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News: The Flat Earth Society's new website has launched and the Society is officially accepting new members for the first time since 2001!

[Condraz23]

Do any flat-Earthers here believe that there are other biological species within this universe apart from the organisms living within our planet?

[Erasmus]

This is more of an alternate science issue than a flat-Earth issue, so.....

[killervenom47]

So what?
Moved?
I knew it.

[Chaltier]

Do any flat-Earthers here believe that there are other biological species within this universe apart from the organisms living within our planet?

Within our planet? Hm, I don't know of any there, either, but assuming you mean "on," not "within," no, I do not believe in other biological species besides those that exist on Earth.


--Chal

[Knight]

Within our planet? Hm, I don't know of any there, either, but assuming you mean "on," not "within," no, I do not believe in other biological species besides those that exist on Earth.

He could mean "within" and "on."  And if you don't know of any creatures living "within," then I suppose you've never once dug a hole in the ground and found an earthworm.  But anyway...

Yes, Condraz23, I believe that there must be "biological species" (i.e. "life") elsewhere in the universe.  However, I'm not a flat-earther.

[Chaltier]

...if you don't know of any creatures living "within," then I suppose you've never once dug a hole in the ground and found an earthworm.

I almost elaborated more on that point, perhaps stating how deep in the Earth I was referring to, but it would have destroyed the semi-humourous nature of the statement.


--Chal

[Dionysios]

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[Yardstick2006]

To give a short answer:  

  UFO's are for real.  An Russian Orthodox priest by the name of Seraphim Rose hit the nail on the head several years ago when he said that UFO's are demons.  

Long answer:  

  Many conservative protestants deny that they exist at all and that it is an assinine hoax.  The good thing about this point of view is that it discourages contact and interaction and interest with UFO's.  AS UFO's are certainly an evil thing to be avoided.  They are real however.  Demons can take many forms.  They take those which will be the most deeptive to modern men.  IT is the same demonic being whether he is imitating a ghost or a dead person at a seance or even imitating a dead relative to someone having an out of body experience in order to deceive the person.  Orthodox Christian literature is full of accounts of demons involved in deceptions and taking false outward forms.  Most of the accounts of UFO's and UFO abductions bear many of the same characteristics as those of demonic encounters in OrthodoxChristian as well as non-Orthodox literature.  In UFO accounts, often a feeling of great cold as well as a horrible stench is often encountered.  This is often the case with demonic encounters in Ortohodox literature.  "Aliens" are always hostile to Christian Orthodoxy.  This is true when supernatural beings are encountered in non-Christian literature.  I know of a specific buddhist account very similar to "alien abduction" from the early nineteenth century where the "wise old man" told his young Chinese disciple that in a land to the north were images of Cross and of a Woman with a Child.   This "old man" told his deceived disciple that these images were evil.  It is obvious that the images were Christian ikons and the land to the north was Russia.  Demons hate Christian Orthodoxy.

  In the fourteenth century, a certain Orthodox priest placed his son (a married Christian man can become a priest, but not a monk, in Orthodoxy) in a monastery.  Soon afeterward, a demon came and took the buy physically to a far away place, and through the priest;s prayers was forced to return him shortly.  The priest was so scared after what had happened that he removed the boy from the monastery.

  My point is that "alien abduction" is nothing new, but it is becoming more common.  The fact that it is becoming more common is an indication that the world is becoming more demonized.  And the people that are returned after being abducted have so deceived that they are actually promoting peace and unity with the "aliens" who are actually demons in the service of Satan.  The same goes for Steven Spielberg's movies such as "Close Encounters" and "ET."  It is no surprise to me that thedirector of such movies would be jewish, as ever since they rejected Jesus Christ, their religion and their literature have been the keys to the occult sciences.

  Several references to those sharing my views on this point are many works by the distinguished and erudite French researcher Jacques Vallee (he has presented reports - in person - to the General Secretary of the United Nations on the subject since Kurt Waldheim in the 1970's among other distinctions) including his magnum opus "Messengers of Deception."  The following is an interview with him concerning the reality and the evil of UFO's.  However, as the interviewer warns you had better hold on to your beanie cap as it really digs into the subject:

http://www.boomspeed.com/joseph2/page6.htm

Also, UFO's are the subjectof a forty page chapter in Seraphim Rose's book "Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future":

http://www.sainthermanpress.com/catalog/chapter_one/orf_book.htm

Finally, the more recent 'Cracks in the Great Wall' by Charles Upton (2005) is a well read book exposing the truth about UFO's:

http://www.sophiaperennis.com/upton_cracks.html

-Dionysios

Thats retarded. Aliens are from other planets, they are not demons.

Stupidass.

[Erasmus]

Aliens are from other planets, they are not demons.

Yeah, duh, like, everybody knows that.

Stupidass.

