Day/Night and Sunset/Sunrise

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Day/Night and Sunset/Sunrise
« on: March 11, 2007, 06:57:27 PM »
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Here is the information in your FAQ explaining day/night.

The sun and moon, each 32 miles in diameter, circle Earth at a height of 3000 miles at its equator, located midway between the North Pole and the ice wall. Each functions similar to a "spotlight," with the sun radiating "hot light," the moon "cold light." As they are spotlights, they only give light out over a certain are which explains why some parts of the Earth are dark when others are light. Their apparent rising and setting are caused by optical illusions.

In the "accelerating upwards" model, the stars, sun and moon are also accelerating upwards.

The stars are about as far as San Francisco is from Boston. (3100 miles)

And sunset/sunrise...

It's a perspective effect.  Really, the sun is just getting farther away; it looks like it disappears because everything gets smaller and eventually disappears as it gets farther away.

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I do not believe that the earth is flat but I will be open about it for the sake of this thread: either of these theories could technically be correct, but together they do not make sense. The spotlight effect alone would explain day/night, and the sun moving away from us would explain sunrise/sunset, but they can not both be true. If the sun moved further away from us, it would get darker everywhere, not just in the areas which are not covered by the "spotlight." Sure, maybe the spotlight area would be lighter than the other areas at the time, but it would still be essentially night, and that's not even the case.

I am not here to flame you for your beliefs or discredit what you believe in, but I assume that everyone that believes this has thought it through thoroughly and it makes sense to them. This and other portions of what you believe in do not make sense to me which is why I am requesting elaboration.

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Re: Day/Night and Sunset/Sunrise
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2007, 10:53:59 PM »
If the sun moved further away from us, it would get darker everywhere, not just in the areas which are not covered by the "spotlight." Sure, maybe the spotlight area would be lighter than the other areas at the time, but it would still be essentially night, and that's not even the case.
I think you might be confused about the FE model.  The sun does not move further away from the Earth in the FE model.  The "getting further away" is referring to a fixed point on the Earth, not the entire Earth. 

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Re: Day/Night and Sunset/Sunrise
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2007, 09:08:03 AM »


It's a perspective effect.  Really, the sun is just getting farther away; it looks like it disappears because everything gets smaller and eventually disappears as it gets farther away.


The sun appears bigger, as it sets and rises.  It does not get smaller and gradually disappears.

Re: Day/Night and Sunset/Sunrise
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2007, 11:32:16 AM »


It's a perspective effect.  Really, the sun is just getting farther away; it looks like it disappears because everything gets smaller and eventually disappears as it gets farther away.


The sun appears bigger, as it sets and rises.  It does not get smaller and gradually disappears.

ding, we have a winner .. just watching a sunset or sun rise already tells me that teh sun couldn't possibly fade and disappear, for one thing it's so freaking far away that even if it did move backward, we could still see it .. and the fact that it sets and rises to the sides of the GLOBAL earth tells me simply that there is orbit .. also, the sun is massive, indefinately round and since it's round there is no such thing as teh "spotlight" effect, it will emit light in all directions with the occasional solar flare which does nothing to help create a "spotlight" effect either
With no south pole, there is no electromagnetism, giving us no protection from the sun's harmful radiation--we'd all be dead right now.
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Re: Day/Night and Sunset/Sunrise
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2007, 11:37:21 AM »
If the sun moved further away from us, it would get darker everywhere, not just in the areas which are not covered by the "spotlight." Sure, maybe the spotlight area would be lighter than the other areas at the time, but it would still be essentially night, and that's not even the case.
I think you might be confused about the FE model.  The sun does not move further away from the Earth in the FE model.  The "getting further away" is referring to a fixed point on the Earth, not the entire Earth. 

Actually, their "orbits" do change do to magick.
Ask DiegoDraw.
No wait, it is ripples in the atmosphere.
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Re: Day/Night and Sunset/Sunrise
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2007, 03:42:00 PM »
Actually, their "orbits" do change do to magick.
Ask DiegoDraw.
No wait, it is ripples in the atmosphere.

"Change" is very vague. 

The sun does not move further away from the Earth in the FE model. 

Re: Day/Night and Sunset/Sunrise
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2009, 08:58:24 PM »
I think it's time to bring this topic back. It's by far the weakest point of FET. At least the other obvious holes have an explanation that is possible. And a visit to the FAQ states that the answer is "currently being developed and reviewed" which really means there is no logical explanation at all.
If I disproved FET completely to every single person, who would be left for me to argue with?

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Re: Day/Night and Sunset/Sunrise
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2009, 12:42:05 AM »
I think it's time to bring this topic back. It's by far the weakest point of FET. At least the other obvious holes have an explanation that is possible. And a visit to the FAQ states that the answer is "currently being developed and reviewed" which really means there is no logical explanation at all.
Care to point out these "holes"? FYI, the RE theory has just as many holes, if not more.
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Re: Day/Night and Sunset/Sunrise
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2009, 06:19:31 AM »
I think it's time to bring this topic back. It's by far the weakest point of FET. At least the other obvious holes have an explanation that is possible. And a visit to the FAQ states that the answer is "currently being developed and reviewed" which really means there is no logical explanation at all.
Care to point out these "holes"? FYI, the RE theory has just as many holes, if not more.
RET may have holes, but sunrise and sunset aren't among them.
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Re: Day/Night and Sunset/Sunrise
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2009, 06:20:06 AM »
RET may have holes, but sunrise and sunset aren't among them.

I nominate this for Inane Post of the Year 2009.
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Re: Day/Night and Sunset/Sunrise
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2009, 07:42:41 AM »
RET may have holes, but sunrise and sunset aren't among them.

I nominate this for Inane Post of the Year 2009.

Come now, it's still early in the year.  I'm sure that I can do better.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: Day/Night and Sunset/Sunrise
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2009, 11:37:12 AM »
RET may have holes, but sunrise and sunset aren't among them.

I nominate this for Inane Post of the Year 2009.

I nominate this for Inane Post of the Year 2009.

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Re: Day/Night and Sunset/Sunrise
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2009, 03:14:05 PM »
RET may have holes, but sunrise and sunset aren't among them.

I nominate this for Inane Post of the Year 2009.

I nominate this for Inane Post of the Year 2009.
I nominate this for Inane Post of the Year 2010.

Re: Day/Night and Sunset/Sunrise
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2009, 04:12:22 PM »
Moving swiftly along, sunrise and sunset are in decently glaring opposition to the current FE model. After all, if the sun got smaller and smaller and faded into the distance instead of sinking directly into the horizon at the same speed that it transverses the rest of the sky, I believe someone would surely notice.
If I disproved FET completely to every single person, who would be left for me to argue with?