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Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« on: July 15, 2014, 02:03:33 PM »
Tectonic plates as we know them don't sound very likely on a Flat Earth, at least a finite flat Earth with an edge. Either the plates would have to be fixed to the edge, because the edge is exposed and would therefore likely cool and harden, fixing the edge in place, or for some unknown reason it might still move, in which case the plates would slide off the edge, or magma would leak out. Since the Earth has apparently been around quite some time, and chunks of it haven't slid off into space, I think we have to conclude that tectonic plates can't really work on a flat Earth.

There have been several questions on this in Q&A, and usually the FE answer is, "why can't plates exist on a flat Earth?". Well there you have it - they can't because they would either slide off, which obviously hasn't happened, or they'd stick to the edge, which obviously isn't happening.
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Re: Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2014, 05:32:01 PM »
What if to wanking elephants keep knocking them back in.
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Re: Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2014, 05:36:26 PM »
Quote from: guv on July 15, 2014, 05:32:01 PM
What if to wanking elephants keep knocking them back in.

That's probably it good save
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Re: Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2014, 04:42:18 AM »
If the Earth is a finite disk with a molten core, then obviously, there is a crust on top.  That would mean there is a crust on the other sides as well.  If the Earth is hard all the way around it, then it would be difficult for continents to slide off, would it not? 
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Re: Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2014, 09:24:03 AM »
Quote from: jroa on July 16, 2014, 04:42:18 AM
If the Earth is a finite disk with a molten core, then obviously, there is a crust on top.  That would mean there is a crust on the other sides as well.  If the Earth is hard all the way around it, then it would be difficult for continents to slide off, would it not?

That's what I'm saying. Either the continents would be free to move around, which appears to be the case based on empirical data, leaving them free to slide off the edge, OR they are fixed to the edge, in which case they aren't free to move around, which conflicts with the empirical data.

OR the plates are free to move around, and on the surface of a ball with a molten core with no edge for them to slide off of. Note that this hypothesis is consistent with the data that show A) the plates move around and B) They have not slid off into space.
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Re: Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2014, 01:52:42 AM »
Quote from: Shmeggley on July 21, 2014, 09:24:03 AM
Quote from: jroa on July 16, 2014, 04:42:18 AM
If the Earth is a finite disk with a molten core, then obviously, there is a crust on top.  That would mean there is a crust on the other sides as well.  If the Earth is hard all the way around it, then it would be difficult for continents to slide off, would it not?

That's what I'm saying. Either the continents would be free to move around, which appears to be the case based on empirical data, leaving them free to slide off the edge, OR they are fixed to the edge, in which case they aren't free to move around, which conflicts with the empirical data.

OR the plates are free to move around, and on the surface of a ball with a molten core with no edge for them to slide off of. Note that this hypothesis is consistent with the data that show A) the plates move around and B) They have not slid off into space.


Tectonic theories also attempt to explain, why mountains and volcanoes occur where they do,



Could it be that, they’ve never proven the plate tectonic theory, or the existence of subduction zones where plates dive under each other.

They’re full of theories and fabrications they claim to be fact.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2014, 02:06:09 AM by Goth »
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Re: Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2014, 03:22:25 AM »
This tectonic plate stuff is just another rigged up theory. Earthquakes and what not, are simply pressure inside Earth building up through fissures underground that erupt.
Ask any teenager about the Earth quakes on their faces.
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Re: Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2014, 08:29:09 AM »
Right, so an infected skin pore is directly comparable to an earthquake, is it? Seems legit. Anyway, I have a question. So by the sound of it the earth is not a disc, its actually a cylinder of volume pi x r2 x h where h is some small number. What exactly is h? I.e. what is the height of earth? Also, when I fly on a plane why can I see the curvature of the earth? And why can I watch a ship pass over the horizon? And why when I sent a balloon with a camera up in high school could I see the curvature of the earth? And why am I pulled downwards towards the center of the earth in accordance with gravity if the earth is in fact a disc? And why is it possible to get on a boat and circumnavigate the earth? And why have extremely deep mines not punched through to the other side? None of those are rhetorical, please answer each and every one with a logical argument, using sound mathematics to support your views wherever possible. Thank you.
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Re: Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2014, 08:31:02 AM »
Also, and make sure you answer the questions in my previous post in addition to this one,
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simply pressure inside Earth building up
what exactly is the source of this pressure? Again I require sound logic, preferably using known universal laws. Absolutely no conjecture.
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Re: Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2014, 08:40:52 AM »
Quote from: FlawedLogic on July 22, 2014, 08:31:02 AM
Also, and make sure you answer the questions in my previous post in addition to this one,
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simply pressure inside Earth building up
what exactly is the source of this pressure? Again I require sound logic, preferably using known universal laws. Absolutely no conjecture.
Why do you require calculations for any of this?

