ATTENTION: Undeniable Proof The Earth Is Flat. <<TRUTH>>

Click on the link to get a quick visual, its old, but so is the Earth.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/dogplatter/flatmap.jpg

The Sun and Moon are the same size as I previously quoted from Enoch's book, the Sun rides a circle around the flat Earth by 6 different gates, I could only find this link that would give you a visual, it only contain 3 separating the seasons but you'll have a good idea.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Flat_Earth_Seasons.svg

This link will show the reality of the Sun's journey.
http://earthdeception.googlepages.com/winter_solstice_pivato.jpg/winter_solstice_pivato-custom;size:640,277.jpg

As the Sun rides its path in a circle around the Earth when closer to the center the North pole receives only day-light during that period and we experience summer in North America, and when the Sun ventures further (the big circle) its light doesn’t reach the North pole and thereby experiences only night while we experience winter.

2Enoch.Chapter 48

[1]That the sun go along the seven heavenly circles, which are the appointment of one hundred and eighty-two thrones, that it go down on a short day, and again one hundred and eighty-two, that it go down on a big day.

[2]And thus it goes close to the earth, then the earth is glad and makes grow its fruits, and when it goes away, then the earth is sad, and trees and all fruits have no florescence.

North pole is actually in the center of the flat Earth and only in the "North pole" is the 6 months day/night possible, because in the South pole as we've been taught as Antarctica is a creation of science, the south pole station of Amundsen-Scott is located close to the Ice Wall surrounding the Earth and government funded to maintain this illusion. 

The North pole is the only place where 6 months of light and darkness can and has been documented, according to science if the Earth spun on her axis this could not take place. The link shows the North axis is tilted away from the Sun in Dec, thereby no day-light, and in June towards the Sun, thereby no nights, but in the March and Sept position the North axis gets half light/half night, under this failed THEORY the Earth is flat.
http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/images/seasons.jpg

Also, according to science theory of Earth, the Moon at some point would find herself between the Earth and Sun, this would mean that the waning and waxing crescents would only be seen in the day time, for when the Earth would spin on her axis turning away from the Sun you couldn't see the Moon's crescents, but you do, and you do at night.
http://home.hiwaay.net/~krcool/Astro/moon/moonphase/MoonAni.gif

If the Earth was round there would be flights cutting short the distances by going over the poles, click on these flight paths to discover what has been hidden from you.
http://www.airlineroutemaps.com/USA/img/FedEx.gif
http://www.airlineroutemaps.com/Latin_America/img/Aerolineas_Argentinas.jpg

As you will note no flights take place over the poles, you can't on flat Earth, for Asia to get to North America the quickest route would be to go over the North pole, but as you can see it flies around.
http://www.airlineroutemaps.com/West_Asia/Air_India.shtml

I will now explain why they don't fly over the North pole even on a flat Earth, but first I want to share with you the Flat Earth map attributed to a person named Wilbur Voliva by quoting Holy scriptures.

2Enoch. Chapter 27

[1]I made foundation of light around the water, and created seven circles from inside, and imaged the water like crystal wet and dry, that is to say like glass, and the circumcession of the waters and the other elements, and I showed each one of them its road, and the seven stars each one of them in its heaven, that they go thus, and I saw that it was good.

and imaged the water like crystal wet and dry, that is to say like glass
and imaged the water like crystal wet and dry, that is to say like glass

This is the ICE WALL you see around the flat Earth, the seven circles are the Continents.

Chapter 28

[1]And then I made firm the heavenly circle, and made that the lower water which is under heaven collect itself together, into one whole, and that the chaos become dry, and it became so.

[2]Out of the waves I created rock hard and big, and from the rock I piled up the dry, and the dry I called earth, and the midst of the earth I called abyss, that is to say the bottomless, I collected the sea in one place and bound it together with a yoke.

and the midst of the earth I called abyss
and the midst of the earth I called abyss

The abyss is where the Fallen Angels are heading, it is also the North pole and that for the time being GOD has capped it (off) with ice, the fallen angels when designing our world made it that when they would be flying around the globe they did not want to see the abyss as a reminder of where they'd be going so they carefully structured the paths around the North pole.

