The "True Earth Map"

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Trekky0623

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Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2008, 09:11:52 AM »
I hope Tom realizes that in order for the sun to work when orbiting over the equator, you would need at least three suns all with conveyor belt type action.  You would need (I believe) at least two during other times without conveyor belt action.


Also, for those of you who want to know how I made the projection, I used this software from NASA which converts equidistant maps to other projections.

And yes, most of us know it is basically an azimuthal projection.
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Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2008, 10:14:16 AM »
Yeah, it funny how every Flat Earth Map produced is simply a cartographers representation of a round earth onto a flat map.  They even calculated the distortions.

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Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2008, 11:11:23 AM »
NO!  I HAVE BEEN DISCOVERED!

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Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2008, 11:23:57 AM »
So does this mean if you travel along the equator you will eventually hit the ice wall?
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Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2008, 11:31:03 AM »
Or be magically teleported to the other side of the map.  That way giving the illusion that you just went around a sphere.

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Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2008, 11:34:41 AM »
There is no icewall.  See map.

Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2008, 12:36:45 PM »
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Also the distances from the Equator are all wrong for Australia. Both Townsville (Queensland - Eastern Australia) and Broom (Western Australia - West Australia) are a similar (not exactly the same but they are two major towns and so easily found) distance from the Equator. In this Map, they are vastly different distances.

The distortions are in the round earth map.

Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2008, 02:06:46 PM »
I think this is new evidence for sky mirrors.

Which double up as teleporters, to make you think youve gone around the equator.

Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2008, 03:32:15 PM »
Wait, no ice wall?

We can't have that, the ocean would leak out everywhere. Perhaps the conspiracy needs to install giant mops around the planet.

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Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2008, 04:04:27 PM »
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Also, for those of you who want to know how I made the projection, I used this software from NASA which converts equidistant maps to other projections.

Using NASA technology to further FE theory?  HERESY!
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Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2008, 06:08:34 PM »
I present to you:

The non-MS Paint True Earth Map



This is still wrong. In this Brisbane (Australia) is further from the "Equator" than Perth (Australia). Brisbane is clearly closer to the Equator than Perth due to the angle of the Sun and the fact that Brisbane is tropical and Perth isn't. Therefore this can not be a "True" map of the Earth as countries are not in their correct places.

Also if you remember my posts about Geodesics:
The lines above and below the "equator" are curved. But if you map these as geodesics (straight lines in non-Euclidean space), then they map out a Sphere. You need to offer an explanation of why they are curved (other than it makes it fit) as there is a reason that these lines are to be considered geodesics: Specifically because the arc that stars and the sun makes indicate that they are geodesics (as the sun is never seen to "turn corners" in the sky at any place, then the lines it follows must be geodesics).
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Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2008, 07:35:03 PM »
I hope Tom realizes that in order for the sun to work when orbiting over the equator, you would need at least three suns all with conveyor belt type action.

This is a fallacy. You are working under the false assumption that the Sun is directly over the equator for a non-infinitesimal period of time. In actuality, the centre of the Sun is only over the Equator for an instant, and therefore a full day does not go by in which that model would be required.
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Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2008, 08:47:55 PM »
Here's what I've been working on for the past couple of hours:

The Political Flat Earth Map:




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Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2008, 09:09:31 PM »
I hope Tom realizes that in order for the sun to work when orbiting over the equator, you would need at least three suns all with conveyor belt type action.

This is a fallacy. You are working under the false assumption that the Sun is directly over the equator for a non-infinitesimal period of time. In actuality, the centre of the Sun is only over the Equator for an instant, and therefore a full day does not go by in which that model would be required.

The sun isn't a point, it has width.  You'd need the three suns for a while.  And after that, two.

But, if you only had two, the sun would be going the wrong way in some parts of the world.

Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #44 on: November 14, 2008, 09:22:34 PM »
I hope Tom realizes that in order for the sun to work when orbiting over the equator, you would need at least three suns all with conveyor belt type action.

This is a fallacy. You are working under the false assumption that the Sun is directly over the equator for a non-infinitesimal period of time. In actuality, the centre of the Sun is only over the Equator for an instant, and therefore a full day does not go by in which that model would be required.

The sun isn't a point, it has width.  You'd need the three suns for a while.  And after that, two.

But, if you only had two, the sun would be going the wrong way in some parts of the world.
But it still doesn't account for the observed motion of the Stars.

Even if you assume that they are somehow being rotated around the North and South pole, this mean that as they approached the equators, the angular distance between the Stars would change, but that is not what is seen. It means that the observed motions of the Stars can't be reconciled with a map like this. So either reality is wrong, or this map is.
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Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #45 on: November 14, 2008, 11:41:16 PM »
This is a fallacy. You are working under the false assumption that the Sun is directly over the equator for a non-infinitesimal period of time.

But each year, the Sun is within its 32 mile diameter (using the FE value since we are talking about a FE map) of the Equator for six days (1 1/2 days on each side of the equinox).  Now that seems to me to be a finite amount of time that the Sun is "over the Equator."  This means that the path that the Sun takes on that map has to be able to have a portion of itself over the Equator for at least that amount of time.

