Riddle me this FE People

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Plidan

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Riddle me this FE People
« on: March 11, 2007, 08:05:10 AM »
I now actually took the time to read al the information.

Now i have an argument

The whole Ice Wall thing

How can and entire ice wall circulate this supposed flat disc shaped earth?
How do we know this guy who supposedly found this ice wall did'nt just find the antartic ice sheet...
Or some glacier..
something over 100 years ago..
They would be like "Oh my god a giant mass of ice the only logical reasoning for its being to prevent us from walking of the side of the earth..."
The thing about the earth rapidly propelling upwards...
How could it do this would'nt it then be moving farther and farther away from the sun..
You say the sun is very small and is close to us...
So you say the stars we see are also the same thing?
Then why does a simple test you could preform with an astrological map and a telescope prove their distance from earth?
Why is it not possible to shoot the sun then?
Or fly an airplane into it?
The sun is supposedly composed of hydrogen and other mass amounts of gass's to ensure it would  last along time as do stars
If its small...Would it not have burn't out by now?
Also how is the atmosphere worked out then?
Does it just stop at the angles then start again?
Oxygen is a free formed so thats why in the RE world it globes around the earth.
Also the thing about horizon
If the world was flat you could only have one plane of horizon never any more because you woud'nt have the curve that the earth has because in the RE the sun is always at an angle from the earth which creates plains of horizon with the geographical land feature of a round earth and the sun direct  inconstant angle.
If its a spot light how does this happen
Have any of you ever flow copilot in an airplane?
Well I have
This you for my birthday my uncle flew me around the world while on the course taking direct stops to the places I wanted to go ae; Medrid,Euro Disney,Tokyo and such.We saw no Ice wall None at all...Is this bad?
Was my uncle lying and flying in circles so he would'nt face the government?Even though I flew co with my junior pilot license?
Next time zone
How does our supposed FE spotlight working sun aim directly at unjointed seperate parts of the world on both sides at the same time? But no others I find that pretty hard to believe
With a large sun that then earth is constanty orbitting whilst spinning on its magnetic axi Ie;North Pole,Southpole  is alot easier to believe
Those experiments did'nt prove me anything...
You do an experiment and it would'nt proove something to alter the entire face of the earth..
If you have ever been to say NASA,A space museum,An astronomy Lab,Or looked through a dobsonian telescope you would be able to proof the earth is round and the distance of the sun from us..
How does the moon orbit us as a satelitte then?
If we have airplanes that fly way up so high why not space ships?
Does Nasa throw public space launches where you can watch the rocket launch happen for no reason just to trick us more?
Why would the government want to cover up the entire face off the earth for our money,They would have complete domination over us anyways so they don't need money...
Why when you look through a telescope you see the other planets as round or the sun, the mon or stars?
Why is'nt ever thing else flat as relevent to FE?
Are thousands of scientists,books and NASA all wrong and lying just because one guy says so?
Thats a little far fetched in my opinion?
I highly doubt the entire government would want us to belive the greatest lie possible?
Also....Um yeah?So basically one side of the earth has nobody on it I assume then?or water?,even vegetation?
If the earth is flat and propelling upwards with lack of gravity nothing can exist on the otherside without falling off right?
No gravity yet apparently the sun and moon orbit us in the FE theory? Hmm thats pretty wierd?How does the sun shine on other planets then?
So tectonis plates is a conspiracy,We can't spread farther apart?Or would we just fall of the earth?


If this theory is absolute...
Then prove me wrong completely without refering me to the book or Facts or saying its a conspiracy....
Because you guys are 100% sure you should have the answers yourself then

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GeoGuy

Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2007, 09:29:43 AM »
Most of the questions are basically asking the sae thing over again, so I'm only addressing the relevant ones.

