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Title: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Violent on January 13, 2009, 04:12:30 AM
I've put together a seven minute piece which asks the question "Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?":

Although this possibility is rarely postulated, and although when it is put forth it always receives scathing incredulity, even from the most skeptical conspiracy theorists, I am certain that the canon of nuclear/atomic explosion footage shown to the public starting in the 1940s was falsified from the beginning.

Nuclear bombs are the cornerstone of the world's military-industrial control structure. It is therefore necessary that, if the current order is to be maintained, everyone must believe in them.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on January 13, 2009, 04:47:50 AM
The theory behind the technology is sound. While I can't be certain about the physical existence of them I am fairly confident that they exist, after all even if the videos were faked, the damage to Hiroshima wasn't.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Violent on January 13, 2009, 08:28:12 AM
Thank you for your fair response.

The damage to Hiroshima is not proof of nuclear bombs.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Moonlit on January 13, 2009, 10:51:25 AM
Thank you for your fair response.

The damage to Hiroshima is not proof of nuclear bombs.

No, but it is pretty damning evidence.  What else do you purpose did that sort of damage?  I can't watch the video.  They're blocked on my work computer.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Jack on January 13, 2009, 03:59:14 PM
So E=mc2, through the process of nuclear fission, is wrong? Can you prove that atoms can no longer split apart?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on January 13, 2009, 04:38:34 PM
I somehow doubt japan would have surrendered if that was fake.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Johannes on January 13, 2009, 07:53:35 PM
Can you prove that atoms even exist?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tom Bishop on January 13, 2009, 08:05:35 PM
Thank you for your fair response.

The damage to Hiroshima is not proof of nuclear bombs.

No, but it is pretty damning evidence.  What else do you purpose did that sort of damage?  I can't watch the video.  They're blocked on my work computer.

Well the damage from Hiroshima looks just like the results of the fire bombing of Tokyo:

Nuclear Blast aftermath at Hiroshima: http://www.moonofalabama.org/images/Hiroshima-big.jpg

Firebombing aftermath at Tokyo: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Tokyo_1945-3-10-1.jpg

The majority of the structures in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were rickety termite eaten poor Japanese wooden houses.  Many still question why those two cities were chosen as targets since they had no military value. Up until then every Japanese city was chosen based on military value. It's clear that those two old wooden cities were chosen for maximum propaganda value.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on January 13, 2009, 08:18:43 PM
The big difference I see here is horoshima seems like its grounds have been blasted clean. Which would be the only difference I expect between a huge hot blast and a huge burn.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: cbarnett97 on January 13, 2009, 08:41:35 PM
also the one of the first ways we found out that the Russians had the bomb was then it registered on seismographs, and it is the reason that coal miners need tostagger their blasts instead of setting it all of at once so Russia did not think the US was setting off a Nuclear Bomb
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on January 13, 2009, 08:42:55 PM
also the one of the first ways we found out that the Russians had the bomb was then it registered on seismographs, and it is the reason that coal miners need tostagger their blasts instead of setting it all of at once so Russia did not think the US was setting off a Nuclear Bomb

So wait, it could have been faked by setting off underground charges at once?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: cbarnett97 on January 13, 2009, 11:17:04 PM
also the one of the first ways we found out that the Russians had the bomb was then it registered on seismographs, and it is the reason that coal miners need tostagger their blasts instead of setting it all of at once so Russia did not think the US was setting off a Nuclear Bomb

So wait, it could have been faked by setting off underground charges at once?
the charges the set off though look nothing like a nuclear bomb but they do set off similar seismic waves so yes that portion could have been faked the all of the visible signs could not be faked that way. unless you wanted to pile tons and tons of TNT and set it off all at the same exact moment
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Violent on January 14, 2009, 02:30:09 AM
Jack that's interesting you should mention E=mc? - check this out: According to Einstein mass and energy are "different manifestations of the same thing," and "very small amounts of mass may be converted in to a very large amount of energy." Now this all sounds very scientific, but it's very important to note its title: The Theory of *Relativity* -which is dissolutionist- and next and perhaps even more revealing is the spoken equation itself, which is apparently Masonic / Kabalist: E is equal to mc-squared, in which energy is put equal to mass, multiplied by the square of the velocity of light." We've got the Square mentioned repeatedly. Light is given a velocity and is squared.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Violent on January 14, 2009, 02:35:05 AM
Tom thanks for the excellent link to the Hiroshima still photograph. It's obvious from the picture that they burnt down a large section of the city in both Hiroshima and Tokyo, using whatever method. All brick buildings are left standing intact save for apparently missing windows.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on January 14, 2009, 04:45:45 AM
Jack that's interesting you should mention E=mc? - check this out: According to Einstein mass and energy are "different manifestations of the same thing," and "very small amounts of mass may be converted in to a very large amount of energy." Now this all sounds very scientific, but it's very important to note its title: The Theory of *Relativity* -which is dissolutionist- and next and perhaps even more revealing is the spoken equation itself, which is apparently Masonic / Kabalist: E is equal to mc-squared, in which energy is put equal to mass, multiplied by the square of the velocity of light." We've got the Square mentioned repeatedly. Light is given a velocity and is squared.

Well yes, that's how nuclear power stations work. Even if you deny the existence of nukes then power stations still prove that the equation is sound.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Jack on January 15, 2009, 01:06:03 AM
Jack that's interesting you should mention E=mc? - check this out: According to Einstein mass and energy are "different manifestations of the same thing," and "very small amounts of mass may be converted in to a very large amount of energy."
Nuclear fission was the true answer to E=mc2. Before that, and although he did derive the equation, Einstein never thought that it is possible for mass to "split" and release energy.  Scientists tried many procedures to release energy from mass directly using equipments; however, they always get less energy from the mass than the amount of energy they actually put into the equipment.

The bold part is why nuclear weapons are allowed to exist.

Now this all sounds very scientific, but it's very important to note its title: The Theory of *Relativity* -which is dissolutionist- and next and perhaps even more revealing is the spoken equation itself, which is apparently Masonic / Kabalist: E is equal to mc-squared, in which energy is put equal to mass, multiplied by the square of the velocity of light." We've got the Square mentioned repeatedly. Light is given a velocity and is squared.
Right, it's a theory of relativity, or a theory that studies the FoR of moving objects relative to the speed of light. What's your point?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Edtharan on January 15, 2009, 03:23:11 AM
Jack that's interesting you should mention E=mc? - check this out: According to Einstein mass and energy are "different manifestations of the same thing," and "very small amounts of mass may be converted in to a very large amount of energy." Now this all sounds very scientific, but it's very important to note its title: The Theory of *Relativity* -which is dissolutionist- and next and perhaps even more revealing is the spoken equation itself, which is apparently Masonic / Kabalist: E is equal to mc-squared, in which energy is put equal to mass, multiplied by the square of the velocity of light." We've got the Square mentioned repeatedly. Light is given a velocity and is squared.
E=MC2 is the simplified version and assumes no energy other than what is in the mass itself. The proper equation is:

E2 - (pc)2 = (m0c2)2

E is energy
p is momentum
m0 is the rest mass of the object
c is the speed of light

As you can see, this is not the simple equation that you claim is Masonic/Kabalist.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tom Bishop on January 15, 2009, 04:11:04 AM
The big difference I see here is horoshima seems like its grounds have been blasted clean. Which would be the only difference I expect between a huge hot blast and a huge burn.

There are also entire blocks which look swept away clean in the Tokyo image.

But if we go down to lower altitudes we can see that there's obviously a lot of rubble in a majority of the Hiroshima aftermath photos. Hardly "blasted clean."

http://www.earthstation1.com/WWIIPics/Japan/ResidentialStreetInHiroshimaAfterA-Bombing.jpg
http://www.annefrankguide.com/en-GB/content/hiroshima-2f.jpg
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2004/12/31/hiroshima_wideweb__430x323.jpg
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Marcus Aurelius on January 15, 2009, 07:13:12 AM
Why can't the results of a nuclear blast look similar to the results of extensive firebombing?  I imagine they both would look very much alike.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Moon squirter on January 15, 2009, 08:56:50 AM
If nukes are a conspiracy, then the so-called Hiroshima shadows (http://images.google.co.uk/images?um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=vLq&q=hiroshima+shadows&btnG=Search+Images) must also have been faked, because the "flash" (photon energy) required to make these is not possible with conventional explosives.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mr. Ireland on January 15, 2009, 01:26:18 PM
Tom, stop with the devils advocate.  It doesn't look good for your FE stance.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: cmdshft on January 15, 2009, 01:53:18 PM
If nukes are a conspiracy, then the so-called Hiroshima shadows (http://images.google.co.uk/images?um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=vLq&q=hiroshima+shadows&btnG=Search+Images) must also have been faked, because the "flash" (photon energy) required to make these is not possible with conventional explosives.

Agree'd. Fire doesn't do this: http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/g_l/levine/bomb/shadow2.gif
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Johannes on January 15, 2009, 04:19:41 PM
In nuclear physics the M in E=MC^2 is not mass, rather it is the mass defect? Correct?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Jack on January 15, 2009, 04:49:43 PM
There are two derivations of E=mc2 in inertial frames of reference. The first one is E=m0c2, in which m0 is invariant (rest) mass. The second one is E=mrelc2, in which mrel is relativistic mass. "M" (capitalized) also means relativistic mass. In a letter, Einstein said he did not like the idea of relativistic mass.

Invariant mass "m" is the mass we all use from Newtonian physics to most modern physics, at the basic level of course.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on January 15, 2009, 04:54:36 PM
So relativistic mass could vary according to what? the amount of energy in it? Or it's velocity relative to the observer?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Jack on January 15, 2009, 05:00:14 PM
Relativistic mass varies according to energy in the system (mrel = E/c2). Of course, when an object moves, it gains energy and momentum.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: John Jackson on January 15, 2009, 05:08:19 PM
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Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on January 15, 2009, 06:32:14 PM
Relativistic mass varies according to energy in the system (mrel = E/c2). Of course, when an object moves, it gains energy and momentum.

So would the relativistic mass only increase at m=e/c2 to stay with conservation of energy?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Jack on January 15, 2009, 06:55:12 PM
Relativistic mass is just another term for energy. In an isolated system, since energy is conserved, relativistic mass will also be conserved relative to any inertial observers.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: John Jackson on January 15, 2009, 07:30:46 PM
The term 'relativistic mass' is obsolete and has no physical meaning. What you reffer to as 'rest mass' is actually simply called mass. The formula E = m*c^2 simply tells that mass of a body is proportional to its energy content.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Jack on January 15, 2009, 07:32:11 PM
I seriously don't know why people are still using "relativistic mass" these days, when we can just easily refer to it as energy.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: cbarnett97 on January 16, 2009, 12:52:24 AM
I seriously don't know why people are still using "relativistic mass" these days, when we can just easily refer to it as energy.
The only time when I see it used where it has meaning is when you are mixing gravitation and light and relativistic mass is a term that works for the "mass" the you would use for light
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tom Bishop on January 16, 2009, 01:13:38 AM
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Tom, stop with the devils advocate.  It doesn't look good for your FE stance.

Military propaganda is a weapon just as powerful as any real weapon.

Agree'd. Fire doesn't do this: http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/g_l/levine/bomb/shadow2.gif

Did the Japanese take those pictures, or did the US Military take those pictures?

Quote

Plenty of conventional bombs make mushroom clouds.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: cbarnett97 on January 16, 2009, 01:23:02 AM
Agree'd. Fire doesn't do this: http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/g_l/levine/bomb/shadow2.gif

Did the Japanese take those pictures, or did the US Military take those pictures?

Quote

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There is a big difference in the size of the mushroom cloud. I can set off a little bit of gunpowder and it will make a mushroom cloud

Plenty of conventional bombs make mushroom clouds.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: John Jackson on January 16, 2009, 06:42:40 AM
I seriously don't know why people are still using "relativistic mass" these days, when we can just easily refer to it as energy.
The only time when I see it used where it has meaning is when you are mixing gravitation and light and relativistic mass is a term that works for the "mass" the you would use for light
The only problem is that light has no mass and travels in a gravitational field as a massless particle.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: cbarnett97 on January 16, 2009, 12:23:50 PM
I seriously don't know why people are still using "relativistic mass" these days, when we can just easily refer to it as energy.
The only time when I see it used where it has meaning is when you are mixing gravitation and light and relativistic mass is a term that works for the "mass" the you would use for light
The only problem is that light has no mass and travels in a gravitational field as a massless particle.
But you must assign a "mass" to light based upon it frequency when calculating its gravitational effect
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Jack on January 16, 2009, 12:35:21 PM
Replace "mass" with energy.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Johannes on January 16, 2009, 01:44:20 PM
LOL, these round earthers know absolutely no physics then they tell us our theories are impossible.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: cbarnett97 on January 16, 2009, 01:53:04 PM
I seriously don't know why people are still using "relativistic mass" these days, when we can just easily refer to it as energy.
The only time when I see it used where it has meaning is when you are mixing gravitation and light and relativistic mass is a term that works for the "mass" the you would use for light
The only problem is that light has no mass and travels in a gravitational field as a massless particle.
But you must assign a "mass" to light based upon it frequency when calculating its gravitational effect
There is a reason I put mass in quotes. If you want to calculate gravitational acceleration by only using energy go right ahead I on the other hand will do it correctly and calculate its relativistic mass before I calculate its acceleration.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: John Jackson on January 16, 2009, 02:28:47 PM
I seriously don't know why people are still using "relativistic mass" these days, when we can just easily refer to it as energy.
The only time when I see it used where it has meaning is when you are mixing gravitation and light and relativistic mass is a term that works for the "mass" the you would use for light
The only problem is that light has no mass and travels in a gravitational field as a massless particle.
But you must assign a "mass" to light based upon it frequency when calculating its gravitational effect
your retarted. [/physics]
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: cbarnett97 on January 16, 2009, 03:22:18 PM
I seriously don't know why people are still using "relativistic mass" these days, when we can just easily refer to it as energy.
The only time when I see it used where it has meaning is when you are mixing gravitation and light and relativistic mass is a term that works for the "mass" the you would use for light
The only problem is that light has no mass and travels in a gravitational field as a massless particle.
But you must assign a "mass" to light based upon it frequency when calculating its gravitational effect
your retarted. [/physics]
Study physics further than what Wiki will teach you
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: John Jackson on January 16, 2009, 03:25:09 PM
I seriously don't know why people are still using "relativistic mass" these days, when we can just easily refer to it as energy.
The only time when I see it used where it has meaning is when you are mixing gravitation and light and relativistic mass is a term that works for the "mass" the you would use for light
The only problem is that light has no mass and travels in a gravitational field as a massless particle.
But you must assign a "mass" to light based upon it frequency when calculating its gravitational effect
your retarted. [/physics]
Study physics further than what Wiki will teach you
Stop talking to yourself.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: cbarnett97 on January 16, 2009, 03:32:24 PM
I seriously don't know why people are still using "relativistic mass" these days, when we can just easily refer to it as energy.
The only time when I see it used where it has meaning is when you are mixing gravitation and light and relativistic mass is a term that works for the "mass" the you would use for light
The only problem is that light has no mass and travels in a gravitational field as a massless particle.
But you must assign a "mass" to light based upon it frequency when calculating its gravitational effect
your retarted. [/physics]
Study physics further than what Wiki will teach you
Stop talking to yourself.
Here let me help you, I know it is hard to get away from wiki

http://www.setileague.org/askdr/photon.htm (http://www.setileague.org/askdr/photon.htm)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Jack on January 16, 2009, 03:58:18 PM
I seriously don't know why people are still using "relativistic mass" these days, when we can just easily refer to it as energy.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: John Jackson on January 16, 2009, 05:38:30 PM
I seriously don't know why people are still using "relativistic mass" these days, when we can just easily refer to it as energy.
The only time when I see it used where it has meaning is when you are mixing gravitation and light and relativistic mass is a term that works for the "mass" the you would use for light
The only problem is that light has no mass and travels in a gravitational field as a massless particle.
But you must assign a "mass" to light based upon it frequency when calculating its gravitational effect
your retarted. [/physics]
Study physics further than what Wiki will teach you
Stop talking to yourself.
Here let me help you, I know it is hard to get away from wiki

http://www.setileague.org/askdr/photon.htm (http://www.setileague.org/askdr/photon.htm)
The webpage you linked does not address the question correctly.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: cbarnett97 on January 16, 2009, 05:40:50 PM
I seriously don't know why people are still using "relativistic mass" these days, when we can just easily refer to it as energy.
g=Gm/r2
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: John Jackson on January 16, 2009, 05:51:30 PM
I seriously don't know why people are still using "relativistic mass" these days, when we can just easily refer to it as energy.
g=Gm/r2
you're obtuse.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Jack on January 16, 2009, 06:00:05 PM
I seriously don't know why people are still using "relativistic mass" these days, when we can just easily refer to it as energy.
g=Gm/r2
And you're applying a relativistic situation into a non-relativistic equation because...?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: cbarnett97 on January 16, 2009, 06:02:52 PM
I seriously don't know why people are still using "relativistic mass" these days, when we can just easily refer to it as energy.
g=Gm/r2
And you're applying a relativistic situation into a non-relativistic equation because...?
that is a relativistic equation
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Jack on January 16, 2009, 06:04:26 PM
Uh, no. M != m

The "m" in that equation is invariant mass, not relativistic mass.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: John Jackson on January 16, 2009, 06:06:52 PM
'cbarnett97', you obviously have not passed any course in General Relativity, so, please, either read some more, or stop posting on this matter.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: cbarnett97 on January 16, 2009, 06:13:54 PM
Uh, no. M != m

The "m" in that equation is invariant mass, not relativistic mass.
and what is the invariant mass of a photon?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Jack on January 16, 2009, 06:14:27 PM
0.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: John Jackson on January 16, 2009, 06:28:46 PM
Perhaps this link would be of some use to see how propagation of light in a weak gravitational field is treated:

http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/Physics/8-962Spring-2006/780453EB-413B-46A2-84AC-EAC6DBB34126/0/glens.pdf (http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/Physics/8-962Spring-2006/780453EB-413B-46A2-84AC-EAC6DBB34126/0/glens.pdf)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: cbarnett97 on January 16, 2009, 10:36:47 PM
Perhaps this link would be of some use to see how propagation of light in a weak gravitational field is treated:

http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/Physics/8-962Spring-2006/780453EB-413B-46A2-84AC-EAC6DBB34126/0/glens.pdf (http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/Physics/8-962Spring-2006/780453EB-413B-46A2-84AC-EAC6DBB34126/0/glens.pdf)
And that shows how relativistic mass is an outdated term how?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MrKappa on January 17, 2009, 02:58:56 AM
This professor at Berkley seems to think that Calutrons were discovered when the UN went after Saddam Hussein...

A calutron being the device used to refine Uranium into a usable nuclear weapons grade material.


Interesting... jmo...

"Nukes 4of6: Enrichment, Nuclear Iraq and Nuclear Reactors" - Richard Muller


Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: khastman on January 18, 2009, 03:45:31 PM
Uhh, you do realize that hundreds of nuclear bombs have been tested around the world and that north korea has nowhere near the ability to create any CGI.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tom Bishop on January 18, 2009, 08:47:52 PM
Uhh, you do realize that hundreds of nuclear bombs have been tested around the world and that north korea has nowhere near the ability to create any CGI.

Why would North Korea need to create CGI?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mythix Profit on January 18, 2009, 10:10:31 PM
I've met certain persons who "worked" at the aledged Test Site out here who will swear, on a bible and a fifth, that all that "nukyilar bombs" is a big hoax and that the top Brass spend the budget on hookers and blow here in Sin C.

But then; how do you explain that radioactive Elvis clone roaming the desert wastes preying on unwary tourists?

Tom, you seem to be a near complete fuckin' tool.


"When the the inescapable truth of the lie permeates your every thought, then you are fully brain-jacked by the agents of the Contunuous Conspiracy conspiracy and may be irrevocably mentally comprimised."
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Violent on January 23, 2009, 08:15:21 AM
Check out this revealing article about fake Russian nuclear bombs: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19981118/ai_n14192997

It proves that fake nuclear bombs do exist.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Ziosin on January 23, 2009, 09:08:56 AM
Nukes exist. The damage and radiation levels (and sicknesses within survivors) prove so. No single bomb in existence could ever match radiation levels or destruction scales that high except the nuke. And it IS true that the plane that dropped the nuke, only dropped one single bomb.


Dunno if this counts as proof either:
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Violent on January 24, 2009, 01:12:06 AM
"Nukes exist. The damage and radiation levels (and sicknesses within survivors) prove so."

I have not seen: damage, radiation levels, sickness, with my own eyes. Have you?

Most of us have seen these things on television, or in photos.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: cbarnett97 on January 24, 2009, 01:17:31 AM
"Nukes exist. The damage and radiation levels (and sicknesses within survivors) prove so."

I have not seen: damage, radiation levels, sickness, with my own eyes. Have you?

Most of us have seen these things on television, or in photos.
Yes I have
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on January 24, 2009, 04:09:33 AM
Uhh, you do realize that hundreds of nuclear bombs have been tested around the world and that north korea has nowhere near the ability to create any CGI.

Because Korea is a primitive civilization barely out of the dark ages  ::)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Jack on January 24, 2009, 10:55:27 AM
I have not seen: damage, radiation levels, sickness, with my own eyes. Have you?
This is a common logical fallacy. I guess, by your argument, atoms and bacteria do not exist.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tom Bishop on January 24, 2009, 07:15:33 PM
This is a common logical fallacy. I guess, by your argument, atoms and bacteria do not exist.


There are a couple things wrong with your statement.

First of all, we can see bacteria with a classroom microscope.

Secondly, there is no empirical evidence that atoms exist. No one has seen what exists within an electron shell. What we know as atoms could easily be something entirely different: http://www.glafreniere.com/matter.htm
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: cbarnett97 on January 24, 2009, 07:18:13 PM
This is a common logical fallacy. I guess, by your argument, atoms and bacteria do not exist.

First of all, we can see bacteria with a classroom microscope.

Secondly, there is no empirical evidence that atoms exist. What we know as atoms could easily be something entirely different: http://www.glafreniere.com/matter.htm
Who made the microscopes?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Jack on January 24, 2009, 07:25:49 PM
There are a couple things wrong with your statement.

First of all, we can see bacteria with a classroom microscope.
:-\

That's why his argument is a logical fallacy. Just because he doesn't see radiation levels/damage with his own eyes, doesn't mean nukes do not exist.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tom Bishop on January 24, 2009, 07:33:50 PM
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:-\

That's why his argument is a logical fallacy. Just because he doesn't see radiation levels/damage with his own eyes, doesn't mean nukes do not exist.

I believe he was saying that there is no empirical evidence for nukes, which there isn't.

Your phrase "just because you can't see it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist" sounds like some lame excuse for the existence of ghosts.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Jack on January 24, 2009, 07:50:49 PM
I believe he was saying that there is no empirical evidence for nukes, which there isn't.
Read:

I have not seen: damage, radiation levels, sickness, with my own eyes. Have you?

So nukes don't exist just because he, some random guy on the internet, never saw the results of a nuclear strike in his life? Other people might have seen the results, but not him. What makes him so credible that I should accept his argument as the reason why nukes don't exist?

Your phrase "just because you can't see it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist" sounds like some lame excuse for the existence of ghosts.
We never know, as ghosts might exist; we just probably don't have the technology to detect them without relying on our naked eyes. Same thing to bacteria; we can't see a bacterium with our naked eyes, but we can with a microscope.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: gjalexander on January 27, 2009, 11:10:02 AM
I agree the footage of the nuclear bomb detonations does look supsect. The back drafts which also appear quite damaging consistently appear a little too soon.

Another question I also have is surely the two halves of the uranium bomb or the sub-critical mass of plutonium in the implosion bomb, would have got a little a bit warm even though not exploded. I'd like to see what the modified half lives of those lumps of radioactive material were.

I am also sceptical about the physics supporting the A-bomb. Knowing that relativity is wrong, see my website www.webspawner.com/users/relativity (http://www.webspawner.com/users/relativity), and that the classical laws of physics are wrong also, see www.webspawner.com/users/gjalex (http://www.webspawner.com/users/gjalex), quantum physics must also fall as it is entirely dependant on the classical equations.

It is also strange that at the time they weren't even fully aware of the dangers of radiation!  :P 
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Jono on February 04, 2009, 09:23:09 PM
Maybe the part where the Nuclear Bombs completely take out the communication for an area far greater than that of the actual destruction factors into this? It was very strategic, drop a bomb, and suddenly a huge part of the country has no functional telephone wires. Drop another, and chaos ensues.

It involves an incredibly top secret compression process, of course it doesn't make "sense" with the physics that we understand, or the process wouldn't be top secret anymore.

~Jono
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: iznih on February 05, 2009, 01:41:26 PM

I am also sceptical about the physics supporting the A-bomb. Knowing that relativity is wrong, see my website www.webspawner.com/users/relativity (http://www.webspawner.com/users/relativity), and that the classical laws of physics are wrong also, see www.webspawner.com/users/gjalex (http://www.webspawner.com/users/gjalex), quantum physics must also fall as it is entirely dependant on the classical equations.


i had to laugh a lot at that
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: tungs10 on February 06, 2009, 05:22:49 PM

You might as well ask, "Is nuclear energy real?"   They charge a reactor with a couple tons of fuel pellets and the reactor
turns out hundreds of megawatts of power for the next two years.  So where did that energy come from?  Those pellets
are only enriched to about 1.2% U235. Now take 2 10 pound pieces of uranium enriched to 70% U235, drive them together at supersonic speed so they don't vaporize before the chain reaction has a chance to get started - it should come as very little surprise that you would suddenly get several terajoules of energy.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: ItRestsOnInfiniteTurtles on February 06, 2009, 06:17:00 PM
Jack that's interesting you should mention E=mc? - check this out: According to Einstein mass and energy are "different manifestations of the same thing," and "very small amounts of mass may be converted in to a very large amount of energy." Now this all sounds very scientific, but it's very important to note its title: The Theory of *Relativity* -which is dissolutionist- and next and perhaps even more revealing is the spoken equation itself, which is apparently Masonic / Kabalist: E is equal to mc-squared, in which energy is put equal to mass, multiplied by the square of the velocity of light." We've got the Square mentioned repeatedly. Light is given a velocity and is squared.



If you assume that the speed of light is the same in inertial reference frames, then you are forced to conclude that, at least for inertial frames, velocities transform according the the Lorentz transformations. Now, the assumption that the speed of light is the same in all inertial frames is supported by experiment and electromagnetic theory. But you mention c^2, but LIGHT isn't the real key here. SPACE AND TIME are. If you assume light has the same velocity in all inertial frames, you are saying something about space and time as much as you are saying something about light, and in turn you are saying something about the universe as a whole.

Anyway, from that, and the assumption that momentum is conserved, it is straight forward mathematically to prove that E = y mc^2, where y is the Lorentz factor, is valid (although it's usually written as E^2).


As far as c being squared... what do you think the physical units of energy ARE in the first place? Kilograms times meters/second squared. Squaring c makes PERFECT sense in an energy relation. Just like KE = (1/2)mv^2, mc^2 is the exact unit of energy.



It's actually fairly easy to derive it from the basic assumptions that the speed of light is constant in inertial frames and that momentum is conserved. I've already done nearly half of it here for you, lol.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=3152.msg609126#msg609126
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Delthan on May 06, 2009, 06:25:45 PM
Quote
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That's why his argument is a logical fallacy. Just because he doesn't see radiation levels/damage with his own eyes, doesn't mean nukes do not exist.

I believe he was saying that there is no empirical evidence for nukes, which there isn't.

Your phrase "just because you can't see it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist" sounds like some lame excuse for the existence of ghosts.

Are you seriously suggesting that the Japanese willingly conspired with their war time enemy to level two of their own cities killing hundreds of thousands of their own people and mutilitaing even more to fake the appearance of a new super weapon? What possible reason Tom? Your belief that NASA has been able to fake photographs since the sixties is quite a stretch, but the US army and Japanese being able to do it in the forties? Seriously Tom?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Jesus Crotch on May 07, 2009, 01:30:50 PM

The majority of the structures in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were rickety termite eaten poor Japanese wooden houses.  Many still question why those two cities were chosen as targets since they had no military value. Up until then every Japanese city was chosen based on military value. It's clear that those two old wooden cities were chosen for maximum propaganda value.

Was this in ENaG, Tom?  It is utter bullshit.  In 1945, Hiroshima was home to FM Hata's  2nd Gener Army Headquarters, responsible for the defense of the southern portion of Japan.  It was an assembly area for troops, a communications hub, and a 'warehouse' city for military supplies.  There were also quite a few targets of industrial and military significance.

Nagasaki was the third larges sea port in Southern Japan, from which millions of pounds of ammunition, ships, and various military and other war supplies were distributed.  One of Mitsubishi's main factories was located here, and was bombed with conventional munitions in the months before the atomic attack.

Seriously, where do you get this crap?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: echa on May 23, 2009, 02:33:02 PM
What about the survivors from Hiroshima and Nagasaki that say nukes were used? No single conventional bomb could have caused that much damage. As for the video claiming they might not exist...you keep going back to saying it looks like they're zooming in on the sun. That's exactly what you would expect it to look like. Its a similar reaction happening in a nuke and in the sun(at least the early nukes which used only fission). If you're talking about newer fusion based nukes then it should look exactly like the center of the sun.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: WLO on May 26, 2009, 05:37:43 PM
Thank you for your fair response.

The damage to Hiroshima is not proof of nuclear bombs.

No, but it is pretty damning evidence.  What else do you purpose did that sort of damage?  I can't watch the video.  They're blocked on my work computer.
Demons.  The US Government summoned demons to destroy Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: kkthegrunt on June 07, 2009, 04:42:20 AM
Can you prove that atoms even exist?
We have magnets that can move signle atoms. What interests me is what makes up the stuff that makes up the stuff that makes up the stuff (and so on and so forth) of atoms. It should, theoretically, go on for infinity.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: konataizumi on June 11, 2009, 10:07:37 PM
ask the thousands that died in japan if atom bombs are fake

(http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:_4LrCSFxEDgkwM:http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3751/55174084.png)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Parsifal on June 12, 2009, 02:52:47 AM
ask the thousands that died in japan if atom bombs are fake

Which people that died in Japan? I hear 1.14 million people died in that country last year alone.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: The_Earth on June 13, 2009, 03:35:04 PM
Ask Japan, they'll tell you.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on June 13, 2009, 05:05:12 PM
Ask Japan, they'll tell you.

Japan is a country, a country is a) singular and b) incapable of speech.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: mazty88 on June 17, 2009, 07:47:46 PM
I've put together a seven minute piece which asks the question "Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?":

Although this possibility is rarely postulated, and although when it is put forth it always receives scathing incredulity, even from the most skeptical conspiracy theorists, I am certain that the canon of nuclear/atomic explosion footage shown to the public starting in the 1940s was falsified from the beginning.

Nuclear bombs are the cornerstone of the world's military-industrial control structure. It is therefore necessary that, if the current order is to be maintained, everyone must believe in them.
If they didn't exist and work, then why the fuck are countries not invading each other? You forget that each country tests out their own weapons at the cost of billions of dollars.
If they were fake, nobody would bother with them.
Really, really stupid idea.
Get your head out of the Bible, back into real life, and get yourself an education. You're a disgrace to humanity.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: elodbob on June 27, 2009, 05:47:12 PM
Thank you for your fair response.

The damage to Hiroshima is not proof of nuclear bombs.

No, but it is pretty damning evidence.  What else do you purpose did that sort of damage?  I can't watch the video.  They're blocked on my work computer.

Well the damage from Hiroshima looks just like the results of the fire bombing of Tokyo:

Nuclear Blast aftermath at Hiroshima: http://www.moonofalabama.org/images/Hiroshima-big.jpg

Firebombing aftermath at Tokyo: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Tokyo_1945-3-10-1.jpg

The majority of the structures in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were rickety termite eaten poor Japanese wooden houses.  Many still question why those two cities were chosen as targets since they had no military value. Up until then every Japanese city was chosen based on military value. It's clear that those two old wooden cities were chosen for maximum propaganda value.

What about the cancer? You know. how people were disfigured and got cancer from living in nagasaki, but not tokyo?

Or how people wearing dark clothing got burned only where the clothes were dark. This is consistent with photon emission of a nuclear weapon.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Guessed on June 27, 2009, 10:19:03 PM
So you're saying that after World War 2 there were no cases of cancer or deformity at all in Tokyo? That's a rather sweeping assumption.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sphericalE on July 21, 2009, 02:45:54 PM
of course nukes exist and even those who dont believe in them can still die by them.  :o
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sphericalE on July 21, 2009, 02:49:13 PM

If they didn't exist and work, then why the fuck are countries not invading each other? You forget that each country tests out their own weapons at the cost of billions of dollars.
If they were fake, nobody would bother with them.
Really, really stupid idea.
Get your head out of the Bible, back into real life, and get yourself an education. You're a disgrace to humanity.
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Lovely way of putting it :) couldnt have said it better my self
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: SweetRiverPhil on July 25, 2009, 07:21:49 AM
you guys like to argue.

I like that.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on July 25, 2009, 08:46:17 AM
Can you prove that atoms even exist?
We have magnets that can move signle atoms. What interests me is what makes up the stuff that makes up the stuff that makes up the stuff (and so on and so forth) of atoms. It should, theoretically, go on for infinity.

