We're the only real flat earthers. Those weird YouTube cultists are just looking for a conspiracy theory to make their lives seem less meaningless.
Tell that to Mark Sargent, Rob Skiba, Eric Dubay, Jeran Campanela and many more i could easily chase up!
You're a fan of the "going in circles until your opponent gets bored" theory of debate, aren't you?
We have no consistent model for two reasons:
1) In the absence of any opportunity to perform rigorous scientific analysis, we are limited to acting as mere theoreticians. And as any globularist (shill) physicist will tell you, no two theoreticians will agree.
Really? I believe that you are confusing "theories" with "hypotheses". If you are "limited to acting as mere theoreticians" how did you first come to believe that the earth is flat?
Read the FAQ, and look up the definition of the term "theoretician". It's a scientist who thinks really hard and does a lot of math instead of doing experiments. Theoretics are about coming up with models that fit available evidence, and finding falsifiable predictions made by that model that others can one day test.
Did you just look at the horizon and see that it looks flat and so decide, as many have done, that the earth must be flat?
Well, tough luck! The horizon on our Globe should look as flat as anyone could determine with a straight edge.
Read the FAQ. You have too many posts to be a noob
There's just more than one way to explain an observation, and without the opportunity to experiment we can only conjecture. Multiple possible theories, each with elements of the truth, will be more useful to the experimenters who come after us than a single, coherent, and mostly incorrect theory would be.
Possibly, but all I see are flat earth hypotheses with no theoretical or supporting evidence.
See above
We true Flat Earthers are playing a long game. We are keeping the flame alive until a time when society has advanced to the degree that the true nature of the world can be seriously reevaluated. It won't likely happen in our lifetimes. We're like the parabolic old man planting the tree.
The "long game"?
The idea of the earth being Globe started before 500 BC though more for philosophical reasons than based on evidence - Pythagoras and Plato thought perfectly round thing were cool!
Then Aristotle came along and by then there was some observational evidence that the earth was not flat and that the sun and moon were a great distance from there.
But your flat earth ideas did not start till the 1800s as a reaction to the perceived dangers of Darwinism.
This is all accurate, and also has no bearing on the relative accuracy of the two theories. RET has been assumed for most of human civilization. Philosophers like Aristotle came up with post-hoc justifications for the idea, but RET is largely an organic phenomenon that became too entrenched to question. There was no experimental evidence supporting the claim that the Earth is round until the mid 20th century, when NASA fabricated it to cover up their inability to compete in the space race (against the Soviets who, separately, we're also fabricating evidence to cover up their inability to compete with the Americans. There's no reason to believe either side knew the other was also lying, at least in the beginning)
2) Any serious flat Earth model is based on a rigorous foundation of Zeteticism, which precludes the consideration of others' theories when adopting one's own worldview.
That's seems be a bit odd when most flat earthers claim that the earth has a shape like the UN flag or the North Polar AEP map.United Nations flag
The most recent world model propagated by the Flat Earth Society holds that humans live on a disc, with the North Pole at its center and a 150-foot (45 m) high wall of ice at the outer edge. The resulting map resembles the symbol of the United Nations, which Johnson used as evidence for his position.
I can't speak for ol' Johnson's ideas. As you pointed out, early modern FET did have ties to purveyors of antiscience who had some weird ideas.
Allowing oneself to be biased by those ideas which have come before one is simply a way of ignoring the truth that is right before one's eyes.
Agreed! And I see contrary evidence to any flat earth model every time I see the sun rise or the moon rise from behind the horizon and stay the same apparent size even when right overhead.
Flat-earthers are just as much indoctrinated by YouTube videos and the writings of people like Rowbotham (Parallax) and Albert Smith (Zetetes) as any Globe supporters might be.
But, in the opinion of some, modern education is a bit akin to indoctrinated, where the students are taught facts, such as "the earth is a Globe . . " and not how to inquire for themselves why the earth might be a Globe or any other shape.
I'm not sure I agree, but I see where you're coming from