Is FE theory compatible with atheism?

Assume for the sake of argument that the question warrants a response.

Discuss.

Hell = on the bottom of the Earth?

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Yes. Most FE'ers are atheists.
...Your name indicates that you are over obsessive with your atheist perspective.

Quote from: AtheistGuy on November 17, 2008, 05:38:26 PM

Assume for the sake of argument that the question warrants a response.

Discuss.

Yes. Most FE'ers are atheists.
...Your name indicates that you are over obsessive with your atheist perspective.

Lately, yes.  Would it help if I used a different nickname?

Lately, yes.  Would it help if I used a different nickname?

Your name is your business as long as it doesn't conflict with the forum rules.

Assume for the sake of argument that the question warrants a response.

Discuss.

There are some that would suggest that FE would require divine intervention in order for observations to match theory.

there are many who'd say the same for RE

i think the majority of the worlds population would disagree

Quote from: britishgent on November 19, 2008, 06:34:27 AM

there are many who'd say the same for RE

Nope, the defined rules for RE are universal. The Hand of God is not required to step in and arbitrate as is the case with so many things in FE.

Two points firstly just because statement X is false (like the statement divine intervention is required for many things in the RE model) does not meant the statement "there are many who'd say statement X" is false. (Though considering the current number of sincere Flat Earthers, only a subset of whom would agree that the RE model needs divine intervention to work your right that "Many people" is a stretch)
Secondly just out of curiosity what part of the FE model requires a God to work?

A puzzled
Cinlef

The majority of the world's population believe in a creator and a round earth.

The majority of the world's population believe in a creator and a round earth.

True, but I'm not seeing the relevance

A bemused
Cinlef

This is very interesting...  I'd like to ad the thought that lead to this.  Say there was a big bang of sorts (for the sake of arguement of course) and maybe the earth formed while spinning very rapidly and evolution still happened.  Also, somehow the earth was pushed at an acceleration of 9.8 m/s/s or the gravitation from another object beneath the earth pulled on it or SOMETHING crazy that we haven't studied is reponsible.

Hmm... I'm really trying to come up with something that could work, but I do not really see how to make up for gravity.  Maybe an object directly beneath the flat earth is pushing upwards and slowing the decent of our earth at 9.8m/s/s?

It doesn't really seem possible, but it would lead to some interesting ideas about how good the "proof" is from anything, and how to determine which proof is most plausible if somebody could come up with a non-religious based FE theory.

This is very interesting...  I'd like to ad the thought that lead to this.  Say there was a big bang of sorts (for the sake of arguement of course) and maybe the earth formed while spinning very rapidly and evolution still happened.  Also, somehow the earth was pushed at an acceleration of 9.8 m/s/s or the gravitation from another object beneath the earth pulled on it or SOMETHING crazy that we haven't studied is reponsible.

Hmm... I'm really trying to come up with something that could work, but I do not really see how to make up for gravity.  Maybe an object directly beneath the flat earth is pushing upwards and slowing the decent of our earth at 9.8m/s/s?

It doesn't really seem possible, but it would lead to some interesting ideas about how good the "proof" is from anything, and how to determine which proof is most plausible if somebody could come up with a non-religious based FE theory.

Gravity has been discussed many many times on the Forums and many different models and explanations have been put forth. Please read some of those threads before "trying to come up with something that could work" as it would be unfortunate for you to waste your time only to duplicate a model previously discussed.

A frustrated
Cinlef

Quote from: AtheistGuy on November 19, 2008, 06:26:57 PM

This is very interesting...  I'd like to ad the thought that lead to this.  Say there was a big bang of sorts (for the sake of arguement of course) and maybe the earth formed while spinning very rapidly and evolution still happened.  Also, somehow the earth was pushed at an acceleration of 9.8 m/s/s or the gravitation from another object beneath the earth pulled on it or SOMETHING crazy that we haven't studied is reponsible.

Hmm... I'm really trying to come up with something that could work, but I do not really see how to make up for gravity.  Maybe an object directly beneath the flat earth is pushing upwards and slowing the decent of our earth at 9.8m/s/s?

It doesn't really seem possible, but it would lead to some interesting ideas about how good the "proof" is from anything, and how to determine which proof is most plausible if somebody could come up with a non-religious based FE theory.

Gravity has been discussed many many times on the Forums and many different models and explanations have been put forth. Please read some of those threads before "trying to come up with something that could work" as it would be unfortunate for you to waste your time only to duplicate a model previously discussed.

A frustrated
Cinlef

I was not asking for proof in gravity or really trying to come up with a theory, I was just trying to let you know what track of thoughts I was trying to persue.  The search bar is definitely helpful, but religiously telling everybody to make sure they never repeat anything or take the chance of repeating anything is a little ridiculous.  *Make sure you focus on my rant about telling people to look up old threads and the statements I make more then my original question, it will help you troll more*

Merely because FE's don't understand the force constantly accelerating the Earth upwards (assuming this is the FE model of gravity we are discussing) doesn't mean that God is necessary for the model to work. The theory merely posits that some as yet unknown force is accelerating the Earth upwards.Just because something cannot currently be explained by science (in this case physics) doesn't mean that science will never be able to explain it. 