These Are The Days Of Noah.

Paradise Eden link: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22446.msg458642#msg458642
No Planets link: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22447.0
Abyss link: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22517.0

You're not funny.

You're not funny.

I'm a little frightened.

Shall I poke him and see if he's real?

You're not funny.

Pick-up a newspaper and see what's going on in the world, it isn't funny!!!

I just said that to beat Saddam for once.

Interesting post, in that you've proved Round Earth theory with most of your argument, especially that graphic of the solstices and equinoxes (taken from a "bird's eye view" north of the plane of the ecliptic).

If the Earth was round there would be flights cutting short the distances by going over the poles, click on these flight paths to discover what has been hidden from you.
http://www.airlineroutemaps.com/USA/img/FedEx.gif
http://www.airlineroutemaps.com/Latin_America/img/Aerolineas_Argentinas.jpg

As you will note no flights take place over the poles, you can't on flat Earth, for Argentina to get to Australia the quickest route would be to go over the South pole, but as you can see it flies around.

Don't confuse a "route map" with a "flight vector map." For example, with the Fed Ex map, almost all their European flights begin or end in Memphis. So why do the lines spread so far out before converging on European cities? Because this is a drawing for people to be able to follow the lines with their eyes.

For better "flight vector" maps, consider the following:
http://tinyurl.com/66xnvk

This shows four flights, all from Memphis, TN, to: Paris, London, Rome, and Barcelona. Notice that the lines follow an upward curve (great circle route to minimize fuel) and are all bunched together.

Now as for why flights don't go over the south pole, its simple: the vector doesn't require it. Here are the flight vectors among three Southern Hemisphere cities: Johannesburg, Buenos Aires, and Sydney:
http://tinyurl.com/57pqf8

Great circle routes minimize the distance travelled, and with the price of gas, you can be sure that airlines are concerned with saving fuel!

Interesting post, in that you've proved Round Earth theory with most of your argument, especially that graphic of the solstices and equinoxes (taken from a "bird's eye view" north of the plane of the ecliptic).

You provided the wrong excerpts from my thread, you should have focused on this one, you know, the one where if the Earth revolved around the Sun there would only be 3 months day/3 months night in the poles, unlike what's been documented by a good buddy who's been there, but only in the North is this possible, because in the south pole as we've been taught as Antarctica, its not THERE.

The link below shows the North pole or North axis tilted away from the Sun in Dec, therefore no day-light, and in June towards the Sun, therefore no nights, but in the March and Sept position the North axis gets half light - half night, this would mean that 6 months of day-light could NEVER happen under this THEORY, it would be 3 months of only day and another 3 months of only night, the rest of the year would be in between.
http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/images/seasons.jpg

Also, according to science theory of Earth, the Moon at some point would find herself between the Earth and Sun, this would mean that the waning and waxing crescents would only be seen in the day time, for when the Earth would spin on her axis turning away from the Sun you couldn't see the Moon's crescents, but you do, and you do at night.
http://home.hiwaay.net/~krcool/Astro/moon/moonphase/MoonAni.gif

You provided the wrong excerpts from my thread, you should have focused on this one, you know, the one where if the Earth revolved around the Sun there would only be 3 months day/3 months night in the poles, unlike what's been documented by a good buddy who's been there, but only in the North is this possible, because in the south pole as we've been taught as Antarctica, its not THERE.

Please inform these folks who actually live there.
http://www.southpolestation.com/

The link below shows the North pole or North axis tilted away from the Sun in Dec, therefore no day-light, and in June towards the Sun, therefore no nights, but in the March and Sept position the North axis gets half light - half night, this would mean that 6 months of day-light could NEVER happen under this THEORY, it would be 3 months of only day and another 3 months of only night, the rest of the year would be in between.

I think you're confusing the four diagrams with being "the only four possibilities." In reality, the diagrams only show a brief instant in time, once every three months. For yourself, you have to picture a spinning earth (the yellow dot, North Pole would remain fixed), with the daylight coming from the sun.