I just noticed this post, to answer your question, energy.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: parsec on July 25, 2009, 09:01:08 AM
Jack that's interesting you should mention E=mc? - check this out: According to Einstein mass and energy are "different manifestations of the same thing," and "very small amounts of mass may be converted in to a very large amount of energy." Now this all sounds very scientific, but it's very important to note its title: The Theory of *Relativity* -which is dissolutionist- and next and perhaps even more revealing is the spoken equation itself, which is apparently Masonic / Kabalist: E is equal to mc-squared, in which energy is put equal to mass, multiplied by the square of the velocity of light." We've got the Square mentioned repeatedly. Light is given a velocity and is squared.
E=MC2 is the simplified version and assumes no energy other than what is in the mass itself. The proper equation is:

E2 - (pc)2 = (m0c2)2

E is energy
p is momentum
m0 is the rest mass of the object
c is the speed of light

As you can see, this is not the simple equation that you claim is Masonic/Kabalist.
What kind of 'object' are you talking about?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on July 25, 2009, 09:03:57 AM
Any object made of mass.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: parsec on July 25, 2009, 09:06:32 AM
how do you know what the momentum of the 'object' is?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on July 25, 2009, 09:12:31 AM
how do you know what the momentum of the 'object' is?

P=mv
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: parsec on July 25, 2009, 09:12:50 AM
what is m?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on July 25, 2009, 09:14:29 AM
what is m?

A letter.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: parsec on July 25, 2009, 09:15:34 AM
how do i measure a letter?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on July 25, 2009, 09:17:51 AM
how do i measure a letter?
A ruler?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: parsec on July 25, 2009, 09:21:33 AM
but that's measuring the length of a particular occurrence of a given letter.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on July 25, 2009, 09:57:32 AM
but that's measuring the length of a particular occurrence of a given letter.

Yes.


Now could you really make a point sometime soon? Asking random questions is kind of pointless.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: parsec on July 25, 2009, 10:00:57 AM
E=MC2 is the simplified version and assumes no energy other than what is in the mass itself. The proper equation is:

E2 - (pc)2 = (m0c2)2

E is energy
p is momentum
m0 is the rest mass of the object
c is the speed of light

As you can see, this is not the simple equation that you claim is Masonic/Kabalist.

how do you know what the momentum of the 'object' is?

P=mv

What does your symbol 'm' stand for?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Delthan on July 25, 2009, 11:57:30 AM
E=MC2 is the simplified version and assumes no energy other than what is in the mass itself. The proper equation is:

E2 - (pc)2 = (m0c2)2

E is energy
p is momentum
m0 is the rest mass of the object
c is the speed of light

As you can see, this is not the simple equation that you claim is Masonic/Kabalist.

how do you know what the momentum of the 'object' is?

P=mv

What does your symbol 'm' stand for?

Mass
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on July 25, 2009, 03:43:59 PM
E=MC2 is the simplified version and assumes no energy other than what is in the mass itself. The proper equation is:

E2 - (pc)2 = (m0c2)2

E is energy
p is momentum
m0 is the rest mass of the object
c is the speed of light

As you can see, this is not the simple equation that you claim is Masonic/Kabalist.

how do you know what the momentum of the 'object' is?

P=mv

What does your symbol 'm' stand for?

Thank you, it stands for mass, P stands for momentum, v stands for velocity which is a vector quantity similar to speed but containing a direction.

Now do you have any questions that require more than a 9th grade knowledge of science?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Pongo on July 26, 2009, 02:19:10 AM
I understand why there is confusion in this thread,  I have yet to -- and nor will I -- post how I fell about it so that the rest of you may alter your opinions accordingly.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: 17 November on July 26, 2009, 03:08:38 AM
If Violent ever returns, request that he repost the link for fake Russian nuclear bombs because it does not connect.  Ralph Epperson wrote a book about this, but I would like to see Violent's information.

As for Tom Bishop, I personally do not believe that most if any of the old bomb pictures are doctored because one can see from the photographs themselves that these bombs did not blow up an entire metropolitan area.  This is impossible as there is a physical limit to the extent of damage one bomb can accomplish.  Bethat as it may, Tom Bishop's overall conclusion is correct as usual.

At any rate, I think both Violent and Tom Bishop may be interested to see my thread on this same subject which has answered all of these questions and taken the subject further by proving that atoms do not even exist.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11293.0
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Emailed on August 20, 2009, 08:52:15 AM
http://emailsfromcrazypeople.com/2009/08/19/also-the-moon-is-made-of-cheese/#comments

apparently this topic made it to this page.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: T.P. Crockmier on August 24, 2009, 07:10:52 PM
This speculation on whether or not nuclear bombs exist is an incredible insult to the victims and victim's families of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings.  It's like saying that the Columbine Shootings in Colorado were faked.  It is incredibly insensitive to anyone affected by these tragedies. 

A Flat Earth is one thing, this post took it too far.  Period.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: parsec on August 25, 2009, 07:04:02 AM
This speculation on whether or not nuclear bombs exist is an incredible insult to the victims and victim's families of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings.  It's like saying that the Columbine Shootings in Colorado were faked.  It is incredibly insensitive to anyone affected by these tragedies. 

A Flat Earth is one thing, this post took it too far.  Period.

Freedom of speech, etc.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on August 25, 2009, 09:08:34 AM
This speculation on whether or not nuclear bombs exist is an incredible insult to the victims and victim's families of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings. 

no it isn't. They died due to war not to advance science.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: bl4ke360 on September 13, 2009, 04:06:43 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7969902@N07/510672745/sizes/l/in/set-72157600253743362/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7969902@N07/511103951/sizes/l/in/set-72157600253743362/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7969902@N07/511287693/sizes/l/in/set-72157600253743362/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7969902@N07/511234695/sizes/l/in/set-72157600253743362/

http://zvis.com/nuclear/nukimgs.shtml




Absolute proof:

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Benjamin Franklin on September 13, 2009, 07:09:09 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7969902@N07/510672745/sizes/l/in/set-72157600253743362/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7969902@N07/511103951/sizes/l/in/set-72157600253743362/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7969902@N07/511287693/sizes/l/in/set-72157600253743362/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7969902@N07/511234695/sizes/l/in/set-72157600253743362/

http://zvis.com/nuclear/nukimgs.shtml




Absolute proof:


Really? So the death star must exist too.

http://images.google.com/images?q=death%20star&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi

Absolute proof:

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: bl4ke360 on September 13, 2009, 09:52:22 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7969902@N07/510672745/sizes/l/in/set-72157600253743362/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7969902@N07/511103951/sizes/l/in/set-72157600253743362/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7969902@N07/511287693/sizes/l/in/set-72157600253743362/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7969902@N07/511234695/sizes/l/in/set-72157600253743362/

http://zvis.com/nuclear/nukimgs.shtml




Absolute proof:


Really? So the death star must exist too.

http://images.google.com/images?q=death%20star&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi

Absolute proof:



Maybe you wanna ask this Hiroshima survivor if nuclear bombs are real then.

http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f149/74311d1248366199-hiroshima-atomic-bomb-survivor-charonboat_dot_com_hiroshima_victim.jpg
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Parsifal on September 13, 2009, 11:13:18 PM
Maybe you wanna ask this Hiroshima survivor if nuclear bombs are real then.

http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f149/74311d1248366199-hiroshima-atomic-bomb-survivor-charonboat_dot_com_hiroshima_victim.jpg

If a nuclear weapon was really dropped on Hiroshima, there would be no survivors. Just shows how much you know about the subject you're trying to defend. ::)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: bl4ke360 on September 13, 2009, 11:15:12 PM
Maybe you wanna ask this Hiroshima survivor if nuclear bombs are real then.

http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f149/74311d1248366199-hiroshima-atomic-bomb-survivor-charonboat_dot_com_hiroshima_victim.jpg

If a nuclear weapon was really dropped on Hiroshima, there would be no survivors. Just shows how much you know about the subject you're trying to defend. ::)

And how would you know the damage specifics of nuclear bombs in specific cities if they were never used in the first place?
Nice faulty logic there. Just what I'd expect from a flat earther.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Parsifal on September 13, 2009, 11:19:10 PM
And how would you know the damage specifics of nuclear bombs in specific cities if they were never used in the first place?
Nice faulty logic there. Just what I'd expect from a flat earther.

Nuclear bombs kill people. Isn't that the main argument against them?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: bl4ke360 on September 13, 2009, 11:24:14 PM
And how would you know the damage specifics of nuclear bombs in specific cities if they were never used in the first place?
Nice faulty logic there. Just what I'd expect from a flat earther.

Nuclear bombs kill people. Isn't that the main argument against them?

People can survive all sorts of things, your argument is irrelevant. Thousands of people have survived gunshots through the brain, does this mean bullets are also a conspiracy? It doesn't mean every person in the entire city would be dead, obviously because the blast gets less intense the further away from it. Also you have other variables to account for such as buildings.

http://www.damninteresting.com/eyewitnesses-to-hiroshima-and-nagasaki?p=522?q123

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Parsifal on September 13, 2009, 11:28:07 PM
People can survive all sorts of things, your argument is irrelevant. Thousands of people have survived gunshots through the brain, does this mean bullets are also a conspiracy? It doesn't mean every person in the entire city would be dead, obviously because the blast gets less intense the further away from it. Also you have other variables to account for such as buildings.

http://www.damninteresting.com/eyewitnesses-to-hiroshima-and-nagasaki?p=522?q123

Guns aren't intended to kill people, which is why they are tolerated in society. By contrast, a nuclear bomb is built to kill people, and if it wasn't seen to work in tests then they wouldn't use it in practice. Therefore, if people were affected by the blast but did not die, it was not a nuclear bomb which caused the explosion.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: bl4ke360 on September 13, 2009, 11:32:44 PM
People can survive all sorts of things, your argument is irrelevant. Thousands of people have survived gunshots through the brain, does this mean bullets are also a conspiracy? It doesn't mean every person in the entire city would be dead, obviously because the blast gets less intense the further away from it. Also you have other variables to account for such as buildings.

http://www.damninteresting.com/eyewitnesses-to-hiroshima-and-nagasaki?p=522?q123

Guns aren't intended to kill people, which is why they are tolerated in society. By contrast, a nuclear bomb is built to kill people, and if it wasn't seen to work in tests then they wouldn't use it in practice. Therefore, if people were affected by the blast but did not die, it was not a nuclear bomb which caused the explosion.

Your logic is just hilarious, I wish I had more room in my sig to add your post there. It's probably the stupidest reasoning I've heard in my life. Grenades used in war are also intended to kill people, but thousands of people survived grenade blasts. Using your logic, grenades couldn't possibly exist. (http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/smilies//lol.gif)

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Parsifal on September 13, 2009, 11:37:23 PM
Your logic is just hilarious, I wish I had more room in my sig to add your post there. It's probably the stupidest reasoning I've heard in my life. Grenades used in war are also intended to kill people, but thousands of people survived grenade blasts. Using your logic, grenades couldn't possibly exist. (http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/smilies//lol.gif)

Grenades don't undergo rigorous testing the way nuclear weapons are purported to. Besides, very often grenades are intended simply to maim their victims and place strain on the enemy's medical facilities.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: bl4ke360 on September 13, 2009, 11:50:13 PM
Your logic is just hilarious, I wish I had more room in my sig to add your post there. It's probably the stupidest reasoning I've heard in my life. Grenades used in war are also intended to kill people, but thousands of people survived grenade blasts. Using your logic, grenades couldn't possibly exist. (http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/smilies//lol.gif)

Grenades don't undergo rigorous testing the way nuclear weapons are purported to.

Of course because you're a weapons expert. Before Hiroshima, there wasn't even any nuclear bomb tests. Hiroshima was the first nuclear bomb ever used. However, grenades were tested hundreds to thousands of times before they were ever brought into the battlefield.
You really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mrs. Peach on September 14, 2009, 12:01:01 AM
Wikipedia is your friend:

"Trinity was the first test of technology for an atomic weapon. It was conducted by the United States on July 16, 1945, at a location 35 miles (56 km) southeast of Socorro, New Mexico on the White Sands Proving Ground, headquartered near Alamogordo. Trinity was a test of an implosion-design plutonium device. Using the same conceptual design, the Fat Man device was dropped on Nagasaki, Japan, on August 9. The Trinity detonation was equivalent to the explosion of around 20 kilotons of TNT and is usually considered the beginning of the Atomic Age."

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: bl4ke360 on September 14, 2009, 04:02:23 PM
Wikipedia is your friend:

"Trinity was the first test of technology for an atomic weapon. It was conducted by the United States on July 16, 1945, at a location 35 miles (56 km) southeast of Socorro, New Mexico on the White Sands Proving Ground, headquartered near Alamogordo. Trinity was a test of an implosion-design plutonium device. Using the same conceptual design, the Fat Man device was dropped on Nagasaki, Japan, on August 9. The Trinity detonation was equivalent to the explosion of around 20 kilotons of TNT and is usually considered the beginning of the Atomic Age."



So since you're admitting they have been used before, what is the point of this thread?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mrs. Peach on September 14, 2009, 04:58:52 PM
I thought I giving you an opportunity to correct your post:

Of course because you're a weapons expert. Before Hiroshima, there wasn't even any nuclear bomb tests. Hiroshima was the first nuclear bomb ever used. However, grenades were tested hundreds to thousands of times before they were ever brought into the battlefield.
You really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

If my opinion is the definitive answer to this thread, it's the first I've heard about it and if you choose to continue thinking that no tests were ever done, it's okay with me.  Let your error stand.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: bl4ke360 on September 14, 2009, 05:26:12 PM
I thought I giving you an opportunity to correct your post:

Of course because you're a weapons expert. Before Hiroshima, there wasn't even any nuclear bomb tests. Hiroshima was the first nuclear bomb ever used. However, grenades were tested hundreds to thousands of times before they were ever brought into the battlefield.
You really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

If my opinion is the definitive answer to this thread, it's the first I've heard about it and if you choose to continue thinking that no tests were ever done, it's okay with me.  Let your error stand.


If it's a fact that tests have been done, then it proves nuclear bombs exist which makes this entire thread worthless.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mrs. Peach on September 14, 2009, 05:31:48 PM
I seem to remember a number of people on this thread that would dispute the Wikipedia article.  Are you just dismissing them all? Or are you agreeing with them?  Your 'if' leaves the question open.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: loki700 on September 14, 2009, 09:28:53 PM
Before Hiroshima, there wasn't even any nuclear bomb tests. Hiroshima was the first nuclear bomb ever used.
What?  I believe you mean the first one used in war, it was tested beforehand.  No military in its right mind would send out people on an attack with untested equipment.

As for other weapons, guns are made to kill, when the first "gonnes" were made they had one purpose and one purpose only, to kill enemy soldiers.  That being said small arms are tested much more rigorously than other weapons because they are used the most and the lives of soldiers depend most on them.  They're also much cheaper to test on.  And this was in response to robosteve.

The real sad thing is that the original poster actually has people believing the same thing, if he were alone in his ignorance i wouldn't be as depressed about this whole thing.  I also find it kind of funny that he is so critical about something when he hasn't even looked at the theory backing it up.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Violent on September 24, 2009, 01:40:56 AM
New supporting evidence that nuclear bombs might not exist:

loki700: The "theory backing it up," as you put it, is Einstein's flawed "Theory of Relativity" which is officially debunked: http://www.you.com.au/news/1121.htm
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Pete on September 24, 2009, 07:29:12 PM
New supporting evidence that nuclear bombs might not exist:

loki700: The "theory backing it up," as you put it, is Einstein's flawed "Theory of Relativity" which is officially debunked: http://www.you.com.au/news/1121.htm


Yes, because unauthenticated quotes from American POWs, who are deprived of information while in a prison camp, which are then put in a youtube video, definitely constitute proof.


All those military reports, test results, pictures, post-war fatalities report and declassified documents that anyone can look up are probably lies.  :D
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: ShnitzelKiller on October 09, 2009, 12:48:49 PM
Jack that's interesting you should mention E=mc? - check this out: According to Einstein mass and energy are "different manifestations of the same thing," and "very small amounts of mass may be converted in to a very large amount of energy." Now this all sounds very scientific, but it's very important to note its title: The Theory of *Relativity* -which is dissolutionist- and next and perhaps even more revealing is the spoken equation itself, which is apparently Masonic / Kabalist: E is equal to mc-squared, in which energy is put equal to mass, multiplied by the square of the velocity of light." We've got the Square mentioned repeatedly. Light is given a velocity and is squared.

Well yes, that's how nuclear power stations work. Even if you deny the existence of nukes then power stations still prove that the equation is sound.

Well, he'd deny the existence of those, too.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on October 17, 2009, 09:10:15 AM
Can you prove that atoms even exist?

The very fact that you are typing on a computer is proof enough.  All electronic devices are based on the fundamentals of quantum mechanics and atomic theory.  Proof of their existence is well established. 
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Dr Matrix on October 17, 2009, 10:08:01 AM
I love this thread  ;D
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on October 17, 2009, 10:34:06 AM
Can you prove that atoms even exist?

The very fact that you are typing on a computer is proof enough.  All electronic devices are based on the fundamentals of quantum mechanics and atomic theory.  Proof of their existence is well established. 

Can you prove anything you just said or are you parroting back what you've been told?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on October 17, 2009, 03:50:02 PM
Can you prove that atoms even exist?

The very fact that you are typing on a computer is proof enough.  All electronic devices are based on the fundamentals of quantum mechanics and atomic theory.  Proof of their existence is well established. 

Can you prove anything you just said or are you parroting back what you've been told?
As an Electrical Engineer, yes I can.  Any specific questions or should I just have you google a tunnel diode?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on October 17, 2009, 06:28:11 PM
Can you prove that atoms even exist?

The very fact that you are typing on a computer is proof enough.  All electronic devices are based on the fundamentals of quantum mechanics and atomic theory.  Proof of their existence is well established. 

Can you prove anything you just said or are you parroting back what you've been told?
As an Electrical Engineer, yes I can.  Any specific questions or should I just have you google a tunnel diode?

I said can YOU prove any of those things. Not can you link to someone else who claims they have proved it.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on October 17, 2009, 07:08:34 PM
Not in any way that you would accept, but all you need are a couple of transistors, a diode or two, a power supply, and a breadboard and you can do the experiments yourself.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on October 17, 2009, 07:36:34 PM
Not in any way that you would accept, but all you need are a couple of transistors, a diode or two, a power supply, and a breadboard and you can do the experiments yourself.

None of that would prove atoms are doing that. They may lead you to believe in atoms, but I doubt they would give you a result proving once and for all that atoms do exist in the forms we claim.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Pete on October 17, 2009, 07:41:55 PM
Not in any way that you would accept, but all you need are a couple of transistors, a diode or two, a power supply, and a breadboard and you can do the experiments yourself.

None of that would prove atoms are doing that. They may lead you to believe in atoms, but I doubt they would give you a result proving once and for all that atoms do exist in the forms we claim.

Of course, that's why its still called Atomic Theory.... But for all intents and purposes of science, we consider it fact, since the theory is consistent with all known observations and data that we currently have. (unless there's something I don't know about, in which case please correct me)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on October 17, 2009, 07:45:47 PM
Not in any way that you would accept, but all you need are a couple of transistors, a diode or two, a power supply, and a breadboard and you can do the experiments yourself.

None of that would prove atoms are doing that. They may lead you to believe in atoms, but I doubt they would give you a result proving once and for all that atoms do exist in the forms we claim.

Of course, that's why its still called Atomic Theory.... But for all intents and purposes of science, we consider it fact, since the theory is consistent with all known observations and data that we currently have. (unless there's something I don't know about, in which case please correct me)

So you admit you don't know that atoms exist?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Pete on October 17, 2009, 07:48:35 PM
Not in any way that you would accept, but all you need are a couple of transistors, a diode or two, a power supply, and a breadboard and you can do the experiments yourself.

None of that would prove atoms are doing that. They may lead you to believe in atoms, but I doubt they would give you a result proving once and for all that atoms do exist in the forms we claim.

Of course, that's why its still called Atomic Theory.... But for all intents and purposes of science, we consider it fact, since the theory is consistent with all known observations and data that we currently have. (unless there's something I don't know about, in which case please correct me)

So you admit you don't know that atoms exist?

I don't know absolutely positively for sure. But then again, I don't know that you aren't a pink unicorn. You could also be a space alien. But my theory, born out by observations and all the current knowledge I posses, would indicate that you are a human being. I could be wrong, but I'm not really worrying about the possibility that I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on October 17, 2009, 07:49:21 PM
Hardly, and I might add that you have provided no evidence to the contrary.  However, I do make a living moving electrons (and photons, since I work with RFID) around.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on October 17, 2009, 08:57:25 PM
Hardly, and I might add that you have provided no evidence to the contrary.  However, I do make a living moving electrons (and photons, since I work with RFID) around.

You mean electricity and light. Very small amounts of them.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Pete on October 17, 2009, 08:58:52 PM
Hardly, and I might add that you have provided no evidence to the contrary.  However, I do make a living moving electrons (and photons, since I work with RFID) around.

You mean electricity and light. Very small amounts of them.

You have evidence that disproves atomic theory? I'm actually curious as to what you believe in if not atomic theory.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on October 17, 2009, 11:27:01 PM
Hardly, and I might add that you have provided no evidence to the contrary.  However, I do make a living moving electrons (and photons, since I work with RFID) around.

You mean electricity and light. Very small amounts of them.

Actually, electricity and radio waves. Could you please explain how electro-magnetism works if atoms dont exist? Mmmm
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Dr Matrix on October 18, 2009, 05:10:01 AM
Actually, electricity and radio waves. Could you please explain how electro-magnetism works if atoms dont exist? Mmmm

The photon does not require the existence of atoms, see the cosmic microwave background radiation.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on October 18, 2009, 07:33:09 AM
Actually, electricity and radio waves. Could you please explain how electro-magnetism works if atoms dont exist? Mmmm

The photon does not require the existence of atoms, see the cosmic microwave background radiation.
Perhaps, but i would like to see a theory of electro-magnetism that doesnt involve atoms.  My guess is that there isnt one.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Dr Matrix on October 18, 2009, 07:34:23 AM
Perhaps, but i would like to see a theory of electro-magnetism that doesnt involve atoms.  My guess is that there isnt one.

See Maxwell's Equations.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on October 18, 2009, 10:18:14 AM
Hardly, and I might add that you have provided no evidence to the contrary.  However, I do make a living moving electrons (and photons, since I work with RFID) around.

You mean electricity and light. Very small amounts of them.

You have evidence that disproves atomic theory? I'm actually curious as to what you believe in if not atomic theory.

The burden of proof is on you.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on October 18, 2009, 03:25:59 PM
Which of course is a straw man, since there is no way I could prove it to you in written form in a forum.  Except to say that the sciences of chemistry, biology, physics, and most other sciences rely on the atomic model, and if there was even a tiny error in it, it would have been noticed.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Pete on October 18, 2009, 10:20:09 PM
Hardly, and I might add that you have provided no evidence to the contrary.  However, I do make a living moving electrons (and photons, since I work with RFID) around.

You mean electricity and light. Very small amounts of them.

You have evidence that disproves atomic theory? I'm actually curious as to what you believe in if not atomic theory.

The burden of proof is on you.

What? I was just honestly curious as to what you believe in, if not atomic theory. Its not my responsibility to say what you believe.  ::)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on October 18, 2009, 10:58:02 PM
Hardly, and I might add that you have provided no evidence to the contrary.  However, I do make a living moving electrons (and photons, since I work with RFID) around.

You mean electricity and light. Very small amounts of them.

You have evidence that disproves atomic theory? I'm actually curious as to what you believe in if not atomic theory.

The burden of proof is on you.

That was towards your question. I don't have to disprove your theory, it is up to you to prove it.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Pete on October 18, 2009, 11:07:55 PM
Hardly, and I might add that you have provided no evidence to the contrary.  However, I do make a living moving electrons (and photons, since I work with RFID) around.

You mean electricity and light. Very small amounts of them.

You have evidence that disproves atomic theory? I'm actually curious as to what you believe in if not atomic theory.

The burden of proof is on you.

That was towards your question. I don't have to disprove your theory, it is up to you to prove it.

Christ, Raist. I'm not actually trying to debate this, I'm simply curious as to what your alternate theory to Atomic Theory is, do you have some reason for not sharing your idea with us?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on October 18, 2009, 11:17:45 PM
Hardly, and I might add that you have provided no evidence to the contrary.  However, I do make a living moving electrons (and photons, since I work with RFID) around.

You mean electricity and light. Very small amounts of them.

You have evidence that disproves atomic theory? I'm actually curious as to what you believe in if not atomic theory.

The burden of proof is on you.

That was towards your question. I don't have to disprove your theory, it is up to you to prove it.

Christ, Raist. I'm not actually trying to debate this, I'm simply curious as to what your alternate theory to Atomic Theory is, do you have some reason for not sharing your idea with us?

Oh, I believe in atoms. I was simply saying he does not know for sure that there are atoms.

It's kind of ridiculous to believe otherwise with the massive amount of evidence in favor of atomic theory.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Pete on October 18, 2009, 11:25:18 PM
Hardly, and I might add that you have provided no evidence to the contrary.  However, I do make a living moving electrons (and photons, since I work with RFID) around.

You mean electricity and light. Very small amounts of them.

You have evidence that disproves atomic theory? I'm actually curious as to what you believe in if not atomic theory.

The burden of proof is on you.

That was towards your question. I don't have to disprove your theory, it is up to you to prove it.

Christ, Raist. I'm not actually trying to debate this, I'm simply curious as to what your alternate theory to Atomic Theory is, do you have some reason for not sharing your idea with us?

Oh, I believe in atoms. I was simply saying he does not know for sure that there are atoms.

It's kind of ridiculous to believe otherwise with the massive amount of evidence in favor of atomic theory.


This is how I feel at your leading me to think for the past 24 hours or whatever that you had some uber interesting alternate theory ---->  :'(
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on October 18, 2009, 11:26:40 PM
Hardly, and I might add that you have provided no evidence to the contrary.  However, I do make a living moving electrons (and photons, since I work with RFID) around.

You mean electricity and light. Very small amounts of them.

You have evidence that disproves atomic theory? I'm actually curious as to what you believe in if not atomic theory.

The burden of proof is on you.

That was towards your question. I don't have to disprove your theory, it is up to you to prove it.

Christ, Raist. I'm not actually trying to debate this, I'm simply curious as to what your alternate theory to Atomic Theory is, do you have some reason for not sharing your idea with us?

Oh, I believe in atoms. I was simply saying he does not know for sure that there are atoms.

It's kind of ridiculous to believe otherwise with the massive amount of evidence in favor of atomic theory.


This is how I feel at your leading me to think for the past 24 hours or whatever that you had some uber interesting alternate theory ---->  :'(

Hmm, I could go with the Greek model of the 5 elements, where everything is made up of fire, water etc.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Dr Matrix on October 18, 2009, 11:59:36 PM
Which of course is a straw man, since there is no way I could prove it to you in written form in a forum.  Except to say that the sciences of chemistry, biology, physics, and most other sciences rely on the atomic model, and if there was even a tiny error in it, it would have been noticed.

So you admit that electromagnetism works fine with or without atoms?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on October 20, 2009, 01:28:39 PM
Which of course is a straw man, since there is no way I could prove it to you in written form in a forum.  Except to say that the sciences of chemistry, biology, physics, and most other sciences rely on the atomic model, and if there was even a tiny error in it, it would have been noticed.

So you admit that electromagnetism works fine with or without atoms?
I have yet to see any compelling theory of how EM could work without atoms, so no.  But if you have some interesting idea that has somehow been missed by researchers for 200 years, then by all means explain.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Dr Matrix on October 20, 2009, 01:30:54 PM
I have yet to see any compelling theory of how EM could work without atoms, so no.  But if you have some interesting idea that has somehow been missed by researchers for 200 years, then by all means explain.

Maxwell's equations do not require atoms in order to function.  Please at least make a token effort to research the topic.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on October 20, 2009, 02:12:00 PM
I have yet to see any compelling theory of how EM could work without atoms, so no.  But if you have some interesting idea that has somehow been missed by researchers for 200 years, then by all means explain.

Maxwell's equations do not require atoms in order to function.  Please at least make a token effort to research the topic.
LOL.  You do realize that you are talking to an EE here? Yes, the equations dont require an atom in order to be correct since they are not describing the source of electromagnetism, only its interactions.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Benjamin Franklin on October 20, 2009, 03:39:15 PM
You do realize that you are talking to an EE here?
Anyone could claim that.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on October 20, 2009, 05:52:04 PM
You do realize that you are talking to an EE here?
Anyone could claim that.
true true.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: ShnitzelKiller on November 19, 2009, 07:30:26 PM
I must say this was a very interesting thread.
on the subject do nuclear bombs exists? I Don't really know for sure if Nuclear BOMBS Exists but I do have it on good authority that nuclear technology does exists.
My husband is a Nuclear engineer for the US government at the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard in Washington state. He works with the nuclear reactors that power our naval fleet. After all, did you know that they use nuclear reactors for the majority of Submarines and aircraft carriers?
I have seen in many posts that many on this site deny the existence of nuclear fission all together?
Now I am not all that knowledgeable on the scientific. But I am pretty sure that my husband has to put on those jump suits many times during his job to protect him from Nuclear Radiation, and the government does regular physicals on all the employees to be sure that they do not suffer from radiation.
My husband is not military but he is a civilian paid by the military.
Now if the technology exists could a bomb in theory exist too? not to mention there is more evidence to the positive that Nuclear bombs do exist.
Now what about other ill effects of nuclear technology and disasters? Chernobyl, Three mile island? or the Partial Melt down of NRX in Canada? Or EBR-1 in Idaho. Of course there are more...
Or the numorous russian submariens that were destroyed because of a neuclear issue of some kind....Komsomolets K-278, Kursk K-141, K-8, K-11, K-19,  K-27
K-116, K-122, K-123, K-140, (K-159 (which was a fairly recent disaster and killed 9.) K-192.

I just want to point out that there are other disasters that prove that nuclear technology does in fact exist other than Nagasaki and Hiroshima
And that the very fact that I can pay my bills and get groceries comes from what my husband does for a living, and I hardly think the government pays 72,000$ a year for him to work on keeping up a conspiracy. That is just my humble opinion.
Just wondering ...all those who have strong opinions to the contrary, have you ever gone to a nuclear facility? Because I have, and it does not look fake to me.
Oh and in regards to Nagasaki and Hiroshima, I will be in Japan for 2 months with my husband in January, where he is working on a few of out ships in Yokosuka, and I will make a trip there and see the place for myself.  I HOPE to determine if it was a conspiracy BY Truman and the Hirohito Regime. How ever I find that Highly Doubtful.



No doubt you're a government conspiracy bot. Everyone knows that nuclear reactors are just cleverly disguised coal engines.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 21, 2009, 12:58:53 AM
Atoms don't necessarily exist as usually thought.

May exist as waves. (http://www.glafreniere.com/matter.htm)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on November 21, 2009, 06:33:57 AM
I love it when pseudo- science tries to cloak itself in scientific terms.  Yes there is possible a particle-wave duality, but not in the way that guy is trying to suggest.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on November 21, 2009, 10:16:52 AM
I love it when pseudo- science tries to cloak itself in scientific terms.  Yes there is possible a particle-wave duality, but not in the way that guy is trying to suggest.

I love when people use terms like "pseudo science" to make them look bad.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on November 21, 2009, 10:25:58 AM
Sorry, but I do tend to ignore anything with the term "aether" in the first couple of paragraphs.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mrs. Peach on November 21, 2009, 10:35:44 AM
Sorry, but I do tend to ignore anything with the term "aether" in the first couple of paragraphs.

I'm supposing you prefer the terms free space, spin foam, Planck particles, quantum wave state (QWS), zero-point energy, quantum foam, and vacuum energy.  Or how about Dark Energy and Quintessence?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on November 21, 2009, 01:44:07 PM
Sorry, but I do tend to ignore anything with the term "aether" in the first couple of paragraphs.

I'm supposing you prefer the terms free space, spin foam, Planck particles, quantum wave state (QWS), zero-point energy, quantum foam, and vacuum energy.  Or how about Dark Energy and Quintessence?

Your point being?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 21, 2009, 02:29:09 PM
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Your point being?

Mrs. Peach's point being that you're uneducated when it comes to matters of science 'thought'.

Sorry, but I do tend to ignore anything with the term "aether" in the first couple of paragraphs.

What do you think bends when Einstein says that "space bends"?

Aether, that's what.

Aether is supposed to be the fabric of space. Einstein argued aggressively for the existence of Aether (space fabric) throughout his entire life, and wrote books and books on the subject (General Relativity).

Are you saying that you're smarter than Einstein?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on November 21, 2009, 03:38:04 PM
Quote
Your point being?

Mrs. Peach's point being that you're uneducated when it comes to matters of science 'thought'.
Right...my degree says something different, but to each his own.
Sorry, but I do tend to ignore anything with the term "aether" in the first couple of paragraphs.

What do you think bends when Einstein says that "space bends"?

Aether, that's what.

Aether is supposed to be the fabric of space. Einstein argued aggressively for the existence of Aether (space fabric) throughout his entire life, and wrote books and books on the subject (General Relativity).

Are you saying that you're smarter than Einstein?
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The actual convention for what you are postulating as aether is space-time.  Aether is missing the additional dimentional component.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 21, 2009, 05:48:42 PM
Nope. Einstein says that Aether is space-time. It's the fabric of space which bends.

So you're saying that you are smarter than Einstein?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: parsec on November 21, 2009, 06:13:45 PM
Nope. Einstein says that Aether is space-time. It's the fabric of space which bends.

So you're saying that you are smarter than Einstein?

Please give a quote from Einstein where he says this.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 21, 2009, 06:21:40 PM
Nope. Einstein says that Aether is space-time. It's the fabric of space which bends.

So you're saying that you are smarter than Einstein?

