Why the Conspiracy?

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miamiflashfan

Why the Conspiracy?
« on: June 20, 2009, 09:15:45 PM »
So I see lots of you are talking about a conspiracy from the government that the earth is round.  Why is the government so fixed on creating this illusion?  How is this at all advantageous to them to have society as a whole believing that the earth is, in reality, flat?  Everything that man has created that would require a round earth to function correctly... they're all simply made up by the government?

And what about pictures that have been taken that depict a round earth?  What about these?  Fake?  

And what about all of the pilots who have claimed to fly around the world?  Every single one of them is either a liar, or in on the conspiracy I suppose.  If it's the second, then wouldn't their little secret inclusion to the flat earth conspiracy club be hard to keep a secret?  Wouldn't one, just one, of these little members blab their mouths to the world?
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Re: Why the Conspiracy?
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2009, 12:15:46 AM »
your facts have no numbers or proof at all that the earth is flat. just observations and theorys that have not been tested.

and OP is right there is no motive to have a conspiracy.

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Re: Why the Conspiracy?
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2009, 08:52:59 AM »
So I see lots of you are talking about a conspiracy from the government that the earth is round.  Why is the government so fixed on creating this illusion?  How is this at all advantageous to them to have society as a whole believing that the earth is, in reality, flat?  Everything that man has created that would require a round earth to function correctly... they're all simply made up by the government?

And what about pictures that have been taken that depict a round earth?  What about these?  Fake?  

And what about all of the pilots who have claimed to fly around the world?  Every single one of them is either a liar, or in on the conspiracy I suppose.  If it's the second, then wouldn't their little secret inclusion to the flat earth conspiracy club be hard to keep a secret?  Wouldn't one, just one, of these little members blab their mouths to the world?

No.  Nothing you have said is even remotely close to any members' beliefs.  Use the search function, everything you claimed has already been covered several times.

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Re: Why the Conspiracy?
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2009, 11:00:14 AM »
See, the way it works is this: you want to know about the who, what, when, where, why, how of the conspiracy. Everyone directs to to the FAQ, claiming that all answers lie within. What you read in the FAQ is that NASA, not the government, is responsible for the conspiracy. They provide a link to another flat earth society thread where a guy speculates about how NASA could pull it off. Part of this speculation (not proof, mind you), suggests that you would be able to cover it up by paying off a grand total of 40 individuals world-wide. This includes high-ups in the NASA program, russian program, and chinese program. It also includes some (not all) astronauts and counts them only as half-people (I guess because anyone with actual evidence who is not implicit in the conspiracy would somehow be less likely to want to talk about how their years of training and lifetime dedication to becoming an astronaut were all based on lies--makes sense, I guess). It also includes a few other people.

They will suggest that other people in NASA don't need to be paid off because they don't have direct evidence--they just sit behind desks and see what the rest of us see. Of course, what they don't mention is that, even though they don't need to be "bought off," they still need to be paid, because, hello people, that's their job! People don't gain employment with NASA just for the love of sitting behind a desk and seeing what the rest of us see. And I imagine that these NASA control room people make a pretty good salary.

You will then go to other threads where they suggest that any university that is conducting research that verifies a round Earth is a part of the conspiracy or is conducting research using money that comes from NASA. Well, first of all, that is a lot of universities--including many, many universities that are not a part of the US, Russia, or China. It's also a lot of "fake research" that needs to be funded. The "Conspiracy Thread" never accounts for the vast sums of money that required to fund this research, nor does it consider that anyone who has ever looked through one of these huge university telescopes (more grad students than we can count) would have definitive evidence of either a round or flat earth that was every bit as compelling as an astronaut's evidence.

