"The Spotlight Sun"

Here is a graphic showing The Terminator on Earth (the fuzzy line between day and night) as of 11 a.m. in the UK (British Summer Time) today, as obtained from http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/uncgi/Earth/action?opt=-p:



And here is the same Terminator projected onto a Flat Earth map (yellow line = literal projection; red line = inhabited lands in daylight:



That is, I think you will agree, a very weird (and highly improbable) shape for "The Spotlight Sun"!

Would anyone care to comment on this?

(The Terminator is, of course, easily explained by assuming that The Earth is a sphere.)

Edit:

I have just realised that my yellow line is wrong as the whole of Antarctica should be in daylight as they have "Midnight Sun" at this time of year.

But the Antarctic "Midnight Sun" is disputed by Flat Earthers ("it's a conspiracy!") so it would be best to focus on the red line which can be verified by ordinary people (who do not work on "government bases" in Antarctica).

Don't hold your breath. Not even Einstein can be invoked to get them out of this one, as seen in this thread I made.

Ooops - it has been covered before (and I think I read that thread now I come to think about it).

My bad.

Here is a graphic showing The Terminator on Earth (the fuzzy line between day and night) as of 11 a.m. in the UK (British Summer Time) today, as obtained from http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/uncgi/Earth/action?opt=-p:
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Very well thought-out question.  Expect a "can you provide personal video evidence of all points on the line at 11 a.m BST?" response any time soon.

Very well thought-out question.  Expect a "can you provide personal video evidence of all points on the line at 11 a.m BST?" response any time soon.

Im in the UK and I can personally testify that the map has always shown sunrise/sunset boundaries accurately. It would be helpful if we could get everybody on the site to note thier day lengths and compare them to the map.

http://i34.tinypic.com/1pv0r7.jpg

That's not the correct map.

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http://i34.tinypic.com/1pv0r7.jpg

That's not the correct map.

Well, since FE famously cant produce "a correct map", I guess we will just have to settle for this one.

That's not the correct map.

It is, however a good principle to challenge FET on. Feel free not to bother reading anything in this thread, just post random things here and there and we'll try to spot the difference between that and your regular replies

Sky mirrors. Actually, just the one sky mirror.

Until it can actually be proven that sky mirrors can produce that pattern (without producing other kinds of weird shit that we don't observe) I'm not buying it as an actual explanation. It's not really so much an explanation as an excuse for not having one

Sky mirrors. Actually, just the one sky mirror.

Fascinating, as Spock would say.

Was this mirror man-made (and if so, by whom?), or is it natural (and if so, how did it come to be?)?

Was this mirror man-made (and if so, by whom?), or is it natural (and if so, how did it come to be?)?

It is a natural formation, a few thousand kilometres above the celestial plane. The exact circumstances of its formation are unknown.

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http://i34.tinypic.com/1pv0r7.jpg

That's not the correct map.

Your Society has been going for a hundred years or more ... and you *still* don't have a Flat Earth map?

:-o

It doesn't matter anyway, because The Terminator isn't going to work for any Flat Earth map.

Quote from: 3 Tesla on October 15, 2008, 03:58:13 PM

Was this mirror man-made (and if so, by whom?), or is it natural (and if so, how did it come to be?)?

It is a natural formation, a few thousand kilometres above the celestial plane. The exact circumstances of its formation are unknown.

Is The Mirror behind The Sun, i.e. further from us than The Sun? (*)

Also: is it stationary with respect to The Earth or does it move around in The Heavens?

Also: any idea what it might be made of (something solid, shiny and smooth, obviously)?

* Edit: "above the celestial plane" = above the 'orbit' of The Sun, obviously.

Also: is it stationary with respect to The Earth or does it move around in The Heavens?

It orbits the North Celestial Pole once every 24 hours, as does the Sun below it.

Also: any idea what it might be made of (something solid, shiny and smooth, obviously)?

Not necessarily solid, as long as there is an equilibrium in place to keep it from changing shape.

Quote from: 3 Tesla on October 15, 2008, 04:05:43 PM

Also: is it stationary with respect to The Earth or does it move around in The Heavens?

It orbits the North Celestial Pole once every 24 hours, as does the Sun below it.

Does its orbit change throughout the year like the sun does?

Does its orbit change throughout the year like the sun does?

I am not certain. Probably not.

Your Society has been going for a hundred years or more ... and you *still* don't have a Flat Earth map?

:-o

It doesn't matter anyway, because The Terminator isn't going to work for any Flat Earth map.

Well, they have this one that Tom has been saying is the "true FE map" lately...



Unfortunately, the Sun patterns would look even more skewed on that map.

As we are close to an Equinox, the shape of The Terminator for today is not even the most difficult to explain in FE. Try December 21, when the daylight in Argentina lasts longer than 14 hours and there is midnight Sun over every latitude South of the Antarctic Circle.

On topic: good question

Off topic: I don't know why there's so much fuss about the Terminator, it's a well known fact that it's sole purpose is to kill Sarah and John Connor.