Please give a quote from Einstein where he says this.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_aether_theory :

"In physics the Einstein Aether theory, also called ae-theory is a controversial generally covariant generalization of general relativity which describes a spacetime endowed with both a metric and a unit timelike vector field named the aether."

---

Here's Einstein himself saying that Aether gives space its flexy fabric for GR:

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: parsec on November 21, 2009, 06:23:53 PM
lol, obvious fake.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 21, 2009, 06:36:44 PM
Please educate yourself in matters of General Relativity. Einstein mentions the word Aether several thousand times through his books on GR. He says that there is a fabric to space called the Aether.

http://arxiv.org/abs/0801.1547


Click "PDF" on the right hand side to download the report.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: parsec on November 21, 2009, 06:39:51 PM
Please provide me with a reference by Einstein himself where he says Aether exists. Thanks.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 21, 2009, 06:41:31 PM
Please provide me with a reference by Einstein himself where he says Aether exists. Thanks.

Read his books. Thanks.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: parsec on November 21, 2009, 06:42:05 PM
Please provide me with a reference by Einstein himself where he says Aether exists. Thanks.

Read his books. Thanks.

Give me a title.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 21, 2009, 06:48:31 PM
Start with his "Aether and Relativity".

www.mountainman.com.au/aether_0.html

Quote from Einstein:

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: parsec on November 21, 2009, 07:01:41 PM
this is just some supposed address at the University of Leyden. It's not his book.

EDIT:

Notice the spelling 'Leyden' I used as is given on that website you linked us to. The proper spelling for the famous Dutch University (and town) is Leiden, well known to any person with proper academic background. Therefore, I call bullshit on your website, as I do on almost all the things you post.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on November 21, 2009, 07:49:34 PM
Also notice that the overwhelming majority of the references to ether were historical in nature, even if we could trust the dubious provenance of that website. Mountain man? lol
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 21, 2009, 08:58:45 PM
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Notice the spelling 'Leyden' I used as is given on that website you linked us to. The proper spelling for the famous Dutch University (and town) is Leiden, well known to any person with proper academic background.

Do a search for the quote "we may say that according to the general theory of relativity space is endowed with physical qualities"

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=%22we+may+say+that+according+to+the+general+theory+of+relativity+space+is+endowed+with+physical+qualities%22&btnG=Google+Search&fp=308f339eac69ecd2

3,180 results of Einstein's own words.

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Therefore, I call bullshit on your website, as I do on almost all the things you post.

Hey, it's not my fault that you are uneducated, uncultured, and a dolt to top it off.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: parsec on November 21, 2009, 09:01:27 PM
i never knew Einstein spoke in English when addressing Dutch people.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on November 21, 2009, 09:04:14 PM
Considering the fact that he wasn't dutch they would probably use a well known intermediary language. Perhaps english.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: parsec on November 21, 2009, 09:20:11 PM
Considering the fact that he wasn't dutch they would probably use a well known intermediary language. Perhaps english.

Or, maybe, German. At that time that was the international language of Physics.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: parsec on November 21, 2009, 10:22:05 PM
I refer you to the University of Leiden's website (http://www.lorentz.leidenuniv.nl/history/einstein/einstein.html) about Einstein's and Ehrenfest's friendship at Leiden. It says:

Ehrenfest invited Einstein to become "Bijzonder Hoogleraar" (special professor) at Leiden University. This would bring him to Leiden regularly for a few weeks a year. Einstein liked the idea of such a "comet-like existence in Leiden". He began his official duties on October 27, 1920, with an inaugural lecture on "Ether and Relativity Theory" (where "ether" refers to the gravitational field, not the abandoned concept of the electromagnetic ether).

There is a book by Abraham Pais, where he mentiones this inaugural speech in the second paragraph on page 313 (http://books.google.com/books?id=U2mO4nUunuwC&lpg=PP1&dq=subtle%20is%20the%20lord%20pais&pg=PA313#v=onepage&q=&f=false), and he gives a specific quotation on the printed version of the manuscript ([E39]), but Google books does not show the page where this reference is cited.

See the footnote on the same page. By 'aether', Einstein actually meant gravitational field with electromagnetic field.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 21, 2009, 10:26:04 PM
It's the "gravitational field" because it's the "fabric of space time". Aether is the fabric of space-time.

Relativity has the fabric of space bending to attract bodies. There aren't any fields in a Newtonian sense.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: parsec on November 21, 2009, 10:27:30 PM
what kind of fabric are you talking about? And was there someone knitting space-time?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 21, 2009, 10:39:17 PM
Einstein didn't say where the Aether (fabric) of space came from. Only that it was there, and is what allowed him to stretch and compress time for Special Relativity, and is what allowed him to bend space for General Relativity.

Einstein said that empty space was not empty, but there was an underlying fabric called the Aether. He uses the fabric of space time like a rubber mat, to manipulate the physical universe so that calculation met reality.

Time can stretch, compress, or stop all together because of the fabric of space. Bodies can attract, repel, or morph, because of the fabric of space.

The fabric of space time is a hypothesis, and a big one at that, but Einstein tied it tightly together with enough elegance that it seemed to work, which is why his ideas are as famous as they are.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: parsec on November 21, 2009, 10:56:21 PM
Einstein said that empty space was not empty, but there was an underlying fabric called the Aether. He uses the fabric of space time like a rubber mat, to manipulate the physical universe so that calculation met reality.

What calculation?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 22, 2009, 02:07:22 AM
Einstein said that empty space was not empty, but there was an underlying fabric called the Aether. He uses the fabric of space time like a rubber mat, to manipulate the physical universe so that calculation met reality.

What calculation?

There are many calculations in his books which are efforts to demonstrate GR/SR correct and to match his rubber mat equations with reality.

He wrote them so you could read them.

Available at a library near you.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: parsec on November 22, 2009, 09:43:05 AM
Does any of the calculation have to do about planets orbiting the Sun?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on November 22, 2009, 04:46:23 PM
You do know the subject of the first paper Einstein wrote right?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: parsec on November 22, 2009, 05:40:48 PM
no i don't.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on November 22, 2009, 05:42:22 PM
you should look it up.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on November 22, 2009, 05:58:44 PM
Sorry to confuse all of you, but the term "ether" or "aether" is not really used by modern theoretical physics the way it was in the 1850s. First of all, Einstein was not the perfect genius that he is often portrayed as; he still got a lot of ideas wrong. Secondly, the fundamental forces do not require a medium to conduct them. And third, the pseudo science crowd made such a mockery of the term that it is virtually meaningless. 
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 22, 2009, 06:00:06 PM
Sorry to confuse all of you, but the term "ether" or "aether" is not really used by modern theoretical physics the way it was in the 1850s. First of all, Einstein was not the perfect genius that he is often portrayed as; he still got a lot of ideas wrong. Secondly, the fundamental forces do not require a medium to conduct them. And third, the pseudo science crowd made such a mockery of the term that it is virtually meaningless.  

So you're saying that you are smarter than Einstein, then?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on November 22, 2009, 06:01:58 PM
Sorry to confuse all of you, but the term "ether" or "aether" is not really used by modern theoretical physics the way it was in the 1850s. First of all, Einstein was not the perfect genius that he is often portrayed as; he still got a lot of ideas wrong. Secondly, the fundamental forces do not require a medium to conduct them. And third, the pseudo science crowd made such a mockery of the term that it is virtually meaningless. 

So you believe that there is no medium conducting the fundamental forces? You'd be disagreeing with pretty much all of modern science in this assumption.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: parsec on November 22, 2009, 06:07:42 PM
you should look it up.

why?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on November 22, 2009, 06:20:48 PM
Sorry to confuse all of you, but the term "ether" or "aether" is not really used by modern theoretical physics the way it was in the 1850s. First of all, Einstein was not the perfect genius that he is often portrayed as; he still got a lot of ideas wrong. Secondly, the fundamental forces do not require a medium to conduct them. And third, the pseudo science crowd made such a mockery of the term that it is virtually meaningless.  

So you're saying that you are smarter than Einstein, then?
Where did I say that?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on November 22, 2009, 06:26:16 PM
Sorry to confuse all of you, but the term "ether" or "aether" is not really used by modern theoretical physics the way it was in the 1850s. First of all, Einstein was not the perfect genius that he is often portrayed as; he still got a lot of ideas wrong. Secondly, the fundamental forces do not require a medium to conduct them. And third, the pseudo science crowd made such a mockery of the term that it is virtually meaningless. 

So you believe that there is no medium conducting the fundamental forces? You'd be disagreeing with pretty much all of modern science in this assumption.
No, not really. The old view of ether was of a conducting medium, such as air is a conducting medium of sound-waves. However, this is not required for the four fundamental forces, unless you want to stretch the definition and quibble over semantics by saying that space-time is equivalent. Which is something Tom loves to do: quibble, dither, and whine.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on November 22, 2009, 06:57:32 PM
Sorry to confuse all of you, but the term "ether" or "aether" is not really used by modern theoretical physics the way it was in the 1850s. First of all, Einstein was not the perfect genius that he is often portrayed as; he still got a lot of ideas wrong. Secondly, the fundamental forces do not require a medium to conduct them. And third, the pseudo science crowd made such a mockery of the term that it is virtually meaningless. 

So you believe that there is no medium conducting the fundamental forces? You'd be disagreeing with pretty much all of modern science in this assumption.
No, not really. The old view of ether was of a conducting medium, such as air is a conducting medium of sound-waves. However, this is not required for the four fundamental forces, unless you want to stretch the definition and quibble over semantics by saying that space-time is equivalent. Which is something Tom loves to do: quibble, dither, and whine.

I would say space time definitely is the medium through which they are carried since they follow straight lines until you curve space time.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 23, 2009, 12:35:19 AM
Sorry to confuse all of you, but the term "ether" or "aether" is not really used by modern theoretical physics the way it was in the 1850s. First of all, Einstein was not the perfect genius that he is often portrayed as; he still got a lot of ideas wrong. Secondly, the fundamental forces do not require a medium to conduct them. And third, the pseudo science crowd made such a mockery of the term that it is virtually meaningless.  

So you're saying that you are smarter than Einstein, then?
Where did I say that?

You must be saying that you are smarter than Einstein if you are saying that he was wrong about Aether, the fabric of space.

What works have you published on the topic?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on November 23, 2009, 07:00:40 AM
Sorry to confuse all of you, but the term "ether" or "aether" is not really used by modern theoretical physics the way it was in the 1850s. First of all, Einstein was not the perfect genius that he is often portrayed as; he still got a lot of ideas wrong. Secondly, the fundamental forces do not require a medium to conduct them. And third, the pseudo science crowd made such a mockery of the term that it is virtually meaningless.  

So you're saying that you are smarter than Einstein, then?
Where did I say that?

You must be saying that you are smarter than Einstein if you are saying that he was wrong about Aether, the fabric of space.

What works have you published on the topic?
I am saying that you, like most pseudo-scientists, mis-apply the term ether, which has led to it falling out of favor as a legitimate scientific term.  It was still a concept somewhat favored in Einstein's day, but its fall from grace has more to do with the term being adopted by any number of pseudo-scientific nonsense.  The space-time of relativity is far more an accurate term. Ether implies that there is a physical substance required for the fundamental forces to propagate in, as I mentioned with air-sound example. However, space time is far more accurate, especially in relativity, because the fourth dimension of time is also affected by the actions of certain forces, gravity and velocity for starters.  So yes, while it used to be a legitimate scientific term in the past, the propensity for its use by snake oil salesmen has rendered it irrelevant for use in legitimate scientific research.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: ShnitzelKiller on November 23, 2009, 05:49:38 PM
Sorry to confuse all of you, but the term "ether" or "aether" is not really used by modern theoretical physics the way it was in the 1850s. First of all, Einstein was not the perfect genius that he is often portrayed as; he still got a lot of ideas wrong. Secondly, the fundamental forces do not require a medium to conduct them. And third, the pseudo science crowd made such a mockery of the term that it is virtually meaningless.  

So you're saying that you are smarter than Einstein, then?
I just can't picture you defending a scientist.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 23, 2009, 06:32:44 PM
Sorry to confuse all of you, but the term "ether" or "aether" is not really used by modern theoretical physics the way it was in the 1850s. First of all, Einstein was not the perfect genius that he is often portrayed as; he still got a lot of ideas wrong. Secondly, the fundamental forces do not require a medium to conduct them. And third, the pseudo science crowd made such a mockery of the term that it is virtually meaningless.  

So you're saying that you are smarter than Einstein, then?
Where did I say that?

You must be saying that you are smarter than Einstein if you are saying that he was wrong about Aether, the fabric of space.

What works have you published on the topic?
I am saying that you, like most pseudo-scientists, mis-apply the term ether, which has led to it falling out of favor as a legitimate scientific term.  It was still a concept somewhat favored in Einstein's day, but its fall from grace has more to do with the term being adopted by any number of pseudo-scientific nonsense.  The space-time of relativity is far more an accurate term. Ether implies that there is a physical substance required for the fundamental forces to propagate in, as I mentioned with air-sound example. However, space time is far more accurate, especially in relativity, because the fourth dimension of time is also affected by the actions of certain forces, gravity and velocity for starters.  So yes, while it used to be a legitimate scientific term in the past, the propensity for its use by snake oil salesmen has rendered it irrelevant for use in legitimate scientific research.

So wait. Does Aether exist, or does it not exist?

Are you smarter than Einstein, or are you not smarter than Einstein?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on November 23, 2009, 06:55:52 PM
you should look it up.

why?

I said so.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: parsec on November 23, 2009, 07:17:53 PM
you should look it up.

why?

I said so.

Ok, I did. A. Einstein, "Conclusions Drawn from the Phenomena of Capillarity", Annalen der Physik 4, 513-523 (1901)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on November 23, 2009, 10:19:53 PM
Sorry to confuse all of you, but the term "ether" or "aether" is not really used by modern theoretical physics the way it was in the 1850s. First of all, Einstein was not the perfect genius that he is often portrayed as; he still got a lot of ideas wrong. Secondly, the fundamental forces do not require a medium to conduct them. And third, the pseudo science crowd made such a mockery of the term that it is virtually meaningless.  

So you're saying that you are smarter than Einstein, then?
Where did I say that?

You must be saying that you are smarter than Einstein if you are saying that he was wrong about Aether, the fabric of space.

What works have you published on the topic?
I am saying that you, like most pseudo-scientists, mis-apply the term ether, which has led to it falling out of favor as a legitimate scientific term.  It was still a concept somewhat favored in Einstein's day, but its fall from grace has more to do with the term being adopted by any number of pseudo-scientific nonsense.  The space-time of relativity is far more an accurate term. Ether implies that there is a physical substance required for the fundamental forces to propagate in, as I mentioned with air-sound example. However, space time is far more accurate, especially in relativity, because the fourth dimension of time is also affected by the actions of certain forces, gravity and velocity for starters.  So yes, while it used to be a legitimate scientific term in the past, the propensity for its use by snake oil salesmen has rendered it irrelevant for use in legitimate scientific research.

So wait. Does Aether exist, or does it not exist?

Are you smarter than Einstein, or are you not smarter than Einstein?
You love to stretch the definition of things. Are you smarter than Einstein? I think not, given your tendency to resort to logical fallacy and personal attack in a vain attempt to get yourself out of the corner you paint yourself into.  And no, ether in the traditional meaning of the term does not exist.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 24, 2009, 02:12:20 AM
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And no, ether in the traditional meaning of the term does not exist.

That's not what Einstein says. He says that Aether exists as the fabric of space.

On what basis do you say you know better than Einstein?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Moon squirter on November 24, 2009, 05:48:16 AM
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And no, ether in the traditional meaning of the term does not exist.

That's not what Einstein says. He says that Aether exists as the fabric of space.

On what basis do you say you know better than Einstein?

Tom, 

Semantics.  Einstein used aether as a term for GR space-time.  The old-style ideas of Aether as a medium (mechanically transmitting light) have nothing to do with Einthein's used of the word, of which he even clarified: (http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html) "..differs widely from that of the ether of the mechanical undulatory theory of light"

Aeither is the word Einstien chose to use.  There is no more significance that that.

Please stop confusing matters and get back in your box.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 24, 2009, 02:08:11 PM
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And no, ether in the traditional meaning of the term does not exist.

That's not what Einstein says. He says that Aether exists as the fabric of space.

On what basis do you say you know better than Einstein?

Tom, 

Semantics.  Einstein used aether as a term for GR space-time.  The old-style ideas of Aether as a medium (mechanically transmitting light) have nothing to do with Einthein's used of the word, of which he even clarified: (http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html) "..differs widely from that of the ether of the mechanical undulatory theory of light"

Aeither is the word Einstien chose to use.  There is no more significance that that.

Please stop confusing matters and get back in your box.


Aether has always meant the medium of space.

Einstein says that there is a medium to space called the Aether.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on November 25, 2009, 02:29:47 AM
It is pretty funny. Like the kid in Willy Wonka. Tom doesnt understand that science is always evolving, and that just because Einstein used a term 100 years ago does not mean that it is still valid today.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mrs. Peach on November 25, 2009, 12:09:08 PM
I don't think words can be called valid or invalid.  You're right in that words go in and out of style. Science today has been very busy making substitute words simply because they didn't want to be thought of as 'old-fashioned.'  This commonly used trend can't 'invalidate' the use of the word aether.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on November 25, 2009, 12:37:06 PM
It is pretty funny. Like the kid in Willy Wonka. Tom doesnt understand that science is always evolving, and that just because Einstein used a term 100 years ago does not mean that it is still valid today.

So it is always wrong?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on November 25, 2009, 01:45:06 PM
What is?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on November 25, 2009, 11:23:23 PM
What is?

Science. If only one answer is right and it is constantly changing it would for all intents and purposes always be wrong.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on November 25, 2009, 11:36:17 PM
What is?

Science. If only one answer is right and it is constantly changing it would for all intents and purposes always be wrong.
Hardly.  Science is capable of making changes based on new data, something pseudo-science (FET included), philosophy,  and religion are never capable of doing.  Science is self-correcting and evolving with each new discovery.  Also, scientists are capable of saying something that the "Woo" crowd is never capable of saying: I dont know....yet.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: watchayakan on December 01, 2009, 04:48:09 AM
If nukes are fake than so must be stars, such as our Sun, and by extension Earth.  For if nuclear bombs, which, compared to current technological sophistication, can be quite rudimentary, have never been built despite the apparent knowledge to make them and the underlying physics, then the physics must be wrong.  If the physics is wrong, then stars (at least active stars, that is; however, even the inactive ones start as active ones) would not be able to generate the energy the day and create the elements that they do.  The Universe would be no more complex than Helium without fusion.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on December 01, 2009, 11:51:58 AM
What is?

Science. If only one answer is right and it is constantly changing it would for all intents and purposes always be wrong.
Hardly.  Science is capable of making changes based on new data, something pseudo-science (FET included), philosophy,  and religion are never capable of doing.  Science is self-correcting and evolving with each new discovery.  Also, scientists are capable of saying something that the "Woo" crowd is never capable of saying: I dont know....yet.

Yes, but if science is always changing, doesn't that mean that it is always wrong? Or are you saying the truth changes as well? I'm sure that there are several theorem's that prove that science has to be wrong if it is always changing. The mean value theorem would be one as long as the answer in the beginning and the end are different.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on December 01, 2009, 05:49:46 PM
What is?

Science. If only one answer is right and it is constantly changing it would for all intents and purposes always be wrong.
Hardly.  Science is capable of making changes based on new data, something pseudo-science (FET included), philosophy,  and religion are never capable of doing.  Science is self-correcting and evolving with each new discovery.  Also, scientists are capable of saying something that the "Woo" crowd is never capable of saying: I dont know....yet.

Yes, but if science is always changing, doesn't that mean that it is always wrong? Or are you saying the truth changes as well? I'm sure that there are several theorem's that prove that science has to be wrong if it is always changing. The mean value theorem would be one as long as the answer in the beginning and the end are different.
No, it is our understanding of the universe that is always changing, and the fact that it is does not make it de facto wrong. If all science is automatically wrong in your mind, then how do you explain the transistor or any number of technologies and advancements that have occurred because of science?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 01, 2009, 05:56:27 PM
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If all science is automatically wrong in your mind, then how do you explain the transistor or any number of technologies and advancements that have occurred because of science?

Crafting toys is not science. I have a little nephew who builds cars and space ships out of Legos every day. Is he a scientist?

Clock smiths are not scientists. Mechanics are not scientists. Neither are metal workers.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: watchayakan on December 01, 2009, 07:09:46 PM
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If all science is automatically wrong in your mind, then how do you explain the transistor or any number of technologies and advancements that have occurred because of science?

Crafting toys is not science. I have a little nephew who builds cars and space ships out of Legos every day. Is he a scientist?

Clock smiths are not scientists. Mechanics are not scientists. Neither are metal workers.
So people just created semiconductors hoping they would work?  Lasers?  GPS systems?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 01, 2009, 07:22:04 PM
So people just created semiconductors hoping they would work?  Lasers?  GPS systems?

It's built the same way a clock smith makes a clock work: Tinkering

Tinkering is not "science". People are natural tinkerers.

Programmers tinker together code to do what they want. Machinists tinker together cogs and pipes to do what they want. Neither are "scientists". What they create is not "science". They're more like laborers.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on December 01, 2009, 07:24:50 PM
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If all science is automatically wrong in your mind, then how do you explain the transistor or any number of technologies and advancements that have occurred because of science?

Crafting toys is not science. I have a little nephew who builds cars and space ships out of Legos every day. Is he a scientist?

Clock smiths are not scientists. Mechanics are not scientists. Neither are metal workers.
Do you know how much science actually lies behind those legos? LOL  Mechanics may not be scientists, but the principles that drive the engines they work on were all derived incrementally by science.  Metal workers may not be scientists, but fortunately for them modern chemistry explains why they cant weld dis-similar metals before they waste a lot of time trying.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on December 01, 2009, 07:26:21 PM
So people just created semiconductors hoping they would work?  Lasers?  GPS systems?

It's built the same way a clock smith makes a clock work: Tinkering
You obviously have no idea as to the history of the semi-conductor.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 01, 2009, 07:33:17 PM
Do you know how much science actually lies behind those legos? LOL  Mechanics may not be scientists, but the principles that drive the engines they work on were all derived incrementally by science.  Metal workers may not be scientists, but fortunately for them modern chemistry explains why they cant weld dis-similar metals before they waste a lot of time trying.

Science comprises the fundamentals of a technology. Not the technology itself.

Many people tend to be dim witted and do not understand this.

Technology, whether it be lasers or Segways, is made by modern day clock makers. They are tinkerers. It doesn't matter if they're tinkering with circuits under a magnifying glass or they're building a garden shed in their back yard. They are tinkerers and nothing more.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on December 01, 2009, 07:49:17 PM
Do you know how much science actually lies behind those legos? LOL  Mechanics may not be scientists, but the principles that drive the engines they work on were all derived incrementally by science.  Metal workers may not be scientists, but fortunately for them modern chemistry explains why they cant weld dis-similar metals before they waste a lot of time trying.

Science comprises the fundamentals of a technology. Not the technology itself.

Many people tend to be dim witted and do not understand this.

Technology, whether it be lasers or Segways, is made by modern day clock makers. They are tinkerers. It doesn't matter if they're tinkering with circuits under a magnifying glass or they're building a garden shed in their back yard. They are tinkerers and nothing more.
Thank you for making my point, for without the underlying science they would have no way to make those technologies.  Oh, and nobody "tinkers with a circuit under a magnifying glass".  If you dont have a fundamental understanding of how a device works at a fundamental level, it is quite difficult to make anything productive. It is quite apparent that you have never built anything.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: watchayakan on December 01, 2009, 08:06:13 PM
So people just created semiconductors hoping they would work?  Lasers?  GPS systems?

It's built the same way a clock smith makes a clock work: Tinkering

Tinkering is not "science". People are natural tinkerers.

Programmers tinker together code to do what they want. Machinists tinker together cogs and pipes to do what they want. Neither are "scientists". What they create is not "science". They're more like laborers.
All three of my examples need very precise science.  You don't just 'tinker' into that.

Also, I like how you keep comparing it to a clock, as though there is no science behind a clock and that no understanding went into each generation of timekeeping.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on December 01, 2009, 09:49:36 PM
What is?

Science. If only one answer is right and it is constantly changing it would for all intents and purposes always be wrong.
Hardly.  Science is capable of making changes based on new data, something pseudo-science (FET included), philosophy,  and religion are never capable of doing.  Science is self-correcting and evolving with each new discovery.  Also, scientists are capable of saying something that the "Woo" crowd is never capable of saying: I dont know....yet.

Yes, but if science is always changing, doesn't that mean that it is always wrong? Or are you saying the truth changes as well? I'm sure that there are several theorem's that prove that science has to be wrong if it is always changing. The mean value theorem would be one as long as the answer in the beginning and the end are different.
No, it is our understanding of the universe that is always changing, and the fact that it is does not make it de facto wrong. If all science is automatically wrong in your mind, then how do you explain the transistor or any number of technologies and advancements that have occurred because of science?

You're the one that said our understanding is always wrong, not me.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 01, 2009, 09:52:25 PM
Thank you for making my point, for without the underlying science they would have no way to make those technologies.  Oh, and nobody "tinkers with a circuit under a magnifying glass".  If you dont have a fundamental understanding of how a device works at a fundamental level, it is quite difficult to make anything productive. It is quite apparent that you have never built anything.

An understanding of how the gears of a clock works isn't science.

I can build all sorts of things with my erector set. But I'm not conducting science. It's called engineering.

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All three of my examples need very precise science.  You don't just 'tinker' into that.

Also, I like how you keep comparing it to a clock, as though there is no science behind a clock and that no understanding went into each generation of timekeeping.

I'm not saying that there's no understanding behind building and designing things. It's just not a science.

Carpenters are not scientists. Clock makers are not scientists. Welders are not scientists.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on December 02, 2009, 05:55:25 PM
Thank you for making my point, for without the underlying science they would have no way to make those technologies.  Oh, and nobody "tinkers with a circuit under a magnifying glass".  If you dont have a fundamental understanding of how a device works at a fundamental level, it is quite difficult to make anything productive. It is quite apparent that you have never built anything.

An understanding of how the gears of a clock works isn't science.

I can build all sorts of things with my erector set. But I'm not conducting science. It's called engineering.

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All three of my examples need very precise science.  You don't just 'tinker' into that.

Also, I like how you keep comparing it to a clock, as though there is no science behind a clock and that no understanding went into each generation of timekeeping.

I'm not saying that there's no understanding behind building and designing things. It's just not a science.

Carpenters are not scientists. Clock makers are not scientists. Welders are not scientists.
Maybe not, but you seem to be having a hard time understanding the fact that without the science behind it, there is no engineering, whether it be chemical, electrical, or civil.  There is a direct correlation between the science discovering the underlying principles of a technology, and the application of that knowledge in something usefull.  You cant possibly have the technology without the science coming first.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: watchayakan on December 02, 2009, 11:02:08 PM
Thank you for making my point, for without the underlying science they would have no way to make those technologies.  Oh, and nobody "tinkers with a circuit under a magnifying glass".  If you dont have a fundamental understanding of how a device works at a fundamental level, it is quite difficult to make anything productive. It is quite apparent that you have never built anything.

An understanding of how the gears of a clock works isn't science.

I can build all sorts of things with my erector set. But I'm not conducting science. It's called engineering.
Actually, that is science.
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All three of my examples need very precise science.  You don't just 'tinker' into that.

Also, I like how you keep comparing it to a clock, as though there is no science behind a clock and that no understanding went into each generation of timekeeping.

I'm not saying that there's no understanding behind building and designing things. It's just not a science.

Carpenters are not scientists. Clock makers are not scientists. Welders are not scientists.
Understanding how they work is not science?  What do you propose science is?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on December 03, 2009, 06:11:34 PM
What is?

Science. If only one answer is right and it is constantly changing it would for all intents and purposes always be wrong.
Hardly.  Science is capable of making changes based on new data, something pseudo-science (FET included), philosophy,  and religion are never capable of doing.  Science is self-correcting and evolving with each new discovery.  Also, scientists are capable of saying something that the "Woo" crowd is never capable of saying: I dont know....yet.

Yes, but if science is always changing, doesn't that mean that it is always wrong? Or are you saying the truth changes as well? I'm sure that there are several theorem's that prove that science has to be wrong if it is always changing. The mean value theorem would be one as long as the answer in the beginning and the end are different.
No, it is our understanding of the universe that is always changing, and the fact that it is does not make it de facto wrong. If all science is automatically wrong in your mind, then how do you explain the transistor or any number of technologies and advancements that have occurred because of science?

You're the one that said our understanding is always wrong, not me.
No F-Mook, I did not, perhaps incomplete, but not wrong. Not that you could ever understand the difference.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: watchayakan on December 03, 2009, 06:55:20 PM
What is?

Science. If only one answer is right and it is constantly changing it would for all intents and purposes always be wrong.
Hardly.  Science is capable of making changes based on new data, something pseudo-science (FET included), philosophy,  and religion are never capable of doing.  Science is self-correcting and evolving with each new discovery.  Also, scientists are capable of saying something that the "Woo" crowd is never capable of saying: I dont know....yet.

Yes, but if science is always changing, doesn't that mean that it is always wrong? Or are you saying the truth changes as well? I'm sure that there are several theorem's that prove that science has to be wrong if it is always changing. The mean value theorem would be one as long as the answer in the beginning and the end are different.
There's your problem.  Science does not go to ascertain truth at all.  It's simply a collection of observational data, or facts, and an attempt to explain them cohesively, hypotheses and theories and models.  What is truth and what is not is not up to science.  The chance that it could always be wrong, Popper's falsifiability, is an important part of the epistemology of science.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on December 03, 2009, 10:51:53 PM
What is?

Science. If only one answer is right and it is constantly changing it would for all intents and purposes always be wrong.
Hardly.  Science is capable of making changes based on new data, something pseudo-science (FET included), philosophy,  and religion are never capable of doing.  Science is self-correcting and evolving with each new discovery.  Also, scientists are capable of saying something that the "Woo" crowd is never capable of saying: I dont know....yet.

Yes, but if science is always changing, doesn't that mean that it is always wrong? Or are you saying the truth changes as well? I'm sure that there are several theorem's that prove that science has to be wrong if it is always changing. The mean value theorem would be one as long as the answer in the beginning and the end are different.
There's your problem.  Science does not go to ascertain truth at all.  It's simply a collection of observational data, or facts, and an attempt to explain them cohesively, hypotheses and theories and models.  What is truth and what is not is not up to science.  The chance that it could always be wrong, Popper's falsifiability, is an important part of the epistemology of science.

So, science is never congruent with the truth? Is that similar to saying it's always wrong?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: watchayakan on December 04, 2009, 01:19:10 AM
What is?

Science. If only one answer is right and it is constantly changing it would for all intents and purposes always be wrong.
Hardly.  Science is capable of making changes based on new data, something pseudo-science (FET included), philosophy,  and religion are never capable of doing.  Science is self-correcting and evolving with each new discovery.  Also, scientists are capable of saying something that the "Woo" crowd is never capable of saying: I dont know....yet.

Yes, but if science is always changing, doesn't that mean that it is always wrong? Or are you saying the truth changes as well? I'm sure that there are several theorem's that prove that science has to be wrong if it is always changing. The mean value theorem would be one as long as the answer in the beginning and the end are different.
There's your problem.  Science does not go to ascertain truth at all.  It's simply a collection of observational data, or facts, and an attempt to explain them cohesively, hypotheses and theories and models.  What is truth and what is not is not up to science.  The chance that it could always be wrong, Popper's falsifiability, is an important part of the epistemology of science.

So, science is never congruent with the truth? Is that similar to saying it's always wrong?
I never said that.  Science may be 100% truth right now for all I know or 0%.  It just doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on December 07, 2009, 11:04:36 AM
What is?

Science. If only one answer is right and it is constantly changing it would for all intents and purposes always be wrong.
Hardly.  Science is capable of making changes based on new data, something pseudo-science (FET included), philosophy,  and religion are never capable of doing.  Science is self-correcting and evolving with each new discovery.  Also, scientists are capable of saying something that the "Woo" crowd is never capable of saying: I dont know....yet.

Yes, but if science is always changing, doesn't that mean that it is always wrong? Or are you saying the truth changes as well? I'm sure that there are several theorem's that prove that science has to be wrong if it is always changing. The mean value theorem would be one as long as the answer in the beginning and the end are different.
There's your problem.  Science does not go to ascertain truth at all.  It's simply a collection of observational data, or facts, and an attempt to explain them cohesively, hypotheses and theories and models.  What is truth and what is not is not up to science.  The chance that it could always be wrong, Popper's falsifiability, is an important part of the epistemology of science.

So, science is never congruent with the truth? Is that similar to saying it's always wrong?
I never said that.  Science may be 100% truth right now for all I know or 0%.  It just doesn't matter.

So for this moment it's the truth but now it will change back to lies?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Robert64 on December 07, 2009, 01:16:16 PM
What is?

Science. If only one answer is right and it is constantly changing it would for all intents and purposes always be wrong.
Hardly.  Science is capable of making changes based on new data, something pseudo-science (FET included), philosophy,  and religion are never capable of doing.  Science is self-correcting and evolving with each new discovery.  Also, scientists are capable of saying something that the "Woo" crowd is never capable of saying: I dont know....yet.

Yes, but if science is always changing, doesn't that mean that it is always wrong? Or are you saying the truth changes as well? I'm sure that there are several theorem's that prove that science has to be wrong if it is always changing. The mean value theorem would be one as long as the answer in the beginning and the end are different.
There's your problem.  Science does not go to ascertain truth at all.  It's simply a collection of observational data, or facts, and an attempt to explain them cohesively, hypotheses and theories and models.  What is truth and what is not is not up to science.  The chance that it could always be wrong, Popper's falsifiability, is an important part of the epistemology of science.