A puzzled
Cinlef

So how was the flat earth formed, if not by a God or Gods?  Any good theories?

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the formation of spherical planets in space closely tied in with how gravity works in the Spherical Earth model, and if so then the radically different conception of gravity in FE theories means that the question how did a Flat Earth form becomes much less pressing, since the formation of spherical planets is not the norm

Also if any actual zeteticists want to jump in that would be great

A weary
Cinlef

So how was the flat earth formed, if not by a God or Gods?  Any good theories?

Honestly, you could be an atheist in ancient times, when nobody had decent theories on anything from gravity to weather to the formation of the Earth under any shape or model.  In modern times, most atheists have a large amount of respect for the scientific method, and when you compare FET to RET under the scientific method, FET is exceptionally weak by comparison, so it is unlikely for atheists to put much weight in it, but it doesn't mean they are mutually exclusive. 

It is however, fallacious to require a viable scientific theory that describes a non-god related origin of a Flat Earth to demonstrate they are not mutually exclusive.

Well, I guess these believers in FE theory had to exist due to statistical probability.  All you have to do is read some advanced science books (written by REers), mold them to your beliefs, and then pass them onto others.  This gives other believers the notion that these ideas were created by by reliable sources that they can then cite.  Or so it would appear.

OMG stop waving your atheist epenis around.

Hey guys, look!

I'M A FUCKING ATHEIST!

OMG stop waving your atheist epenis around.

Quote from: AtheistGuy on November 19, 2008, 08:09:57 PM

Hey guys, look!

I'M A FUCKING ATHEIST!

Why is it such a common ideal that once you become an atheist, you're never supposed to be excited about your newfound ideas and just keep it to yourself?  I'm a firm believer that promoting atheism promotes logic and science, among other things.  So excuse me if I question the idea of the magical being(s) that many were taught to believe in (and most likely from an early and vulnerable stage of life.)

Trust me, you don't have to hear people expressing their opposing beliefs more than I do.  Every politician ends his speeches with "God bless you, and GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!1111", our pledge of allegience: "Under God..." and the Ten Commandments in public buildings, as well as being forced to go to church for years... yea.  When was the last time you were forced to read some Dawkins or hear a public official attest to the absence of a god?  Didn't think so.  /rant (for now)

Politicians shouldn't be allowed to state their belief that their country is good and blessed?

Politicians shouldn't be allowed to state their belief that their country is good and blessed?

Best be trollin' nigger, everybody should be allowed to say what they want, and I don't complain about them doing so unless somebody complains about me doing so.  It's a situational complaint, really.  Of course, nowadays it's practically required for politicians to claim the belief of the majority even if statistically many of them may not. And why does "blessed" mean good?  Personally, I would not want anything about this country to be blessed by the Christian God, the one described in the bible.

nowadays it's practically required for politicians to claim the belief of the majority even if statistically many of them may not

Try China or Japan, althought you will have to claim belief in other things to get far as a politician on those countries.

And putting the ten commandments in a building and people saying 'God' occasionally doesn't amount to religious preaching.

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nowadays it's practically required for politicians to claim the belief of the majority even if statistically many of them may not

Try China or Japan, althought you will have to claim belief in other things to get far as a politician on those countries.

And putting the ten commandments in a building and people saying 'God' occasionally doesn't amount to religious preaching.

If it was only on rare occasion that people refer to a God, but almost everyone shown on the media refers to God.  One person who survives a disaster thanks the God for choosing them to save, a politician claims God to be on his side, or tells Him to bless our country; it really is everywhere!  At my school, for instance, there is a club for Christians.  This is the only club with a religious overtone.

Know that for atheists, when you realize that the possibility of any religion being true at all is absolutely minimal, hearing about everyone's imaginary friends gets annoying.  Very few people have to hear about why atheists believe what they believe, unless they go on the internet often lol

We should censor anything offensive, that'll solve the problem.

We should censor anything offensive, that'll solve the problem.

And who decides what is offensive?  It is my opinion that nobody should ever be censored from giving their views.  If people are going to say something, then they put their own reputation on the line, which should provide adequate incentive for self-censorship on its own.  My hope is to argue for the side of atheism and for people to throw away the oppression of religion.  I do not want to force people to do anything in any hypothetical or actual circumstance, so don't think that that's where I am going with all of this.

I know you struggle hard to cope with oppression, occassionally hearing people say 'god' is very difficult.

Occasionally?  I hear it quite regularly.  Isn't "occasionally" the antonym of "regularly"?

*it is, google says so*

Reasons to preach atheism:

• I don't like people saying 'God' all the time.

Anything more to add to the list?