[FE is BS]

imo., we're not even the only living organisms in our solar system.... let alone the universe....

can't wait to see what europa, enceladus hold....

even venus, possibly the most hostile planet in the solar system could have some kind of life in its dense atmosphere....


so i do not discount the possiblilty of extraterrestial life.... intelligent life...



dionysios: i think there have been extra solar planets found.... they are bigger then juptier, but planets nonetheless....

[Erasmus]

Dionysios: so basically, your argument that UFOs are really demons boils down to the observation that some UFO sightings resemble some stories about demons?

What do you think about the possibility that hundreds of years ago, people were curious/afraid of demons, and so attributed unusual phenomena to demonic mischief; but are now curious/afraid of UFOs, and so attribute unusual phenomena to extraterrestrial mischief?

I claim that the similarities between stories about demons and stories about UFOs are present because the people telling the stories are similar, not because the events themselves are.

[FE is BS]

good point

[Dionysios]

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[Yardstick2006]

@Diony

First off, it is clear to me that you are one of those fire and brimstone Bible literalists. Second, in other posts you have said that you disbelive the Holocaust and you go on to say that Jews drink blood and sacrifice people. So, you will forgive me if I take what you say with a grain of salt. Aliens are not demons, demons belong in folklore, along with unicorns, elves and pixies. Astronomy is not evil, it is simply a way of understanding the the universe and the Earth's place in it. I suggest you put down that Bible of yours and learn a little bit about the world and the different people in it. I think you will find that it is a lot easier to be open minded and tolerant that being dogmatic and ignorant.

Welcome to the 21st Century.

[Erasmus]

This was very much a part of the Montauk project based on eastern Long Island which took place while Hubbard was in the Navy.

Can you tell me more about this Montauk project?  I may have a chance in the near future to visit the area...

Inferences that they are planets are drawn from modern opinions (in ALL probability first suggested by demons) that invented a ridiculous esoteric interpretaion of telescopic observation of the objects (such as "analysis" of the colours) to make unwarranted conclusions like it is a "planet" or temperature determining age, et cetera.

Yeah but....

This is actually material for another post,

Ah, okay.

I have a question for Erasmus.  You say people reporting demons are similar to people reporting aliens.  I would agree with this, but you doubt the equivalency of demons and aliens on what ground other than your opinion or it is the first time you have heard that perspective?

I don't particularly see evidence that either of these phenomena (demons or UFOs) are what they are purported to be, so I don't really have a strong opinion about it.

Thus, when similarities between them are pointed out, I admit that I seek reasons why they might seem similar to the people who say so, rather, than seeking reason why they might not be similar.

On the other hand, my own understanding of what typical reports of these events entail includes many dissimilarities between demons and UFOs, which reinforces my confidence in the decision I made.

Perhaps you do not necessarily believe such old stories from the Lives of the Saints.

Certainly no more than I believe the Odyssey or Paul Bunyan or the tall tales of Norse or Scandanavian mythology.

This is the root of our differences.

Yup.

-Erasmus

[speedofsound]

Do I think extraterarestrial life exsits? Most ceartainley. Do I think they have visited our planet? No chance. I think ETs are a possobilitie because what are the chances that we are the only organisms to develope our code of DNA. Do I beileve in god? Yes. I beileve that god made a universe in which ceartain happenings can take place to form a stran of DNA that would create life. Whose to say other DNA has not formed? That DNA could be exactley like ours or completley different, resulting in the hollywood ETs we see today.
Or there is a possibilite(slight) that the same DNA has developed to form humans such as ourselves. With the way the human brain thnks its all a matter of time. Another race of humans could have evolved right now and they are on there way to 21st century technoligies.

[cadmium_blimp]

I always thought it was just drunk rednecks attracted to shiny objects that saw UFOs.

[EnCrypto]

Dio...

1) Big difference between UFOs and ET life. Your post was just strawman BS.

2) Soooo you're saying that demons look like this ?

3) If what Yardstick said is true about you not believing in the Holocaust, then fuck you. A big fuck you. That is loathesome. It's one thing to say that scientists or government officials are lying about the Earth being round, but to suggest that the horrors that survivors tell isn't true, and to suggest that the numbers tattooed on their arms are fake is dispicable.

4) In addition to the above, you know shit about your Bible. Yeah, I said it. You can't just read the Bible by itself, you have to know the history of it.

Jews drinking blood and sacrificing people? Jesus was a Jew, remember? And did you also know that there were hundreds of other people, before and after Jesus, who claimed to be The Messiah? They also performed miracles and were also crucified. And the Jews didn't kill Jesus, the Romans did, to set an example, to intimidate the Jews.

[DrQuak]

did you know that about 5 years after the death of christ another man by the name of Jesus was arrested, claiming to be the messiah, practically demanding to be crucified... the Romans just threw him back out on the streets ;-)


And Dio ofc you beleive in an extraterristial. Hell you couldn't beleive in the religion you say you do if you don't. Considering God created this planet he could not possibly be of this planet, he is therefore, by definition, not of earth, extraterrastial. pedantic definition of it though ;-)