So, science is never congruent with the truth? Is that similar to saying it's always wrong?
I never said that.  Science may be 100% truth right now for all I know or 0%.  It just doesn't matter.

So for this moment it's the truth but now it will change back to lies?
Science is just trying to create an accurate collection of models in which to explain the world. It moves on to more accurate models when they are proven to be more accurate. It is therefore working its way to as close as it can get to the truth.

I personally believe that it will never reach perfectly accurate explanations because I believe the universe runs on a very simple set of rules that creates chaotic systems, like langton's ant. We can model the chaotic systems rather well, but unless we understand the basic ruleset we won't get perfection.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on December 07, 2009, 03:55:35 PM
What is?

Science. If only one answer is right and it is constantly changing it would for all intents and purposes always be wrong.
Hardly.  Science is capable of making changes based on new data, something pseudo-science (FET included), philosophy,  and religion are never capable of doing.  Science is self-correcting and evolving with each new discovery.  Also, scientists are capable of saying something that the "Woo" crowd is never capable of saying: I dont know....yet.

Yes, but if science is always changing, doesn't that mean that it is always wrong? Or are you saying the truth changes as well? I'm sure that there are several theorem's that prove that science has to be wrong if it is always changing. The mean value theorem would be one as long as the answer in the beginning and the end are different.
There's your problem.  Science does not go to ascertain truth at all.  It's simply a collection of observational data, or facts, and an attempt to explain them cohesively, hypotheses and theories and models.  What is truth and what is not is not up to science.  The chance that it could always be wrong, Popper's falsifiability, is an important part of the epistemology of science.

So, science is never congruent with the truth? Is that similar to saying it's always wrong?
I never said that.  Science may be 100% truth right now for all I know or 0%.  It just doesn't matter.

So for this moment it's the truth but now it will change back to lies?
Science is just trying to create an accurate collection of models in which to explain the world. It moves on to more accurate models when they are proven to be more accurate. It is therefore working its way to as close as it can get to the truth.

I personally believe that it will never reach perfectly accurate explanations because I believe the universe runs on a very simple set of rules that creates chaotic systems, like langton's ant. We can model the chaotic systems rather well, but unless we understand the basic ruleset we won't get perfection.

So we don't understand the basic rules? Gotcha, must be why they think gravity exists.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: watchayakan on December 07, 2009, 08:03:11 PM
What is?

Science. If only one answer is right and it is constantly changing it would for all intents and purposes always be wrong.
Hardly.  Science is capable of making changes based on new data, something pseudo-science (FET included), philosophy,  and religion are never capable of doing.  Science is self-correcting and evolving with each new discovery.  Also, scientists are capable of saying something that the "Woo" crowd is never capable of saying: I dont know....yet.

Yes, but if science is always changing, doesn't that mean that it is always wrong? Or are you saying the truth changes as well? I'm sure that there are several theorem's that prove that science has to be wrong if it is always changing. The mean value theorem would be one as long as the answer in the beginning and the end are different.
There's your problem.  Science does not go to ascertain truth at all.  It's simply a collection of observational data, or facts, and an attempt to explain them cohesively, hypotheses and theories and models.  What is truth and what is not is not up to science.  The chance that it could always be wrong, Popper's falsifiability, is an important part of the epistemology of science.

So, science is never congruent with the truth? Is that similar to saying it's always wrong?
I never said that.  Science may be 100% truth right now for all I know or 0%.  It just doesn't matter.

So for this moment it's the truth but now it will change back to lies?
Oh.

Sorry, I didn't realize you were going to ignore what I said and think of what you want me to say to fit your preconceived notions.  I'll exit this conversation now then.  But hey, at least I am giving you one more chance to manipulate my words.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on December 08, 2009, 06:48:33 AM
What is?

Science. If only one answer is right and it is constantly changing it would for all intents and purposes always be wrong.
Hardly.  Science is capable of making changes based on new data, something pseudo-science (FET included), philosophy,  and religion are never capable of doing.  Science is self-correcting and evolving with each new discovery.  Also, scientists are capable of saying something that the "Woo" crowd is never capable of saying: I dont know....yet.

Yes, but if science is always changing, doesn't that mean that it is always wrong? Or are you saying the truth changes as well? I'm sure that there are several theorem's that prove that science has to be wrong if it is always changing. The mean value theorem would be one as long as the answer in the beginning and the end are different.
There's your problem.  Science does not go to ascertain truth at all.  It's simply a collection of observational data, or facts, and an attempt to explain them cohesively, hypotheses and theories and models.  What is truth and what is not is not up to science.  The chance that it could always be wrong, Popper's falsifiability, is an important part of the epistemology of science.

So, science is never congruent with the truth? Is that similar to saying it's always wrong?
I never said that.  Science may be 100% truth right now for all I know or 0%.  It just doesn't matter.

So for this moment it's the truth but now it will change back to lies?
Oh.

Sorry, I didn't realize you were going to ignore what I said and think of what you want me to say to fit your preconceived notions.  I'll exit this conversation now then.  But hey, at least I am giving you one more chance to manipulate my words.

I accept your concession and apology. Another win for FE.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on December 08, 2009, 08:13:43 AM
I think that was tongue in cheek, or dont you read people well? lol
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on December 08, 2009, 08:15:59 AM
I think that was tongue in cheek, or dont you read people well? lol

No, he was being sarcastic, I was being tongue in cheek. Do you not understand basic terms?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Robert64 on December 08, 2009, 10:37:59 AM
I think that was tongue in cheek, or dont you read people well? lol

No, he was being sarcastic, I was being tongue in cheek. Do you not understand basic terms?
Congrats at misinterpreting his words again, and also showing a perfect definition of hypocrisy.

Don't know if this has been mentioned: what about all the children born after Hiroshima / Nagasaki which had all sorts of birth defects?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on December 08, 2009, 04:00:01 PM
I think that was tongue in cheek, or dont you read people well? lol

No, he was being sarcastic, I was being tongue in cheek. Do you not understand basic terms?
Congrats at misinterpreting his words again, and also showing a perfect definition of hypocrisy.

Don't know if this has been mentioned: what about all the children born after Hiroshima / Nagasaki which had all sorts of birth defects?

I didn't misinterpret his words. I corrected him and mimicked him. Do keep up.

So your new argument is retard babies?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: malashenko on March 14, 2010, 06:05:49 PM
Thank you for your fair response.

The damage to Hiroshima is not proof of nuclear bombs.

No, but it is pretty damning evidence.  What else do you purpose did that sort of damage?  I can't watch the video.  They're blocked on my work computer.

Well the damage from Hiroshima looks just like the results of the fire bombing of Tokyo:

Nuclear Blast aftermath at Hiroshima: http://www.moonofalabama.org/images/Hiroshima-big.jpg

Firebombing aftermath at Tokyo: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Tokyo_1945-3-10-1.jpg

The majority of the structures in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were rickety termite eaten poor Japanese wooden houses.  Many still question why those two cities were chosen as targets since they had no military value. Up until then every Japanese city was chosen based on military value. It's clear that those two old wooden cities were chosen for maximum propaganda value.

The fact is that a fire bombing campaign would have required a lot more aircraft, and to claim it was the result of conventional bombing would diminish the purpose of dropping the atomic bomb—that the US had the capacity to erase an entire city with a single weapon. Japanese civilians were well aware of the dangers of fire bombing, and yet they were planning to resist right up until the announcement of surrender. Trying to keep the existence of nuclear weapons secret was actually a goal of America right up until they were dropped, so it wouldn't make any sense if they didn't exist. Realistically this is just as impossible to lie about as the supposed conspiracy to keep the earth's shape a lie.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on March 25, 2010, 07:56:55 PM
I don't think nuclear weapons exist.  Nuclear power may exist, but I haven't really looked into it that deeply.

Problems I have with nuclear weapon theory:

1.  We went from theory to application in a very, very, short amount of time.  Enrichment of U-235 to weapons grade was not only achieved incredibly fast, but the methods of refining were also produce incredibly fast.

2.  Classification of nuclear technologies.  If it is fake, no one that really knows for sure can ever tell the truth about the subject, period.

3.  The world at the time was being bombarded with more propaganda than imaginable.  Think about watching war film on the TV day in and day out, seeing it in the news papers, hearing it on the radio, at work, everywhere.  They could have declared aliens landed in Alaska and everyone would have bought every last word of it.  People aren't skeptical during turmoil, it's all knee jerk reaction.

4.  'Evidence' of the blasts in Japan could be attributable to any number of bombs.  How do you know it was done by one bomb?  You don't.  How do you know the bomb(s) was dropped from a single plane?  You don't.  How do you know how big the blast radius was?  You don't.

5.  Why in god's name would you trust ANYTHING that came out of the FDR administration?  Japanese internment camps, court packing, making gold illegal ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102 ), dragging us into the second world war, new deal and socialist agenda in general.

Sure, believe the man that made owning gold illegal (by executive order, which in and of itself is illegal).  And while you're at it, why don't you go live in a government camp somewhere it's safe.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Friedrich on March 25, 2010, 08:15:52 PM
Are we arguing the bombs dropped on Japan in WWII or the general existence of nuclear bombs?

If this is about the existence of these bombs, I'd love for someone to explain the following video if there are no such weapons:



If this is about the bombing of Japan, ignore the video and let me say that I agree with this:

The fact is that a fire bombing campaign would have required a lot more aircraft, and to claim it was the result of conventional bombing would diminish the purpose of dropping the atomic bomb—that the US had the capacity to erase an entire city with a single weapon. Japanese civilians were well aware of the dangers of fire bombing, and yet they were planning to resist right up until the announcement of surrender. Trying to keep the existence of nuclear weapons secret was actually a goal of America right up until they were dropped, so it wouldn't make any sense if they didn't exist. Realistically this is just as impossible to lie about as the supposed conspiracy to keep the earth's shape a lie.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on March 26, 2010, 08:03:43 AM
Are we arguing the bombs dropped on Japan in WWII or the general existence of nuclear bombs?

If this is about the existence of these bombs, I'd love for someone to explain the following video if there are no such weapons:



If this is about the bombing of Japan, ignore the video and let me say that I agree with this:

The fact is that a fire bombing campaign would have required a lot more aircraft, and to claim it was the result of conventional bombing would diminish the purpose of dropping the atomic bomb—that the US had the capacity to erase an entire city with a single weapon. Japanese civilians were well aware of the dangers of fire bombing, and yet they were planning to resist right up until the announcement of surrender. Trying to keep the existence of nuclear weapons secret was actually a goal of America right up until they were dropped, so it wouldn't make any sense if they didn't exist. Realistically this is just as impossible to lie about as the supposed conspiracy to keep the earth's shape a lie.

Uh... It's a Propaganda video. It's there to boost morale, not to present scientifically factual info.

The fact that it shows planes dropping a ground detonated bomb is a pretty large hint that the video is far from factual. or that they got their lies mixed up half way through.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on March 26, 2010, 03:46:39 PM
Actually the video does not show a ground detonated bomb, in so far as what you can see on the video anyway. So your assertion is flawed. Also, the Tsar Bomba detonation was detected and confirmed by a number of independent monitoring stations. But I suppose those are all part of the conspiracy huh? Sigh.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on March 26, 2010, 09:12:44 PM
Actually the video does not show a ground detonated bomb, in so far as what you can see on the video anyway. So your assertion is flawed. Also, the Tsar Bomba detonation was detected and confirmed by a number of independent monitoring stations. But I suppose those are all part of the conspiracy huh? Sigh.

Uh.... The Tsar Bomba was a ground detonated bomb.

The video showed one dropped from a plane. Hence my assertion that the video is entirely misleading due to either intentionally lying or a fuckup down the road in trying to keep their lies straight.

Oh wow, "independent monitoring stations" all picked up a "bomb going off" when they were told a bomb was going off? Good for them. I wonder what their funding would look like if they couldn't detect the things they were supposed to detect.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Friedrich on March 26, 2010, 09:28:38 PM
Actually the video does not show a ground detonated bomb, in so far as what you can see on the video anyway. So your assertion is flawed. Also, the Tsar Bomba detonation was detected and confirmed by a number of independent monitoring stations. But I suppose those are all part of the conspiracy huh? Sigh.

Uh.... The Tsar Bomba was a ground detonated bomb.

The video showed one dropped from a plane. Hence my assertion that the video is entirely misleading due to either intentionally lying or a fuckup down the road in trying to keep their lies straight.

Oh wow, "independent monitoring stations" all picked up a "bomb going off" when they were told a bomb was going off? Good for them. I wonder what their funding would look like if they couldn't detect the things they were supposed to detect.

The bomb was designed to detonate at 4km (2,5 mil) height and it did.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on March 26, 2010, 11:48:23 PM
Actually the video does not show a ground detonated bomb, in so far as what you can see on the video anyway. So your assertion is flawed. Also, the Tsar Bomba detonation was detected and confirmed by a number of independent monitoring stations. But I suppose those are all part of the conspiracy huh? Sigh.

Uh.... The Tsar Bomba was a ground detonated bomb.

The video showed one dropped from a plane. Hence my assertion that the video is entirely misleading due to either intentionally lying or a fuckup down the road in trying to keep their lies straight.

Oh wow, "independent monitoring stations" all picked up a "bomb going off" when they were told a bomb was going off? Good for them. I wonder what their funding would look like if they couldn't detect the things they were supposed to detect.
Most, if not all, of the seismic stations had no idea it was going to happen (things like nuclear tests being generally secret and all till the time of the event), but picked up a seismic event just the same. And the other poster is correct that you would not detonate a nuke of that size (or any really) at ground level.  Read up a bit on how they are actually deployed before you get so smarmy.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: malashenko on March 27, 2010, 02:22:05 PM
I don't think nuclear weapons exist.  Nuclear power may exist, but I haven't really looked into it that deeply.

Problems I have with nuclear weapon theory:

1.  We went from theory to application in a very, very, short amount of time.  Enrichment of U-235 to weapons grade was not only achieved incredibly fast, but the methods of refining were also produce incredibly fast.

2.  Classification of nuclear technologies.  If it is fake, no one that really knows for sure can ever tell the truth about the subject, period.

3.  The world at the time was being bombarded with more propaganda than imaginable.  Think about watching war film on the TV day in and day out, seeing it in the news papers, hearing it on the radio, at work, everywhere.  They could have declared aliens landed in Alaska and everyone would have bought every last word of it.  People aren't skeptical during turmoil, it's all knee jerk reaction.

4.  'Evidence' of the blasts in Japan could be attributable to any number of bombs.  How do you know it was done by one bomb?  You don't.  How do you know the bomb(s) was dropped from a single plane?  You don't.  How do you know how big the blast radius was?  You don't.

5.  Why in god's name would you trust ANYTHING that came out of the FDR administration?  Japanese internment camps, court packing, making gold illegal ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102 ), dragging us into the second world war, new deal and socialist agenda in general.

Sure, believe the man that made owning gold illegal (by executive order, which in and of itself is illegal).  And while you're at it, why don't you go live in a government camp somewhere it's safe.

Proof of the nuclear weapon's existence has already been shown, and I reiterate: it would have been impossible to launch large-scale air attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima because there weren't enough aircraft stationed near the Home Islands to cause that kind of devastation that quickly. Even the most powerful conventional bombs only had the side-effect of creating firestorms that would not have resulted in complete destruction of the city. Tokyo was bombed for much longer than Dresden with more aircraft and yet the majority of its infrastructure was still intact by war's end. Nagasaki and Hiroshima had eyewitnesses to confirm the bombing, and also the necessary airpower to wipe out both cities within a day (much less than that for an A-bomb) was simply not present.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on March 27, 2010, 08:08:06 PM
Are we arguing the bombs dropped on Japan in WWII or the general existence of nuclear bombs?

If this is about the existence of these bombs, I'd love for someone to explain the following video if there are no such weapons:



If this is about the bombing of Japan, ignore the video and let me say that I agree with this:

The fact is that a fire bombing campaign would have required a lot more aircraft, and to claim it was the result of conventional bombing would diminish the purpose of dropping the atomic bomb—that the US had the capacity to erase an entire city with a single weapon. Japanese civilians were well aware of the dangers of fire bombing, and yet they were planning to resist right up until the announcement of surrender. Trying to keep the existence of nuclear weapons secret was actually a goal of America right up until they were dropped, so it wouldn't make any sense if they didn't exist. Realistically this is just as impossible to lie about as the supposed conspiracy to keep the earth's shape a lie.

Oh yeah?!  Check this out: 
Looks more realistic than the video you posted.  Sure, not as grainy, and not doesn't have the 'discovery' logo on it, but looks real enough to me.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on March 27, 2010, 08:10:10 PM
I don't think nuclear weapons exist.  Nuclear power may exist, but I haven't really looked into it that deeply.

Problems I have with nuclear weapon theory:

1.  We went from theory to application in a very, very, short amount of time.  Enrichment of U-235 to weapons grade was not only achieved incredibly fast, but the methods of refining were also produce incredibly fast.

2.  Classification of nuclear technologies.  If it is fake, no one that really knows for sure can ever tell the truth about the subject, period.

3.  The world at the time was being bombarded with more propaganda than imaginable.  Think about watching war film on the TV day in and day out, seeing it in the news papers, hearing it on the radio, at work, everywhere.  They could have declared aliens landed in Alaska and everyone would have bought every last word of it.  People aren't skeptical during turmoil, it's all knee jerk reaction.

4.  'Evidence' of the blasts in Japan could be attributable to any number of bombs.  How do you know it was done by one bomb?  You don't.  How do you know the bomb(s) was dropped from a single plane?  You don't.  How do you know how big the blast radius was?  You don't.

5.  Why in god's name would you trust ANYTHING that came out of the FDR administration?  Japanese internment camps, court packing, making gold illegal ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102 ), dragging us into the second world war, new deal and socialist agenda in general.

Sure, believe the man that made owning gold illegal (by executive order, which in and of itself is illegal).  And while you're at it, why don't you go live in a government camp somewhere it's safe.

Proof of the nuclear weapon's existence has already been shown, and I reiterate: it would have been impossible to launch large-scale air attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima because there weren't enough aircraft stationed near the Home Islands to cause that kind of devastation that quickly. Even the most powerful conventional bombs only had the side-effect of creating firestorms that would not have resulted in complete destruction of the city. Tokyo was bombed for much longer than Dresden with more aircraft and yet the majority of its infrastructure was still intact by war's end. Nagasaki and Hiroshima had eyewitnesses to confirm the bombing, and also the necessary airpower to wipe out both cities within a day (much less than that for an A-bomb) was simply not present.
Because clearly you have the records of strategic asset placement during that time period.  Oh, that's right, you have no clue.  Now, 'refute' the rest of my points please.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Friedrich on March 27, 2010, 08:52:47 PM
Are we arguing the bombs dropped on Japan in WWII or the general existence of nuclear bombs?

If this is about the existence of these bombs, I'd love for someone to explain the following video if there are no such weapons:



If this is about the bombing of Japan, ignore the video and let me say that I agree with this:

The fact is that a fire bombing campaign would have required a lot more aircraft, and to claim it was the result of conventional bombing would diminish the purpose of dropping the atomic bomb—that the US had the capacity to erase an entire city with a single weapon. Japanese civilians were well aware of the dangers of fire bombing, and yet they were planning to resist right up until the announcement of surrender. Trying to keep the existence of nuclear weapons secret was actually a goal of America right up until they were dropped, so it wouldn't make any sense if they didn't exist. Realistically this is just as impossible to lie about as the supposed conspiracy to keep the earth's shape a lie.

Oh yeah?!  Check this out: 
Looks more realistic than the video you posted.  Sure, not as grainy, and not doesn't have the 'discovery' logo on it, but looks real enough to me.

Stop being dense. The video I showed involves footage from 1961. Comparing it to a rather recent movie and it's special effects is nonsense.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on March 27, 2010, 09:36:57 PM
Are we arguing the bombs dropped on Japan in WWII or the general existence of nuclear bombs?

If this is about the existence of these bombs, I'd love for someone to explain the following video if there are no such weapons:



If this is about the bombing of Japan, ignore the video and let me say that I agree with this:

The fact is that a fire bombing campaign would have required a lot more aircraft, and to claim it was the result of conventional bombing would diminish the purpose of dropping the atomic bomb—that the US had the capacity to erase an entire city with a single weapon. Japanese civilians were well aware of the dangers of fire bombing, and yet they were planning to resist right up until the announcement of surrender. Trying to keep the existence of nuclear weapons secret was actually a goal of America right up until they were dropped, so it wouldn't make any sense if they didn't exist. Realistically this is just as impossible to lie about as the supposed conspiracy to keep the earth's shape a lie.

Oh yeah?!  Check this out: 
Looks more realistic than the video you posted.  Sure, not as grainy, and not doesn't have the 'discovery' logo on it, but looks real enough to me.

Stop being dense. The video I showed involves footage from 1961. Comparing it to a rather recent movie and it's special effects is nonsense.

Okay, okay.  This video wins the argument then: 
Looks every bit of real, has epic sound track, and was released in 1960.  Crop out the movie studio intro, bam, it's real.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Friedrich on March 27, 2010, 09:49:36 PM
No, it does not win the argument. Do the same thing I did and read up on the things other people link you as evidence. The Bomb detonated in 1961 left huge stretches of land devastated and was messured by independent sources all over the world (see EireEngineers posts).

Even if your video had special effects comparable to what we see of the bomb detonating, which it has not, we have other evidence to confirm the existence of the bomb.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: malashenko on March 27, 2010, 09:57:14 PM
I don't think nuclear weapons exist.  Nuclear power may exist, but I haven't really looked into it that deeply.

Problems I have with nuclear weapon theory:

1.  We went from theory to application in a very, very, short amount of time.  Enrichment of U-235 to weapons grade was not only achieved incredibly fast, but the methods of refining were also produce incredibly fast.

2.  Classification of nuclear technologies.  If it is fake, no one that really knows for sure can ever tell the truth about the subject, period.

3.  The world at the time was being bombarded with more propaganda than imaginable.  Think about watching war film on the TV day in and day out, seeing it in the news papers, hearing it on the radio, at work, everywhere.  They could have declared aliens landed in Alaska and everyone would have bought every last word of it.  People aren't skeptical during turmoil, it's all knee jerk reaction.

4.  'Evidence' of the blasts in Japan could be attributable to any number of bombs.  How do you know it was done by one bomb?  You don't.  How do you know the bomb(s) was dropped from a single plane?  You don't.  How do you know how big the blast radius was?  You don't.

5.  Why in god's name would you trust ANYTHING that came out of the FDR administration?  Japanese internment camps, court packing, making gold illegal ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102 ), dragging us into the second world war, new deal and socialist agenda in general.

Sure, believe the man that made owning gold illegal (by executive order, which in and of itself is illegal).  And while you're at it, why don't you go live in a government camp somewhere it's safe.

Proof of the nuclear weapon's existence has already been shown, and I reiterate: it would have been impossible to launch large-scale air attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima because there weren't enough aircraft stationed near the Home Islands to cause that kind of devastation that quickly. Even the most powerful conventional bombs only had the side-effect of creating firestorms that would not have resulted in complete destruction of the city. Tokyo was bombed for much longer than Dresden with more aircraft and yet the majority of its infrastructure was still intact by war's end. Nagasaki and Hiroshima had eyewitnesses to confirm the bombing, and also the necessary airpower to wipe out both cities within a day (much less than that for an A-bomb) was simply not present.
Because clearly you have the records of strategic asset placement during that time period.  Oh, that's right, you have no clue.  Now, 'refute' the rest of my points please.

To clear up the question of how many planes were in the area:
334 B-29 bombers participated in the attack on Tokyo that created a firestorm. This was the largest bombing campaign of the Pacific theater, and the entire force flew to bomb Tokyo. The atomic bombing of Hiroshima was on August 15, 1945. In August the B-29 missions were averaging around 70 planes per mission. To create a firestorm the equivalent of Tokyo's, they would have needed to send ~300 B-29s to attack Hiroshima, but since 70 of them are verified at Tokyo, and 60 were rearming because of the Aug. 7 bombing run, that leaves 204 planes. 204 planes would not have been capable of causing the destruction wrought by a nuclear weapon, even the entire force's run didn't do that in Tokyo. A firestorm would not have been possible under the circumstances, so the overall damage done by the bombing would have been moderate at best. And it wouldn't have wiped out the civilians, as conventional bombing is easily detectable and avoidable compared with a single nuclear attack.

Add to that the glaring fact that eyewitness accounts of pilots and people in Hiroshima don't match up with a massive top-secret bombing run, and it's clear that the only possibility is that a nuclear weapon was used.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on March 28, 2010, 01:12:48 AM
I can't dispute what you're saying here, but you have to look at it from a purely conspirator perspective.

If a nuclear bomb didn't exist, the government would ultimately lie about every single detail.  They'd say they had 1 bomb, 1 plane, per mission.
You can't hear high altitude bombers, and if it's cloudy, you can't see them.  With radar, a vast fleet of high altitude bombers could drop as many bombs as they wanted, all at once, if they so desired.

Am I saying this is exactly what happened?  No, but I think it's one of many alternative possibilities. 
I truly believe that the photos and videos I've seen so far are easily forge-able in technologies of that day.
I would put absolutely nothing past the Administration of that day.  Power grabbers.  You just have to look at the over all political climate of the day, and of the modern world.
If you don't believe your government lies to you, well, you probably have lower blood pressure than I do, lol.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: malashenko on March 28, 2010, 01:29:20 AM
I can't dispute what you're saying here, but you have to look at it from a purely conspirator perspective.

If a nuclear bomb didn't exist, the government would ultimately lie about every single detail.  They'd say they had 1 bomb, 1 plane, per mission.
You can't hear high altitude bombers, and if it's cloudy, you can't see them.  With radar, a vast fleet of high altitude bombers could drop as many bombs as they wanted, all at once, if they so desired.

Am I saying this is exactly what happened?  No, but I think it's one of many alternative possibilities. 
I truly believe that the photos and videos I've seen so far are easily forge-able in technologies of that day.
I would put absolutely nothing past the Administration of that day.  Power grabbers.  You just have to look at the over all political climate of the day, and of the modern world.
If you don't believe your government lies to you, well, you probably have lower blood pressure than I do, lol.

But that still doesn't account for the numerous personal accounts, medical records, and other documents which show things like how many people received full body burns. If a firestorm wasn't created there would be no way for them to experience full body burns while outside of the city, but in many instances this was the norm.

But then why would the US be shocked into action when the USSR developed their A-bomb in '49? Why would any number of geopolitical situations occurred if there was no real bomb?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Friedrich on March 28, 2010, 01:29:50 AM
Of course governments lie, but there are times when you have to trust authority or you keep running around in circles, chasing weird conspiracies. Most people simply lack the time and energy to see the illuminati behind every shadow, plotting some farfetched strategy to do god knows what.

We could easily forge the video I showed you today. Back then? No. Add to this that the video is only part of a body of evidence and I can't see anything pointing against it, besides extreme paranoia.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on March 28, 2010, 01:44:19 AM
That is why I showed you that other video, which was a hollywood movie.  I didn't see anything any more spectacular in your video than in mine, and they were made from the same era.

All the burn victims, etc....You underestimate the near limitless resources of the governments that would have to be involved in pulling this off.
A few government plants (people, not plant plants), total control of the surround area, limitless funding for actors and cinema, planes, etc.

I mean, hell, we're even accepting the idea that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were actually bombed at all.  What if they weren't?

You've never worked for the US government if you haven't had someone literally say "This is what happened.  Now sign it."
It's not optional, and you can't talk about it.  For all intents and purposes, it happened, and you said it did by signing it.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: malashenko on March 28, 2010, 01:48:43 AM
That is why I showed you that other video, which was a hollywood movie.  I didn't see anything any more spectacular in your video than in mine, and they were made from the same era.

All the burn victims, etc....You underestimate the near limitless resources of the governments that would have to be involved in pulling this off.
A few government plants (people, not plant plants), total control of the surround area, limitless funding for actors and cinema, planes, etc.

I mean, hell, we're even accepting the idea that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were actually bombed at all.  What if they weren't?

You've never worked for the US government if you haven't had someone literally say "This is what happened.  Now sign it."
It's not optional, and you can't talk about it.  For all intents and purposes, it happened, and you said it did by signing it.

Ok, but the US wasn't the first on-scene at the Hiroshima bombings—Japan was. They had no reason to fake the existence of the bomb, and if they knew the US didn't possess such a weapon then they would do anything to discredit them. The only reason Japan surrendered was because they feared further deployment of nuclear arms; they were preparing to commit mass suicides and fight to the last man.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Friedrich on March 28, 2010, 01:54:00 AM
Okay, let me accept (for the sake of argument, though I still disagree) that the video I showed you was forged by the Soviets.
Explain 2 things to me:

1. How did independant sources all over the world register the bomb exploding? (Keep in mind that the test was secret, so they were not warned)

2. How do you explain that the flash of the explosion was visible up to 1.000 km away?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on March 28, 2010, 02:02:41 AM
That is why I showed you that other video, which was a hollywood movie.  I didn't see anything any more spectacular in your video than in mine, and they were made from the same era.

All the burn victims, etc....You underestimate the near limitless resources of the governments that would have to be involved in pulling this off.
A few government plants (people, not plant plants), total control of the surround area, limitless funding for actors and cinema, planes, etc.

I mean, hell, we're even accepting the idea that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were actually bombed at all.  What if they weren't?

You've never worked for the US government if you haven't had someone literally say "This is what happened.  Now sign it."
It's not optional, and you can't talk about it.  For all intents and purposes, it happened, and you said it did by signing it.

Ok, but the US wasn't the first on-scene at the Hiroshima bombings—Japan was. They had no reason to fake the existence of the bomb, and if they knew the US didn't possess such a weapon then they would do anything to discredit them. The only reason Japan surrendered was because they feared further deployment of nuclear arms; they were preparing to commit mass suicides and fight to the last man.

Maybe they needed an exit strategy and were happy to play along.  Win, Win.
Of course, we're talking about imperial japan, one of the most sadistic and subversive governments in history.  They wouldn't do ANYTHING like that, would they?
They used to take female civilian POWs and send them as prostitutes to the front lines.  The convinced people to commit suicide by kamikaze.  They were notorious for being ruthless killers of POWs.
The Japanese people they had the power of the gods behind them in the form of the Emperor.  They needed something strong to be snapped out of war mode.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Friedrich on March 28, 2010, 02:12:31 AM
Okay, let me accept (for the sake of argument, though I still disagree) that the video I showed you was forged by the Soviets.
Explain 2 things to me:

1. How did independant sources all over the world register the bomb exploding? (Keep in mind that the test was secret, so they were not warned)

2. How do you explain that the flash of the explosion was visible up to 1.000 km away?

Answers. You have them?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on March 28, 2010, 02:14:48 AM
Okay, let me accept (for the sake of argument, though I still disagree) that the video I showed you was forged by the Soviets.
Explain 2 things to me:

1. How did independant sources all over the world register the bomb exploding? (Keep in mind that the test was secret, so they were not warned)

2. How do you explain that the flash of the explosion was visible up to 1.000 km away?

Answers. You have them?

1.  You made a claim, didn't back it up with anything.

2.  You made a claim, didn't back it up with anything.

Where are these accounts you speak of?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Friedrich on March 28, 2010, 02:21:20 AM
Okay, let me accept (for the sake of argument, though I still disagree) that the video I showed you was forged by the Soviets.
Explain 2 things to me:

1. How did independant sources all over the world register the bomb exploding? (Keep in mind that the test was secret, so they were not warned)

2. How do you explain that the flash of the explosion was visible up to 1.000 km away?

Answers. You have them?

1.  You made a claim, didn't back it up with anything.

2.  You made a claim, didn't back it up with anything.

Where are these accounts you speak of?

A perfect! You just said that you respect wikipedia as a source for information in another thread. So, I'll use that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

"The seismic shock created by the detonation was measurable even on its third passage around the Earth. Its seismic body wave magnitude was about 5 to 5.25."

"The explosion could be seen and felt in Finland, breaking windows there and in Canada."

There we go!

It's actually pretty funny that someone demands proof after pretty much saying that the only thing they provide is: "Evil goverment! They lie! Don't you see?"


So, now it's your turn. Show me something to back up your claims.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on March 28, 2010, 02:35:58 AM
Okay, let me accept (for the sake of argument, though I still disagree) that the video I showed you was forged by the Soviets.
Explain 2 things to me:

1. How did independant sources all over the world register the bomb exploding? (Keep in mind that the test was secret, so they were not warned)

2. How do you explain that the flash of the explosion was visible up to 1.000 km away?

Answers. You have them?

1.  You made a claim, didn't back it up with anything.

2.  You made a claim, didn't back it up with anything.

Where are these accounts you speak of?

A perfect! You just said that you respect wikipedia as a source for information in another thread. So, I'll use that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

"The seismic shock created by the detonation was measurable even on its third passage around the Earth. Its seismic body wave magnitude was about 5 to 5.25."

"The explosion could be seen and felt in Finland, breaking windows there and in Canada."

There we go!

It's actually pretty funny that someone demands proof after pretty much saying that the only thing they provide is: "Evil goverment! They lie! Don't you see?"


So, now it's your turn. Show me something to back up your claims.
I'm not making the claim...per se...that the bombs don't exist.  I'm saying there is good potential that they don't so I choose to believe they don't.
All those things I said about the Japanese are true, but I don't think this was the point your were getting at.

"The explosion could be seen and felt in Finland[citation needed] , breaking windows there and in Canada.[citation needed]"  lol.  Well...there goes the witness accounts, lol.  I haven't seen anything other wise.