Calculations are nonsense for any of this stuff. I'm not going to give you forum
las and calculations that are  simply made up to account for this nonsense.

I'll gladly answer a question, one question at a time but I'm not going to give out bull crap numbers when there's no need to.
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Re: Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2014, 08:53:40 AM »
Because calculations rely on absolute truths they are one of the few ways to actually prove something definitively. They are in fact required in order to prove something.
 Why do you want questions one at a time? Can you not simply answer each one? I ask you again, answer my questions. Answer them well. I want logical, sound arguments, without conjecture. Equations are preferred for the above reasons, but they are of course not necessary. If your argument is logical. Please don't dodge my questions. Simply answer them.
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Re: Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2014, 01:08:55 PM »
Scepti, this is yet another situation in which you dismiss something by calling "bullshit!", without providing any support for it. Care to give us some example of what would be wrong in saying that there needs to be some source of growing pressure? Like an example of stuff showing rising pressure overall with no outside input(remember, your "dome" is a completely sealed environment).
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Re: Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2014, 02:06:01 PM »
Quote from: Goth on July 22, 2014, 01:52:42 AM
Quote from: Shmeggley on July 21, 2014, 09:24:03 AM
Quote from: jroa on July 16, 2014, 04:42:18 AM
If the Earth is a finite disk with a molten core, then obviously, there is a crust on top.  That would mean there is a crust on the other sides as well.  If the Earth is hard all the way around it, then it would be difficult for continents to slide off, would it not?

That's what I'm saying. Either the continents would be free to move around, which appears to be the case based on empirical data, leaving them free to slide off the edge, OR they are fixed to the edge, in which case they aren't free to move around, which conflicts with the empirical data.

OR the plates are free to move around, and on the surface of a ball with a molten core with no edge for them to slide off of. Note that this hypothesis is consistent with the data that show A) the plates move around and B) They have not slid off into space.


Tectonic theories also attempt to explain, why mountains and volcanoes occur where they do,



Could it be that, they’ve never proven the plate tectonic theory, or the existence of subduction zones where plates dive under each other.

They’re full of theories and fabrications they claim to be fact.

What is this "proof" you're looking for? Evidence of seafloor spreading has been around for decades. Now using GPS the movement of the plates can be measured precisely. Are you suggesting that there exists no evidence for subduction zones? At any rate, it's clear that the plates move, and some move apart. 
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Re: Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2014, 04:21:41 PM »
My questions remain unanswered. Please answer them Sceptimatic. If a theory cannot stand up to basic questions then its a very poor theory. I'm waiting for your logical, sensible answers that are free of evasions or cries of "this is all bullshit!" with no provided explanation. Please answer my questions.
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Re: Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2014, 02:09:33 AM »
Quote from: FlawedLogic on July 22, 2014, 04:21:41 PM
My questions remain unanswered. Please answer them Sceptimatic. If a theory cannot stand up to basic questions then its a very poor theory. I'm waiting for your logical, sensible answers that are free of evasions or cries of "this is all bullshit!" with no provided explanation. Please answer my questions.

You'll soon learn that sceptimatic will never answer any of your questions directly.  If at all LOL.

This sort of drivel is typical of his "answers"...
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Calculations are nonsense for any of this stuff. I'm not going to give you formulas and calculations that are simply made up to account for this nonsense.

He invariably dismisses anything to do with science as "nonsense" or "bullcrap" simply because he doesn't have any answers.  Sceptimatic actually has no idea at all about the theory of tectonics—which, laughably, he describes as a "rigged up theory".  Any of the sciences he can't explain—which is most stuff—he describes as fake or made up, or lies or part of a conspiracy.  Ask him about his personal "theory" of denpressure and watch him squirm.

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Re: Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2014, 02:16:40 AM »
Quote from: Shmeggley on July 22, 2014, 02:06:01 PM
Quote from: Goth on July 22, 2014, 01:52:42 AM
Quote from: Shmeggley on July 21, 2014, 09:24:03 AM
Quote from: jroa on July 16, 2014, 04:42:18 AM
If the Earth is a finite disk with a molten core, then obviously, there is a crust on top.  That would mean there is a crust on the other sides as well.  If the Earth is hard all the way around it, then it would be difficult for continents to slide off, would it not?

That's what I'm saying. Either the continents would be free to move around, which appears to be the case based on empirical data, leaving them free to slide off the edge, OR they are fixed to the edge, in which case they aren't free to move around, which conflicts with the empirical data.