You will also find threads whereby it is suggested that all of the launches that NASA (and undoubtedly other space programs) conduct are staged. While these launches all have large audiences of people who come to see the liftoff, FEers will tell you that these launches are meant to dupe those people. The crafts don't actually go into space, but only pretend to do so, then land in an alternate location. The problem again is that the "Conspiracy Thread" never accounts for the cost of these faked launches in its figuring. Those fake launches still cost a lot of money in terms of building the crafts, paying employees, burning fuel, etc. There still need to be people manning both the launch site, and the alternative landing site. Since the people at the landing site know "the truth," they would then become people who needed to be paid off.

All of this operates under the absurd notion that you could pay a person off for the Dr. Evil-esque sum of $1 million. You know, "$1 million dollars isn't exactly a lot of money now-a-days. Virtucon alone makes $9 billion a year." If I were one of the 40, I'd think about...unionizing or something.

Anyway, this entire site and all the FEers on it rely on you not being able to navigate through the vast sea of convoluted arguments made here, and then actually put them together to realize how implausible their so-called "theory" is.

You just have to look at it as having fun reading some really ridiculous banter and leave it at that.
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Re: Why the Conspiracy?
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2009, 12:46:37 PM »
As a newcomer, I saw all the answers to this in the FAQ.

NASA/Gov't/etc all can just be 'players' they don't have to be the ones running things.

Whoever is doing so has their own reasons, be it pride, profit or otherwise. We will never know and may never even understand it, as we are not them.

I personally don't care who is doing it and why and for how long.
I am quite content to try to be a constructive member of society that has elites and have-nots. I will stake out what I can, but I am definitely not going to 'rock the boat' and get in the way of the power struggles of the elite. They can play their games and whatever else they choose. I will not hinder them in any way.

Does it really matter?
Why are some people so fixated on why a murder took place in their town? Will it have any effect on anything or reverse what has happened? It may be an effort to exert some psychological defense, seeking control and explanation, but other than that, it doesn't make any external difference at all. In any case, a murder that has happened or a conspiracy - you can't do anything about it.

So why worry about it?

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Re: Why the Conspiracy?
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2009, 05:27:58 AM »
I'd like to know where Starbuck gets 40 people from. That aside from the rest of the stuff he makes up.
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Re: Why the Conspiracy?
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2009, 05:40:39 AM »
I'd like to know where Starbuck gets 40 people from. That aside from the rest of the stuff he makes up.

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Re: Why the Conspiracy?
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2009, 06:09:17 AM »
Well, that only explains the one figure, and not the other "information." Plus, the Compendium is only an attempt at instituting a logical approach to giving REers explanations in regards to the multitude of questions they ask. Discounting that or brushing it off doesn't make anyone's argument better or worse.
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Re: Why the Conspiracy?
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2009, 12:44:03 PM »
So I see lots of you are talking about a conspiracy from the government that the earth is round.  Why is the government so fixed on creating this illusion?  How is this at all advantageous to them to have society as a whole believing that the earth is, in reality, flat?  Everything that man has created that would require a round earth to function correctly... they're all simply made up by the government?

And what about pictures that have been taken that depict a round earth?  What about these?  Fake?  

And what about all of the pilots who have claimed to fly around the world?  Every single one of them is either a liar, or in on the conspiracy I suppose.  If it's the second, then wouldn't their little secret inclusion to the flat earth conspiracy club be hard to keep a secret?  Wouldn't one, just one, of these little members blab their mouths to the world?

Can you imagine the fear of the public if they thought you could fall of the edge of the world!

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Re: Why the Conspiracy?
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2009, 01:01:32 PM »
As a newcomer, I saw all the answers to this in the FAQ.

NASA/Gov't/etc all can just be 'players' they don't have to be the ones running things.

Whoever is doing so has their own reasons, be it pride, profit or otherwise. We will never know and may never even understand it, as we are not them.

I personally don't care who is doing it and why and for how long.
I am quite content to try to be a constructive member of society that has elites and have-nots. I will stake out what I can, but I am definitely not going to 'rock the boat' and get in the way of the power struggles of the elite. They can play their games and whatever else they choose. I will not hinder them in any way.