The references to the seismic evidence are third hand accounts of third hand accounts.
I want to know who said these things, and I want to see the data.
Otherwise, it's just yellow journalism.
If the New York Times says that a seismic observatory in New Zealand detected 5.5 on the scale, who can refute that 40 years ago?  By the time they do, the info is out of the public eye, and we're on to the next big development.
All 'Nuclear Powers' have a vested interest in validating each other's claims. 
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: 17 November on March 28, 2010, 03:18:52 AM
Quote from: Mizzle
All 'Nuclear Powers' have a vested interest in validating each other's claims.

Good point.  I don't know why I didn't think of that as it is rather obvious.  The deception is maintained by so-called nuclear powered governments who when talking about this and certain other subjects seem to use rhetoric which means things other than what is understood by most people.   

I have mentioned Noam Chomsky's book 'Necessary Illusions:  Thought Control in Democratic Societies' and especially Walter Bowart's 'Operation Mind Control' (especially the 1994 greatly expanded edition) as volumes which provide approaches which could lead to a fuller understanding of the phenomena of this myth and its purpose.

My thread on this topic:
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11293.0

Also, levee (aka sandokhan) has posted some valuable information pertaining to this modern myth.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on March 28, 2010, 03:27:29 AM
That was a great post.  I book marked to so I can potentially investigate this report as you claim.  I'm very interested in the subject.

I don't have any proof of foul play, but I feel all the right pieces are there.
Like I said before, it's completely amazing how fast we went from concept to strategic (some say tactical, I say strategic) deployment of the bombs.  Just a few years times from concept to weapon.
If you could discover the enrichment process and enrich uranium this quickly, why hasn't every relatively modern country in the world done so.  We did it in just a couple years, surely 60 years has been enough to play catch up.  Yet, Iran hasn't done it yet, and they've be (purportedly) working on it for years.
I think the US, UK, et al governments don't want Iran to find out the damn bombs are fake, lol.
Iran's the only country in the world with enough balls to call bullshit.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: 17 November on March 28, 2010, 05:12:35 AM
Quote from: 17 November
The deception is maintained by so-called nuclear powered governments who when talking about this and certain other subjects seem to use rhetoric which means things other than what is understood by most people.

Some persons who have survived, escaped, and recovered from intensive CIA thought control programming such as Candy Jones, Cathy O'Brien, or Sue Ford reveal that high level politicians (including for example US presidents), financiers, and their associates within certain clearly defined but secret and discreet social circles use a common language of thought control triggers with these unfortunate individuals in order for them to do any number of things including delivering verbatim top secret messages, performing sex acts, or whatever they are told to do. 

Candy Jones
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candy_Jones

Sue Ford (Brice Taylor)
http://www.whale.to/b/taylor.html

Cathy O'Brien
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/02/280183.shtml

Operation Mind Control (Original 1978 Edition)
By Walter Bowart
http://www.karlaturner.org/books/Operation_Mind_Control_-_Walter_Bowart.pdf

(The huge 1994 edition of Bowart's book includes a chapter each on Cathy O'Brien and Sue Ford which are synopses of their stories prior to the appearance of their own autobiographies.)

Bearing in mind that the nuclear weapons hoax was nearing full implementation during world war two, it is interesting to note on page 129 of the (above) 1978 edition of 'Operation Mind Control' that Bowart states that OSS (CIA's WWII predesecessor) founder British SOE agent William Stephenson was using mind controlled "zombies" as agents for sensitive missions during the early days of world war two.

"On the KSAN program Candy Jones and Donald Bain
both insisted, despite my own evidence and arguments, the
testimony of Jessica Mitford, and the evidence provided by
two other investigative reporters, that Candy had been only
a human guinea pig used for experimental purposes. The
records of the CIA mind-control project clearly show, however,
that during the 1960s the cryptocracy's mind control
had gone far beyond the experimental stage. On that radio
show, Candy Jones herself revealed that Sir William Stephenson
(A Man Called Intrepid) believed that she was no
guinea pig. She reported that Stephenson wrote her that as
far back as the early days of World War II he had used
zombie agents like her in the service of British Intelligence."

The relevant point here is that a form of communication is used which most people do not recognize or discern or even have any idea about.  With nuclear weapons, most people are led to believe things that are not true because of their television sets or faith in something in which it is patently all to easy to propagate complete falsehoods and have people believe them.  This occurs all the time with politics so it is not much of a stretch to use the same mediums of deception to alter some of peoples' understandings of science and nature.  The major news media are instruments in the service of those who own and control them - they are unfortunately not at the service of truth for the sake of peoples' knowledge.

Quote from: Mizzle
Iran's the only country in the world with enough balls to call bullshit.

This seems likely the case which would only further confirm that the so-called nuclear powers which check each others back are limited to governments or forces allied to the United States.  The old British colonial power fell in the 1940's, but was replaced in India and Pakistan by governments of sahibs (i.e. the south asian version of oreos or uncle toms) who do what they are told in order to stay in power. 

In the case of the alleged nuclear weapons of the USSR, it was pointed out by Tony Cliff (taking Trotskyism to its logical conclusion) in his 1947 book 'State Capitalism in Russia' that Stalinist Russia was absolutely a counter-revolutionary capitalist (as opposed to Marxist) state since at least 1928.  Unlike the true revolutionaries whom he put to death, Stalin was viewed by western capitalists as someone with whom deals could be cut. 

Ralph Epperson wrote a book and produced a DVD documentary on the subject that the USSR never had any nuclear weapons at all - he includes reports of instances of wooden or impressive sized fake missiles installed for the benefit of camera crews. 

http://ralph-epperson.com/#b6

Although deluded into believing that the US has nuclear weapons, Epperson states that "One of the evidences is the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (the INF Treaty) signed in 1989 by Pres. Ronald Reagan and Russian Premier Mikhael Gorbachev.  The Treaty "ELIMINATES" WARHEADS AND MISSILES WITHOUT EITHER NATION BEING ALLOWED TO VERIFY COMPLIANCE that warheads and missiles have been ELIMINATED!"

The whole purpose of this part of this particular arrangement (eliminating warheads) is to eliminate the need to extensively verify the existence of these alleged weapons.  The (bi-lateral) reduction of warheads was a necessary step of deception because it reduces the alleged overall number of so-called nuclear weapons as well as the number of alleged overall places they are stored.  Thus, the United States or the Soviet Union need only maintain the hoax in a very small number of highly and easily controlled military environments.  This is the truth about cold war era US-USSR nuclear weapons reductions talks and agreements - what is presented as the main story is a sham, a lie.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: 17 November on March 28, 2010, 06:02:05 AM
Radioactive Danger is False Propaganda

Another aspect of this myth is the danger of alleged nuclear radiation about which mainstream scientists are definitely not in consensus.  

As I mentioned before many men who worked on the first so-called US atomic bombs in the 1940's and were directly exposed to plutonium (widely branded by american scientists and media as the deadliest substance known to man) were shown by a 1980 Financial Times article over thirty years later to be all in perfect health except for two who who had died (one in an auto accident and the other in old age of natural causes).

The false Chernobyl propaganda was blown out of all proportions to reality from the beginning by the same Russian government which pretends it has weapons of mass destruction whose alleged power of explosiveness defy scientific reality and demonstrable fact.

The Truth About Chernobyl is Told
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/chernobyl.html



Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on March 28, 2010, 08:23:43 AM
Wow...you're in deep, lol.
That's a lot to take in, all very plausible.
You've clearly done a lot of research into this.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: 17 November on April 04, 2010, 07:51:33 PM
Walter Bowart's 'Operation Mind Control' again came to mind after reading the following post from Science Forums.net:

"I suppose most of you are aware that Col Paul Tibbets, who recently passed away at age 94, was the pilot of the B-29 called Enola Gay said to have dropped the first atom bomb on the City of Hiroshima in August 1945. Ok, lets have a closer look at that story for a moment and see if the good Col was suffering from magnitude dyslexia.

The story says that the B-29 carrying this atom bomb was cruising at an altitude of about 30,000 feet when they dropped the bomb and it is written that the bomb detonated at about 1800 feet above the city of Hiroshima. According to the testimonials of the crew onboard the Enola Gay two seperate shock waves struck them after the bomb went off and the shock was so severe that they thought they were experiencing flack. One report said the shock was spine jarring. Anyways the crew of the plane that dropped this bomb are clear that the plane was rocked good twice. Col Tibbets told his crew that the second shock wave was a reflection from the ground. So far no problem.

I have examined a lot of post bombing photos, aerial or otherwise, of the city of Hiroshima and saw charred trees still standing, streets clear of debris and read reports that the underground piped were barely damaged. I did not see a crater nor did I see the slightest clue that would indicate a shockwave of any kind. I tried to find some historical seismograms that recorded the blast and none exist I am told. So, here's the problem:

How can a plane be violently rocked from a blast 28,000 feet below it while the city only 1800 feet below the blast shows no evidence of a shockwave? I mean, how is this possible? If the blast was sufficient to violently rock a B-29 at 30,000 feet then why were the streets in the city just below the blast not littered with debris, the piping totally obliterated and the ground cratered as if hit by a gargantuan hammer? Are all these people suffering from magnitude dyslexia or is the official record of what happened there untruthful?"

http://www.scienceforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=29808

Bowart explains that during a radio interview in San Francisco in the late 1970's promoting his book, he received a call from a retired Navy Commander who stated that in the late 1960's he led a group of men on a top secret mission in southeast asia.  At first he remembered nothing remarkable about it except that on the way back he caught the flu - the whole group seemed to catch the fluu and spent two weeks in the hospital immediately after the mission was over.  Afterwards, they all returned home with cardboard memories, but after several years he began to have dreams and flashbacks as his memory of what occirred gradually returned.  He indicated that he realized that they had actually crossed the border into China on a mission to assassinate specific local charismatic political leaders, and that he was not proud of any of it.

I do not presently have any direct corroborative evidence with reguard to the unlikely stroy of the Enola Gay crew about two alleged shock waves, but it is worth taking into account.  Bowart does say that the section of society most often vulnerable to be used as guinea pigs for mind control experiments and operations are members of the military.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on April 04, 2010, 09:34:29 PM
Great links and posts.  It's crazy that no one ever bothers to read this kind of information.  Everyone's always like "Of course nukes are real, I saw the video on the TV!"

I know that radiation does make people sick, but I don't think it's the same as particle decay radiation as in plutonium.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: parsec on April 04, 2010, 11:46:57 PM
Great links and posts.  It's crazy that no one ever bothers to read this kind of information.  Everyone's always like "Of course nukes are real, I saw the video on the TV!"
People do not read this (dis)information that 17November posts, since it's an obvious copypasta and does not address the point.

I know that radiation does make people sick, but I don't think it's the same as particle decay radiation as in plutonium.
what are you talking about?

EDIT:
Radioactive Danger is False Propaganda

Another aspect of this myth is the danger of alleged nuclear radiation about which mainstream scientists are definitely not in consensus.  

As I mentioned before many men who worked on the first so-called US atomic bombs in the 1940's and were directly exposed to plutonium (widely branded by american scientists and media as the deadliest substance known to man) were shown by a 1980 Financial Times article over thirty years later to be all in perfect health except for two who who had died (one in an auto accident and the other in old age of natural causes).

If you are so certain in your claims, would you care to repeat the experiment for us?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on April 05, 2010, 12:30:27 AM
I know that radiation does make people sick, but I don't think it's the same as particle decay radiation as in plutonium.
what are you talking about?

Gamma rays vs alpha rays.  Plutonium releases alpha particles, and it's held that while exposure to intense beams of Gamma rays are toxic, alpha particles are not.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: parsec on April 05, 2010, 05:08:59 AM
I know that radiation does make people sick, but I don't think it's the same as particle decay radiation as in plutonium.
what are you talking about?

Gamma rays vs alpha rays.  Plutonium releases alpha particles, and it's held that while exposure to intense beams of Gamma rays are toxic, alpha particles are not.
Try swallowing some plutonium and report back, please.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: dude55 on April 05, 2010, 06:52:29 AM
Alright, I'll go ahead and just bite into this topic then. The explosion in Hiroshima was seen by nearby villages and even military/Japanese governmental workers, the damage done by the bombs wasn't of burning, (Although some buildings were burnt or on fire of course.) many stone structures were destroyed or crash down, a fire explosion wouldn't have caused as nearly much destruction as was caused. Not to mention for a fire bombing or for as many bombs as their would have needed to been to cause this damage there would have needed to be far more then one plane. And proof that there WAS one plane.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Yamaguchi#Nagasaki_bombing

The man survived two bombs and died from cancer. (I believe the cancer was caused by the very radiation he was exposed to from the bombs..)

Not to mention why would Japan agree to show themselves as weaklings and say they got destroyed by atomic bombs? I mean after all if Japan would have proof they were fake (which they obviously would have had) then they would have gladly said they were. Not to mention there would be far more wars if atomic bombs didnt exist, many governments today are -afraid- of starting wars because the threat of a nuclear holocaust. The very thing this fake nuke conspiracy is built on which is the fear of the public masses would strike as much fear into the governments if they were real.

And why would every other country in the world that despised us at the time want to give America the chance to so called have the first 'fake' Nuke and not themselves? Even today America is known to have the most 'fake' bombs then any other.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: The Question1 on April 05, 2010, 11:15:38 AM
Ask the survivors,and eyewitnesses if Nukes exist ::).
People can deny anything apparently,never thought nuclear weapons would be one.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on April 06, 2010, 04:15:19 AM
You ask the survivors.
There don't have to be any survivors in fact.  All it would take are a few journalists that 'went' there to fabricate a story.
What villagers saw the plane and explosions?  A handful of people that probably don't exist, that's who.

You need to think about the possibility in the light of conspiracy.
If you can link to eye witness accounts of verifiable people, not affiliated with the US Government, then we've got something.  Until then, all the accounts are make-believe propaganda.

Why don't I believe they exist?  Outside of TV and movies, I've seen absolutely zero evidence to their existence.  I don't just mean I personally haven't seen them, I'm talking about scientific data and reports which don't exist.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: The Question1 on April 06, 2010, 12:41:06 PM
What do you mean no evidence?Doesn't Nuclear power work the same way?
Isn't the radioactive surviovors proof enough?
Otherwise i don't see why the japannesse would stop,or not call them out.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on April 06, 2010, 07:52:18 PM
What do you mean no evidence?Doesn't Nuclear power work the same way?
Isn't the radioactive surviovors proof enough?
Otherwise i don't see why the japannesse would stop,or not call them out.
Call whom out?  Radioactive survivors?  Where are all these people?  Where are you getting this info from?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Vongeo on April 06, 2010, 08:19:56 PM
That video was rather dumb. I don't hate much openly, but I found that to be quite stupid.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Pete on April 06, 2010, 09:48:45 PM
You need to think about the possibility in the light of conspiracy.
If you can link to eye witness accounts of verifiable people, not affiliated with the US Government, then we've got something.  Until then, all the accounts are make-believe propaganda.

Durrrrrrr, how about the Imperial Court of Japan? http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB162/71.pdf (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB162/71.pdf) http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB162/63.pdf (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB162/63.pdf) http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB162/62.pdf (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB162/62.pdf) http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB162/61.pdf (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB162/61.pdf)

Why don't I believe they exist?

Because you aren't terribly bright?

 Outside of TV and movies, I've seen absolutely zero evidence to their existence.

See above links.

 I don't just mean I personally haven't seen them, I'm talking about scientific data and reports which don't exist.

You don't think it exists because you never bothered to use Google  ::)

http://www7.nationalacademies.org/archives/ABCC_GeneralReport1947.html (http://www7.nationalacademies.org/archives/ABCC_GeneralReport1947.html)

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on April 07, 2010, 05:52:16 PM
Absolutely none of those links directed me to 'eyewitness accounts' that so many people talk about in this thread.  Where are all the seismic readings?  Where are all the survivors?
There is one reference to the term 'eyewitness account,' in the 4th link, but it seems to be referencing some eyewitness account that is not cited whatsoever.  In fact, other than that it actually says 'eyewitness account' there is nothing resembling an eye witness's account.
I want to see all the 'independent agency' reports that people claim as evidence, even though they haven't seen it themselves.

When someone starts linking to this NON-US-GOVERNMENT affiliated 'independent' 'evidence,' I'll buy into it.  As of yet, nothing has been substantiated.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: The Question1 on April 07, 2010, 06:44:30 PM
What do you mean no evidence?Doesn't Nuclear power work the same way?
Isn't the radioactive surviovors proof enough?
Otherwise i don't see why the japannesse would stop,or not call them out.
Call whom out?  Radioactive survivors?  Where are all these people?  Where are you getting this info from?
Obviously the americans,i mean if it didn't happen than the survivors surely would have said something right?
The people registered with the japanesse government as survivors of the bombs.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Deceiver on April 07, 2010, 07:47:55 PM
This topic is nothing like Flat earth -- speculating to get your brain thinking is generally a good thing -- but this is a completely different matter. Downplaying any sort of human suffering is taking it way too far.

Seriously folks, go watch a documentary or two. Most of them even have credits at the end if you want references. If you can watch the tens or hundreds of traumatized and victimized hiroshima/nagasaki witnesses retell their story, and still call it a bald faced lie, then there is no amount of pity that any of us can express towards you. There is no mistaking a nuclear bomb for a massive firebomb raid. Sorry folks.

On a less serious note, if you go get a Geiger counter and visit sites that were bombed in the past or recently you'll find your evidence. Even the older sites still have residual level of radiation.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on April 07, 2010, 08:08:13 PM
What people registered with the japanese government?  Where do you get this information?  That's what I'm trying to figure out here.  There's a whole lot of tale-telling, and nothing to back it up.

What documentaries?  Clearly, you've seen them, so what are they, and what are these references that you know of?

I'm still waiting for someone to produce the eye witness accounts.  If everyone is so sure as to their existence, then it shouldn't be hard to remember where you found this information.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Death-T on April 07, 2010, 08:20:43 PM
Here's a question - why would our government invent the existance of a nuclear bomb? Why would we not throw away the farce when the Soviets got the bomb? Why would the Japanese go along with it? Why would we allow a fake weapon to become a bargaining chip for rogue nations.... such as North Korea?

As for survivors - http://www.web.net/~cnanw/setsukostory.htm

Seriously - if you grew up anywhere except under a rock.... and you think nukes are nonexistant (and would then mean that governments had encountered eachother in deadly arms races, political showdowns, and wars for no real reason) probably nothing less than actually subjecting you to a nuclear blast would convince you otherwise.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Deceiver on April 07, 2010, 08:23:56 PM
What people registered with the japanese government?  Where do you get this information?  That's what I'm trying to figure out here.  There's a whole lot of tale-telling, and nothing to back it up.

What documentaries?  Clearly, you've seen them, so what are they, and what are these references that you know of?

I'm still waiting for someone to produce the eye witness accounts.  If everyone is so sure as to their existence, then it shouldn't be hard to remember where you found this information.

I'll assume you're not a troll and actually do live under a rock.

Japan is at least 95pct native, you want me to procure a non-Japanese citizen with sufficient memory that they can retell every last detail from the blast site of a bomb that detonated over 60 years ago, just to get rid of bias which for you will always exist? Shall I bring him or her in person? Show you their papers to prove that they do not work for the government followed by a genealogy report to demonstrate that no relatives living or dead within the 100 years had Conspiracy motives? Your request is completely insane Mizzle! Unless it supports your ideology, this forum has made it abundently clear that articles, peer reviewed articles with documented experiments, photographs, videos, eye-witness accounts, none are fair game when it comes to proving anything.

So as I said, get yourself a Geiger counter and visit the places yourself. Snap... those were made by scientists who have a vested interest in nuclear physics -- can't use devices that promote the conspiracy!

Do an amazon.com search, I'm sure you can find at least a handful of documentaries on WWII. Even the history channel on cable television here in the states show WWII footage constantly. If you ever bothered to watch a documentary, you might notice that when people interview witnesses, they usually have names, and quotes from people are referenced as well. In fact any sort of footage or visual or whatever must be cited if it isn't first hand.

EDIT: here's a few for starters

Atomic Bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WWII: A Tale of Two Cities (1946) [DVD] - Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima Nagasaki Aftermath Including Ground Zero & Bomb Victims (DVD - 2008)
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Ddvd&field-keywords=wwii+hiroshima&x=13&y=23

History -- Man, Moment, Machine: Ultimate Weapon: Oppenheimer and the Atomic Bomb
http://www.amazon.com/History-Man-Moment-Machine-Oppenheimer/dp/B002GYWCF4/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1270698117&sr=1-4

World War II in Japan Documentary and Newsreel Film Library 2 Dvds- Pearl Harbor, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Japanese Internment, Historic Battles
http://www.amazon.com/Documentary-Newsreel-Hiroshima-Nagasaki-Internment/dp/B000NL8PMG/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1270698117&sr=1-5
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on April 07, 2010, 08:47:43 PM
You do the damned amazon search, it's your side of the discussion.  I'm dying to know where exactly you're getting your 'evidence' from. 

From the link, which is the first account anyone has bothered to link to:
"In contrast, however, the Occupation authorities imposed psycho-social political oppression on Hiroshima and Nagasaki survivors. For example, within days of Japan’s formal surrender they introduced a Press Code in Japan. This permitted reporting on the technological triumph of the atomic bomb by the US but censored anything that might be considered to be criticism of the United States. The occupation authorities confiscated diaries, poems, photographs, movie film, medical specimens, slides for microscopes and doctors’ records on the treatment of radiation, some 32,000 items in all. Autopsies by Japanese doctors had to be done secretly in primitive conditions and the results passed from hand to hand under threat of prosecution. Because of this politically hostile milieu, survivors were deprived of the normal and needed grieving process following their massive trauma and had to repress their suffering in silence and isolation."
According to convential 'knowledge,' this person should have:
a) Been killed from the shockwave almost immediately.
b) Died in the resulting firestorm almost immediately.
c) Died from radiation posioning almost immediately.
She accounts that she was about a mile from ground zero.  Well within the instant/near instant death range of the bomb.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Deceiver on April 07, 2010, 08:51:12 PM
I edited my post a while back, but right there are some links for you.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Deceiver on April 07, 2010, 08:53:31 PM
You do the damned amazon search, it's your side of the discussion.  I'm dying to know where exactly you're getting your 'evidence' from. 

From the link, which is the first account anyone has bothered to link to:
"In contrast, however, the Occupation authorities imposed psycho-social political oppression on Hiroshima and Nagasaki survivors. For example, within days of Japan’s formal surrender they introduced a Press Code in Japan. This permitted reporting on the technological triumph of the atomic bomb by the US but censored anything that might be considered to be criticism of the United States. The occupation authorities confiscated diaries, poems, photographs, movie film, medical specimens, slides for microscopes and doctors’ records on the treatment of radiation, some 32,000 items in all. Autopsies by Japanese doctors had to be done secretly in primitive conditions and the results passed from hand to hand under threat of prosecution. Because of this politically hostile milieu, survivors were deprived of the normal and needed grieving process following their massive trauma and had to repress their suffering in silence and isolation."
According to convential 'knowledge,' this person should have:
a) Been killed from the shockwave almost immediately.
b) Died in the resulting firestorm almost immediately.
c) Died from radiation posioning almost immediately.
She accounts that she was about a mile from ground zero.  Well within the instant/near instant death range of the bomb.

Your conventional knowledge assumes that the entire area was affected equally. Bombs aren't pretty, even nuclear bombs are susceptible to sloppy and inconsistent damage.

For more detail, here's a link to a blast report done by PBS. An excerpt follows.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/bomb/sfeature/1mtblast.html
The fission bomb detonated over Hiroshima had an explosive blast equivalent to 12,500 tons of TNT. A 1 megaton hydrogen bomb, hypothetically detonated on the earth's surface, has about 80 times the blast power of that 1945 explosion.

Radius of destructive circle: 1.7 miles
12 pounds per square inch

At the center lies a crater 200 feet deep and 1000 feet in diameter. The rim of this crater is 1,000 feet wide and is composed of highly radioactive soil and debris. Nothing recognizable remains within about 3,200 feet (0.6 miles) from the center, except, perhaps, the remains of some buildings' foundations. At 1.7 miles, only some of the strongest buildings -- those made of reinforced, poured concrete -- are still standing. Ninety-eight percent of the population in this area are dead.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on April 07, 2010, 09:01:03 PM
She claimed she was 'inside the mushroom cloud.'  The radiation poisioning alone should have been very much more than enough.
I've seen plenty of film from WWII.  Do these documentaries include interviews of survivors at the time?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Deceiver on April 07, 2010, 09:10:14 PM
She claimed she was 'inside the mushroom cloud.'  The radiation poisioning alone should have been very much more than enough.
I've seen plenty of film from WWII.  Do these documentaries include interviews of survivors at the time?

I'll be nice here and not demand that you unequivically prove how much radiation she was exposed to in her precise spot along with figures as to how much radiation is necessary to kill someone over x amount of time.

For many people, the radiation poisoning was enough. For many people, the heat blast was enough. In fact, for many people, the trauma was enough. That does not discount her survival; she is incredibly fortunate to be alive.

I'm not going to preview these movies for you. The obvious answer is yes -- who else are they going to use as eye witnesses, President Truman and leprechauns?

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Death-T on April 07, 2010, 09:19:16 PM
Has anyone given a precise motive for this conspiracy.... or it just a repeat of the general FES response to the same question posed to the FET - /shurg/ "Cuz, da money. -Lulz"
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Death-T on April 07, 2010, 09:25:47 PM
Has anyone given a precise motive for this conspiracy.... or it just a repeat of the general FES response to the same question posed to the FET - /shurg/ "Cuz, da money. -Lulz"

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his lackeys run this forum board. FE is the Conspiracy! According to them, they will be the first ones to create a real atomic bomb.  :o

The sad thing is.... that actually makes more sense that a great many things the FESers have posted. So is humanity.... two legs are rushing forward in progress... while one pinky toe is retarded (in movement - wink-wink) and holds us back from our full potential.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on April 07, 2010, 11:14:38 PM
It is pretty sad, since many FETs dont believe in the existence of Atoms either, so it is a little hard to explain the mechanics of radiation, fusion, or fission to them.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: malashenko on April 07, 2010, 11:20:46 PM
You ask the survivors.
There don't have to be any survivors in fact.  All it would take are a few journalists that 'went' there to fabricate a story.
What villagers saw the plane and explosions?  A handful of people that probably don't exist, that's who.

You need to think about the possibility in the light of conspiracy.
If you can link to eye witness accounts of verifiable people, not affiliated with the US Government, then we've got something.  Until then, all the accounts are make-believe propaganda.

Why don't I believe they exist?  Outside of TV and movies, I've seen absolutely zero evidence to their existence.  I don't just mean I personally haven't seen them, I'm talking about scientific data and reports which don't exist.

There's simply no way that nuclear weapons don't exist. Nuclear power works, we know for a fact that the mechanics behind them are sound, and there's several well documented tests, and of course the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs.

I've already explained to you the lack of bombers necessary to create a firestorm in Hiroshima, but there's another flaw in your explanation. Assuming there were another hundred bombers stationed within range of Japan, realize that their bombing runs have to be space weeks apart due to the long task of rearmament and dealing with individual wear and tear. That's why Hiroshima couldn't have been bombed by conventional weapons and produced the same effect, but note that the bombing of Nagasaki took place only three days later. Considering that it took up to two weeks to get a small force of around 50 bombers to attack Tokyo, it's quite clear that the scenario you present, with the government just covering it up, is impossible.

Denying blatantly verified facts that are supported by science as a whole, and to respond with such ridiculous claims, is not by any means beneficial. You simply don't deny the key deterrent to war between the US and USSR. Both sides had the largest surveillance networks in history so they verified the existence of each others' weapons. Don't give me a line about how they were in cahoots, because they were ideologically opposed on a fundamental level.

For some more evidence to this non-issue of a phenomena, check here: The Manhattan Project (http://www.cfo.doe.gov/me70/manhattan/publications/DE99001330.pdf)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Deceiver on April 07, 2010, 11:21:21 PM
It is pretty sad, since many FETs dont believe in the existence of Atoms either, so it is a little hard to explain the mechanics of radiation, fusion, or fission to them.

All they wanted was a flat earth! The dominoes just keep falling.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Death-T on April 08, 2010, 07:00:02 AM
It is pretty sad, since many FETs dont believe in the existence of Atoms either, so it is a little hard to explain the mechanics of radiation, fusion, or fission to them.

Wait...... you joking right? Then what is everything made of then? Getting rid of the atom basically screws up a lot of explainations we have for the world (such as current).... have they supplemented an explaination for these now unexplained phenomena in the FET? Or does this go under the same line as "How could there be craters on the face of the moon?"
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on April 08, 2010, 07:54:02 AM
I'm just dying to know where everyone is getting all of the information.  I've seen 1 link to 1 eyewitness account, which may or may not be a real account of something that actually happened.
The way everyone pitches it, there should be overwhelming evidence of all natures, however most people here just say 'how can you deny it?'
Why do you think WWII was so well filmed anyway?  How do you think stories and pictures were transmitted during the pacific campaign?  It was all supported by the US government.  Do you actually think anything we didn't want the masses to hear about would have actually made it into the papers?

Everyone seems to think the conspiracy has to be bigger than it really is.
It only takes a few government plants, and the media to sell a conspiracy.  You don't need hundreds of eye witnesses, you only need a couple corrupt reporters to 'document' these witnesses.  Sure, there are flag-baring puppets like the eyewitness account linked to previously, but those are clearly not the majority.

My policy stands:  Everything that came out of the US Government circa 1910-present has been the boldest of lies.
If you don't think the people at the top are corrupt, you're just not thinking clearly.
If nuclear weapons didn't exist, pepole would flip the bird to the US and the USSR, and not live in oppressive fear.  That's precisely why I don't think they exist.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Deceiver on April 08, 2010, 08:30:12 AM
I'm just dying to know where everyone is getting all of the information.  I've seen 1 link to 1 eyewitness account, which may or may not be a real account of something that actually happened.
The way everyone pitches it, there should be overwhelming evidence of all natures, however most people here just say 'how can you deny it?'
Why do you think WWII was so well filmed anyway?  How do you think stories and pictures were transmitted during the pacific campaign?  It was all supported by the US government.  Do you actually think anything we didn't want the masses to hear about would have actually made it into the papers?

Everyone seems to think the conspiracy has to be bigger than it really is.
It only takes a few government plants, and the media to sell a conspiracy.  You don't need hundreds of eye witnesses, you only need a couple corrupt reporters to 'document' these witnesses.  Sure, there are flag-baring puppets like the eyewitness account linked to previously, but those are clearly not the majority.

My policy stands:  Everything that came out of the US Government circa 1910-present has been the boldest of lies.
If you don't think the people at the top are corrupt, you're just not thinking clearly.
If nuclear weapons didn't exist, pepole would flip the bird to the US and the USSR, and not live in oppressive fear.  That's precisely why I don't think they exist.

I'll play your game Mizzle.

Prove that the eyewitness from the report that Death linked you is somehow representing the Conspiracy and is entirely untrue or can be disqualified. You aren't even capable of demonstrating that the nuclear blast should have killed her outright, without question.

You can claim everyone is in on this conspiracy, but that is simply groundless accusation. In this wonderful world of yours, the only credible person is yourself and people that happen to share your opinion. That alone makes anything you say rather dubious, since we are required to take YOUR word as evidence, despite our evidence never meeting your impossible standard. We have posted photographs and videos and detailed explanations on how Hiroshima couldn't have possibly been firebombed; we've given you an eye witness account, we've given you links to footage, what could possibly satisfy your theory? It is simply not possible to disprove anything when your cynicism makes EVERY last bit of evidence invalid or questionable.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on April 08, 2010, 08:40:48 AM
I'm just dying to know where everyone is getting all of the information.  I've seen 1 link to 1 eyewitness account, which may or may not be a real account of something that actually happened.
The way everyone pitches it, there should be overwhelming evidence of all natures, however most people here just say 'how can you deny it?'
Why do you think WWII was so well filmed anyway?  How do you think stories and pictures were transmitted during the pacific campaign?  It was all supported by the US government.  Do you actually think anything we didn't want the masses to hear about would have actually made it into the papers?

Everyone seems to think the conspiracy has to be bigger than it really is.
It only takes a few government plants, and the media to sell a conspiracy.  You don't need hundreds of eye witnesses, you only need a couple corrupt reporters to 'document' these witnesses.  Sure, there are flag-baring puppets like the eyewitness account linked to previously, but those are clearly not the majority.

My policy stands:  Everything that came out of the US Government circa 1910-present has been the boldest of lies.
If you don't think the people at the top are corrupt, you're just not thinking clearly.
If nuclear weapons didn't exist, pepole would flip the bird to the US and the USSR, and not live in oppressive fear.  That's precisely why I don't think they exist.

I'll play your game Mizzle.

Prove that the eyewitness from the report that Death linked you is somehow representing the Conspiracy and is entirely untrue or can be disqualified. You aren't even capable of demonstrating that the nuclear blast should have killed her outright, without question.