OR the plates are free to move around, and on the surface of a ball with a molten core with no edge for them to slide off of. Note that this hypothesis is consistent with the data that show A) the plates move around and B) They have not slid off into space.


Tectonic theories also attempt to explain, why mountains and volcanoes occur where they do,



Could it be that, they’ve never proven the plate tectonic theory, or the existence of subduction zones where plates dive under each other.

They’re full of theories and fabrications they claim to be fact.

What is this "proof" you're looking for? Evidence of seafloor spreading has been around for decades. Now using GPS the movement of the plates can be measured precisely. Are you suggesting that there exists no evidence for subduction zones? At any rate, it's clear that the plates move, and some move apart.



Our flat Mother earth 'could be expanding,
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Shmeggley

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Re: Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2014, 09:59:17 PM »
It could also be a big round ball.
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Re: Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2014, 10:06:32 PM »
Quote from: Shmeggley on July 24, 2014, 09:59:17 PM
It could also be a big round ball.
Yo mama so fat she has a natural satellite.

Anyways, if it expanded - it would be getting flatter and thinner. Why doesn't it look like this is happening? And it still leaves the problem of the edges...
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Re: Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2014, 03:22:18 AM »
Quote from: Shmeggley on July 24, 2014, 09:59:17 PM
It could also be a big round ball.

Could be, with only water on top? uh mm, it's also spinning, it seems difficult to me...
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Re: Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2014, 03:48:32 AM »
Quote from: Goth on July 25, 2014, 03:22:18 AM
Quote from: Shmeggley on July 24, 2014, 09:59:17 PM
It could also be a big round ball.

Could be, with only water on top? uh mm, it's also spinning, it seems difficult to me...
What is so difficult about that? Do you see water in a glass or lake splattering everywhere when you blow on it gently? No. Why? Because the force holding it down is WAY stronger than what would try to pull it away. The outwards force from RE spinning is way weaker than the gravity. RE would have to spin at around 17x faster than now for the gravitational pull at the equator to be negated by the centripetal force.
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Re: Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2014, 03:59:59 AM »
Quote from: Macpie on July 25, 2014, 03:48:32 AM
Quote from: Goth on July 25, 2014, 03:22:18 AM
Quote from: Shmeggley on July 24, 2014, 09:59:17 PM
It could also be a big round ball.

Could be, with only water on top? uh mm, it's also spinning, it seems difficult to me...
What is so difficult about that? Do you see water in a glass or lake splattering everywhere when you blow on it gently? No. Why? Because the force holding it down is WAY stronger than what would try to pull it away. The outwards force from RE spinning is way weaker than the gravity. RE would have to spin at around 17x faster than now for the gravitational pull at the equator to be negated by the centripetal force.

Maybe i can make it easier for you,

I can make a ball out of snow,, but it seems difficult with liquid water,
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Re: Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2014, 04:07:16 AM »
Quote from: Goth on July 25, 2014, 03:59:59 AM
Quote from: Macpie on July 25, 2014, 03:48:32 AM
Quote from: Goth on July 25, 2014, 03:22:18 AM
Quote from: Shmeggley on July 24, 2014, 09:59:17 PM
It could also be a big round ball.

Could be, with only water on top? uh mm, it's also spinning, it seems difficult to me...
What is so difficult about that? Do you see water in a glass or lake splattering everywhere when you blow on it gently? No. Why? Because the force holding it down is WAY stronger than what would try to pull it away. The outwards force from RE spinning is way weaker than the gravity. RE would have to spin at around 17x faster than now for the gravitational pull at the equator to be negated by the centripetal force.

Maybe i can make it easier for you,

I can make a ball out of snow,, but it seems difficult with liquid water,

Oh, and why is that? Because it falls down to the ground and splatters? What could possibly happen that makes it behave like this, indeed...
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Re: Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2014, 05:26:35 AM »
Quote from: Macpie on July 25, 2014, 04:07:16 AM
Quote from: Goth on July 25, 2014, 03:59:59 AM
Quote from: Macpie on July 25, 2014, 03:48:32 AM
Quote from: Goth on July 25, 2014, 03:22:18 AM
Quote from: Shmeggley on July 24, 2014, 09:59:17 PM
It could also be a big round ball.

Could be, with only water on top? uh mm, it's also spinning, it seems difficult to me...
What is so difficult about that? Do you see water in a glass or lake splattering everywhere when you blow on it gently? No. Why? Because the force holding it down is WAY stronger than what would try to pull it away. The outwards force from RE spinning is way weaker than the gravity. RE would have to spin at around 17x faster than now for the gravitational pull at the equator to be negated by the centripetal force.