How can and entire ice wall circulate this supposed flat disc shaped earth?
Like this.
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How do we know this guy who supposedly found this ice wall did'nt just find the antartic ice sheet...
Or some glacier..
something over 100 years ago..
They would be like "Oh my god a giant mass of ice the only logical reasoning for its being to prevent us from walking of the side of the earth..."
Because Antarctica obviously doesn't exist in the FE theory.
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The thing about the earth rapidly propelling upwards...
How could it do this would'nt it then be moving farther and farther away from the sun..
You say the sun is very small and is close to us...
So you say the stars we see are also the same thing?
Then why does a simple test you could preform with an astrological map and a telescope prove their distance from earth?
Why is it not possible to shoot the sun then?
Or fly an airplane into it?
The sun is accelerating upwards along with Earth.
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The sun is supposedly composed of hydrogen and other mass amounts of gass's to ensure it would  last along time as do stars
If its small...Would it not have burn't out by now?
No.
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Also how is the atmosphere worked out then?
Does it just stop at the angles then start again?
Oxygen is a free formed so thats why in the RE world it globes around the earth.
The atmosphere works exactly the same as it does in the RE model.
Also the thing about horizon
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If the world was flat you could only have one plane of horizon never any more because you woud'nt have the curve that the earth has because in the RE the sun is always at an angle from the earth which creates plains of horizon with the geographical land feature of a round earth and the sun direct  inconstant angle.
This makes no sense.
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Have any of you ever flow copilot in an airplane?
Better. One of our members is a pilot.
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Well I have
This you for my birthday my uncle flew me around the world while on the course taking direct stops to the places I wanted to go ae; Medrid,Euro Disney,Tokyo and such.We saw no Ice wall None at all...Is this bad?
Was my uncle lying and flying in circles so he would'nt face the government?Even though I flew co with my junior pilot license?
No, no and no.
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Next time zone
How does our supposed FE spotlight working sun aim directly at unjointed seperate parts of the world on both sides at the same time? But no others I find that pretty hard to believe
This makes no sense.
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If you have ever been to say NASA,A space museum,An astronomy Lab,Or looked through a dobsonian telescope you would be able to proof the earth is round and the distance of the sun from us..
No you wouldn't.
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How does the moon orbit us as a satelitte then?
See the map I provided.
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If we have airplanes that fly way up so high why not space ships?
Because it would require far too much fuel to keek them airborne.
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Does Nasa throw public space launches where you can watch the rocket launch happen for no reason just to trick us more?
Basically.
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Why would the government want to cover up the entire face off the earth for our money,They would have complete domination over us anyways so they don't need money...
See the Conclusive Catergorical Conspiracy Compendium. A link to which can be found in the FAQ.
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Why when you look through a telescope you see the other planets as round or the sun, the mon or stars?
Because the planets (notice I didn't say 'other'), sun, moon and stars are all round.
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Are thousands of scientists,books and NASA all wrong and lying just because one guy says so?
No.
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Thats a little far fetched in my opinion?
I highly doubt the entire government would want us to belive the greatest lie possible?
Your incredulity sadly has no bearing on reality.
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So tectonis plates is a conspiracy,We can't spread farther apart?Or would we just fall of the earth?
No, tectonic plate theory is fully integrated into the FE model.

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Plidan

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Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2007, 09:40:05 AM »
You skip alot of my questions that you are unable to answer....
You try to undermind me..
And if you can't understand most of that hwich is simple logic...
Than I pity you...
I am 15....
And everything I say has many eyars of proven evidence backing it based apon physical experience or by actual obtainable knowledge..
You see that map is'nt a real photograph....
Pictures of the earth are..
You could'nt understand the horizon part yet all most anyone with a high school education can thats wierd?
You seem to have no education besides what the site told you on this matter..
You did'nt answer anything about my sun questions..
Propelling upwards does'nt answer the whole question....

How does antartica not exist..have you yourself physically been there?...
Horizon and atmosphere can't work the same as RE in FE
Its simple 9th grade science...
Mass tanks of hydrogen would be enough to propells a ship into space...
Since planes burn gasoline mized with helium and stay a flight for up to 4+ hours...
You could'nt answer my questions thourougly enough...

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Brucedes

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Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2007, 10:41:54 AM »
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The sun is supposedly composed of hydrogen and other mass amounts of gass's to ensure it would  last along time as do stars
If its small...Would it not have burn't out by now?
No.

Your double standards sicken me.

You claim you want firm proof that the earth is round, yet when this guy asks a question that can debunk your theory (And I use the term theory lightly, since you have no firm experimental evidence to prove it), you will, rather than answer him with a scientific reason, you just say "No.".

So please explain to me why it wouldn't of burnt out by now.

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Plidan

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Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2007, 10:47:11 AM »
Exactly...These guys are stupid...

I am a sophmore and smarter than them


He copy and pastes the same damn thing over and over...

Or says read FAQ

That book did'nt tell me shit...

The hundreds of science books and Einstein books I read did tho

And no...thats not an educated answer for a damn 2nd grader...

Also google earth and google show satellite images from every where on the earth so does CIA AND FBI

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GeoGuy

Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2007, 11:02:20 AM »

You see that map is'nt a real photograph....
No! I thought it was real. Thanks for the heads up.
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Pictures of the earth are..
No they aren't.
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You could'nt understand the horizon part yet all most anyone with a high school education can thats wierd?
What I couldn't understand was your mangling of the english language. I imagine the horizon bit isn't that complicated.
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You did'nt answer anything about my sun questions..
Because your sun questions were all answered with 'the sun is being accelerated along with Earth'.