You can claim everyone is in on this conspiracy, but that is simply groundless accusation. We've given you an eye witness account, we've given you links to footage, what could possibly satisfy your theory? It is simply not possible to disprove anything when your cynicism makes EVERY bit of evidence invalid.
I don't seek to either prove or disprove the existence of nuclear weapons.  I say that there is clearly room for conspiracy, whether there is one or not.  I choose to believe there is, and it's unlikely any amount of 'evidence' will change my mind either way.  What I want to know is what exactly everyone is basing their opinions on, other than word of mouth.  Let's be honest, did you read that lady's account, or even know of it, before you posted the link here?  Likely not.  That's my point.  People have all accepted reality, and then only seek out information to account for their predetermined beliefs.  It's likely you believed in nuclear weapons before you were presented with any evidence other than a few videos/pictures and the popular belief that they are real.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Deceiver on April 08, 2010, 08:48:31 AM
I'm just dying to know where everyone is getting all of the information.  I've seen 1 link to 1 eyewitness account, which may or may not be a real account of something that actually happened.
The way everyone pitches it, there should be overwhelming evidence of all natures, however most people here just say 'how can you deny it?'
Why do you think WWII was so well filmed anyway?  How do you think stories and pictures were transmitted during the pacific campaign?  It was all supported by the US government.  Do you actually think anything we didn't want the masses to hear about would have actually made it into the papers?

Everyone seems to think the conspiracy has to be bigger than it really is.
It only takes a few government plants, and the media to sell a conspiracy.  You don't need hundreds of eye witnesses, you only need a couple corrupt reporters to 'document' these witnesses.  Sure, there are flag-baring puppets like the eyewitness account linked to previously, but those are clearly not the majority.

My policy stands:  Everything that came out of the US Government circa 1910-present has been the boldest of lies.
If you don't think the people at the top are corrupt, you're just not thinking clearly.
If nuclear weapons didn't exist, pepole would flip the bird to the US and the USSR, and not live in oppressive fear.  That's precisely why I don't think they exist.

I'll play your game Mizzle.

Prove that the eyewitness from the report that Death linked you is somehow representing the Conspiracy and is entirely untrue or can be disqualified. You aren't even capable of demonstrating that the nuclear blast should have killed her outright, without question.

You can claim everyone is in on this conspiracy, but that is simply groundless accusation. We've given you an eye witness account, we've given you links to footage, what could possibly satisfy your theory? It is simply not possible to disprove anything when your cynicism makes EVERY bit of evidence invalid.
I don't seek to either prove or disprove the existence of nuclear weapons.  I say that there is clearly room for conspiracy, whether there is one or not.  I choose to believe there is, and it's unlikely any amount of 'evidence' will change my mind either way.  What I want to know is what exactly everyone is basing their opinions on, other than word of mouth.  Let's be honest, did you read that lady's account, or even know of it, before you posted the link here?  Likely not.  That's my point.  People have all accepted reality, and then only seek out information to account for their predetermined beliefs.  It's likely you believed in nuclear weapons before you were presented with any evidence other than a few videos/pictures and the popular belief that they are real.

In all fairness, I have remarkably more important things to do than prove or disprove every single statement that anyone has ever made in human history. To assume that such things are questionable when there are so many lines of evidence that support them (working nuclear power plants, photon shadows from blasts, eye witnesses, higher cancer rates in these zones, etc etc) is not simply foolish but downright stupidity. Claiming conspiracy when there is no evidence to support it -- beyond someone having an agenda -- is a copout, and always will be. It is clear that motives trump any and all real evidence in your world, despite no evidence proving that there is in fact a conspiracy.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on April 08, 2010, 09:16:13 AM
While I don't disagree with your position on the matter, you didn't answer my question of whether or not you knew of this account before you bothered to look it up.
I consider the track records of lying and deceit enough evidence to make this type of propaganda possible.  If you think the former USSR and Russia are honest, non-manipulating entities, then good for you.  If you think you can believe everything the US government tells you, then good for you.
I know complete and utter bullshit when I see it.  Just because I don't have the resources to dig up evidence to the conspiracy doesn't mean it's not there.
If you want a great example of lies and deceit, just look at what's going on in Greece right now with their little financial crisis.  Governments lie, cheat, and steal to get what they want.  Always have, always will.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Deceiver on April 08, 2010, 09:25:01 AM
While I don't disagree with your position on the matter, you didn't answer my question of whether or not you knew of this account before you bothered to look it up.
I consider the track records of lying and deceit enough evidence to make this type of propaganda possible.  If you think the former USSR and Russia are honest, non-manipulating entities, then good for you.  If you think you can believe everything the US government tells you, then good for you.
I know complete and utter bullshit when I see it.  Just because I don't have the resources to dig up evidence to the conspiracy doesn't mean it's not there.
If you want a great example of lies and deceit, just look at what's going on in Greece right now with their little financial crisis.  Governments lie, cheat, and steal to get what they want.  Always have, always will.

Death is the one who linked the woman's article. I've never read her account prior to when he posted it. However, I have read and seen plenty of other accounts that are similar to hers.

Your reasoning is flawed from the beginning. I have no problem admitting that governments sometimes hide or downplay things. The line that I draw however, is how far they are willing to go to deceive the public. You draw upon one single line of 'evidence' -- conspiracy motive -- rational people do not and require stricter standards. Nuclear weapons are feasible for many many reasons. The concept of how the bomb works in addition to the nuclear physics is mathematically sound (I'm not going to argue phd level physics with someone who doesn't even have a bs), there are abundant eye witnesses that travel around today, we have footage, seismic data, residual radiation, and whatever else from the scientific and private sectors. To say that the government can fool every last person in the public (minus 100 people worldwide) and maintain this lie for decades is pushing for too much. Not to mention that the Cold War ended decades ago, and China, who has less than amiable relations with us, hasn't exposed the US to the international community is absurd. Plus every other country that has a beef against the US or Russia -- it would be public knowledge at this point.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Death-T on April 08, 2010, 09:40:19 AM
While I don't disagree with your position on the matter, you didn't answer my question of whether or not you knew of this account before you bothered to look it up.
I consider the track records of lying and deceit enough evidence to make this type of propaganda possible.  If you think the former USSR and Russia are honest, non-manipulating entities, then good for you.  If you think you can believe everything the US government tells you, then good for you.
I know complete and utter bullshit when I see it.  Just because I don't have the resources to dig up evidence to the conspiracy doesn't mean it's not there.
If you want a great example of lies and deceit, just look at what's going on in Greece right now with their little financial crisis.  Governments lie, cheat, and steal to get what they want.  Always have, always will.

That doesn't mean they would invent a weapons system for no good reason.


Lets just say the nuclear weapons and the surrounding tech from it doesn't exist -

1 - That means the US and the Soviet have faced off in several matters that have claimed lives for no apparent reason.

2 - That the "nuclear club" of the world have come to an understanding by all saying they have nukes and frequently show off dummy missiles, facilities, and personal - all of which costs a lot of money... for no real purpose then misiformation.

3 - They invented this weapon system... why? Certainly not to cover a regular bombing of two cities - that serves no point beyond trying to make yourself look more powerfully and then makes that purpose impotent when someone else claims to have the weapon and can replicate and outdue your own fake weapon's yield. Why keep it up?

4 - The US is willing allowing rouge nations that claim now to have nukes a bargaining chip for a weapon they don't have. Why keep the charade up? It serves no real purpose and keeps putting you in needless confrontations and bargaining tables.

5 - Would it not be better if the USSR proved that the US didn't invent the "bomb" by exposing them? They could have - they had spies throughtout the Manhatten project, which is why they got the bomb so quickly. Why say that you also have the fake weapon, when you can expose the US as a fraud (gaining a political victory in the Cold War) and then not have to spend piles of money continuing the charade?

6 - The Japanese had suffered many bombing radis beforehand and had seen Tokyo itself burn before its eyes. Why would a regular bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki suddenly make them want to surrender if it wasn't something special? They had already been adament about standing firm before the US invasion by militarizing the coastline with bunkers and even concealed landingstrips in the side of cliffs for aircraft? Why give up if your reserve had hold up to this point unblinkingly? Seemingly that means in your scenario - that means that, for whatever reason, the Japanese suddenly decided to give up and endorsed a secret messgase from the US and said a new and terrible weapon had been unleashed.... why?

Being able to determine motive is a critical foundation to any conspiracy theory.... your's is severely lacking.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on April 08, 2010, 09:44:08 AM

Death is the one who linked the woman's article. I've never read her account prior to when he posted it. However, I have read and seen plenty of other accounts that are similar to hers.

Your reasoning is flawed from the beginning. I have no problem admitting that governments sometimes hide or downplay things. The line that I draw however, is how far they are willing to go to deceive the public. You draw upon one single line of 'evidence' -- conspiracy motive -- rational people do not and require stricter standards. Nuclear weapons are feasible for many many reasons. The nuclear physics is mathematically sound (I'm not going to argue phd level physics with someone who doesn't even have a bs), there are abundant eye witnesses that travel around today, we have footage, seismic data, residual radiation, and whatever else from the scientific and private sectors. To say that the government can fool every last person in the public (minus 100 people worldwide) and maintain this lie for decades is pushing for too much. Not to mention that the Cold War ended decades ago, and China, who has less than amiable relations with us, hasn't exposed the US is absurd. Plus every other country that has a beef against the US or Russia -- it would be public knowledge at this point.

Holy crap...
"The nuclear physics is mathematically sound (I'm not going to argue phd level physics with someone who doesn't even have a bs), there are abundant eye witnesses that travel around today, we have footage, seismic data, residual radiation, and whatever else from the scientific and private sectors. "

What seismic data?  That's what I'm talking about.  Where did you get this information, and was it third party or first?  I demand to know about this seismic data that exists.  I have heard this many times already, and NOTHING has been presented to support such 'evidence' even exists.
You are just pandering, not presenting.
How do you know the mathematics for the nuclear weapons is solid?  Have you worked out these equations yourself?  This type of statement requires these considerations.  Additionally, just because something is possible on paper, doesn't mean it's possible in practice.
Residual radiation?  Has this been indepenedently verified, and where are your sources?
Additionally, I only want to know about information that was presented to you before you posted this last statement, including these 'eyewitness accounts.'

I don't believe in collective wisdome anymore.  I need verifiable fact.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on April 08, 2010, 09:57:33 AM

That doesn't mean they would invent a weapons system for no good reason.

1 - That means the US and the Soviet have faced off in several matters that have claimed lives for no apparent reason.

2 - That the "nuclear club" of the world have come to an understanding by all saying they have nukes and frequently show off dummy missiles, facilities, and personal - all of which costs a lot of money... for no real purpose then misiformation.

3 - They invented this weapon system... why? Certainly not to cover a regular bombing of two cities - that serves no point beyond trying to make yourself look more powerfully and then makes that purpose impotent when someone else claims to have the weapon and can replicate and outdue your own fake weapon's yield. Why keep it up?

4 - The US is willing allowing rouge nations that claim now to have nukes a bargaining chip for a weapon they don't have. Why keep the charade up? It serves no real purpose and keeps putting you in needless confrontations and bargaining tables.

5 - Would it not be better if the USSR proved that the US didn't invent the "bomb" by exposing them? They could have - they had spies throughtout the Manhatten project, which is why they got the bomb so quickly. Why say that you also have the fake weapon, when you can expose the US as a fraud (gaining a political victory in the Cold War) and then not have to spend piles of money continuing the charade?

6 - The Japanese had suffered many bombing radis beforehand and had seen Tokyo itself burn before its eyes. Why would a regular bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki suddenly make them want to surrender if it wasn't something special? They had already been adament about standing firm before the US invasion by militarizing the coastline with bunkers and even concealed landingstrips in the side of cliffs for aircraft? Why give up if your reserve had hold up to this point unblinkingly? Seemingly that means in your scenario - that means that, for whatever reason, the Japanese suddenly decided to give up and endorsed a secret messgase from the US and said a new and terrible weapon had been unleashed.... why?

Being able to determine motive is a critical foundation to any conspiracy theory.... your's is severely lacking.
1 - They have faced off for no apparent reason other than 'stopping the spread of communism.'  Is communism really so bad we waged war in various lesser nations throughout history?  The reasoning for stopping the spread of communism isn't apparent to me.
2 - All costs a lot of money?  Well, where does government get it's taxes from?  The people.  It's not like it's spending it's own money.  The people in power will spend as much as necessary to maintain every lie they've told.  Why wouldn't they?
3 - Why keep it up?  Oppression through fear.
4 - What rogue nations?  You mean, North Korea, who's in China's pocket?  China, who's in Russia's pocket?  In fact, no rogue nations have nukes.  Pawns of super powers are allowed to have them to protect the interests of the super powers abroad.
5 - Would it have been better is very subjective, but no.  Wouldn't it have been better if we didn't fight in Vietnam and Korea?  Wouldn't it have been better if we just stayed the hell out of WWI and WWII in the first place?  Either way, if there is an agreement, if one side exposes the other side, both ends lose control over the weapons that don't exist, because each side could make the same exact claims.  As far as spies go, you watch too many movies.  And again, it's not the government's money to spend in the first place, why the hell do they care how much they spend?  That's right, they don't.
6 - Why would the Japanese just suddenly give up?  Perhaps they realized there would be no ground invasion, and the US was just going to fire-bomb them into oblivion.  We obviously showed no remorse for civilian casualties throughout the entire course of the war.  They probably realized we were willing to completely exterminate them if they didn't throw in the towel.  When you realize that your enemy is out for the lust of blood and has the undeniable capability to finish you off, you quit.  With or without a new type of bomb.  Dead people are dead people.  Japan is infamously shorthanded in the natural resource department, and they very well could have been out of the means to resist.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Deceiver on April 08, 2010, 10:12:36 AM

Death is the one who linked the woman's article. I've never read her account prior to when he posted it. However, I have read and seen plenty of other accounts that are similar to hers.

Your reasoning is flawed from the beginning. I have no problem admitting that governments sometimes hide or downplay things. The line that I draw however, is how far they are willing to go to deceive the public. You draw upon one single line of 'evidence' -- conspiracy motive -- rational people do not and require stricter standards. Nuclear weapons are feasible for many many reasons. The nuclear physics is mathematically sound (I'm not going to argue phd level physics with someone who doesn't even have a bs), there are abundant eye witnesses that travel around today, we have footage, seismic data, residual radiation, and whatever else from the scientific and private sectors. To say that the government can fool every last person in the public (minus 100 people worldwide) and maintain this lie for decades is pushing for too much. Not to mention that the Cold War ended decades ago, and China, who has less than amiable relations with us, hasn't exposed the US is absurd. Plus every other country that has a beef against the US or Russia -- it would be public knowledge at this point.

Holy crap...
"The nuclear physics is mathematically sound (I'm not going to argue phd level physics with someone who doesn't even have a bs), there are abundant eye witnesses that travel around today, we have footage, seismic data, residual radiation, and whatever else from the scientific and private sectors. "

What seismic data?  That's what I'm talking about.  Where did you get this information, and was it third party or first?  I demand to know about this seismic data that exists.  I have heard this many times already, and NOTHING has been presented to support such 'evidence' even exists.
You are just pandering, not presenting.
How do you know the mathematics for the nuclear weapons is solid?  Have you worked out these equations yourself?  This type of statement requires these considerations.  Additionally, just because something is possible on paper, doesn't mean it's possible in practice.
Residual radiation?  Has this been indepenedently verified, and where are your sources?
Additionally, I only want to know about information that was presented to you before you posted this last statement, including these 'eyewitness accounts.'

I don't believe in collective wisdome anymore.  I need verifiable fact.

Okay... I've already mentioned Geiger counters and told you to independently verify the residual radiation thing.

What makes you think that you could differentiate the seismic qualities of a nuclear bomb versus an earthquake? Sorry, I'm not going to waste my time and pull out data that you can't make sense of in the first place. For the same reason, I'm not going to explain Einstein's equations to someone who has poor working knowledge of university level physics or mathematics.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on April 08, 2010, 10:21:14 AM

Death is the one who linked the woman's article. I've never read her account prior to when he posted it. However, I have read and seen plenty of other accounts that are similar to hers.

Your reasoning is flawed from the beginning. I have no problem admitting that governments sometimes hide or downplay things. The line that I draw however, is how far they are willing to go to deceive the public. You draw upon one single line of 'evidence' -- conspiracy motive -- rational people do not and require stricter standards. Nuclear weapons are feasible for many many reasons. The nuclear physics is mathematically sound (I'm not going to argue phd level physics with someone who doesn't even have a bs), there are abundant eye witnesses that travel around today, we have footage, seismic data, residual radiation, and whatever else from the scientific and private sectors. To say that the government can fool every last person in the public (minus 100 people worldwide) and maintain this lie for decades is pushing for too much. Not to mention that the Cold War ended decades ago, and China, who has less than amiable relations with us, hasn't exposed the US is absurd. Plus every other country that has a beef against the US or Russia -- it would be public knowledge at this point.

Holy crap...
"The nuclear physics is mathematically sound (I'm not going to argue phd level physics with someone who doesn't even have a bs), there are abundant eye witnesses that travel around today, we have footage, seismic data, residual radiation, and whatever else from the scientific and private sectors. "

What seismic data?  That's what I'm talking about.  Where did you get this information, and was it third party or first?  I demand to know about this seismic data that exists.  I have heard this many times already, and NOTHING has been presented to support such 'evidence' even exists.
You are just pandering, not presenting.
How do you know the mathematics for the nuclear weapons is solid?  Have you worked out these equations yourself?  This type of statement requires these considerations.  Additionally, just because something is possible on paper, doesn't mean it's possible in practice.
Residual radiation?  Has this been indepenedently verified, and where are your sources?
Additionally, I only want to know about information that was presented to you before you posted this last statement, including these 'eyewitness accounts.'

I don't believe in collective wisdome anymore.  I need verifiable fact.

Okay... I've already mentioned Geiger counters and told you to independently verify the residual radiation thing.

What makes you think that you could differentiate the seismic qualities of a nuclear bomb versus an earthquake? Sorry, I'm not going to waste my time and pull out data that you can't make sense of in the first place. For the same reason, I'm not going to explain Einstein's equations to someone who has poor working knowledge of university level physics or mathematics.
I'm not asking you to prove it to me, I'm curious as to what evidence drew you to these conclusions?  Did you actually see these seismic results, or did you just hear about them in a documentary or by word of mouth?  Did you watch/read any eye witness accounts, or did you just accept that there are some without objectively verifying their existence?  I don't need to you explain any equations to me, I want to know, did you verify the math yourself, or did you just accept them because they are accepted?
I unfortunately don't own a Geiger counter, I just want to know where you're getting your info from.  If you say that you can take measurements there, okay, I will believe you, but first I need to know where you heard that this will work.  Where are the reports and documents substantiating this position?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Deceiver on April 08, 2010, 10:32:37 AM

Death is the one who linked the woman's article. I've never read her account prior to when he posted it. However, I have read and seen plenty of other accounts that are similar to hers.

Your reasoning is flawed from the beginning. I have no problem admitting that governments sometimes hide or downplay things. The line that I draw however, is how far they are willing to go to deceive the public. You draw upon one single line of 'evidence' -- conspiracy motive -- rational people do not and require stricter standards. Nuclear weapons are feasible for many many reasons. The nuclear physics is mathematically sound (I'm not going to argue phd level physics with someone who doesn't even have a bs), there are abundant eye witnesses that travel around today, we have footage, seismic data, residual radiation, and whatever else from the scientific and private sectors. To say that the government can fool every last person in the public (minus 100 people worldwide) and maintain this lie for decades is pushing for too much. Not to mention that the Cold War ended decades ago, and China, who has less than amiable relations with us, hasn't exposed the US is absurd. Plus every other country that has a beef against the US or Russia -- it would be public knowledge at this point.

Holy crap...
"The nuclear physics is mathematically sound (I'm not going to argue phd level physics with someone who doesn't even have a bs), there are abundant eye witnesses that travel around today, we have footage, seismic data, residual radiation, and whatever else from the scientific and private sectors. "

What seismic data?  That's what I'm talking about.  Where did you get this information, and was it third party or first?  I demand to know about this seismic data that exists.  I have heard this many times already, and NOTHING has been presented to support such 'evidence' even exists.
You are just pandering, not presenting.
How do you know the mathematics for the nuclear weapons is solid?  Have you worked out these equations yourself?  This type of statement requires these considerations.  Additionally, just because something is possible on paper, doesn't mean it's possible in practice.
Residual radiation?  Has this been indepenedently verified, and where are your sources?
Additionally, I only want to know about information that was presented to you before you posted this last statement, including these 'eyewitness accounts.'

I don't believe in collective wisdome anymore.  I need verifiable fact.

Okay... I've already mentioned Geiger counters and told you to independently verify the residual radiation thing.

What makes you think that you could differentiate the seismic qualities of a nuclear bomb versus an earthquake? Sorry, I'm not going to waste my time and pull out data that you can't make sense of in the first place. For the same reason, I'm not going to explain Einstein's equations to someone who has poor working knowledge of university level physics or mathematics.
I'm not asking you to prove it to me, I'm curious as to what evidence drew you to these conclusions?  Did you actually see these seismic results, or did you just hear about them in a documentary or by word of mouth?  Did you watch/read any eye witness accounts, or did you just accept that there are some without objectively verifying their existence?  I don't need to you explain any equations to me, I want to know, did you verify the math yourself, or did you just accept them because they are accepted?
I unfortunately don't own a Geiger counter, I just want to know where you're getting your info from.  If you say that you can take measurements there, okay, I will believe you, but first I need to know where you heard that this will work.  Where are the reports and documents substantiating this position?

The geophysics department is right across the hallway. For an undergrad project I had do a fair bit of seismic analysis, so I've actually had the opportunity to examine the data from the thousands of interlinked seismic stations that we monitor. One of the things you have to do is isolate your data. One of the first things you learn is how to separate different seismic events.

Nuclear reactors and test sites are observed almost constantly. Scientists often monitor these sites to see how the environment is coping and what sort of effects long term exposure has to animal life. Go to an academic database and look up Chernobyl or Hiroshima etc. Detailed reports follow.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on April 08, 2010, 10:45:07 AM
I don't doubt your academic abilities or greater knowledge in seismic data interpretation.  I'm curious, did you actually see these Hiroshima reports yourself?  If not, where did you hear of them?
Someone else claimed that many independent seismic observatories around the world registered the Hiroshima and Nagasaki blasts, but failed to link to this information or even reveal where this information was initially given to the individual.
If they exist, they exist.  If it's in a report somewhere you saw offline, and you saw the data from these observatories, that will suffice for me.  I just want to know where this argument is based.  You can't just say 'there are seismic records of the blasts' and offer no truth to the fact.
Again, I only want to know about what convinced you of their existence in the first place.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Deceiver on April 08, 2010, 11:03:31 AM
I don't doubt your academic abilities or greater knowledge in seismic data interpretation.  I'm curious, did you actually see these Hiroshima reports yourself?  If not, where did you hear of them?
Someone else claimed that many independent seismic observatories around the world registered the Hiroshima and Nagasaki blasts, but failed to link to this information or even reveal where this information was initially given to the individual.
If they exist, they exist.  If it's in a report somewhere you saw offline, and you saw the data from these observatories, that will suffice for me.  I just want to know where this argument is based.  You can't just say 'there are seismic records of the blasts' and offer no truth to the fact.
Again, I only want to know about what convinced you of their existence in the first place.

If there were no nuclear bomb detonations, then it follows that a nuclear bomb seismic event would not exist. Since there are in fact unique seismic signatures that coincide only with reported nuclear bomb detonations, a nuclear bomb must have detonated. Even if a country tries to hide nuclear bomb testing from the public, seismologists around the world are the first people to know that testing took place.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Death-T on April 08, 2010, 11:05:42 AM

1 - They have faced off for no apparent reason other than 'stopping the spread of communism.'  Is communism really so bad we waged war in various lesser nations throughout history?  The reasoning for stopping the spread of communism isn't apparent to me.
2 - All costs a lot of money?  Well, where does government get it's taxes from?  The people.  It's not like it's spending it's own money.  The people in power will spend as much as necessary to maintain every lie they've told.  Why wouldn't they?
3 - Why keep it up?  Oppression through fear.
4 - What rogue nations?  You mean, North Korea, who's in China's pocket?  China, who's in Russia's pocket?  In fact, no rogue nations have nukes.  Pawns of super powers are allowed to have them to protect the interests of the super powers abroad.
5 - Would it have been better is very subjective, but no.  Wouldn't it have been better if we didn't fight in Vietnam and Korea?  Wouldn't it have been better if we just stayed the hell out of WWI and WWII in the first place?  Either way, if there is an agreement, if one side exposes the other side, both ends lose control over the weapons that don't exist, because each side could make the same exact claims.  As far as spies go, you watch too many movies.  And again, it's not the government's money to spend in the first place, why the hell do they care how much they spend?  That's right, they don't.
6 - Why would the Japanese just suddenly give up?  Perhaps they realized there would be no ground invasion, and the US was just going to fire-bomb them into oblivion.  We obviously showed no remorse for civilian casualties throughout the entire course of the war.  They probably realized we were willing to completely exterminate them if they didn't throw in the towel.  When you realize that your enemy is out for the lust of blood and has the undeniable capability to finish you off, you quit.  With or without a new type of bomb.  Dead people are dead people.  Japan is infamously shorthanded in the natural resource department, and they very well could have been out of the means to resist.

1 - Actually I was talking about the several instances when we faced of with the Soviet Union in regards of nuclear weapons - such as the Cuban Missile Crisis. Why keep the charade up if it frequently leads to political standoffs and gives no real benefit then a money hole to dump funds in?

2- How does saying you have nuclear weapons to your people give you power? You say it helps them control their populations better - in what way? Its not like they're threatening their own people with them.

3 - See #2. Add-on- What opporession?

4 - OKay.... but what are these interests that can be supported by saying you have nuclear weapons? In modern history - nuclear weapons have only lead to the super powers being vunerable (and therefore - impotent) in terms of fighting a nuclear state becuase they have the option of utterly devastating you. Why keep up the charade, if the dissolution of nuclear weapons actually removes this power from rouge states and takes away their bargaining chip?

5 - This was your funniest response in my mind. Losing the weapon hardly matters when you don't already have it (USSR right after WW2) and presents an excellent opportunity to humilate your former allies. And the rest of your "argument" is that governments don't care what they spend on.... wow. Great reason... the government feels the need to spend billions to both support the nuclear arvims it has but to have a conspiracy so that everyone thiks it has.... all so it can get in fake fights with other super powers and have rouge nations get a fake bargaining chip so as to weaken its own foreign policy. Great reasoning- top notch stuff.

"As far as spies go, you watch too many movies." - Okay.... not a real reason to countradict the infiltration of the Manhatten Project, but I guess you had to say something. I also find it funny that you believe the world is working together to keep an imaginary weapon system real in the public's eyes... and yet you smirk upon spying activities.... unusual.

6 - The Japanese were well aware that the US wasn't just going to "fire-bomb" them away - no war has ended like that. Thats why we had to invade Germany to end the war - no matter how much we bombed them, they refused to give in until the Russians completely took over Berlin. The Japanese had even more radical mindset and commonly used suicide tactic the even the Waffen SS would a balked at. The fact is, before the nuclear bombs were droped, there was already a significant plan in place to invade Japan by US forces - Operation Downfall.

Japan was a determined and fanatical enemy that used suicide tactics, often charged well fortified lines when defeat was unavoidable, and killed themselves instead of surrender - unless we had used a toally new and devastating weapon to terrify the Japanese hogh command to call for surrender - we would have to invade much in the same way we had to invade the German homeland to end the war. You severely underestimate the guile and fatalism of a determined enemy... that and the fact that had withstood withering bombing before and remain firm. Hell, they built defenses, bunkers, and arifields in the side of cliffs all over the coastline before the bombs were dropper - hardly the mindset of a defeated enemy seeking peace.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: 17 November on April 08, 2010, 07:57:35 PM
Alright, I'll go ahead and just bite into this topic then. The explosion in Hiroshima was ... the damage done by the bombs wasn't of burning

If you are going to contribute, then state something other than outright lies.  As Tom Bishop stated much earlier in this thread, the chief destruction in Hiroshima was wooden civilian housing which was indeed burned.  

If you want a more authoritative source for a refutation of your ill informed declarations, then know that your statements blatantly contradict the official reports of the US Army's Chief Investigator - Major deSeversky whose personal responsibility was the inspection and analysis of all the war bombed cities of Japan including Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo, et cetera.  

I do not know whether deSeversky's report on Hiroshima and Nagasaki is online, but anyone who is not too lazy can venture to a library and read the public appearance of his first hand analysis which appeared in the February 1946 issue of 'Reader's Digest' under the title 'Atomic Hysteria.'
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on April 08, 2010, 08:03:42 PM
Just curious 17, but what do you think about the movie Day One?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mykael on April 08, 2010, 09:26:15 PM
This thread is lol.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: parsec on April 08, 2010, 10:37:53 PM
This thread is lol.
It is.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: 17 November on April 08, 2010, 11:01:27 PM
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin
Just curious 17, but what do you think about the movie Day One?

I have not seen the movie nor intend to since it is false because its underlying purpose is the maintenance of a myth and the scientific and war propaganda that accompanied it.  Movies are especially used for propaganda because they do not have to conform to facts.  This particular one seems to go out of its way to precisely imitate every detail including the already widespread myth of nuclear bombs. 

It reminds me of the movie Malcolm X which is historically accurate for the most part including its portrayal of the FBI's enmity with Malcolm X and the hidden character of their operations, but its bias is revealed in its very one sided negative portrayal of Elijah Muhammed and the Nation of Islam whom the movie effectively blames for both the burning of Malcolm's house and his death - rather than the FBI!  Thus are movies used to twist facts and manipulate opinions.

The history of the Manhattan Project can be interesting, but the official version must be put to the torch.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on April 09, 2010, 12:59:47 AM
I don't doubt your academic abilities or greater knowledge in seismic data interpretation.  I'm curious, did you actually
If there were no nuclear bomb detonations, then it follows that a nuclear bomb seismic event would not exist. Since there are in fact unique seismic signatures that coincide only with reported nuclear bomb detonations, a nuclear bomb must have detonated. Even if a country tries to hide nuclear bomb testing from the public, seismologists around the world are the first people to know that testing took place.
So, it's safe to say you haven't actually ever seen this evidence, you know it 'must exist.'

To Death:
If a government has these ulimate weapons, people will fear them.  The Cuban Missile Crisis was designed to keep the US and Russia scared of impending nuclear war.  While you're just thankful to be alive, you readily hand over personal liberty for 'security.'  See:  9/11
Why wouldn't the Soviets just debunk the fake bombs right after WWII?  Perhaps they felt it advantageous to collaborate.  The Soviet government was abusive and subversive.  If they could manipulate the population, they would.  Clearly, if they wanted a bigger piece of the pie (WWII spoils), they could easily use debunked nukes as a great bargaining chip.

Anyway, I'm still waiting on these seismic readings everyone keeps talking about.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: 17 November on April 09, 2010, 02:26:05 AM
Quote from: Mizzle
The Cuban Missile Crisis was designed to keep the US and Russia scared of impending nuclear war.  While you're just thankful to be alive, you readily hand over personal liberty for 'security.' 

...

Why wouldn't the Soviets just debunk the fake bombs right after WWII?  Perhaps they felt it advantageous to collaborate.  The Soviet government was abusive and subversive.  If they could manipulate the population, they would.  Clearly, if they wanted a bigger piece of the pie (WWII spoils), they could easily use debunked nukes as a great bargaining chip.

The capitalist leaders of Stalinist Russia were class allies and partners of the capitalist leaders of the west just like their Romanov predecessors.   

State Capitalism in Russia
By Ygal Cluckstein (Tony Cliff)
http://www.marxists.org/archive/cliff/works/1955/statecap/index.htm

The west supplied the capitalist Soviet Union with its technology. Among other books, this is also described in

Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development.
By Antony Sutton
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Site:LRP:Western_Technology_&_Soviet_Economic_Development

The control of a small elite and secret group or secret society over both education and the flow of information pertaining to engineering in the United States is described in the classic expose of the engineering industry:

'America by Design'
By David Noble
http://www.amazon.com/America-Design-Technology-Corporate-Capitalism/dp/0195026187/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1270804614&sr=1-3

Russia's entire space program was debunked back in the 1960's by Lloyd Malian in his book

'Russia's Space Hoax:  Documented Proof That the Soviet Space Program Has Been Faked'
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Death-T on April 09, 2010, 06:45:06 AM
I don't doubt your academic abilities or greater knowledge in seismic data interpretation.  I'm curious, did you actually
If there were no nuclear bomb detonations, then it follows that a nuclear bomb seismic event would not exist. Since there are in fact unique seismic signatures that coincide only with reported nuclear bomb detonations, a nuclear bomb must have detonated. Even if a country tries to hide nuclear bomb testing from the public, seismologists around the world are the first people to know that testing took place.
So, it's safe to say you haven't actually ever seen this evidence, you know it 'must exist.'

To Death:
If a government has these ulimate weapons, people will fear them.  The Cuban Missile Crisis was designed to keep the US and Russia scared of impending nuclear war.  While you're just thankful to be alive, you readily hand over personal liberty for 'security.'  See:  9/11
Why wouldn't the Soviets just debunk the fake bombs right after WWII?  Perhaps they felt it advantageous to collaborate.  The Soviet government was abusive and subversive.  If they could manipulate the population, they would.  Clearly, if they wanted a bigger piece of the pie (WWII spoils), they could easily use debunked nukes as a great bargaining chip.

Anyway, I'm still waiting on these seismic readings everyone keeps talking about.

/sign/
How did having your government and another locked in a fake fight help them control their populations better? All you said was "theyz would be afraid!" Why would the US gov. need their people to be afriad? They had a good bit of power and I'm pretty sure that shelling out the billions of dollars to keep only the "fake" nuclear arms was not exactly a cost effective method to get your people to listen to you better..... when all you basically said was "Fear the reds, build a bomb shelter, and build more missiles." What personal liberties did we personally give up? All you gave is vague assertion that we somehow became puppets to them.