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Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #46 on: November 15, 2008, 07:07:20 AM »
This is a fallacy. You are working under the false assumption that the Sun is directly over the equator for a non-infinitesimal period of time.

But each year, the Sun is within its 32 mile diameter (using the FE value since we are talking about a FE map) of the Equator for six days (1 1/2 days on each side of the equinox).

Rig, is that supposed to be 6 days total or should it be 3 days total?
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Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #47 on: November 15, 2008, 10:06:53 AM »
Rig, is that supposed to be 6 days total or should it be 3 days total?

6 days total.  Three for each equinox.

Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #48 on: November 26, 2008, 01:28:05 AM »
Apparently, the FES doesn't have any response to the questions about their "true FE map."

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Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #49 on: November 26, 2008, 01:47:18 AM »
Here's what I've been working on for the past couple of hours:

The Political Flat Earth Map:


Argentina is as large as the US.

Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #50 on: November 26, 2008, 01:53:47 AM »
Argentina is as large as the US.[/quote]

It also looks like Russia's claim to the largest country on Earth can be seriously challenged by Australia and Brazil.

Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #51 on: November 26, 2008, 05:22:51 AM »
where's new zealand?

Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #52 on: November 26, 2008, 05:24:06 AM »
and how come you can just move australia to other side of the "globe" and get away with it? Also how come.... oh wait I forgot, it's bollocks.

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Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #53 on: November 26, 2008, 10:25:40 AM »

And I though the original map was bad. Not only can you still not explain circumpolar navigation, but now you can actually sail off of the world, east-west travel no longer works, and Australia is the size of Africa.
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Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #54 on: December 02, 2008, 03:42:55 AM »


This is a pretty good representation of sun paths on the Azimuth Equidistant map, and some others. All maps are projections of the EquiRectangular map data I pulled from this site. The AE and CE maps I made with G.projector. Thanks to Trekky for that... It's an awesome program. I comped the images into animations in gimp, then I set up the spheres and the basics for the scene in max, and added more detail in max and gimp...

It started out as just a simple map display but I just kept adding detail... I want to tweak it a bit more, but I think it looks pretty good now. The two larger maps for each set show seasonal sunpath progression, one for noon, and one for midnight GMT. I pulled data for the 5th and 21st of each month. The three smaller maps for each set are a 24 hour sunpath progression for the summer and winter solstices, and just one display for the equinoxes, since they're virtually identical.

Here's the original if you wanted to see more detail of just the maps on their own. Let me know what you think. Yes I'm aware I spelled visualizer wrong.
 
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Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #55 on: December 02, 2008, 06:15:25 AM »
"Those are not the correct maps"


Throwing that out there before tom shows up.

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Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #56 on: December 02, 2008, 08:12:28 AM »
Very nice, but it looks like someone has way too much time on their hands.  :P
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Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #57 on: December 02, 2008, 02:35:47 PM »


This is a pretty good representation of sun paths on the Azimuth Equidistant map, and some others. All maps are projections of the EquiRectangular map data I pulled from this site. The AE and CE maps I made with G.projector. Thanks to Trekky for that... It's an awesome program. I comped the images into animations in gimp, then I set up the spheres and the basics for the scene in max, and added more detail in max and gimp...

It started out as just a simple map display but I just kept adding detail... I want to tweak it a bit more, but I think it looks pretty good now. The two larger maps for each set show seasonal sunpath progression, one for noon, and one for midnight GMT. I pulled data for the 5th and 21st of each month. The three smaller maps for each set are a 24 hour sunpath progression for the summer and winter solstices, and just one display for the equinoxes, since they're virtually identical.

Here's the original if you wanted to see more detail of just the maps on their own. Let me know what you think. Yes I'm aware I spelled visualizer wrong.
 
And here's where FET fails hard: http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=683.0
Like the sun, the stars are also expanding and contracting their diameter as they spin around the hub every six months.

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Re: The "True Earth Map"
« Reply #58 on: December 02, 2008, 07:31:48 PM »
"Those are not the correct maps"

Throwing that out there before tom shows up.

That sounds pretty much like what Tom would say. These 2 maps are it for flat earth maps proposed so far though, so unless he has a new map we can play with, he's going to have to accept that these are the best FE has to offer.

Very nice, but it looks like someone has way too much time on their hands.  :P

That I do... :) The worst part was setting the date/time on earth viewer, saving the 5 sets of 24 source images for the displays, and running all 120 images one at a time through G.projector twice to get azimuth and conic maps. After that it was easier. I just had to set up 15 animated gifs in gimp and convert to avi so I could use them in max. I used the equirectangular map projected on a sphere for the Spheric, so that saved me some work. I went through about 15 versions in max till it looked about right, and then 10 versions in gimp for the detail overlay. Here's how it looked straight out of max, and then with the overlay. Also a peek at my work files folder.


I started on this last Wednesday, but really didn't work on it much Thanksgiving or the day after. :) I'd say I put maybe 7 hours into it total, and all in all it was pretty fun to do. Making graphics is my bread and butter. The raw data processing sucked, but that's all part of doing a project like this. I have all that raw data already processed for future use as well...  Edit: Reposted for the new page.

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