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How does antartica not exist..have you yourself physically been there?...
What you know as 'Antarctica' in the RE model is actually the ice wall.
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Horizon and atmosphere can't work the same as RE in FE
Yes it can.
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Mass tanks of hydrogen would be enough to propells a ship into space...
But not keep them there. Which would be necessary in the FE model.
« Last Edit: March 11, 2007, 11:04:19 AM by GeoGuy »

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Brucedes

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Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2007, 11:05:14 AM »
Yet my questions goes unanswered.

I will ask again:

Give me a firm reason why the sun would not have burnt out by now, when if it was the size you claim it is, it would have done so.

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GeoGuy

Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2007, 11:07:23 AM »

Your double standards sicken me.

You claim you want firm proof that the earth is round, yet when this guy asks a question that can debunk your theory (And I use the term theory lightly, since you have no firm experimental evidence to prove it), you will, rather than answer him with a scientific reason, you just say "No.".

So please explain to me why it wouldn't of burnt out by now.
Why should I bother? Our friend Plidan here didn't offer even the slightest shred of evidence to support his claim that it should have burnt out by now.

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Plidan

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Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2007, 11:12:12 AM »
The FE model does'nt tell me shit about modern and common chemisty and rocket science



Do you know how much power,kinetic energy,and velocity is produced by
ion engines with twin turbine.....And how much fuel canestors a rocket carries...
Lots and they are ejected when empty to lower the wieght...
Hydrogen powered rockets last a lot longer than other fuel powered aircraft

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_engine

Look foryourself...
I would know...
I'm the one who won college grants and scholarships in middle school for science projects..

If this shit is not possible...
When it is similiar science to the the H and A bombs....
Then I guess the bombings are'nt possible..
And millions were'nt wiped out by the fusion reaction of splitting of uranium atoms?
Thats a conspiracy huh...
And entire country almost disitengrated and millions mutated or killed

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Plidan

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Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2007, 11:15:23 AM »
In a nuclear electric rocket, nuclear thermal energy is changed into electrical energy that is used to power one of the electrical propulsion technologies. So technically the powerplant is nuclear, not the propulsion system, but the terminology is standard. A number of heat-to-electricity schemes have been proposed.

One of the more practical schemes is a variant of a pebble bed reactor. It would use a high mass-flow nitrogen coolant near normal atmospheric pressures. This leverages highly developed conventional gas turbine technologies. The fuel for this reactor would be highly enriched, and encapsulated in low-boron graphite balls probably 5-10 cm in diameter. The graphite serves to slow, or moderate, the neutrons.

This style of reactor can be designed to be inherently safe. As it heats, the graphite expands, separating the fuel and reducing the reactor's criticality. This property can simplify the operating controls to a single valve throttling the turbine. When closed, the reactor heats, but produces less power. When open, the reactor cools, but becomes more critical and produces more power.

The graphite encapsulation simplifies refueling and waste handling. Graphite is mechanically strong, and resists high temperatures. This reduces the risk of an unplanned release of radioactives.

Since this style of reactor produces high power without heavy castings to contain high pressures, it is well suited to spacecraft.


Educate yourself about the damn Hydrogen...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen


Now the damn sun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun


I don't understand how you guys tell us to read your shit but don't read written proven facts proven by thousands....

Yet you believe something proven by one guy....


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GeoGuy

Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2007, 11:17:10 AM »
The FE model does'nt tell me shit about modern and common chemisty and rocket science
That's because it doesn't try to.
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Do you know how much power,kinetic energy,and velocity is produced by
ion engines with twin turbine.....And how much fuel canestors a rocket carries...
Lots and they are ejected when empty to lower the wieght...
Hydrogen powered rockets last a lot longer than other fuel powered aircraft
I don't care. Any space craft that wishes to stay in 'orbit' above the Earth needs to have a constant fuel source to keep it accelerating at or above 9.8m/s^2. No rocket that exists today has the fuel carrying capacity needed for this.

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Look foryourself...
I would know...
I'm the one who won college grants and scholarships in middle school for science projects..
Mhm.

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If this shit is not possible...
When it is similiar science to the the H and A bombs....
Then I guess the bombings are'nt possible..
And millions were'nt wiped out by the fusion reaction of splitting of uranium atoms?
Thats a conspiracy huh...
And entire country almost disitengrated and millions mutated or killed

It isn't that similar at all, really.

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Plidan

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Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2007, 11:19:38 AM »
Are you retarded you don't work with rockets or even care about common science

Its fusion reaction in the ion thruster that give propulltion to the rockets...
The don't run on fucking gasoline...
Goddamn I am a teenager and know more than you

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GeoGuy

Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2007, 11:23:32 AM »
Are you retarded you don't work with rockets or even care about common science

Its fusion reaction in the ion thruster that give propulltion to the rockets...
The don't run on fucking gasoline...
Goddamn I am a teenager and know more than you
I know what powers the rockets, Pli. It doesn't matter though. No rocket that exists at the present time is able to carry enough fuel* to keep itself in 'orbit' above Earth's surface for more than a couple hours at most.

