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Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« on: June 14, 2009, 03:05:19 PM »
Is it? I'm not against flat Earth, however i do not support it either. Im just wondering how Google earth happens without satellites. Did the government drive everywhere in the world and just take pictures?
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2009, 03:10:28 PM »
Can you say "aerial photography"?  I knew that you could.
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2009, 06:25:24 PM »
Quote from: markjo on June 14, 2009, 03:10:28 PM
Can you say "aerial photography"?  I knew that you could.
Actually, the resolution of some of the images is so large (parts of Africa), it couldn't have been taken using aerial photography. Plus, you can see from the swath width of some of the cells that again, the imaging is too large for aerial photography.
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2009, 06:30:46 PM »
Quote from: mazty88 on June 14, 2009, 06:25:24 PM
the imaging is too large for aerial photography.

Do you have any evidence to support your outlandish claim?
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2009, 07:06:07 PM »
Quote from: Robbyj on June 14, 2009, 06:30:46 PM
Quote from: mazty88 on June 14, 2009, 06:25:24 PM
the imaging is too large for aerial photography.

Do you have any evidence to support your outlandish claim?
Yes, and thinking it's outlandish clearly shows you have no idea about resolution.
The bloody obvious fact that is that it would have cost billions to map the entire world, including seas using ariel photography, as it is only taken at an altitude of a maximum of 30,000ft. So when you do the math, go figure how much plane fuel, or planes you would need to cover the earth. They would have used satellites.
Want evidence? Look at Chad on google maps. There are cells there with a 300km x 400km size. Only satellites have that swath width.
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2009, 07:07:53 PM »
So you don't.  That's what I figured.
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2009, 07:13:29 PM »
Quote from: Robbyj on June 14, 2009, 07:07:53 PM
So you don't.  That's what I figured.
Bless, you don't understand anything I've said so you come back with a garbage reply, ignoring my valid points.
http://earth.google.com/
Not to mention, they even state it's satellite imagery.
Now go away and actually learn something about remote sensing systems before sounding once again like a complete uneducated idiot.
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2009, 07:17:06 PM »
I understand what you said perfectly well.  If you haven't figured it out by now, no one is just going to take your word for it and no I'm not doing the math to attempt to support your conjecture.  
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2009, 07:21:53 PM »
Quote from: Robbyj on June 14, 2009, 07:17:06 PM
I understand what you said perfectly well.  If you haven't figured it out by now, no one is just going to take your word for it and no I'm not doing the math to attempt to support your conjecture.  
"If I don't see it, it's not there."
Idiot.
Do you even know what a swath width is?
And do the math. I have stated a point, given both hard evidence (imagery) and financial evidence (unrealistic cost), not to mention googles description of their product.
Find me a RS plane-mounted system which has a swath width of over 100km. Please. Then you may have something to argue other than an unsubstantiated argument.
What is your evidence to disprove my points?
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2009, 07:28:11 PM »
You don't have any points supported by evidence.  Only conjecture.
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2009, 07:31:56 PM »
Quote from: Robbyj on June 14, 2009, 07:28:11 PM
You don't have any points supported by evidence.  Only conjecture.
No. Learn something about RS systems.

FACT: Plane mounted photogrpahic systems do not have swath widths of over 100km.
FACT: Cells clearly are over 100km in google earth.
FACT: Google state google earth is made using satellite imagery.
FACT: Aerial photography of the entire earth would cost billions. Google earth is free. Not cost effective.

You have no evidence to support the idea it isn't satellite imagery, other than it wouldn't tie in with your 'theory'.
Google state it's satellite imagery. It is now up to you to disprove that claim.
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2009, 07:32:39 PM »
Where do Google get these images from? Just out of curiosity.
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2009, 07:39:02 PM »
Quote from: NEEMAN on June 14, 2009, 07:32:39 PM
Where do Google get these images from? Just out of curiosity.
http://www.geoeye.com/CorpSite/
Now, where's your proof that google earth isn't made from satellite imagery?
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2009, 07:43:37 PM »
Quote from: mazty88 on June 14, 2009, 07:39:02 PM
Quote from: NEEMAN on June 14, 2009, 07:32:39 PM
Where do Google get these images from? Just out of curiosity.
http://www.geoeye.com/CorpSite/
Now, where's your proof that google earth isn't made from satellite imagery?

