2 maps...any truth?

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Chris Spaghetti

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2 maps...any truth?
« on: April 19, 2007, 03:27:22 PM »
because I'm so very nice, i've made you FEers 2 maps to argue about, the first is the traditional North-pole centric version of affairs, the second is a south-pole central version.



I gotta say the South pole version looks mighty funky!
« Last Edit: April 19, 2007, 03:29:47 PM by Chrissetti »

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Re: 2 maps...any truth?
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2007, 03:30:00 PM »
The second one loooks cool
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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2007, 03:32:10 PM »
i'm actually trying to find britain on the south map, can anyone see her?

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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2007, 03:32:52 PM »
Right at the bottom

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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2007, 03:35:53 PM »
Ah, well done, i didn't spot that. I hope the FEers appreciate the 'effort' (5 minutes on paint shop pro, 2 minutes uploading to photobucket) I went through fo them

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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2007, 03:38:02 PM »
The gross distortion of the continents needed to create the latter demonstrates the greater likelyhood of a north-centric Earth. That and the ease with which you can visit the north pole versus the south.
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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2007, 03:38:43 PM »
Thats way more effort than I'd ever go through for them
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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2007, 03:40:35 PM »
Well, just call me nice...or mad, you decide.

I want to live on the South version. Britain's much, bigger, I can have a bigger house!

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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2007, 03:41:10 PM »
I think the great north-centric origins of the FES are the likely explanation. After all, back when Rowbotham was alive the south pole was as close as you can get to an alien land, pretty hard to refute when you can't get anywhere near it.
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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2007, 03:45:53 PM »
just looking at the FE map made me think of another question

time zones/longitudinal lines: on an RE map, the longitudinal lines start of all at exactly the same point (north pole), then move farther and farther away from eachother to a max distance at the equator, then closer and closer until they converge again at the south pole.

on an FE map, these lines would continue getting farther and farther and farther apart until the end of the world. so time zones in the southern hemisphere would spread and basically all of australia or south america would probably fall into one or two time zones. clearly this is not the case...and yet the time zones still operate to make it day when it should be day and night when it should be night...

i know a pic is worth a thousand words, so if somebody wants me to clear it up, let me know and i will bust out my awesome MSPaint skills.
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« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2007, 03:48:18 PM »
i did think this, but time zones are a man-conceived affair, like clocks themselves, so I suppose it wouldn't really matter

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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2007, 03:50:22 PM »
i realize they are man made, yet still, it's always day at the right time and night at the right time, so there's clearly some reason fleming conceived them the way he did.
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« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2007, 03:50:54 PM »
Well, just call me nice...or mad, you decide.

I want to live on the South version. Britain's much, bigger, I can have a bigger house!

Nicely mad?

With that logic I'm going with the South one!
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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2007, 03:53:36 PM »
Woo, anyone else for bigger-house land? Unless you live on the southern hemisphere of course...And yeah, nicely mad, I like that

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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2007, 04:18:53 PM »
Hey Chrissetti, how did you make these types of maps? What sort of Photoshop filter did you use?

Could you provide a few steps?

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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2007, 04:27:58 PM »
i realize they are man made, yet still, it's always day at the right time and night at the right time, so there's clearly some reason fleming conceived them the way he did.

This isn't completely true. While rough estimates can be made, it's not possible to predict the exact time of sunrise oe sunset on any given day.
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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2007, 04:31:48 PM »
You can be exact to the minute. I know for example that today (20 April) in London the sunrise will be at 5:55AM, though of course the height of the surrounding terrain will determine when the sun really 'rises'...
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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2007, 04:41:42 PM »
i realize they are man made, yet still, it's always day at the right time and night at the right time, so there's clearly some reason fleming conceived them the way he did.