"Perhaps they felt it advantageous to collaborate."
- WHY? They already had total control over their people! They told them basically everything they were going to do in life and an effective method of propoganda was in place. Why get get yourself into a fake war that would ultimately bankrupt your regime... if the alternate ends with the US & Japan embrassed, no WMDs to stop your tanks from rolling over Europe (see deterance), and eliminates the possiblity of rouge states getting a fake bargaining chip that you must accept or blow the lid of the conspiracy?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Deceiver on April 09, 2010, 07:08:23 AM
I don't doubt your academic abilities or greater knowledge in seismic data interpretation.  I'm curious, did you actually
If there were no nuclear bomb detonations, then it follows that a nuclear bomb seismic event would not exist. Since there are in fact unique seismic signatures that coincide only with reported nuclear bomb detonations, a nuclear bomb must have detonated. Even if a country tries to hide nuclear bomb testing from the public, seismologists around the world are the first people to know that testing took place.
So, it's safe to say you haven't actually ever seen this evidence, you know it 'must exist.'

To Death:
If a government has these ulimate weapons, people will fear them.  The Cuban Missile Crisis was designed to keep the US and Russia scared of impending nuclear war.  While you're just thankful to be alive, you readily hand over personal liberty for 'security.'  See:  9/11
Why wouldn't the Soviets just debunk the fake bombs right after WWII?  Perhaps they felt it advantageous to collaborate.  The Soviet government was abusive and subversive.  If they could manipulate the population, they would.  Clearly, if they wanted a bigger piece of the pie (WWII spoils), they could easily use debunked nukes as a great bargaining chip.

Anyway, I'm still waiting on these seismic readings everyone keeps talking about.

I'll be as clear as day:
Yes, I have seen nuclear bomb seismic events. There you go! No interpretation necessary -- I HAVE SEEN THESE ANOMALIES! And I've already told you, you couldn't make heads or tails of them if you wanted. You might be able to find an article specifically detailing and simplifiying how these seismic events are different from others, but best of luck on that -- you're going to have to draw up a graph using the raw data yourself and compare various seismic happenings and travel times if you want it to be THAT obvious. But just seeing different sets of graphs won't be enough. You will also need a pretty solid working knowledge of plate tectonics to have any idea what the pretty lines actually mean. But here's a free lesson to make this endeavor easier for you:

Earthquakes don't happen everywhere on the globe, and for good reason. They very, very rarely happen on the surface of the earth. Tracking the seismic waves of earthquakes backwards always leads us to several, if not tens of kilometers below the surface(depending on the type of fault or plate boundary). Unless you're digging a pit for decades AND can somehow manufacture a drillbit that is able to survive for any length of time, you will never get anywhere close to where the hypocenter is. Nuclear bomb detonations simply cannot be simulated by any other type of phenomenon or human device.

Here is an article talking about radiation and nuclear seismicity.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/27/how-experts-learn-the-secrets-of-north-koreas-nuclear-bomb-test/
"The region has little natural seismic activity, and experts noted that the waves didn’t match patterns produced by earthquakes."
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: malashenko on April 09, 2010, 02:47:34 PM
Quote from: Mizzle
The Cuban Missile Crisis was designed to keep the US and Russia scared of impending nuclear war.  While you're just thankful to be alive, you readily hand over personal liberty for 'security.' 

...

Why wouldn't the Soviets just debunk the fake bombs right after WWII?  Perhaps they felt it advantageous to collaborate.  The Soviet government was abusive and subversive.  If they could manipulate the population, they would.  Clearly, if they wanted a bigger piece of the pie (WWII spoils), they could easily use debunked nukes as a great bargaining chip.

The capitalist leaders of Stalinist Russia were class allies and partners of the capitalist leaders of the west just like their Romanov predecessors.   

State Capitalism in Russia
By Ygal Cluckstein (Tony Cliff)
http://www.marxists.org/archive/cliff/works/1955/statecap/index.htm

The west supplied the capitalist Soviet Union with its technology. Among other books, this is also described in

Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development.
By Antony Sutton
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Site:LRP:Western_Technology_&_Soviet_Economic_Development

The control of a small elite and secret group or secret society over both education and the flow of information pertaining to engineering in the United States is described in the classic expose of the engineering industry:

'America by Design'
By David Noble
http://www.amazon.com/America-Design-Technology-Corporate-Capitalism/dp/0195026187/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1270804614&sr=1-3

Russia's entire space program was debunked back in the 1960's by Lloyd Malian in his book

'Russia's Space Hoax:  Documented Proof That the Soviet Space Program Has Been Faked'

Wow, so now not only are nuclear weapons fake, but so is the USSR's space program... You have to be one tin-hat wearing crazy ass conspiracy theorist to believe that. The USSR and US were not friendly at all, and besides, why does worldwide science and geopolitics back up the existence of nuclear weaponry? Is there any reason at all nuclear weapons CANT exist? You seem to be arguing that there's a possibility of them not existing, but you can't prove they don't or can't, and since you're questioning the status quo the burden of proof is on you.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on April 10, 2010, 02:09:02 AM

I'll be as clear as day:
Yes, I have seen nuclear bomb seismic events. There you go! No interpretation necessary -- I HAVE SEEN THESE ANOMALIES! And I've already told you, you couldn't make heads or tails of them if you wanted. You might be able to find an article specifically detailing and simplifiying how these seismic events are different from others, but best of luck on that -- you're going to have to draw up a graph using the raw data yourself and compare various seismic happenings and travel times if you want it to be THAT obvious. But just seeing different sets of graphs won't be enough. You will also need a pretty solid working knowledge of plate tectonics to have any idea what the pretty lines actually mean. But here's a free lesson to make this endeavor easier for you:

Earthquakes don't happen everywhere on the globe, and for good reason. They very, very rarely happen on the surface of the earth. Tracking the seismic waves of earthquakes backwards always leads us to several, if not tens of kilometers below the surface(depending on the type of fault or plate boundary). Unless you're digging a pit for decades AND can somehow manufacture a drillbit that is able to survive for any length of time, you will never get anywhere close to where the hypocenter is. Nuclear bomb detonations simply cannot be simulated by any other type of phenomenon or human device.

Here is an article talking about radiation and nuclear seismicity.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/27/how-experts-learn-the-secrets-of-north-koreas-nuclear-bomb-test/
"The region has little natural seismic activity, and experts noted that the waves didn’t match patterns produced by earthquakes."
So, the north korean nuke article you linked to was supposed to be less than 1/3 the amount of energy of the Hiroshima bomb?  Not believable.  60 years later, with all of the information on how the bomb is supposed to work, and they can't produce one?  This is on top of the fact that, the US in less than 5 years built the bombs and used them in combat.  Very, very unlikely.
Of course, like the article says, it's impossible to know how large of a seismic event explosion should render without knowing the local geographic composition of the earth that surrounds it.  Given the very shallow depth of underground nuclear testing, they should be very undetectable over great distances.
Additionally, the detectability of these events could be increased/decreased intentionally given the depth/structure of the earth in which the test were performed.
It's unlikely that the US and Russian governments would have chosen test sites detectable by seismic anomalies unless:
a)  They wanted people to know where their top secret weapons were being tested (not likely)
b)  The tests weren't really nuclear bombs, and were in fact explosions of much less magnitude in much more accommodating seismic environments (more likely).

To Death:
Fear leads to the necessity of 'security.'  The more a population needs 'security,' the more accepting of abusive governmental powers it will be.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Deceiver on April 10, 2010, 07:43:27 AM

I'll be as clear as day:
Yes, I have seen nuclear bomb seismic events. There you go! No interpretation necessary -- I HAVE SEEN THESE ANOMALIES! And I've already told you, you couldn't make heads or tails of them if you wanted. You might be able to find an article specifically detailing and simplifiying how these seismic events are different from others, but best of luck on that -- you're going to have to draw up a graph using the raw data yourself and compare various seismic happenings and travel times if you want it to be THAT obvious. But just seeing different sets of graphs won't be enough. You will also need a pretty solid working knowledge of plate tectonics to have any idea what the pretty lines actually mean. But here's a free lesson to make this endeavor easier for you:

Earthquakes don't happen everywhere on the globe, and for good reason. They very, very rarely happen on the surface of the earth. Tracking the seismic waves of earthquakes backwards always leads us to several, if not tens of kilometers below the surface(depending on the type of fault or plate boundary). Unless you're digging a pit for decades AND can somehow manufacture a drillbit that is able to survive for any length of time, you will never get anywhere close to where the hypocenter is. Nuclear bomb detonations simply cannot be simulated by any other type of phenomenon or human device.

Here is an article talking about radiation and nuclear seismicity.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/27/how-experts-learn-the-secrets-of-north-koreas-nuclear-bomb-test/
"The region has little natural seismic activity, and experts noted that the waves didn’t match patterns produced by earthquakes."
So, the north korean nuke article you linked to was supposed to be less than 1/3 the amount of energy of the Hiroshima bomb?  Not believable.  60 years later, with all of the information on how the bomb is supposed to work, and they can't produce one?  This is on top of the fact that, the US in less than 5 years built the bombs and used them in combat.  Very, very unlikely.
Of course, like the article says, it's impossible to know how large of a seismic event explosion should render without knowing the local geographic composition of the earth that surrounds it.  Given the very shallow depth of underground nuclear testing, they should be very undetectable over great distances.
Additionally, the detectability of these events could be increased/decreased intentionally given the depth/structure of the earth in which the test were performed.
It's unlikely that the US and Russian governments would have chosen test sites detectable by seismic anomalies unless:
a)  They wanted people to know where their top secret weapons were being tested (not likely)
b)  The tests weren't really nuclear bombs, and were in fact explosions of much less magnitude in much more accommodating seismic environments (more likely).

To Death:
Fear leads to the necessity of 'security.'  The more a population needs 'security,' the more accepting of abusive governmental powers it will be.

Since you clearly show zero understanding of seismics and basic geology, I won't belabor those points further. However, I will attempt to clarify this one last time. Earthquakes happen at depth. Bombs happen on the surface. Both produce seismic waves. By tracing it to the surface, we can tell that is was not an earthquake. Given the magnitude and duration of seismic activity, we can conclude with a great deal of certainty what the basic properties of the event were, whether it was an earthquake, a nuclear bomb, a firebomb raid, or just a really powerful missile.

You can't just go out and make a bomb even if you were handed a blueprint. The bomb was likely less powerful because their enrichment techniques aren't up to snuff. There is a good reason the vast majority of the world doesn't have nuclear technology

a) countries don't just handout bomb and manufacturing techniques, even to allies
b) it requires tons of research and tons of money, which most countries still don't have, Korea included.

Despite the fact that everyone knows the basic concept behind the wheel, some fortunate people have precision lasers at their disposal, others just have their two bare hands and a pile of rocks. Deceiver out -- I'm done with this thread.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on April 10, 2010, 08:32:58 AM
Again, it's impossible to know how big an explosion is without knowing the composition of the earth.
Their enrichment processes and capabilities should be far more advanced than what the US government did OVER 70 YEARS AGO FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER in a period of just a few years.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: 17 November on April 11, 2010, 05:40:38 PM
Quote from: malashenko
Is there any reason at all nuclear weapons CANT exist? You seem to be arguing that there's a possibility of them not existing

First of all, these weapons are not nuclear because atoms do not exist.  The modern atomic myth (a twentieth century myth primarily manufactured by Lord Rutherford) was debunked by Dewey Larson in his book:

'The Case Against the Atom'
http://www.reciprocalsystem.com/cana/index.htm


It is also physically impossible for bombs to disintegrate entire cities.  This fact is evident in Major deSeversky's February 1946 Readers' Digest article when he states that the bomb which struck Hiroshima in August 1945 could completely destroy only a small area if detonated close to the ground.  Although the bomb would affect a larger area if detonated from a higher altitude, the destruction caused to each unit of ground would be less extensive from a higher altitude.  Thus, THERE IS A PHYSICAL LIMIT TO THE AMOUNT OF DESTRUCTION WHICH A SINGLE BOMB CAN ACCOMPLISH - reguardless of the lies of news men and psudo-scientists who never came within 5000 miles of Japan.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: parsec on April 11, 2010, 07:05:27 PM
The modern atomic myth (a twentieth century myth primarily manufactured by Lord Rutherford) was debunked by Dewey Larson in his book:

'The Case Against the Atom'
http://www.reciprocalsystem.com/cana/index.htm
tl;dr
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Benjamin Franklin on April 11, 2010, 07:08:40 PM
Although the bomb would affect a larger area if detonated from a higher altitude, the destruction caused to each unit of ground would be less extensive from a higher altitude. Thus, THERE IS A PHYSICAL LIMIT TO THE AMOUNT OF DESTRUCTION WHICH A SINGLE BOMB CAN ACCOMPLISH - reguardless of the lies of news men and psudo-scientists who never came within 5000 miles of Japan.
Unless, of course, you had a bomb with a bigger blast radius. Then it would be capable of the same amount of destruction, in a bigger area.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mykael on April 11, 2010, 08:43:20 PM
It is also physically impossible for bombs to disintegrate entire cities.  This fact is evident in Major deSeversky's February 1946 Readers' Digest article when he states that the bomb which struck Hiroshima in August 1945 could completely destroy only a small area if detonated close to the ground.  Although the bomb would affect a larger area if detonated from a higher altitude, the destruction caused to each unit of ground would be less extensive from a higher altitude.  Thus, THERE IS A PHYSICAL LIMIT TO THE AMOUNT OF DESTRUCTION WHICH A SINGLE BOMB CAN ACCOMPLISH - reguardless of the lies of news men and psudo-scientists who never came within 5000 miles of Japan.
(http://steynian.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/tsar-bomba-mushroom-cloud.jpg)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: EireEngineer on April 11, 2010, 10:03:23 PM
Quote from: malashenko
Is there any reason at all nuclear weapons CANT exist? You seem to be arguing that there's a possibility of them not existing

First of all, these weapons are not nuclear because atoms do not exist.  The modern atomic myth (a twentieth century myth primarily manufactured by Lord Rutherford) was debunked by Dewey Larson in his book:

'The Case Against the Atom'
http://www.reciprocalsystem.com/cana/index.htm


It is also physically impossible for bombs to disintegrate entire cities.  This fact is evident in Major deSeversky's February 1946 Readers' Digest article when he states that the bomb which struck Hiroshima in August 1945 could completely destroy only a small area if detonated close to the ground.  Although the bomb would affect a larger area if detonated from a higher altitude, the destruction caused to each unit of ground would be less extensive from a higher altitude.  Thus, THERE IS A PHYSICAL LIMIT TO THE AMOUNT OF DESTRUCTION WHICH A SINGLE BOMB CAN ACCOMPLISH - reguardless of the lies of news men and psudo-scientists who never came within 5000 miles of Japan.
If atoms do not exist, kindly explain to me how the Field Effect Transistor and the Tunnel Diode can possibly operate, not to mention all of modern chemistry?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Lord Xenu on April 12, 2010, 12:22:24 AM
Don't you think that anyone saw the immense mushroom cloud?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mykael on April 12, 2010, 01:02:14 AM
If nuclear bombs do not exist, then how does one explain the 40-mile high hole that got punched in the atmosphere above the Russian archipelago of Novaya Zemlya on October 30, 1961? Or the mass shattering of windows in Sweden, also on that day?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: 17 November on April 12, 2010, 01:18:21 AM
Quote from: EireEngineer
If atoms do not exist, kindly explain to me ... all of modern chemistry?

If you really want to understand chemistry (in depth) from the viewpoint that atoms do not exist (as in not at all), then I suggest you look into the work of Pierre Duhem. 
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Raist on April 13, 2010, 12:24:41 AM
Epicureanism begs to differ.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on April 13, 2010, 03:36:26 AM
If nuclear bombs do not exist, then how does one explain the 40-mile high hole that got punched in the atmosphere above the Russian archipelago of Novaya Zemlya on October 30, 1961? Or the mass shattering of windows in Sweden, also on that day?

I'd like to see some references to these claims.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mykael on April 13, 2010, 07:22:46 AM
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Russia/TsarBomba.html (http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Russia/TsarBomba.html)
http://www.vce.com/tsar.html (http://www.vce.com/tsar.html)
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Russia/Tsarbmb.jpg (http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Russia/Tsarbmb.jpg)
http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Novaya_Zemlya_testing_map.png&imgrefurl=http://wikimapia.org/53541/Sukhoy-Nos-nuclear-testing-site&usg=__xW6msww0luem6HiU4T5ZIeMRg4U=&h=1692&w=1152&sz=2327&hl=en&start=11&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=a4DjOofNzgzAeM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=102&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtsar%2Bbomba%2Bcrater%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26tbs%3Disch:1 (http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Novaya_Zemlya_testing_map.png&imgrefurl=http://wikimapia.org/53541/Sukhoy-Nos-nuclear-testing-site&usg=__xW6msww0luem6HiU4T5ZIeMRg4U=&h=1692&w=1152&sz=2327&hl=en&start=11&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=a4DjOofNzgzAeM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=102&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtsar%2Bbomba%2Bcrater%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26tbs%3Disch:1)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: malashenko on April 13, 2010, 08:00:04 PM
Quote from: EireEngineer
If atoms do not exist, kindly explain to me ... all of modern chemistry?

If you really want to understand chemistry (in depth) from the viewpoint that atoms do not exist (as in not at all), then I suggest you look into the work of Pierre Duhem. 

Don't make a bland reference, give some facts. You are arguing against a commonly held viewpoint that the scientific community and experience back up, and if there were another model the effect must be the exact same, because atomic principles affect non-atomic applications quite heavily.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Lord Xenu on April 14, 2010, 12:18:30 AM
Don't you think that anyone saw the immense mushroom cloud?
Still, no-one's answered this.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on April 14, 2010, 01:54:39 AM
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Russia/TsarBomba.html (http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Russia/TsarBomba.html)
http://www.vce.com/tsar.html (http://www.vce.com/tsar.html)
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Russia/Tsarbmb.jpg (http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Russia/Tsarbmb.jpg)

lmao.  Nothing in either one of those 'quick, I need a reference because I'm not really sure where I heard this crap' links said ANYTHING about a 40 mile high hole in the atmosphere, nor did it say anything about shattering windows in Sweden.

In fact, none of the 'observer accounts' were referenced directly.  No names were given for the 'observers.'
I'll say it again.  I'd like to see something back up your claims.  Don't post a link to the 'Tsar Bomb.'  I've already seen the videos and photos.
Give me something that directly says what you said.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on April 14, 2010, 01:59:38 AM
Don't you think that anyone saw the immense mushroom cloud?
Still, no-one's answered this.
Lots of bombs make mushroom clouds.  What's your point, anyway?

Here, I'll do some investigating for you.
Poof.  I'm now a reporter.
Poof.  I'm in Japan, and it's a decade after Hiroshima.
Poof.  I met some people, and they told me some stories.
Poof.  My account of others accounts are now all over the news with the government propaganda photos.

See how easy that is?  The only difference is, the reporter would actually have be be a reporter, or at the very least, the news paper company has to be 'playing ball' with the government.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Lord Xenu on April 14, 2010, 09:41:14 AM
Don't you think that anyone saw the immense mushroom cloud?
Still, no-one's answered this.
Lots of bombs make mushroom clouds.  What's your point, anyway?

Here, I'll do some investigating for you.
Poof.  I'm now a reporter.
Poof.  I'm in Japan, and it's a decade after Hiroshima.
Poof.  I met some people, and they told me some stories.
Poof.  My account of others accounts are now all over the news with the government propaganda photos.

See how easy that is?  The only difference is, the reporter would actually have be be a reporter, or at the very least, the news paper company has to be 'playing ball' with the government.

I'm sure there are lots of eyewitness accounts, of people who are around today. If the guy who came up with this conspiracy theory interviewed them and they all came to the conclusion that it looked like a carpet bomb, this theory would have some credibility. But he hasn't - he's just compiled a video of some trees being blown up, which apparently explains everything.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: malashenko on April 14, 2010, 05:52:21 PM
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Russia/TsarBomba.html (http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Russia/TsarBomba.html)
http://www.vce.com/tsar.html (http://www.vce.com/tsar.html)
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Russia/Tsarbmb.jpg (http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Russia/Tsarbmb.jpg)

lmao.  Nothing in either one of those 'quick, I need a reference because I'm not really sure where I heard this crap' links said ANYTHING about a 40 mile high hole in the atmosphere, nor did it say anything about shattering windows in Sweden.

In fact, none of the 'observer accounts' were referenced directly.  No names were given for the 'observers.'
I'll say it again.  I'd like to see something back up your claims.  Don't post a link to the 'Tsar Bomb.'  I've already seen the videos and photos.
Give me something that directly says what you said.

There is no proof against nuclear weapons at all. There is an overwhelming amount of proof for their existence, which doesn't have to come from observations. Your standard of evidence is going to shift and change, and you'll no doubt claim "CONSPIRACY!" any time that we provide a direct observer's account(actually you've already done this).

Countless principles of both theoretical and technological development in the area of atomic technology, as well as the other sectors of thought and practice that are dependent on the existence of atomic weaponry clearly point to the fact that they are real. You have to be insane to simply deny the existence of nuclear weapons—especially since you have no proof against them.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Xerox on April 14, 2010, 08:31:15 PM
^^^ Here here! 
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on April 15, 2010, 02:19:00 AM

There is no proof against nuclear weapons at all. There is an overwhelming amount of proof for their existence, which doesn't have to come from observations. Your standard of evidence is going to shift and change, and you'll no doubt claim "CONSPIRACY!" any time that we provide a direct observer's account(actually you've already done this).

Countless principles of both theoretical and technological development in the area of atomic technology, as well as the other sectors of thought and practice that are dependent on the existence of atomic weaponry clearly point to the fact that they are real. You have to be insane to simply deny the existence of nuclear weapons—especially since you have no proof against them.
I'd agree with this statement if it wasn't selectively applied.
Your belief that nuclear bombs are real isn't founded in proof.  You probably saw a video or read about it during the 5-10 years old stage of your life, and it was written in permanently as fact.  The possibility that they are fake never entered your mind before you read or heard someone saying they might be fake.
Just like everyone else arguing for the bombs in this thread, you weren't aware of most of the 'facts' before you set out to prove your side of the argument.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Lord Xenu on April 15, 2010, 04:01:04 AM
^^^ Here here! 

Where? Where!?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: malashenko on April 15, 2010, 03:49:45 PM

There is no proof against nuclear weapons at all. There is an overwhelming amount of proof for their existence, which doesn't have to come from observations. Your standard of evidence is going to shift and change, and you'll no doubt claim "CONSPIRACY!" any time that we provide a direct observer's account(actually you've already done this).

Countless principles of both theoretical and technological development in the area of atomic technology, as well as the other sectors of thought and practice that are dependent on the existence of atomic weaponry clearly point to the fact that they are real. You have to be insane to simply deny the existence of nuclear weapons—especially since you have no proof against them.
I'd agree with this statement if it wasn't selectively applied.
Your belief that nuclear bombs are real isn't founded in proof.  You probably saw a video or read about it during the 5-10 years old stage of your life, and it was written in permanently as fact.  The possibility that they are fake never entered your mind before you read or heard someone saying they might be fake.
Just like everyone else arguing for the bombs in this thread, you weren't aware of most of the 'facts' before you set out to prove your side of the argument.

I accept the secondary sources as proof because those secondary sources have real impacts on my life. Nuclear power plants exist, this I know from personal experience. The fact that they run on nuclear fission I know from a secondary source, reports on stability/grid updates etc. that include references to nuclear fission. In any case this is acceptable proof because it's supported by real experiences from me and from any logical person's conclusions.

There's no evidence against nuclear weapons existing, so it makes no sense that I would suddenly deny their existence and start hunting down proof as I had no reason to believe they didn't. I have all the reasons in the world to believe they exist, and not one to believe they don't.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: 17 November on April 16, 2010, 01:22:18 AM
Quote from: malashenko
Don't make a bland reference, give some facts.

No, I answered the question "explain all of modern chemistry" with an excellent and succinct reference.  If you or anyone wants to know the anti-atomic chemistry, then there are english translations of Duhem's works coming out and information to be found about him on the internet. 

"All of modern chemistry" is a whole lot to explain from either the pro-atomic or the anti-atomic side.  I checked out thick chemistry books of his from the library in French years ago before english translations began coming out, but I have read and seen enough about Duhem to know that   if anyone from either side of the controversy is so interested in scrutinizing such details, then they can find the arguments and (ancient) anti-atomic chemistry models in the writings of Pierre Duhem explained a lot better and more in depth than I could ever explain it.

Here are a couple of links:

http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Biographies/Duhem.html
http://www.amazon.com/Pierre-Maurice-Marie-Duhem/e/B001HCW1CA/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1271405514&sr=1-1

Quote from: malashenko
if there were another model the effect must be the exact same
"The central proposition of this famous book is that physical theories are conventions serving to economize scientific thought rather than descriptions or explanations of the way the world is made."
http://press.princeton.edu/titles/2667.html

'The Aim and Structure of Physical Theory'
By Pierre Duhem

http://books.google.com/books?id=5mVPK7QBdTkC&dq=the+aim+and+structure+of+physical+theory&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=ZxvIS-C5DIj-9ATerrzfCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBQQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://www.amazon.com/Structure-Physical-Princeton-Science-Library/dp/069102524X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271401988&sr=1-1


Quote from: Raist
Epicureanism begs to differ.

Yes, of course he does, but Epicurus does not have a monopoly on the truth. 

The ancient Epicurus himself adopted the atomic theory of Democritus which is proof that he had faith in something that does not exist.  The same applies to Epicurus's own modern disciples like Karl Marx (which is in spite of all of Marx's astute economic and political analyses).

The so-called "scientific community" is an association of hypocritical religious charlatans not essentially different than the medieval scholastics.  The modern pseudo-scientists also trace their heritage THROUGH THE MEDIEVAL SCHOLASTIC CHARLATANS back to the ancient greek philosophers.

Quote from: malashenko
There is no proof against nuclear weapons at all.

So-called nuclear weaponry is a myth for fools maintained by a cult not essentially different than the pathetic underground cult depicted in planet of the apes. 

Malashenko's theme song:  'HAIL THE BOMB!'

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: 17 November on April 16, 2010, 01:50:26 AM
Quote from: malashenko
Nuclear power plants exist, this I know from personal experience. The fact that they run on nuclear fission I know from a secondary source, reports on stability/grid updates etc. that include references to nuclear fission.

Energy plants exist that are widely assumed to be "nuclear" powered.  No one (as far as I know) is denying that power comes from these plants (or from the reactors of so-called nuclear submarines, et cetera), but the secondary material you completely rely upon as an explanation of how this power is generated is provided exclusively by persons both educated and brainwashed by a closed system under the strict control of a secret society.  Engineering education is run in this fashion.  I am not arguing that the process does not provide power, but that the description of how that power is generated is radically falsified.

This is why I earlier mentioned David Noble's expose of the engineering industry

'America By Design:  Science, Technology, and the Rise of Corporate Capitalism'
By David Noble
http://books.google.com/books?id=LBYlAV6VmpwC&dq=america+by+design+noble&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=GSHIS9zCFouG9ATYl6GdCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://www.amazon.com/America-Design-Technology-Corporate-Capitalism/dp/0195026187/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271406836&sr=8-10


From the Foreward:

"The second phase of industrial development ... began to unfold when the capitalist, having expropriated the worker's property, gradually expropriated his technical knowledge as well...

"the work process had to be split up into hundreds of separate operations performed by workers who no longer understood the relation of one operation to another...

"the engineering profession emerged from the workshop and the school, how the "school culture" wing of the profession succeeded in making academic credentials the prerequisite of admission, and how academically trained engineers replaced "rule-of-thumb" methods with esoteric knowledge over which they themselves had established a monopoly.  The professionalization of engineering and the establishment of engineering education as a recognized branch of higher learning forged a link between the corporation and the university that remains unbroken to this day."
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: dude55 on April 16, 2010, 12:06:21 PM
Mizzle you annoy me to no extent:

Witnesses: His co-workers should also exist seeing as he did. So you can tack on his co-workers including his boss from his biography as witnesses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Yamaguchi

Tomiko Morimoto:http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/a-13-2005-08-05-voa38-67539217.html

The pain they felt isnt fake, the US used a new weapon that they didnt know what it would cause. And since then people have been afraid to use it again knowing its powers. Modern day global fear rests solely on one weapon that everyone regrets making even the so called conspirators that you say dont exist. Everyone fears them, not just the public. And not just the people that saw it.


Photos of the aftermath, that is very hard to recreate with multiple bombs seeing as there is one single crater taken by Japanese military:

 http://mhpbooks.com/mobylives/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/hiroshima.jpg
http://themodulator.org/archives/hiroshima-damage.jpg

Nuclear Shadows (I'm not sure if this is the actual name but no other explosion can do it, the heat and thermal radiation and  speed of the shockwave/explosion leaves fire shadows of the peoples bodies and objects on stone. )

http://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/hiroshima-shadow-2.png
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_NO3URmUG7s0/RzASNFbMSCI/AAAAAAAAAME/fu6SN8WbeKA/s320/HiroshimaConcreteShadow.jpg
(The shadow of the pillars on this bridge also leave areas where the heat DIDNT scorch the bridge. The reason this bridge is still standing is because the heat of the blast extends much farther then the simple shockwave that causes building damage.: http://www.gensuikin.org/panel/12-2.jpg

Hope this changes your mind..
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Mizzle on April 16, 2010, 01:12:38 PM
Mizzle you annoy me to no extent:

Witnesses: His co-workers should also exist seeing as he did. So you can tack on his co-workers including his boss from his biography as witnesses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Yamaguchi

Tomiko Morimoto:http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/a-13-2005-08-05-voa38-67539217.html

The pain they felt isnt fake, the US used a new weapon that they didnt know what it would cause. And since then people have been afraid to use it again knowing its powers. Modern day global fear rests solely on one weapon that everyone regrets making even the so called conspirators that you say dont exist. Everyone fears them, not just the public. And not just the people that saw it.


Photos of the aftermath, that is very hard to recreate with multiple bombs seeing as there is one single crater taken by Japanese military:

 http://mhpbooks.com/mobylives/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/hiroshima.jpg
http://themodulator.org/archives/hiroshima-damage.jpg

Nuclear Shadows (I'm not sure if this is the actual name but no other explosion can do it, the heat and thermal radiation and  speed of the shockwave/explosion leaves fire shadows of the peoples bodies and objects on stone. )

http://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/hiroshima-shadow-2.png
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_NO3URmUG7s0/RzASNFbMSCI/AAAAAAAAAME/fu6SN8WbeKA/s320/HiroshimaConcreteShadow.jpg
(The shadow of the pillars on this bridge also leave areas where the heat DIDNT scorch the bridge. The reason this bridge is still standing is because the heat of the blast extends much farther then the simple shockwave that causes building damage.: http://www.gensuikin.org/panel/12-2.jpg

Hope this changes your mind..

First of all, that guy should have been exposed to enough radiation to be killed in the first blast.
Secondly, he should have been exposed to enough radiation to be killed in the second blast.
He lived to be 94 years old.  You cannot tell me there was a nuclear fall out, when the guy lived and worked in Nagasaki for all those radioactive years and never died, if there is such a thing as nuclear fall out.  His wife died at age 93, purportedly from radiation complications as well.  Seriously?  That flies directly in the face of what should have happened to him.  He was 3km away from the drop zone in both blasts.

Black rain?  I don't know anything about this, but why would a nuclear explosion cause it to rain black particles?  A more likely explanation for this is un-combusted petroleum (or other fuel) from a massive fuel-air bomb.  This whole area would be environmentally devastated due to contamination, a much more likely scenario.

The second account says 'red/orange flash' as opposed to the blinding white light that is typically associated with nuclear bombs.

The first two photos:
I don't see one single crater in either of those photos.  They just look like some black and white photos of an area that was possibly hit by a fire storm.

Last three photos:
Observe in the first two photos, the shadows are outlines of objects that would have been in the way of the heat/blast, which is counter intuitive.
The last photo outlines the more likely scenario, that since the railing is in between the ground and the blast, the scorched parts are outside of what would be the railing's 'shadow.'  Basically, photo 3 is the inverse of photos 1 and 2.


@Malashenko:
Right, you have no reason to believe they are fake, so you wouldn't go out and look for information to the contrary.  However, once you realize that the US government and the Russian government don't care one single bit about their populations (this is evident especially in Russia.  See:  Communism) and only care about exploiting the weak and remaining in power, then you'll start to question what you once believed as well.
Don't get mad at me though, if the government decides to march you into a prison camp for your 'protection.'  I'll be the one outside the fence saying 'I told you so.'
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Lazerblazter69 on April 17, 2010, 08:16:08 AM
NO and neither does North Korea.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: dude55 on April 27, 2010, 07:41:31 AM
Mizzle you annoy me to no extent:

Witnesses: His co-workers should also exist seeing as he did. So you can tack on his co-workers including his boss from his biography as witnesses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Yamaguchi

Tomiko Morimoto:http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/a-13-2005-08-05-voa38-67539217.html

The pain they felt isnt fake, the US used a new weapon that they didnt know what it would cause. And since then people have been afraid to use it again knowing its powers. Modern day global fear rests solely on one weapon that everyone regrets making even the so called conspirators that you say dont exist. Everyone fears them, not just the public. And not just the people that saw it.


Photos of the aftermath, that is very hard to recreate with multiple bombs seeing as there is one single crater taken by Japanese military:

 http://mhpbooks.com/mobylives/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/hiroshima.jpg
http://themodulator.org/archives/hiroshima-damage.jpg

Nuclear Shadows (I'm not sure if this is the actual name but no other explosion can do it, the heat and thermal radiation and  speed of the shockwave/explosion leaves fire shadows of the peoples bodies and objects on stone. )

http://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/hiroshima-shadow-2.png
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_NO3URmUG7s0/RzASNFbMSCI/AAAAAAAAAME/fu6SN8WbeKA/s320/HiroshimaConcreteShadow.jpg
(The shadow of the pillars on this bridge also leave areas where the heat DIDNT scorch the bridge. The reason this bridge is still standing is because the heat of the blast extends much farther then the simple shockwave that causes building damage.: http://www.gensuikin.org/panel/12-2.jpg

Hope this changes your mind..