Do they own the 'satelite'? I'm asking this out of genuine curiosity, as I couldn't find any such info on the site.
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2009, 07:44:28 PM »
Quote from: NEEMAN on June 14, 2009, 07:43:37 PM
Quote from: mazty88 on June 14, 2009, 07:39:02 PM
Quote from: NEEMAN on June 14, 2009, 07:32:39 PM
Where do Google get these images from? Just out of curiosity.
http://www.geoeye.com/CorpSite/
Now, where's your proof that google earth isn't made from satellite imagery?

Do they own the 'satelite'? I'm asking this out of genuine curiosity, as I couldn't find any such info on the site.
Google bought the imagery from Geoeye.
The satellites are property of Geoeye.
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2009, 07:49:13 PM »
Quote from: NEEMAN on June 14, 2009, 07:32:39 PM
Where do Google get these images from? Just out of curiosity.

Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Earth#Image_providers
    * DigitalGlobe ? the provider of high resolution imagery to Google Earth
    * EarthSat
    * GeoEye-1 (ORBVIEW-3's succesor)
    * GlobeXplorer
    * IKONOS (ORBVIEW-2 is successor)
    * Pictometry
    * Spot Image
    * TerraLook
    * ViewGL - updated aerial imagery for Google Earth
    * CNES
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2009, 07:51:49 PM »
Quote from: mazty88 on June 14, 2009, 07:44:28 PM
Quote from: NEEMAN on June 14, 2009, 07:43:37 PM
Quote from: mazty88 on June 14, 2009, 07:39:02 PM
Quote from: NEEMAN on June 14, 2009, 07:32:39 PM
Where do Google get these images from? Just out of curiosity.
http://www.geoeye.com/CorpSite/
Now, where's your proof that google earth isn't made from satellite imagery?

Do they own the 'satelite'? I'm asking this out of genuine curiosity, as I couldn't find any such info on the site.
Google bought the imagery from Geoeye.
The satellites are property of Geoeye.

Who put them up there? The satelites, that is?
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2009, 07:55:56 PM »
Quote from: NEEMAN on June 14, 2009, 07:51:49 PM
Quote from: mazty88 on June 14, 2009, 07:44:28 PM
Quote from: NEEMAN on June 14, 2009, 07:43:37 PM
Quote from: mazty88 on June 14, 2009, 07:39:02 PM
Quote from: NEEMAN on June 14, 2009, 07:32:39 PM
Where do Google get these images from? Just out of curiosity.
http://www.geoeye.com/CorpSite/
Now, where's your proof that google earth isn't made from satellite imagery?

Do they own the 'satelite'? I'm asking this out of genuine curiosity, as I couldn't find any such info on the site.
Google bought the imagery from Geoeye.
The satellites are property of Geoeye.

Who put them up there? The satelites, that is?

Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeoEye-1#Specifications_and_operation
Google, which has its logo on the side of the rocket, has exclusive online mapping use of its data. While GeoEye-1 is capable of imagery with details the size of 41 centimetres (16 in), that resolution will only be available to the government. Google will have access to details of 50 centimetres (20 in). Prior maximum commercial imagery was 60 centimetres (24 in).[8]
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2009, 07:56:56 PM »
Quote from: NEEMAN on June 14, 2009, 07:51:49 PM
Quote from: mazty88 on June 14, 2009, 07:44:28 PM
Quote from: NEEMAN on June 14, 2009, 07:43:37 PM
Quote from: mazty88 on June 14, 2009, 07:39:02 PM
Quote from: NEEMAN on June 14, 2009, 07:32:39 PM
Where do Google get these images from? Just out of curiosity.
http://www.geoeye.com/CorpSite/
Now, where's your proof that google earth isn't made from satellite imagery?

Do they own the 'satellite'? I'm asking this out of genuine curiosity, as I couldn't find any such info on the site.
Google bought the imagery from Geoeye.
The satellites are property of Geoeye.