Maybe i can make it easier for you,

I can make a ball out of snow,, but it seems difficult with liquid water,

Oh, and why is that? Because it falls down to the ground and splatters? What could possibly happen that makes it behave like this, indeed...

Water tends to flatten out as the air is pushed upwards to meet it.

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Re: Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2014, 06:18:48 AM »
Quote from: Goth on July 25, 2014, 03:59:59 AM
Quote from: Macpie on July 25, 2014, 03:48:32 AM
Quote from: Goth on July 25, 2014, 03:22:18 AM
Quote from: Shmeggley on July 24, 2014, 09:59:17 PM
It could also be a big round ball.

Could be, with only water on top? uh mm, it's also spinning, it seems difficult to me...
What is so difficult about that? Do you see water in a glass or lake splattering everywhere when you blow on it gently? No. Why? Because the force holding it down is WAY stronger than what would try to pull it away. The outwards force from RE spinning is way weaker than the gravity. RE would have to spin at around 17x faster than now for the gravitational pull at the equator to be negated by the centripetal force.

Maybe i can make it easier for you,

I can make a ball out of snow,, but it seems difficult with liquid water,

Because snow is sticky when it is packed. That is the thing that allows the snowball to keep its shape. There must be a mechanism that keeps things onto the ball. We call that mechanism gravity.
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Re: Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2014, 07:10:18 AM »
Quote from: jroa on July 25, 2014, 05:26:35 AM
Quote from: Macpie on July 25, 2014, 04:07:16 AM
Quote from: Goth on July 25, 2014, 03:59:59 AM
Quote from: Macpie on July 25, 2014, 03:48:32 AM
Quote from: Goth on July 25, 2014, 03:22:18 AM
Quote from: Shmeggley on July 24, 2014, 09:59:17 PM
It could also be a big round ball.

Could be, with only water on top? uh mm, it's also spinning, it seems difficult to me...
What is so difficult about that? Do you see water in a glass or lake splattering everywhere when you blow on it gently? No. Why? Because the force holding it down is WAY stronger than what would try to pull it away. The outwards force from RE spinning is way weaker than the gravity. RE would have to spin at around 17x faster than now for the gravitational pull at the equator to be negated by the centripetal force.

Maybe i can make it easier for you,

I can make a ball out of snow,, but it seems difficult with liquid water,

Oh, and why is that? Because it falls down to the ground and splatters? What could possibly happen that makes it behave like this, indeed...

Water tends to flatten out as the air is pushed upwards to meet it.

It falls because of either gravity or your accelerating FE, this effect would look the same in both cases. But I was referring to the shape. While it falls, it resembles a sphere. A bit flattened, you are right. It flattens because of air moving past it pretty quickly. If there was no air resistance or other uneven force, after a while water will form a pretty, smooth sphere(well, it would quickly boil away, so maybe some metal like mercury would be a better option... but the main thing is still valid; a droplet would be round, unless disturbed). In space there is no "wind" like this on any meaningful scale, just the forces keeping stuff together.

And by the way, it is pretty simple to catch small droplets on stuff like some fluffy fabric without it "smearing" onto it, but staying round and pretty. I have seen it many, many times on a dry surface of my sink when letting the water drop onto it after it has dried over few hours. They  do not form domes, rather they stay round without sticking to the surface.
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Re: Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2014, 07:34:43 AM »
Quote from: Goth on July 25, 2014, 03:22:18 AM
Quote from: Shmeggley on July 24, 2014, 09:59:17 PM
It could also be a big round ball.

Could be, with only water on top? uh mm, it's also spinning, it seems difficult to me...

Are you telling me you're unaware of how the rond Earth model works? Ignorance is not an argument.
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Re: Tectonic plates don't work on a Flat Earth
« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2014, 04:15:37 PM »
Quote from: Goth on July 25, 2014, 03:59:59 AM

I can make a ball out of snow, but it seems difficult with liquid water,

Nope.  Not difficult at all.  I saw millions of perfectly spherical balls of water only yesterday.  Rain.

Only high-altitude raindrops above a diameter of around 1/10 of an inch are flattened on the bottom.  This is not due to higher pressure on the bottom.  Airflow on the bottom of the raindrop is greater than the airflow at its top. At the top, small air circulation disturbances create less air pressure. The surface tension at the top allows the raindrop to remain more spherical while the bottom gets more flattened out—like a hamburger bun.  This complies with Bernoulli's principle of aerodynamics, (and whose existence sceptimatic vehemently denied earlier on).

Smaller raindrops are perfectly spherical.  This also explains how round lead shot is made in shot towers.  The molten lead naturally assumes the shape of a perfect sphere as it falls into the cooling water at the base.


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