Does it really matter?
Why are some people so fixated on why a murder took place in their town? Will it have any effect on anything or reverse what has happened? It may be an effort to exert some psychological defense, seeking control and explanation, but other than that, it doesn't make any external difference at all. In any case, a murder that has happened or a conspiracy - you can't do anything about it.

So why worry about it?

You are right, the shape of the earth has no real effect on daily life for (almost) everyone. It is the eternal pursuit of knowledge that all humans should strive for.

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Re: Why the Conspiracy?
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2009, 09:21:22 AM »
See, the way it works is this: you want to know about the who, what, when, where, why, how of the conspiracy. Everyone directs to to the FAQ, claiming that all answers lie within. What you read in the FAQ is that NASA, not the government, is responsible for the conspiracy. They provide a link to another flat earth society thread where a guy speculates about how NASA could pull it off. Part of this speculation (not proof, mind you), suggests that you would be able to cover it up by paying off a grand total of 40 individuals world-wide. This includes high-ups in the NASA program, russian program, and chinese program. It also includes some (not all) astronauts and counts them only as half-people (I guess because anyone with actual evidence who is not implicit in the conspiracy would somehow be less likely to want to talk about how their years of training and lifetime dedication to becoming an astronaut were all based on lies--makes sense, I guess). It also includes a few other people.

They will suggest that other people in NASA don't need to be paid off because they don't have direct evidence--they just sit behind desks and see what the rest of us see. Of course, what they don't mention is that, even though they don't need to be "bought off," they still need to be paid, because, hello people, that's their job! People don't gain employment with NASA just for the love of sitting behind a desk and seeing what the rest of us see. And I imagine that these NASA control room people make a pretty good salary.

You will then go to other threads where they suggest that any university that is conducting research that verifies a round Earth is a part of the conspiracy or is conducting research using money that comes from NASA. Well, first of all, that is a lot of universities--including many, many universities that are not a part of the US, Russia, or China. It's also a lot of "fake research" that needs to be funded. The "Conspiracy Thread" never accounts for the vast sums of money that required to fund this research, nor does it consider that anyone who has ever looked through one of these huge university telescopes (more grad students than we can count) would have definitive evidence of either a round or flat earth that was every bit as compelling as an astronaut's evidence.

You will also find threads whereby it is suggested that all of the launches that NASA (and undoubtedly other space programs) conduct are staged. While these launches all have large audiences of people who come to see the liftoff, FEers will tell you that these launches are meant to dupe those people. The crafts don't actually go into space, but only pretend to do so, then land in an alternate location. The problem again is that the "Conspiracy Thread" never accounts for the cost of these faked launches in its figuring. Those fake launches still cost a lot of money in terms of building the crafts, paying employees, burning fuel, etc. There still need to be people manning both the launch site, and the alternative landing site. Since the people at the landing site know "the truth," they would then become people who needed to be paid off.

All of this operates under the absurd notion that you could pay a person off for the Dr. Evil-esque sum of $1 million. You know, "$1 million dollars isn't exactly a lot of money now-a-days. Virtucon alone makes $9 billion a year." If I were one of the 40, I'd think about...unionizing or something.

Anyway, this entire site and all the FEers on it rely on you not being able to navigate through the vast sea of convoluted arguments made here, and then actually put them together to realize how implausible their so-called "theory" is.

You just have to look at it as having fun reading some really ridiculous banter and leave it at that.
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Re: Why the Conspiracy?
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2009, 09:40:25 AM »
Well, that only explains the one figure, and not the other "information." Plus, the Compendium is only an attempt at instituting a logical approach to giving REers explanations in regards to the multitude of questions they ask. Discounting that or brushing it off doesn't make anyone's argument better or worse.

Well, why even consider all that stuff when all you really have to do is go out and buy an astronomy field guide for $10, note the predictions that it makes about planetary motions, apparent magnitudes, etc., then go out and observe the planets to see whether or not the predictions are right? That seems like a much better method of validating a theory than relying on a bunch of convoluted speculation.
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