Let's follow the pattern starting with Northern Hemisphere Winter.
http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/images/seasons.jpg

• The North Pole is in continual night, as shown in the image of the December Solstice, but the sky is brightening as the earth approaches the March Equinox (the end of winter).
• On the day of the march equinox, the sun will make its first appearance at the North Pole. It will now be continually daylight through Spring.
• When the June Solstice arrives the entire Arctic Circle will be experiencing 24-hour daylight. As the summer passes, the sun will get lower and lower in the sky at the North Pole.
• Finally at the September Equinox, it will touch the horizon, marking the beginning of 6 months of night. Again, more and more of land inside the Arctic Circle will get continual night, until at the December Solstice, the entire Arctic will have 24-hours of night.

Also, according to science theory of Earth, the Moon at some point would find herself between the Earth and Sun, this would mean that the waning and waxing crescents would only be seen in the day time, for when the Earth would spin on her axis turning away from the Sun you couldn't see the Moon's crescents, but you do, and you do at night.
http://home.hiwaay.net/~krcool/Astro/moon/moonphase/MoonAni.gif

Remember the earth spins on its axis once a day, while the moon orbits the earth in 28 days. Every day the sun rises and sets, and likewise the moon also rises and sets. If the moon has risen, you should be able to see it, day or night, athough a "new moon" is almost impossible to see without special equipment, since you're looking almost directly at the sun.
http://www.teachersparadise.com/ency/en/media/7/72/lunar_phase_diagram.png

Good scientific questions! Keep them coming. 

Please inform these folks who actually live there.
http://www.southpolestation.com/

Do you mean the government employees who live at the government funded and controlled base there?

Quote from: Punisher on August 19, 2008, 03:35:13 PM

You provided the wrong excerpts from my thread, you should have focused on this one, you know, the one where if the Earth revolved around the Sun there would only be 3 months day/3 months night in the poles, unlike what's been documented by a good buddy who's been there, but only in the North is this possible, because in the south pole as we've been taught as Antarctica, its not THERE.

Please inform these folks who actually live there.
http://www.southpolestation.com/

Good scientific questions! Keep them coming. 

I'm not too impressed with that link, here's one about the Mars landing.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/main/index.html

Only planets don't exist, especially the round ones, lol.

All numbers in KM
times = x
divide = ~

To find out if the planet Venus really exist, we would have to find out at what orbital distance Venus would look the same size of the Sun as the Moon does from Earth.

Now, for the Moon to carry the illusion of seemingly being the same size as the Sun, a distance of 149,600,000 kilometers is needed, it is NEEDED, because by arguing that its the distance between the Moon and Earth that causes the illusion won't hold true for very long.

If you would for a moment picture that the Earth was orbiting where Venus is (108,200,000) orbital plane, Earth by scientific calculations would fit along the Sun's DIAMETER about 30 times, the Moon regardless that she be so close to Earth would be dwarfed from the size of the Sun, because the Sun would completely cover our blue skies, so, its not the relationship distance that the Moon holds with Earth that creates the illusion, but the distance the Moon holds with the Sun, its that distance that creates the optical illusion of being the same size.

Venus to encompass that optical illusion she would have to distance herself away from the Sun in equivalency to that of the Moon, the Moon is 399.88 smaller then the Sun, we would have to divide the distance of the Moon from the Sun by 399.88 and then multiply by how many times Venus is smaller then the Sun.

Sun (diameter) 1,390,000 ~ Moon (diameter) 3476 = 399.88
Sun (diameter) 1,390,000 ~ Venus (diameter) 12,103 = 114.84

Sun - Moon (distance) 149,600,000 ~ 399.88 = [374,112.23] x 114.84 = 42,963,048.49

Venus at 42 million kilometer from the Sun would create the optical illusion of having the appearance of the size we see our Sun in our sky. Science tells us that Venus occupies the 108,200,000 kilometer position from the Sun a (difference) of 65,236,951.6 km from her original orbit a quick division establishes her true size at 108,200,000 km.

108,200,000 ~ 42,963,048.49 = 2.51

Venus would appear 2 and ½ times the size of the Sun as seen from Earth.

End of Illusion 1

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Please inform these folks who actually live there.
http://www.southpolestation.com/

Do you mean the government employees who live at the government funded and controlled base there?

