question upon thinking it over. Should have thought it over first in hindsight.
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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2008, 11:13:41 AM »
Quote from: Youre avin a larf on May 20, 2008, 11:05:29 AM
Quote from: lived_eht_asan on May 20, 2008, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: Youre avin a larf on May 20, 2008, 10:58:13 AM
From anywhere on the earth, if you observe the Sun, it moves through 15º per hour through the sky.


How far does it move at the north pole?

If you observe it, that is during those parts of the year that it is observable, it moves through  15º per hour.

Even when it is not visible, it is still moving through 15º per hour, you just can't confirm it.

I heard a story once that at the North pole, it takes 30 hours from the time the sun is first visible, to the time the bottom appears.  But that must just be a myth.
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Re: The Sun's angular velocity
« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2008, 11:16:12 AM »
Quote from: lived_eht_asan on May 20, 2008, 11:13:41 AM

I heard a story once that at the North pole, it takes 30 hours from the time the sun is first visible, to the time the bottom appears.  But that must just be a myth.

It is entirely possible. However during that time it will have rotated 450º.
That would be because it has constant angular velocity (I'm calling this CAV from now on)
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