*Fuel being defined as: a substance that can be consumed to produce energy.

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Plidan

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Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2007, 11:28:32 AM »
Ok basically the mass mass tons of hydrogen and nitrogen and burned at such a fast rate to quickly launch the rocket out of the earths atmosphere

At this point the ionic thruster take over which slowly burn a chemical compound of hydrogen and helium ions which create propulsion with little used energy

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GeoGuy

Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2007, 11:30:59 AM »

At this point the ionic thruster take over which slowly burn a chemical compound of hydrogen and helium ions which create propulsion with little used energy
And is this propulsion able to keep the craft accelerated upwards at 9.8m/s^2 for the entire time the spacecraft is in 'orbit'?

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Plidan

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Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2007, 11:33:08 AM »

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Plidan

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Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2007, 11:34:55 AM »

At this point the ionic thruster take over which slowly burn a chemical compound of hydrogen and helium ions which create propulsion with little used energy
And is this propulsion able to keep the craft accelerated upwards at 9.8m/s^2 for the entire time the spacecraft is in 'orbit'?

It would'nt need to be going a speed  :) Becuase it would be able to stay in orbit without using fuel  8)
And the ionic thruster are for propulsions
Gravity causes orbit

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GeoGuy

Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2007, 11:36:23 AM »

It would'nt need to be going a speed  :) Becuase it would be able to stay in orbit without using fuel  8)
And the ionic thruster are for propulsions
Gravity causes orbit
1) There is a difference between acceleration and speed
2) That has nothing to do with anything ever.
3) Earth does not have gravity in the FE theory.

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Plidan

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Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2007, 11:40:30 AM »
Thats all you can say
You can't argue about ionic thrusters because you book does'nt cover them...nor hydrogen...
No Gravity my ass...
You theory is more liek gravy..
Well in the real world there is
Not in your little Dungeons and Dragons fantasy world...
I 4|\/| 2 $|\/|4|27 4 u
Thats why I get to go to college for free cus of a damn science prject while you waste your lives on non true fantasy shit you all wack off to Lord of the rings the put a damn bullet to you brain that damn book can't answer my questions the FAQS can't and neither can you

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GeoGuy

Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2007, 11:41:25 AM »
So you concede the argument?

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Plidan

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Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2007, 11:42:20 AM »
By the way
Go to a damn museum
The MOST for elementary school kids would suit you well...
Also try making a fusion reactor or an ionic engine...Then tell me what you think

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Plidan

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Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2007, 11:45:19 AM »
Your not good enough for me your answers don't fully complie to my questions...
You feel confused, are unwilling to say I am right because you are trapped in your beliefs wo'nt read into both sides...
At least I gave your side  some thought...
Just cus you hav'nt been to space or on a damn airplane don't make the world flat
I have satelite images of my house from almost every altitude so umm yeah...
Someone is a good drawer I guess....
Unbelievable you are grown adults...
We have a thread on another forum laughing at all of you...
Im 15 and undermind you...
I have proved this theory wrong by the fact you are uable to give satisfying answer and neither is your book or damn FAQS

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GeoGuy

Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2007, 11:45:19 AM »
Do all of those things mean that you surrender?

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Plidan

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Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2007, 11:45:57 AM »
You can't surrender when you right...
Millions of people are my side...
Trust me that means I win

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Brucedes

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Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2007, 11:56:21 AM »

Your double standards sicken me.

You claim you want firm proof that the earth is round, yet when this guy asks a question that can debunk your theory (And I use the term theory lightly, since you have no firm experimental evidence to prove it), you will, rather than answer him with a scientific reason, you just say "No.".

So please explain to me why it wouldn't of burnt out by now.
Why should I bother? Our friend Plidan here didn't offer even the slightest shred of evidence to support his claim that it should have burnt out by now.

OH! I see! Rather than try to prove your theory to me, you will simple fob me off in a way that makes me think you're just incredibly fickle.

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Plidan

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Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2007, 11:57:10 AM »
I have to ask...For a 15 year old?
Do I at least put up a good arguement?

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Kasroa Is Gone

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Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2007, 11:57:39 AM »
TL;DR

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Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2007, 11:58:26 AM »
I have to ask...For a 15 year old?
Do I at least put up a good arguement?
No, not really. I see this same thread here (for better or worse) every day.
The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us. -Some Frenchy

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Plidan

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Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2007, 11:59:40 AM »
Well then why can't all my questions be thoroughly answered or even disproved completely....

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Plidan

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Re: Riddle me this FE People
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2007, 12:02:11 PM »
Or can you not even do this?