Thanks Tom Bishop, you opened my eyes on the flat Earth truth, GOD Bless.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on August 19, 2008, 04:55:14 PM

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Please inform these folks who actually live there.
http://www.southpolestation.com/

Do you mean the government employees who live at the government funded and controlled base there?

Thanks Tom Bishop, you opened my eyes on the flat Earth truth, GOD Bless.

I would just go back to my home forum if I was you. 

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Please inform these folks who actually live there.
http://www.southpolestation.com/

Do you mean the government employees who live at the government funded and controlled base there?

So all governments are conspiring together? Because we are not the only country there or that has been there my friend.

I would just go back to my home forum if I was you. 

But your not me, in fact, if I'd have to pretend to be you, I'd be right here, with me! ROTF
 

Quote from: Tom Bishop on August 19, 2008, 04:55:14 PM

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Please inform these folks who actually live there.
http://www.southpolestation.com/

Do you mean the government employees who live at the government funded and controlled base there?

So all governments are conspiring together? Because we are not the only country there or that has been there my friend.

Yeah, just once I'd like Tim Belhop to expand on "Government".

So all governments are conspiring together?

Did you read the FAQ?

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So all governments are conspiring together?

Did you read the FAQ?

Yeah, Zeekman, did you read the FAQ to learn that 1,045 people (1,000 of them ice guards, guarding the entire perimeter of earth) know about this?  It's totally obvious when you think about it if you're really stoned. 

To find out if the planet Venus really exist, we would have to find out at what orbital distance Venus would look the same size of the Sun as the Moon does from Earth.
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Venus would appear 2 and ½ times the size of the Sun as seen from Earth.

End of Illusion 1

Let me get this straight, to prove Venus exists, it must appear the same size as our Sun and Moon? And then after you ran your calculations, you found it must appear 2.5 times as big as the Sun? I don't follow.

Interesting info about Venus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus

Do you mean the government employees who live at the government funded and controlled base there?

Oooooh, you got me there, Tom. The government. How could I have missed it? 

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Please inform these folks who actually live there.
http://www.southpolestation.com/

Do you mean the government employees who live at the government funded and controlled base there?

Wait, how can it be government controlled?  I thought that our governments were being fooled along with us by the conspirators. 

This proves nothing.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on August 19, 2008, 04:55:14 PM

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Please inform these folks who actually live there.
http://www.southpolestation.com/

Do you mean the government employees who live at the government funded and controlled base there?

Wait, how can it be government controlled?  I thought that our governments were being fooled along with us by the conspirators. 

I'm beginning to suspect that everyone in the government, ALL the governments, are actually part of a big collective....they're basically just drones, all sharing the same collective consciouness and being controlled by a weirdly attractive alien chick who dresses up in high-tech looking skin tight body suits, and repeatedly tells us how futile any resistance on our part is.

Let me get this straight, to prove Venus exists, it must appear the same size as our Sun and Moon? And then after you ran your calculations, you found it must appear 2.5 times as big as the Sun? I don't follow.

Let's try a different scenario.

Some hard-core science fundamentalist will argue that the distance relationship between the Earth and Moon is a factor in conjunction with the distance from the Sun for the Moon to appear the same size as the Sun from Earth, the argument being that both are needed to create this well calibrated illusion, and for Venus to reflect that illusion this theory must be factored in, I say, lets find out.

Venus (diameter) 12,103.6 km ~ Moon (diameter) 3476 km = 3.4820 times larger then Moon, for Venus to look the same size of the Sun as the Moon does from Earth, we would have to calculate the distance of the Moon from the Earth and multiply it 3.4820 times. Venus is 3.4820 times larger then the Moon, therefore, a distance 3.4820 times away from Earth is needed to create the same optical illusion the Moon does with the Sun.

Moon distance from Earth: 384,400 km x 3.4820 = 1,338,480.8 km.

Venus would have to be 1,338,480.8 kilometers away from Earth to look the same size of the Sun as the Moon does from Earth. And since the Earth is 149,600,000 km away from the Sun, Venus would have to orbit at 148,261,519.2 from the Sun.

[149,600,000] - [1,338,480.8] = 148,261,519.2 km.