Until it can actually be proven that sky mirrors can produce that pattern (without producing other kinds of weird shit that we don't observe) I'm not buying it as an actual explanation. It's not really so much an explanation as an excuse for not having one

come on steve.. at least try and prove the "sky mirrors" theory. Not that it is true, only that it works.. cos I really don't think it does

Quote from: Munky Fidget on October 15, 2008, 02:37:40 PM

Until it can actually be proven that sky mirrors can produce that pattern (without producing other kinds of weird shit that we don't observe) I'm not buying it as an actual explanation. It's not really so much an explanation as an excuse for not having one

come on steve.. at least try and prove the "sky mirrors" theory. Not that it is true, only that it works.. cos I really don't think it does

The Sky Mirror (Osama) *and* the "hall of mirrors effect" in the "upper Antarctic strata" (Tom Bishop) ...

Together they are highly plausible, surely?

Quote from: 3 Tesla on October 16, 2008, 04:35:17 AM

Together they are highly plausible, surely?

Captain! We're reading dangerous levels of sarcasm in this area!

Drat! Your sarcasm detectors have found me out!

I *was* going to use the (UK T.V. subtitle) sarcasm punctuation mark, but I got cold feet:

Together they are highly plausible, surely(!)

Edit:

"Captain! We're reading dangerous levels of sarcasm in this area!"

That is to be read in a Scottish/Scotty accent, right?

She cannay take any more, cap'n!

Quote from: 3 Tesla on October 16, 2008, 04:35:17 AM

Together they are highly plausible, surely?

Captain! We're reading dangerous levels of sarcasm in this area!

Please disable your sarcasmometer while viewing the FES forums. The sarcasm is so thick in these parts, you shouldn't need it anyway.

a mirror would cause two suns to be visible in the sky.

Incorrect.

Sky Mirrors. Hypopthesis of sky mirrors is undeveloped, includes a large appeal to ignorance and is largely unworkable, since a mirror would cause two suns to be visible in the sky.

Correct.

See I can make one word answers too.

Quote from: Munky Fidget on October 15, 2008, 02:37:40 PM

Until it can actually be proven that sky mirrors can produce that pattern (without producing other kinds of weird shit that we don't observe) I'm not buying it as an actual explanation. It's not really so much an explanation as an excuse for not having one

come on steve.. at least try and prove the "sky mirrors" theory. Not that it is true, only that it works.. cos I really don't think it does

Comments?

(Does that count as a one word question?)

Quote from: Munky Fidget on October 16, 2008, 02:32:21 AM

Quote from: Munky Fidget on October 15, 2008, 02:37:40 PM

Until it can actually be proven that sky mirrors can produce that pattern (without producing other kinds of weird shit that we don't observe) I'm not buying it as an actual explanation. It's not really so much an explanation as an excuse for not having one

come on steve.. at least try and prove the "sky mirrors" theory. Not that it is true, only that it works.. cos I really don't think it does

Comments?

(Does that count as a one word question?)

Yes!

:-)

Quote from: Munky Fidget on October 16, 2008, 02:32:21 AM

Quote from: Munky Fidget on October 15, 2008, 02:37:40 PM

Until it can actually be proven that sky mirrors can produce that pattern (without producing other kinds of weird shit that we don't observe) I'm not buying it as an actual explanation. It's not really so much an explanation as an excuse for not having one

come on steve.. at least try and prove the "sky mirrors" theory. Not that it is true, only that it works.. cos I really don't think it does

Comments?

(Does that count as a one word question?)

I will once I have a better idea of what shape it would take. I'm still not sure exactly how it would be shaped to produce the effect that is observed.

Quote from: Munky Fidget on October 17, 2008, 02:13:29 AM

Quote from: Munky Fidget on October 16, 2008, 02:32:21 AM

Quote from: Munky Fidget on October 15, 2008, 02:37:40 PM

Until it can actually be proven that sky mirrors can produce that pattern (without producing other kinds of weird shit that we don't observe) I'm not buying it as an actual explanation. It's not really so much an explanation as an excuse for not having one

come on steve.. at least try and prove the "sky mirrors" theory. Not that it is true, only that it works.. cos I really don't think it does

Comments?

(Does that count as a one word question?)

I will once I have a better idea of what shape it would take. I'm still not sure exactly how it would be shaped to produce the effect that is observed.

So, in other words, you're just making this stuff up.  Again.   

I hate to tell you this, but, the whole FE theory is a spit in the face of Scientific method.

From Wikipedia "To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.[1] A scientific method consists of the collection of data through observation and experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses.[2]"

What FE is doing is the opposite. The only evidence used in FE is evidence that supports your theory. All other evidence is thrown out the window. Then, when all the evidence that is around you strongly refutes your position, you just make up some crazy, unsupported theory to support your other unsupported theory.

So, there are seriously mirrors up in space that are floating around that are focusing the sunlight in one place so that that there is darkness in other places? Seriously? That stupid Spherical earth theory just doesn't cut it. I mean, if the earth is a perfect sphere, then the time zones and the light in different times works without some kind of ET flying around in space. Ever heard of Occam's Razor?