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TeflonTuxedo

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Evidence against Flat Earth
« on: July 16, 2007, 06:42:53 PM »
Just a thought here, but just a wall of ice won't keep the air in. It would need a ceiling, too. This is because the first law of matter (I think it's the first) states that matter moves from the most concentrated area to the least concentrated area. Therefore, the air would flow upward into space, leaving earth to freeze. And centrifugal force wouldn't hold it in, either, because that only works when the earth is spinning vertically. Like I said before, this is just a thought, and could be proven wrong for all I know.
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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2007, 06:45:29 PM »
Quote from: TeflonTuxedo on July 16, 2007, 06:42:53 PM
This is because the first law of matter (I think it's the first) states that matter moves from the most concentrated area to the least concentrated area.
Perhaps you mean fluids. 

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And centrifugal force wouldn't hold it in, either, because that only works when the earth is spinning vertically.
It's a good thing that's not the explanation.
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Ferdinand Magellen

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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2007, 06:51:49 PM »
The FE model is like a cup or a pot flying vertically upward, thus keeping in the matter. Its constant linear acceleration is, per them, what keeps the "atmolayer" in.
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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2007, 07:23:06 PM »
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Perhaps you mean fluids. 

the same goes for gasses, heat, and it could probably be related to solids somehow. The law states that when 2 energetics (heat, gasses, fluids, etc.) of different proportions meet, they will combing until entropy is reached. a perfect example of this is ice in water, the ice melts because the heat of the water is transferring into the ice, causing it's temperature to rise and change states. I hope that made sense...I actually did research, unlike most people on these forums.

and I just realized that I was wrong, the first law is that "Matter cannot be created or destroyed".
« Last Edit: July 16, 2007, 07:56:25 PM by TeflonTuxedo »
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Ferdinand Magellen

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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2007, 07:25:41 PM »
I know that what you posted is definately a property of matter, though ^_^
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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2007, 07:55:55 PM »
Quote from: TeflonTuxedo on July 16, 2007, 07:23:06 PM
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Perhaps you mean fluids. 

the same goes for gasses, heat, and it could probably be related to solids somehow. The law states that when 2 energetics (heat, gasses, fluids, etc.) of different proportions meet, they will combing until entropy is reached. a perfect example of this is ice in water, the ice melts because the heat of the water is transferring into the ice, causing it's temperature to rise and change states. I hope that made sense...I actually did research, unlike most people on these forums.

and I just realized that I was wrong, the first law is that "Matter cannot be created of destroyed".
Yep.
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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2007, 08:53:52 PM »
Quote from: TeflonTuxedo on July 16, 2007, 07:23:06 PM
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Perhaps you mean fluids. 

the same goes for gasses, heat, and it could probably be related to solids somehow. The law states that when 2 energetics (heat, gasses, fluids, etc.) of different proportions meet, they will combing until entropy is reached. a perfect example of this is ice in water, the ice melts because the heat of the water is transferring into the ice, causing it's temperature to rise and change states. I hope that made sense...I actually did research, unlike most people on these forums.

and I just realized that I was wrong, the first law is that "Matter cannot be created or destroyed".

Since when have gases not been fluids?
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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2007, 04:43:30 AM »
Quote from: CommonCents on July 16, 2007, 08:53:52 PM

Since when have gases not been fluids?

Since they were gases.
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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2007, 06:17:57 AM »
Carbiens, I think you're getting 'fluid' confused with 'liquid'
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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2007, 06:23:47 AM »
Looks like it  :-[
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Ferdinand Magellen

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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2007, 07:10:07 AM »
Oh, Bernouli... Couldn't you have realized moving gasses behave the same as moving liquids? We should have gotten past this hole by now...
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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2007, 02:37:26 AM »
Quote from: Ferdinand Magellen on July 16, 2007, 06:51:49 PM
The FE model is like a cup or a pot flying vertically upward, thus keeping in the matter. Its constant linear acceleration is, per them, what keeps the "atmolayer" in.

The atmosphere is higher than the ice wall, therefore, you are saying the atmosphere is no higher than the ice wall.
Doesn't work sorry.

(Please refute, I know you can explain my weak argument. :))
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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2007, 08:11:42 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on July 16, 2007, 06:45:29 PM
Quote from: TeflonTuxedo on July 16, 2007, 06:42:53 PM
This is because the first law of matter (I think it's the first) states that matter moves from the most concentrated area to the least concentrated area.
Perhaps you mean fluids. 