This isn't completely true. While rough estimates can be made, it's not possible to predict the exact time of sunrise oe sunset on any given day.

actually you can, most weather sites will quote it to you in minutes for your city.

anyways that wasn't my point....my point was that the time zones would be so wide by the time they reached the outer reaches of the southern hemisphere that all of australia would be encompassed into the same one (because on FE map, continents themselves are not "stretched", the water between this according to the FAQ maps). it actually is split into 3 time zones.
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Re: 2 maps...any truth?
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2007, 04:42:47 PM »
Hey Chrissetti, how did you make these types of maps? What sort of Photoshop filter did you use?

Could you provide a few steps?

Chrissetti said Paint Shop Pro, not Photoshop....they're 2 separate things buddy.
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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2007, 04:43:52 PM »
Hey Chrissetti, how did you make these types of maps? What sort of Photoshop filter did you use?

Could you provide a few steps?

Chrissetti said Paint Shop Pro, not Photoshop....they're 2 separate things buddy.

Now now, its not Tom's fault he has the reading comprehension of a 12 year old...
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« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2007, 05:46:38 PM »
Geez, the guy was just asking a question.
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« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2007, 10:49:05 PM »
The second map could be made a little closer to normal proportions if you were to vertically stretch out the regions closest to the north pole.

Regardless, I wonder why you FE'ers find it so unacceptable that the South Pole-centric model has grossly distorted continents but think it completely fine that the North Pole-Centric one has equally distorted bodies of water. Both models pose equal difficulty in explaining.
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Re: 2 maps...any truth?
« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2007, 04:30:52 AM »
Hey Chrissetti, how did you make these types of maps? What sort of Photoshop filter did you use?

Could you provide a few steps?

I'll tell you how I did it on PSP if you want, as far as I can tell they're quite similar.
1. Grab a standard map of the Earth from google (You know the ones I mean, North pole at the top, south at the bottom, Alaska on the far left, Japan on the far right)

2. There's a tool on PSP called 'polar co-ordinates' in the 'distort' section, use that

3. It'll be an ellipse when it first comes out, just push it into a circle shape, et voila.

4. For the South one, flip the map over before you polar co-ordinate it.

The second map could be made a little closer to normal proportions if you were to vertically stretch out the regions closest to the north pole.

Regardless, I wonder why you FE'ers find it so unacceptable that the South Pole-centric model has grossly distorted continents but think it completely fine that the North Pole-Centric one has equally distorted bodies of water. Both models pose equal difficulty in explaining.

Because it's easier to imagine a distorted body of water than land.

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Re: 2 maps...any truth?
« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2007, 07:39:44 AM »
The second map proves my theory that I discussed with RickJames waaaaaay back when.

Rick, if you could fill them in (if you choose to read this thread) please do. I am too lazy.

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« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2007, 05:07:05 PM »
Um... I'm not sure exactly which conversation you mean  :-[

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« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2007, 10:02:01 AM »
Hey Chrissetti, how did you make these types of maps? What sort of Photoshop filter did you use?

Could you provide a few steps?

heres a basic tutorial tom using polar coordinates in photoshop
http://www.tutorialized.com/tutorial/Polar-Coordinates/1831

i gonna create my own flat earth map too... yipeee!! :D
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« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2007, 07:50:14 PM »
i realize they are man made, yet still, it's always day at the right time and night at the right time, so there's clearly some reason fleming conceived them the way he did.

Why does that stupid cartoon of those cats keep showing up??? i'm sick of it!!! well how can there be a south and north pole if the world is flat? those pictures look wrong, if the world is flat, and i'm saying it isn't, then there wouldn't be a south pole, unless there was an underside of the world. this all doesn't make sense... :-X

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Re: 2 maps...any truth?
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2007, 09:35:35 PM »
Why wouldn't a flat earth have an underside?  ???
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2007, 10:54:01 PM »
Anyone notice that the second image has all the continents mirrored?

Might want to try again for a more "accurate" picture :O

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« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2007, 10:59:47 PM »
Why wouldn't a flat earth have an underside?  ???
It's more a matter that REers have trouble with FE saying they "know" things about the underside. How do they know the earth doesn't go on forever downwards? How do they know where the South Magnetic Pole is on the underside?