Who put them up there? The satellites, that is?
Probably the Russians as you can purchase room on old ICBMs for quite cheap (in relative terms) to attach your equipment to, which are then launched to a sufficient height to maintain orbit. Getting a satellite into orbit isn't hard. How do you think Iridium or the DMC was put into action?
Either way, you are digressing & I'm become impatient for the hard evidence showing google earth is made from aerial imagery.
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2009, 08:02:11 PM »
Well then, even putting aside the fact that sustained orbit is impossible, we don't really know if a satellite ever went into space, do we? All of this ties into the conspiracy. As for you bein "impatient", all I can say is apply vaseline and chill out. I'm not your waiter buddy- you didn't place any orders with me.
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2009, 08:05:50 PM »
Quote from: NEEMAN on June 14, 2009, 08:02:11 PM
Well then, even putting aside the fact that sustained orbit is impossible, we don't really know if a satellite ever went into space, do we? All of this ties into the conspiracy. As for you bein "impatient", all I can say is apply vaseline and chill out. I'm not your waiter buddy- you didn't place any orders with me.
Well done for ignoring the facts I presented you with, so I will give you them again:

FACT: Plane mounted photographic systems do not have swath widths of over 100km.
FACT: Cells clearly are over 100km in google earth.
FACT: Google state google earth is made using satellite imagery.
FACT: Aerial photography of the entire earth would cost billions. Google earth is free. Not cost effective.

It is not 'fact' that sustained orbit is impossible. It simply doesn't tie in with your 'theory' of a flat earth, which has bugger all facts and figures, or equations to back itself up with.
Whereas there are equations for a RE.
Please prove those equations wrong, as well as what I have presented to you, then you may have a leg to stand on.
Until then, all you are saying is unsubstantiated bullsh*t.
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2009, 08:08:06 PM »
Quote from: mazty88 on June 14, 2009, 08:05:50 PM
FACT: Aerial photography of the entire earth would cost billions. Google earth is free. Not cost effective.

Would it really? Can I have some figures for this unsubstantiated claim? Can you give me some figures proving that it woul cost more to use aerial photography than it would to put a satellite in space?
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2009, 08:19:58 PM »
Quote from: NEEMAN on June 14, 2009, 08:08:06 PM
Quote from: mazty88 on June 14, 2009, 08:05:50 PM
FACT: Aerial photography of the entire earth would cost billions. Google earth is free. Not cost effective.

Would it really? Can I have some figures for this unsubstantiated claim? Can you give me some figures proving that it would cost more to use aerial photography than it would to put a satellite in space?
Satellite photography from GEOEYE is $25 per km2. Other companies, such as QuickBird, offer imagery for as little as $15 due to decreased resolution. And that's fresh imagery, not archived imagery which costs $5 from GeoEye.
MJHarden imagery is $100 per km2 as it's  much higher resolution, with no back catalogue as aerial photography is an on demand service.
MODIS data is free from here: http://www.sat.dundee.ac.uk/, which is common for the government ran satellite programs.
I know what I'm on about, shame you don't.  ;D
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2009, 08:35:43 PM »
Quote from: mazty88 on June 14, 2009, 08:19:58 PM
Quote from: NEEMAN on June 14, 2009, 08:08:06 PM
Quote from: mazty88 on June 14, 2009, 08:05:50 PM
FACT: Aerial photography of the entire earth would cost billions. Google earth is free. Not cost effective.

Would it really? Can I have some figures for this unsubstantiated claim? Can you give me some figures proving that it would cost more to use aerial photography than it would to put a satellite in space?
Satellite photography from GEOEYE is $25 per km2. Other companies, such as QuickBird, offer imagery for as little as $15 due to decreased resolution. And that's fresh imagery, not archived imagery which costs $5 from GeoEye.
MJHarden imagery is $100 per km2 as it's  much higher resolution, with no back catalogue as aerial photography is an on demand service.
MODIS data is free from here: http://www.sat.dundee.ac.uk/, which is common for the government ran satellite programs.
I know what I'm on about, shame you don't.  ;D


What I am asking is this: would it cost more to buy/build a satellite and then put it in space than to photograph these areas from the air? All Google are doing is buying some images. I'm talking about the cost of getting those images. Figures please.
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2009, 08:41:09 PM »
Quote from: NEEMAN on June 14, 2009, 08:35:43 PM
Quote from: mazty88 on June 14, 2009, 08:19:58 PM
Quote from: NEEMAN on June 14, 2009, 08:08:06 PM
Quote from: mazty88 on June 14, 2009, 08:05:50 PM
FACT: Aerial photography of the entire earth would cost billions. Google earth is free. Not cost effective.