The atmosphere is a fluid, for the most part being a heterogeneous solution with some solid particles.

Edit - And it would still transverse to a lower concentration (i.e. space.  You can experiment by filling a bucket with water and spinning it.  Eventually the water would evaprate to the lower-humidity concentration (i.e. the atmosphere).
« Last Edit: July 20, 2007, 08:15:46 AM by The Kommunist »
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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2007, 08:16:37 AM »
Quote from: The Kommunist on July 20, 2007, 08:11:42 AM
The atmosphere is a fluid, for the most part being a heterogeneous solution with some solid particles.
Wow, what an observation!
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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2007, 08:22:30 AM »
You're awful patronsing for a person in authority ;)
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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2007, 09:21:04 AM »
Sir James Clark Ross tells us that the Ice Wall is only 150 feet high. It cannot contain the atmosphere.
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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2007, 09:53:14 AM »
Then what, good sir, does?
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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2007, 10:06:24 AM »
Surface tension.
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Ferdinand Magellen

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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2007, 10:10:47 AM »
Air HAS no surface tension. If you put it in a graduated cylander (maintained vacuum), does it have a miniscus? No, it immediately expands to fill the container. Such is what would HAVE to happen under your FE model.
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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2007, 10:19:45 AM »
Quote from: Ferdinand Magellen on July 20, 2007, 10:10:47 AM
Air HAS no surface tension. If you put it in a graduated cylander (maintained vacuum), does it have a miniscus? No, it immediately expands to fill the container. Such is what would HAVE to happen under your FE model.

Are you saying that polarized particles no longer exibit surface tenstion, along with other phenomena, while in gas form?
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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2007, 10:27:52 AM »
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In physics, surface tension is an effect within the surface layer of a liquid that causes that layer to behave as an elastic sheet. This effect allows insects (such as the water strider) to walk on water. It allows small metal objects such as needles, razor blades, or foil fragments to float on the surface of water, and causes capillary action. Interface tension is the name of the same effect when it takes place between two liquids.


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Surface tension is represented by the symbol σ, γ or T and is defined as the force along a line of unit length where the force is parallel to the surface but perpendicular to the line. One way to picture this is to imagine a flat soap film bounded on one side by a taut thread of length, L. The thread will be pulled toward the interior of the film by a force equal to γL. Surface tension is therefore measured in newtons per meter (N·m-1), although the cgs unit of dynes per cm is normally used.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_tension#Physics_definition_of_surface_tension

Interestingly, surface tension occurs in liquids. Not gases.
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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2007, 10:32:12 AM »
As long as we're using your user-editable "reference"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_tension_values
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Ferdinand Magellen

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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2007, 10:34:46 AM »
oh ok. Thanks for the info.

But odd.. it seems these are all LIQUIDS interacting with a GAS. Not GAS interacting with VACUUM.
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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2007, 10:35:56 AM »
Quote from: narcberry on July 20, 2007, 10:32:12 AM
As long as we're using your user-editable "reference"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_tension_values

You clearly don't know how Wikipedia works then.
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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2007, 10:37:47 AM »
Quote from: divito on July 20, 2007, 10:35:56 AM
Quote from: narcberry on July 20, 2007, 10:32:12 AM
As long as we're using your user-editable "reference"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_tension_values

You clearly don't know how Wikipedia works then.

It's not user-editeable?
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Ferdinand Magellen

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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2007, 10:40:25 AM »
You have no problem with wikipedia when you site it, which is fairly often.
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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #26 on: July 20, 2007, 11:18:17 AM »
Quote from: narcberry on July 20, 2007, 10:37:47 AM
It's not user-editeable?

Not to the point where the negative connotation comes into play that you're assigning. That's also not what I said.
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« Reply #27 on: July 20, 2007, 12:11:11 PM »
Its user editable, but any article that cites good sources and has a balanced article is valid.
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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2007, 01:11:52 PM »
That's just it.  If an article seems flimsy, the editors let you know immediately.  I stand by Wikipedia as a valid source for information.
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Ferdinand Magellen

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Re: Evidence against Flat Earth
« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2007, 01:14:01 PM »
So does Narc; he has reffered me to it any number of times. Its when an article proves him wrong that he questions its credibility.


So, Narc, Tom... if its not a bazillion foot tall ice wall and since it can't be surface tension, HOW DOES THE ATMOSPHERE STAY ON THE PLANET?
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