At this orbit is where the fundamentalist have calculated that Venus will appear 1/1 in diameter to the Sun, and at the 108,200,000 kilometer mark Venus is 1/30 in diameter to Sun, consistent with the transit sightings and the fact that field experts who went out in space and have measured the Sun put Venus at 1/114 diameter to the Sun, this math is incorrect, science ascribes that the diameter of the Sun shrinks the closer Venus gets to Earth, the diameter of the Sun remains the same but the illusion of grandeur that Venus projects because she gets closer to Earth is what must be considered, I have considered this and tabulated it carefully and accurately.

If I stand 5'11 before you, am I not still 5'11 a mile away from you, yes, I am!

Venus doesn't become the true size of the Sun, only the illusion that distance creates because the Sun is so far away, so one must calculate where Venus should be to capture the wholeness of the Sun's illusion and that point/orbit becomes 100% of the optical illusion as seen from Earth, and where by Venus standing next to the Sun being zero%, because at that closeness there would be no more illusion but reality.

So, Venus at 148,261,519.2 km in orbit would project 100% optical illusion of being the same size as the Sun seen from Earth, when resuming to her original orbit at 108,200,000 km Venus would lose a certain percentage of that optic when viewed from Earth, to calculate that lose we’ll put the hypothetical orbit on a percentage scale and divide into her original position from the Sun.

108,200,000 km ~ 148,261,519.2 km = 72.97% Venus RETAINS in size compared to our Sun as it appears like in our skies. OPTICS

End of Illusion 2

Some hard-core science fundamentalist will argue that the distance relationship between the Earth and Moon is a factor in conjunction with the distance from the Sun for the Moon to appear the same size as the Sun from Earth, the argument being that both are needed to create this well calibrated illusion...

I agree with every word. Tiny Moon must be a lot closer to Earth to appear the same size as Huge Sun. But remember that the Earth-Moon distance is nearly constant, and the Earth-Sun distance is also nearly constant (orbits are slightly elliptical). But the Earth-Venus distance changes all the time.

...and for Venus to reflect that illusion this theory must be factored in, I say, lets find out.

That's where you lose me. The planet Venus appears to be an especially bright star. Even when it is as closest as it ever gets to Earth, it still appears as a bright star (but so bright it can be seen in the daytime, sometimes).

Your math appears to be quite interesting (I'm a math guy), but I can't even begin to follow your calculations if I don't understand your premise. 

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...and for Venus to reflect that illusion this theory must be factored in, I say, lets find out.

That's where you lose me. The planet Venus appears to be an especially bright star. Even when it is as closest as it ever gets to Earth, it still appears as a bright star (but so bright it can be seen in the daytime, sometimes).

Your math appears to be quite interesting (I'm a math guy), but I can't even begin to follow your calculations if I don't understand your premise. 

Try this version, I think we'll get now!
http://pastebin.com/f58581b97

Your explanations seems quite convoluted to me but I think what you are saying is that there is a problem with stated planetary dimensions because Venus doesn't completely block out the Sun? It probably would if it was a lot closer to the Earth than it ever is. Some single digit multiplication of the Moon's orbit I'm guessing.

Your explanations seems quite convoluted to me but I think what you are saying is that there is a problem with stated planetary dimensions because Venus doesn't completely block out the Sun? It probably would if it was a lot closer to the Earth than it ever is. Some single digit multiplication of the Moon's orbit I'm guessing.

Let me dumb it down as though I were 9 years old, if Venus existed, she would from Earth look like this.

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/263/mycollagezi2.jpg

No. Venus looks exactly the way it does now. As a point to the naked eye or as a small disc through a telescope.

Your maths is incorrect. Go back up to grade 10 and see if you can find out where you went wrong. There's a good lad.

No. Venus looks exactly the way it does now. As a point to the naked eye or as a small disc through a telescope.

Your maths is incorrect. Go back up to grade 10 and see if you can find out where you went wrong. There's a good lad.

You said grade 10 because I said I would explain Venus to you like a 9 year old, you figured after 9 years old comes grade 10, yours is the math that's incorrect you can't even think straight, you should go back to grade school, no wait, kindergarten, heck that's to difficult at this point, make it daycare. ROTF