Would it really? Can I have some figures for this unsubstantiated claim? Can you give me some figures proving that it would cost more to use aerial photography than it would to put a satellite in space?
Satellite photography from GEOEYE is $25 per km2. Other companies, such as QuickBird, offer imagery for as little as $15 due to decreased resolution. And that's fresh imagery, not archived imagery which costs $5 from GeoEye.
MJHarden imagery is $100 per km2 as it's  much higher resolution, with no back catalogue as aerial photography is an on demand service.
MODIS data is free from here: http://www.sat.dundee.ac.uk/, which is common for the government ran satellite programs.
I know what I'm on about, shame you don't.  ;D


What I am asking is this: would it cost more to buy/build a satellite and then put it in space than to photograph these areas from the air? All Google are doing is buying some images. I'm talking about the cost of getting those images. Figures please.
Google aren't the only customers of GEOEYE....That's kind of a no brainer.
For google its cheaper to use satellite imagery.
For GEOEYE, selling satellite imagery is there way of making money.
Cost of getting the images? I already gave you the pricing of them. As for getting them - click - satellite takes photo - done.
Do your research kid, you really are coming across as sub-average intelligence.
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2009, 08:44:32 PM »
Sorry, but I didn't see any figures there. And of course, it isn't as simple as

Quote from: mazty88 on June 14, 2009, 08:41:09 PM
click - satellite takes photo - done.

because you have to pay for the satellite, and then pay for the rocket that gets it into space. You're the one making all these demands for figures relating to unsubstantiated claims, so now I'm asking you: put up or shut up. You say it would cost more to take picture from the air than to take them from a satellite in space- prove it, with figures.
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2009, 08:48:17 PM »
Quote from: NEEMAN on June 14, 2009, 08:44:32 PM
Sorry, but I didn't see any figures there. And of course, it isn't as simple as

Quote from: mazty88 on June 14, 2009, 08:41:09 PM
click - satellite takes photo - done.

because you have to pay for the satellite, and then pay for the rocket that gets it into space. You're the one making all these demands for figures relating to unsubstantiated claims, so now I'm asking you: put up or shut up. You say it would cost more to take picture from the air than to take them from a satellite in space- prove it, with figures.
You are an absolutely thick idiot. I'm guessing that's why you'll never have a real job, but I digress.
OBVIOUSLY geoeye have not released the figures for how much it cost to put their satellites up in the air.
BUT GEOEYE IS NOT GOOGLE so your entire point is invalid.
It is cheaper for google to buy data off geoeye or obtain it free from MODIS & MERIS etc, than buy it from ariel photography, which still does not provide a large enough swath width for what is seen in google maps!!!
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2009, 08:51:13 PM »
The conspiracy controls every single space flight company in the world (governamental and non-governamental), Nasa, telecomunication companies, Google and any other company that provides sattelite image, tv channels(that cleary suport RE theories), schools, astronomers, etc etc

there's nothing they cannot control, and all for the love of the devil and money.

ps: I like UFO conspiracy better, at least they have some cool footages and testimonials,
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2009, 08:52:38 PM »
But google is just buying images. I'm sayuing those images are not satellite images. All you're actually saying is that images described as satellite images are cheaper than other images described as aerial images. You're blathering on about a pricing scheme, but none of this proves that these are satellite images.

What google pay for an image proves nothing about where that image came from.
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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2009, 08:54:35 PM »
Quote from: NEEMAN on June 14, 2009, 08:52:38 PM
But google is just buying images. I'm sayuing those images are not satellite images. All you're actually saying is that images described as satellite images are cheaper than other images described as aerial images. You're blathering on about a pricing scheme, but none of this proves that these are satellite images.

What google pay for an image proves nothing about where that image came from.
THE F**KING RESOLUTION DOES. I HAVE STATED THIS BEFORE.
Find me a RS plane system capable of taking a cell of 300km x 400km.

Where is your proof!? Scepticism is not proof you fool.
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