First of all, that guy should have been exposed to enough radiation to be killed in the first blast.
Secondly, he should have been exposed to enough radiation to be killed in the second blast.
He lived to be 94 years old.  You cannot tell me there was a nuclear fall out, when the guy lived and worked in Nagasaki for all those radioactive years and never died, if there is such a thing as nuclear fall out.  His wife died at age 93, purportedly from radiation complications as well.  Seriously?  That flies directly in the face of what should have happened to him.  He was 3km away from the drop zone in both blasts.

Black rain?  I don't know anything about this, but why would a nuclear explosion cause it to rain black particles?  A more likely explanation for this is un-combusted petroleum (or other fuel) from a massive fuel-air bomb.  This whole area would be environmentally devastated due to contamination, a much more likely scenario.

The second account says 'red/orange flash' as opposed to the blinding white light that is typically associated with nuclear bombs.

The first two photos:
I don't see one single crater in either of those photos.  They just look like some black and white photos of an area that was possibly hit by a fire storm.

Last three photos:
Observe in the first two photos, the shadows are outlines of objects that would have been in the way of the heat/blast, which is counter intuitive.
The last photo outlines the more likely scenario, that since the railing is in between the ground and the blast, the scorched parts are outside of what would be the railing's 'shadow.'  Basically, photo 3 is the inverse of photos 1 and 2.


@Malashenko:
Right, you have no reason to believe they are fake, so you wouldn't go out and look for information to the contrary.  However, once you realize that the US government and the Russian government don't care one single bit about their populations (this is evident especially in Russia.  See:  Communism) and only care about exploiting the weak and remaining in power, then you'll start to question what you once believed as well.
Don't get mad at me though, if the government decides to march you into a prison camp for your 'protection.'  I'll be the one outside the fence saying 'I told you so.'
Sorry for such a late response I forgot about this forum for awhile and my response. (Again, DOH.)

Firstly, he was exposed to radiation, but not ENOUGH to kill him. You can walk in radiated rain and still survive depending on your body and how healthy or unhealthy it is. He did die of radiation related happenings, Stomach Cancer and he also had other amounts of cancer in his body. People dont need to die immediately and suddenly because of radiation. Its different for everyone, if he didn't have radiation he may have lived to 100 years seeing how he has done WITH Radiation. Its a funny thing, and its real even if bombs aren't real, radiation is.

Black rain, a term used by survivors of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki to describe the nuclear fallout from the bombs, which initially occurred in the form of precipitation  Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Rain

Also, the blinding white light didn't come in until modern bombs because we have evolved and fine tuned how we make our bombs. The reason there wasn't as much radiation as there is in modern bombs is because were making them deadlier. And the blinding white light is generally the initial flash that then fades to orange fiery like explosion, the initial flash is what causes the burn shadows.

Those photos were taken by the Japanese press and military, they even said it was the aftermath of the bomb. Unless the Japanese are involved too. Also, that doesnt look like a fire-bomb, none of those buildings are burnt,  there is no ash or char or burnt wood remains that I can see, just crumbled snapped and broken wood and frames of destroyed buildings. This is a good example as I dont see any ash:http://themodulator.org/archives/hiroshima-damage.jpg

Burnt wood generally leaves ash and char, I see none. And sadly I cant find a crater of it. I had found one many years ago but I cant for the life of me remember the search t  WARNING:Don't mistake some of the dirt on the ground wish ash, there is dirt in the background that may look like ask. Try looking near the buildings and not too far from them to avoid mixing dirt with ash.

Now I will explain what Nuclear Shadows are, (and they aren't even called nuclear shadows!) the initial intense heat wave and thermal heat and light from the explosion causes shadows of people burnt onto buildings, say they got knocked up against the building from the wave, they get burnt and their body catches fire and their outline is BURNT onto the building. Brutal, and horrible. (I figured out what they are! YAY! Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_burn )

Now, the bridge is from an fire wave of the explosion, the initial heat wave and thermal heat didn't cause anything onto that because the heat wave only burns the images of people or -CERTAIN- objects onto buildings. So the fire wave scorched the bridge causing said image that I linked. Causing the inverse you see. Also, photo one is the outline of a person knocked onto the stairs, his body isn't outlined because he probably got crunched up and knocked away.

------------------------------

I'm sorry but this will be my last post I make in the argument, you are obviously a very heavy conspiracy theorist and nothing I say will probably make you believe. You said you were just open minded but your post of:
Quote
Right, you have no reason to believe they are fake, so you wouldn't go out and look for information to the contrary.  However, once you realize that the US government and the Russian government don't care one single bit about their populations (this is evident especially in Russia.  See:  Communism) and only care about exploiting the weak and remaining in power, then you'll start to question what you once believed as well.
Don't get mad at me though, if the government decides to march you into a prison camp for your 'protection.'  I'll be the one outside the fence saying 'I told you so.'

That obviously shows your a firm believer that they are fake. And I dont like my government but I sure as hell know that they aren't communistic dictators ruling every inch of our life and putting us into prison camps. Nuclear Bombs are real, their deadly. And any non-insane non-terrorist soul is afraid of them, even our governments.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: hiroshima is real on January 22, 2011, 10:26:46 PM
if nuclear bombs are not real than how do u explain the bombing of Hiroshima??? and if nuclear bombs do not exist than does that mean that Einstein's theory of E equals MC squared is wrong? because they use that theory to make nukes...
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on January 22, 2011, 11:06:58 PM
This thread is dumb. The idea of the technology is not what makes nukes scary, its the damage they did, which was real.
I think conspiracy theory is a cool guy
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Vindictus on January 22, 2011, 11:39:37 PM
if nuclear bombs are not real than how do u explain the bombing of Hiroshima??? and if nuclear bombs do not exist than does that mean that Einstein's theory of E equals MC squared is wrong? because they use that theory to make nukes...

Before jumping into a thread you found on Google you should:

1. Check how old the thread is
2. Check the context
3. Not cover your answer in bright f***ing red
and
4. Attempt to sound reasonably intelligent/coherent
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Hazbollah on January 23, 2011, 01:30:52 PM
if nuclear bombs are not real than how do u explain the bombing of Hiroshima??? and if nuclear bombs do not exist than does that mean that Einstein's theory of E equals MC squared is wrong? because they use that theory to make nukes...
Brah, epic necro. there's a thread that amounts to the same thing on this or the second page. And they say Hiroshima was bombed heavily, just not nuked.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: doyh on January 23, 2011, 07:18:47 PM
If Hiroshima hadn't been nuked, it would have more damage. In an attempt to make it more realistic, we would have bombed it as bad as we did the entirely undeserving city of Dresden. Read Slaughter-House Five.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Hazbollah on January 24, 2011, 08:52:05 AM
If Hiroshima hadn't been nuked, it would have more damage. In an attempt to make it more realistic, we would have bombed it as bad as we did the entirely undeserving city of Dresden. Read Slaughter-House Five.
Dresden had no military industry, for sure. But it was full of retreating German troops falling back from Poland. So it was brutal, but not random.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on January 24, 2011, 09:22:58 AM
explain the radiation, and accounts thereof. This is almost as lame a denying the holocaust.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Alpha_Wave on February 17, 2011, 11:05:04 AM
explain the radiation, and accounts thereof. This is almost as lame a denying the holocaust.

Is it impossible to put hot material in a conventional bomb before setting it off? That's not a very telling argument aginst the theory.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Planeteclipse on February 27, 2011, 11:54:19 PM
Man some of the responces in this thread have really baffled me. Most of them were very old, But they seemed to be men posing as intellectuals, argueing for the sake of argueing.
 There were alot of very valid points made, then people denying the facts only to post later that they actually believe the facts.
Im going to school in the radiology field, and I've been learning and experiencing quite A lot on the subject.(which I'm sure is more then 90% of the gentlemen on here can say, sorry)
Honestly, I'm hoping that this thread is a spoof and the arguements are like i said, for the sake of it. Or people having theories(perfectly fine and normal), but with no background or truly relevent experience.
Well, this thread is going on several years old, It's probably near dead by now. So I'm hoping.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tausami on February 28, 2011, 12:01:07 PM
Man some of the responces in this thread have really baffled me. Most of them were very old, But they seemed to be men posing as intellectuals, argueing for the sake of argueing.
 There were alot of very valid points made, then people denying the facts only to post later that they actually believe the facts.
Im going to school in the radiology field, and I've been learning and experiencing quite A lot on the subject.(which I'm sure is more then 90% of the gentlemen on here can say, sorry)
Honestly, I'm hoping that this thread is a spoof and the arguements are like i said, for the sake of it. Or people having theories(perfectly fine and normal), but with no background or truly relevent experience.
Well, this thread is going on several years old, It's probably near dead by now. So I'm hoping.

Well, yeah. This is the Flat Earth Society. We argue about the shape of the Earth all day. What would you expect?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Beorn on February 28, 2011, 12:02:56 PM
Man some of the responces in this thread have really baffled me. Most of them were very old, But they seemed to be men posing as intellectuals, argueing for the sake of argueing.
 There were alot of very valid points made, then people denying the facts only to post later that they actually believe the facts.
Im going to school in the radiology field, and I've been learning and experiencing quite A lot on the subject.(which I'm sure is more then 90% of the gentlemen on here can say, sorry)
Honestly, I'm hoping that this thread is a spoof and the arguements are like i said, for the sake of it. Or people having theories(perfectly fine and normal), but with no background or truly relevent experience.
Well, this thread is going on several years old, It's probably near dead by now. So I'm hoping.

It was dead until you decided to make an account just to revive it be smug.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Planeteclipse on February 28, 2011, 10:05:30 PM
Man some of the responces in this thread have really baffled me. Most of them were very old, But they seemed to be men posing as intellectuals, argueing for the sake of argueing.
 There were alot of very valid points made, then people denying the facts only to post later that they actually believe the facts.
Im going to school in the radiology field, and I've been learning and experiencing quite A lot on the subject.(which I'm sure is more then 90% of the gentlemen on here can say, sorry)
Honestly, I'm hoping that this thread is a spoof and the arguements are like i said, for the sake of it. Or people having theories(perfectly fine and normal), but with no background or truly relevent experience.
Well, this thread is going on several years old, It's probably near dead by now. So I'm hoping.

It was dead until you decided to make an account just to revive it be smug.
Again people assuming things. I've been reading forums on here for awhile. That just so happened to be my first post. And I'm not the one who revived it duder 8) But thats true there's alot of argueing on here lol, as for the shape of the world..gimme a break! Everyone knows It's flat ::)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Tausami on March 01, 2011, 12:29:47 PM
Man some of the responces in this thread have really baffled me. Most of them were very old, But they seemed to be men posing as intellectuals, argueing for the sake of argueing.
 There were alot of very valid points made, then people denying the facts only to post later that they actually believe the facts.
Im going to school in the radiology field, and I've been learning and experiencing quite A lot on the subject.(which I'm sure is more then 90% of the gentlemen on here can say, sorry)
Honestly, I'm hoping that this thread is a spoof and the arguements are like i said, for the sake of it. Or people having theories(perfectly fine and normal), but with no background or truly relevent experience.
Well, this thread is going on several years old, It's probably near dead by now. So I'm hoping.

It was dead until you decided to make an account just to revive it be smug.
Again people assuming things. I've been reading forums on here for awhile. That just so happened to be my first post. And I'm not the one who revived it duder 8) But thats true there's alot of argueing on here lol, as for the shape of the world..gimme a break! Everyone knows It's flat ::)

I smell an alt.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JoshuaZ on March 01, 2011, 09:29:35 PM
If nukes don't exist then a lot of things don't make much sense. One needs to not only not have nuclear bombs, and nuclear power plants, but also nuclear reactors that are used to generate radioactive isotopes used in medicine (although some of those come from particle accelerators, not all types can do so.) I also have no idea how one would then go about explaining the existence of the Oklo natural fission reactor. And it then isn't clear what happened at Chernobyl (yeah, the USSR decided to simulate a serious nuclear accident and evacuate a large area for now reason). And I'd have to wonder how the americium in smoke detectors is made. And that's just for starters.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Beorn on March 01, 2011, 09:50:47 PM
If nukes don't exist then a lot of things don't make much sense. One needs to not only not have nuclear bombs, and nuclear power plants, but also nuclear reactors that are used to generate radioactive isotopes used in medicine (although some of those come from particle accelerators, not all types can do so.) I also have no idea how one would then go about explaining the existence of the Oklo natural fission reactor. And it then isn't clear what happened at Chernobyl (yeah, the USSR decided to simulate a serious nuclear accident and evacuate a large area for now reason). And I'd have to wonder how the americium in smoke detectors is made. And that's just for starters.

None of the examples are nukes, why wouldn't they exist ???
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JoshuaZ on March 01, 2011, 09:53:49 PM


None of the examples are nukes, why wouldn't they exist ???

All of them rely on the exact same laws of physics. If nukes aren't possible then those shouldn't be possible either. Or if they are possible, we'd have to have been massively lied to about how they work, and there would need to be even larger conspiracy theories involved (including the medical establishment, the power industry, the smoke detector makers, among many others.)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on January 06, 2016, 11:18:46 PM
As a 12 year old, I lived in Hawaii and was an eyewitness to Starfish Prime. As I recall, I was looking out the window and I saw the flash of the explosion it made shadows as sharp as from a flash camera but it was from above the tree that was in the back yard, and I turned to look out the bay windows to the street with tree in front yard too late to see there. I then ran out through the patio up the stairs to the pool area looked over the valley. Seeing that the streetlight were all dark and they were just beginning to flicker back on; no power was lost in the house, just that the street lights went out. That is how I remember it, and I can’t think of any way of reproducing that across the entire valley which was about a mile at its broadest. Nuclear bombs are real!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 24, 2019, 06:59:05 AM
Yes, the Starfish Prime nuclear explosion up in space caused a lot of damages at Hawaii, i.e. street lights went out according witnesses.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Jamie on May 24, 2019, 08:35:43 AM
Yes, nuclear bombs exist.

What a stupid discussion.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 24, 2019, 10:24:52 AM
Nuclear weapons do not switch off street lights. I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on May 26, 2019, 08:22:50 AM
Nuclear weapons do not switch off street lights. I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .

A Nuclear explosion releases a large amount of electromagnetic radiation which can interact with large electrical grid systems. Such as overhead power supply cables ext. This can do anything from nothing to completely destroying the electrical grid if its big enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse


Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 27, 2019, 03:01:41 AM
Nuclear weapons do not switch off street lights. I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .

A Nuclear explosion releases a large amount of electromagnetic radiation which can interact with large electrical grid systems. Such as overhead power supply cables ext. This can do anything from nothing to completely destroying the electrical grid if its big enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse

It sounds like bad science. When Hiroshima, Japan, was destroyed 6 August 1945 there was no electromagnetic radiation (LOL) interacting with the airplanes participating in the terror attacks. They made photos and returned safely home. At the ground zero 99.9% of the observers were vaporized but 0.1% survived and could testify how terrible it was. After having switched on the light.
Ever heard of bad science? I explain at http://heiwaco.com .
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 27, 2019, 03:36:20 AM

When Hiroshima, Japan, was destroyed 6 August 1945 there was no electromagnetic radiation (LOL) interacting with the airplanes participating in the terror attacks.

I think it is awesome you have been able to fish the same school for four solid years.

I was on a long range boat one time and we got into a ferocious Dorado bite.
I caught a couple on a bare hook.
Two dudes got into an argument about the best lure to use on them.

The captain climbed down from the house and took a rod from one of them.
He was munching on an orange. Took a chunk of rind and pinned it on.
Threw it out 60 feet and reeled with a stutter retrieve. Bite, bam, swing and hook!
He handed the rod back and climbed back up to the house.

He didn't say a word.


Heiwa is absolutely owning all of you.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 27, 2019, 04:30:42 AM
(http://www.atomicarchive.com/Photos/Hiroshima/images/Cloud.jpg)         (https://www.dropbox.com/s/oulsbbvgplvpttn/Mushroom%20Cloud%20Over%20NagasakiLieutenant%20by%20Charles%20Levy%201945.jpg?dl=1)         (https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQr1doGJO7MzHPvzOZip96YhwKq9K_aoZK3xlQABUD6_684W_soQdMNu7rVBQ)

And, Mr Bullwinkle, would you deny us the right to publicise Heiwa's fine site? Here's a link http://heiwaco.com/ (http://www.howtoarguewithanidiot.com), so there!

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 27, 2019, 05:03:22 AM
If you enjoy tickling his balls have at it.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 27, 2019, 05:34:34 AM

When Hiroshima, Japan, was destroyed 6 August 1945 there was no electromagnetic radiation (LOL) interacting with the airplanes participating in the terror attacks.

I think it is awesome you have been able to fish the same school for four solid years.

I was on a long range boat one time and we got into a ferocious Dorado bite.
I caught a couple on a bare hook.
Two dudes got into an argument about the best lure to use on them.

The captain climbed down from the house and took a rod from one of them.
He was munching on an orange. Took a chunk of rind and pinned it on.
Threw it out 60 feet and reeled with a stutter retrieve. Bite, bam, swing and hook!
He handed the rod back and climbed back up to the house.

He didn't say a word.


Heiwa is absolutely owning all of you.

Yes, this US B29 atomic bomber, after dropping the gadget 6 August 1945 on Hiroshima, should have dropped down to low level and taken a close look at what was left of the target and taken some photos. Pictures of clouds in the sky are nothing. I have been told there was some escort planes too, and they could also have taken a better look at the destruction. It is not everyday that you drop an atomic bomb on people and vaporize them in a FLASH. But there was no hurry! You could have returned the next day.
When US/UK bombed Dresden a night February 1945 they came back next morning to finish the job and even used low flying planes using automatic guns to slaughter Germans trying to escape on the roads. Churchill said that Dresden with its baroque cathedral was an important military target that had been overlooked since 1939. Freiberg i.Sa. 30 kms west with its arms industry making V2 equipment and airplane parts was left unharmed. My house there was never bombed at all I am happy to note. I sold it 2016.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 27, 2019, 05:46:24 AM
If you enjoy tickling his balls have at it.
But I do hope that you checked his site out ;).
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 28, 2019, 12:32:25 PM
Nuclear weapons do not switch off street lights. I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .

A Nuclear explosion releases a large amount of electromagnetic radiation which can interact with large electrical grid systems. Such as overhead power supply cables ext. This can do anything from nothing to completely destroying the electrical grid if its big enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse

It sounds like bad science. When Hiroshima, Japan, was destroyed 6 August 1945 there was no electromagnetic radiation (LOL) interacting with the airplanes participating in the terror attacks.
That's because the bombs used were quite small compared to later bombs. 

They made photos and returned safely home.
Actually, they did have quite a rough ride when the shock wave caught up with them.

At the ground zero 99.9% of the observers were vaporized but 0.1% survived and could testify how terrible it was. After having switched on the light.
Ever heard of bad science?
Yes, your site is good source of bad science,
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 30, 2019, 09:05:25 PM

Yes, your site is good source of bad science,

Yes, I describe at my website several cases where various authorities/experts use really bad science (pseudoscience) to fool and scare the general public, e.g. nuclear weapons 1945, space travel 1960's, ships sinking all the time, 911 collapses (2001) and a nuclear power plant breakdown 2011. It is very easy! Just make most info secret for various security reasons and then you can invent anything. The public is always ignorant and believes anything.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 17, 2019, 09:17:48 AM
if nuclear bombs are not real than how do u explain the bombing of Hiroshima??? and if nuclear bombs do not exist than does that mean that Einstein's theory of E equals MC squared is wrong? because they use that theory to make nukes...
Hiroshima was bombed by 100's of US B29 napalm bombers August 1945. POTUS FDR had 1942 decided to build 1 000's of B29 bombers and train 10 000's of bomber pilots and they bombed everywhere 1942/5 but ... it didn't work. Towns went up in flames but the enemy people moved away. The war had to end on the ground like in Germany May 1945. But US/USSR could not invade and defeat Japan on the ground. So the fake US atomic bomb was used. http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm Big biz today.
I assume you work for Hiroshima JTB.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on June 17, 2019, 09:28:33 AM
if nuclear bombs are not real than how do u explain the bombing of Hiroshima??? and if nuclear bombs do not exist than does that mean that Einstein's theory of E equals MC squared is wrong? because they use that theory to make nukes...
Hiroshima was bombed by 100's of US B29 napalm bombers August 1945. POTUS FDR had 1942 decided to build 1 000's of B29 bombers and train 10 000's of bomber pilots and they bombed everywhere 1942/5 but ... it didn't work. Towns went up in flames but the enemy people moved away. The war had to end on the ground like in Germany May 1945. But US/USSR could not invade and defeat Japan on the ground. So the fake US atomic bomb was used. http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm Big biz today.
I assume you work for Hiroshima JTB.

Jesus Christ, you're not dead yet Anders?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on June 17, 2019, 07:42:28 PM
if nuclear bombs are not real than how do u explain the bombing of Hiroshima??? and if nuclear bombs do not exist than does that mean that Einstein's theory of E equals MC squared is wrong? because they use that theory to make nukes...
Hiroshima was bombed by 100's of US B29 napalm bombers August 1945. POTUS FDR had 1942 decided to build 1 000's of B29 bombers and train 10 000's of bomber pilots and they bombed everywhere 1942/5 but ... it didn't work. Towns went up in flames but the enemy people moved away. The war had to end on the ground like in Germany May 1945. But US/USSR could not invade and defeat Japan on the ground. So the fake US atomic bomb was used. http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm Big biz today.
I assume you work for Hiroshima JTB.

Jesus Christ, you're not dead yet Anders?
No, he still posts the same old lies:
"Hiroshima was bombed by 100's of US B29 napalm bombers August 1945. POTUS FDR had 1942 decided to build 1 000's of B29 bombers and train 10 000's of bomber pilots and they bombed everywhere 1942/5 but ... it didn't work. Towns went up in flames but the enemy people moved away. The war had to end on the ground like in Germany May 1945. But US/USSR could not invade and defeat Japan on the ground. So the fake US atomic bomb was used. http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm Big biz today.
I assume you work for Hiroshima JTB."

And Heiwa himself posts this!
Yes, the Starfish Prime nuclear explosion up in space caused a lot of damages at Hawaii, i.e. street lights went out according witnesses.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 17, 2019, 10:40:30 PM
if nuclear bombs are not real than how do u explain the bombing of Hiroshima??? and if nuclear bombs do not exist than does that mean that Einstein's theory of E equals MC squared is wrong? because they use that theory to make nukes...
Hiroshima was bombed by 100's of US B29 napalm bombers August 1945. POTUS FDR had 1942 decided to build 1 000's of B29 bombers and train 10 000's of bomber pilots and they bombed everywhere 1942/5 but ... it didn't work. Towns went up in flames but the enemy people moved away. The war had to end on the ground like in Germany May 1945. But US/USSR could not invade and defeat Japan on the ground. So the fake US atomic bomb was used. http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm Big biz today.
I assume you work for Hiroshima JTB.

Jesus Christ, you're not dead yet Anders?
No, he still posts the same old lies:
"Hiroshima was bombed by 100's of US B29 napalm bombers August 1945. POTUS FDR had 1942 decided to build 1 000's of B29 bombers and train 10 000's of bomber pilots and they bombed everywhere 1942/5 but ... it didn't work. Towns went up in flames but the enemy people moved away. The war had to end on the ground like in Germany May 1945. But US/USSR could not invade and defeat Japan on the ground. So the fake US atomic bomb was used. http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm Big biz today.
I assume you work for Hiroshima JTB."

And Heiwa himself posts this!
Yes, the Starfish Prime nuclear explosion up in space caused a lot of damages at Hawaii, i.e. street lights went out according witnesses.
According Wikipedia;
Quote
Starfish Prime was a July 9, 1962 high-altitude nuclear test conducted by the United States, a joint effort of the Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) and the Defense Atomic Support Agency. It was launched from Johnston Island, and was the largest nuclear test conducted in outer space and one of five conducted by the US in space.

A Thor rocket carrying a W49 thermonuclear warhead (designed by Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory) and a Mk. 2 reentry vehicle was launched from Johnston Island in the Pacific Ocean, about 900 miles (1,450 km) west-southwest of Hawaii. The explosion took place at an altitude of 250 miles (400 km), above a point 19 miles (31 km) southwest of Johnston Island. It produced a yield equivalent to 1.4 megatonnes of TNT. The explosion was about 10° above the horizon as seen from Hawaii, at 11 PM Hawaii time.[1] ...  The Starfish Prime electromagnetic pulse also made those effects known to the public by causing electrical damage in Hawaii, about 898 miles (1,445 km) away from the detonation point, knocking out about 300 streetlights,[6] setting off numerous burglar alarms and damaging a telephone company microwave link.[7] The EMP damage to the microwave link shut down telephone calls from Kauai to the other Hawaiian islands.[8]

But it is 100% fantasy. No evidence of anything. As usual.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: frenat on June 18, 2019, 05:15:31 AM
No evidence of anything. As usual.
You mean none you'd accept because you decided the conclusion before looking. Thanks for the humor!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 19, 2019, 03:55:31 AM
No evidence of anything. As usual.
You mean none you'd accept because you decided the conclusion before looking. Thanks for the humor!
No, everything about nuclear bombs is military top secret! Beware of terrorists and djihadists. To me it is a big joke.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: frenat on June 19, 2019, 07:05:18 AM
No evidence of anything. As usual.
You mean none you'd accept because you decided the conclusion before looking. Thanks for the humor!
No, everything about nuclear bombs is military top secret! Beware of terrorists and djihadists. To me it is a big joke.

More lies from Heiwa. Not everything about it is top secret and you have not seen ANYTHING secret or top secret. You never even bothered to interview ANY witness of any explosion even though there were thousands in Vegas in the 50's. AGAIN you've decided your conclusion before the evidence. The only joke here is you.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 19, 2019, 01:22:06 PM
No evidence of anything. As usual.
You mean none you'd accept because you decided the conclusion before looking. Thanks for the humor!
No, everything about nuclear bombs is military top secret! Beware of terrorists and djihadists. To me it is a big joke.

More lies from Heiwa. Not everything about it is top secret and you have not seen ANYTHING secret or top secret. You never even bothered to interview ANY witness of any explosion even though there were thousands in Vegas in the 50's. AGAIN you've decided your conclusion before the evidence. The only joke here is you.
No, I happened to work in Yokohama, Japan in the 70's with two persons born in the 30's at Hiroshima/Nagasaki. They survived and could tell me what happened. I describe it at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: frenat on June 19, 2019, 01:31:50 PM
No evidence of anything. As usual.
You mean none you'd accept because you decided the conclusion before looking. Thanks for the humor!
No, everything about nuclear bombs is military top secret! Beware of terrorists and djihadists. To me it is a big joke.

More lies from Heiwa. Not everything about it is top secret and you have not seen ANYTHING secret or top secret. You never even bothered to interview ANY witness of any explosion even though there were thousands in Vegas in the 50's. AGAIN you've decided your conclusion before the evidence. The only joke here is you.
No, I happened to work in Yokohama, Japan in the 70's with two persons born in the 30's at Hiroshima/Nagasaki. They survived and could tell me what happened. I describe it at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm
I can't find anywhere on that shitshow of a page where you have eyewitness testimony for these two witnesses. and I feel dirty for contributing to your hit count which will only feed your ego. IF you have their testimonies then post them here. But I'm betting no matter what you have you still had the conclusion BEFORE gathering all the evidence. It is what you do.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on June 19, 2019, 02:37:09 PM
No evidence of anything. As usual.
You mean none you'd accept because you decided the conclusion before looking. Thanks for the humor!
No, everything about nuclear bombs is military top secret! Beware of terrorists and djihadists. To me it is a big joke.

More lies from Heiwa. Not everything about it is top secret and you have not seen ANYTHING secret or top secret. You never even bothered to interview ANY witness of any explosion even though there were thousands in Vegas in the 50's. AGAIN you've decided your conclusion before the evidence. The only joke here is you.
No, I happened to work in Yokohama, Japan in the 70's with two persons born in the 30's at Hiroshima/Nagasaki. They survived and could tell me what happened. I describe it at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm
I can't find anywhere on that shitshow of a page where you have eyewitness testimony for these two witnesses. and I feel dirty for contributing to your hit count which will only feed your ego. IF you have their testimonies then post them here. But I'm betting no matter what you have you still had the conclusion BEFORE gathering all the evidence. It is what you do.
Oh, he won't post any testimony because he probably thinks that they were either lying or forced to tell the story by the Japanese government.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: frenat on June 19, 2019, 03:30:38 PM
No evidence of anything. As usual.
You mean none you'd accept because you decided the conclusion before looking. Thanks for the humor!
No, everything about nuclear bombs is military top secret! Beware of terrorists and djihadists. To me it is a big joke.

More lies from Heiwa. Not everything about it is top secret and you have not seen ANYTHING secret or top secret. You never even bothered to interview ANY witness of any explosion even though there were thousands in Vegas in the 50's. AGAIN you've decided your conclusion before the evidence. The only joke here is you.
No, I happened to work in Yokohama, Japan in the 70's with two persons born in the 30's at Hiroshima/Nagasaki. They survived and could tell me what happened. I describe it at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm
I can't find anywhere on that shitshow of a page where you have eyewitness testimony for these two witnesses. and I feel dirty for contributing to your hit count which will only feed your ego. IF you have their testimonies then post them here. But I'm betting no matter what you have you still had the conclusion BEFORE gathering all the evidence. It is what you do.
Oh, he won't post any testimony because he probably thinks that they were either lying or forced to tell the story by the Japanese government.
I know. And as far as I can tell he doesn't have any testimony. I won't go back to his site. It is badly organized and reminiscent of a geocities page and the hit count (paltry as it is) just feeds his ego. If he can't present his evidence where he is trying to make his argument then that is his fail.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 19, 2019, 04:02:45 PM
Who's winning?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: frenat on June 19, 2019, 06:52:51 PM
Who's winning?

who cares?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 19, 2019, 07:42:43 PM
No evidence of anything. As usual.
You mean none you'd accept because you decided the conclusion before looking. Thanks for the humor!
No, everything about nuclear bombs is military top secret! Beware of terrorists and djihadists. To me it is a big joke.

More lies from Heiwa. Not everything about it is top secret and you have not seen ANYTHING secret or top secret. You never even bothered to interview ANY witness of any explosion even though there were thousands in Vegas in the 50's. AGAIN you've decided your conclusion before the evidence. The only joke here is you.
No, I happened to work in Yokohama, Japan in the 70's with two persons born in the 30's at Hiroshima/Nagasaki. They survived and could tell me what happened. I describe it at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm
I can't find anywhere on that shitshow of a page where you have eyewitness testimony for these two witnesses. and I feel dirty for contributing to your hit count which will only feed your ego. IF you have their testimonies then post them here. But I'm betting no matter what you have you still had the conclusion BEFORE gathering all the evidence. It is what you do.
Oh, he won't post any testimony because he probably thinks that they were either lying or forced to tell the story by the Japanese government.
I know. And as far as I can tell he doesn't have any testimony. I won't go back to his site. It is badly organized and reminiscent of a geocities page and the hit count (paltry as it is) just feeds his ego. If he can't present his evidence where he is trying to make his argument then that is his fail.
As a matter of fact there are museums at Hiroshima, Nagasaki (Japan) and Albuquerque (NM/USA) full of information (propaganda) about atomic/nuclear bombs incl. witnesses that were around when the bombs exploded in a FLASH. The FLASH vaporized everything except the witnesses, some of which are still alive lying about it. I just describe the hoax at my website.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: frenat on June 20, 2019, 05:07:57 AM
No evidence of anything. As usual.
You mean none you'd accept because you decided the conclusion before looking. Thanks for the humor!
No, everything about nuclear bombs is military top secret! Beware of terrorists and djihadists. To me it is a big joke.

More lies from Heiwa. Not everything about it is top secret and you have not seen ANYTHING secret or top secret. You never even bothered to interview ANY witness of any explosion even though there were thousands in Vegas in the 50's. AGAIN you've decided your conclusion before the evidence. The only joke here is you.
No, I happened to work in Yokohama, Japan in the 70's with two persons born in the 30's at Hiroshima/Nagasaki. They survived and could tell me what happened. I describe it at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm
I can't find anywhere on that shitshow of a page where you have eyewitness testimony for these two witnesses. and I feel dirty for contributing to your hit count which will only feed your ego. IF you have their testimonies then post them here. But I'm betting no matter what you have you still had the conclusion BEFORE gathering all the evidence. It is what you do.
Oh, he won't post any testimony because he probably thinks that they were either lying or forced to tell the story by the Japanese government.
I know. And as far as I can tell he doesn't have any testimony. I won't go back to his site. It is badly organized and reminiscent of a geocities page and the hit count (paltry as it is) just feeds his ego. If he can't present his evidence where he is trying to make his argument then that is his fail.
As a matter of fact there are museums at Hiroshima, Nagasaki (Japan) and Albuquerque (NM/USA) full of information (propaganda) about atomic/nuclear bombs incl. witnesses that were around when the bombs exploded in a FLASH. The FLASH vaporized everything except the witnesses, some of which are still alive lying about it. I just describe the hoax at my website.
And still you can't copy the supposed testimony you have here. Thanks for proving my point. You ignored testimony and you didn't bother to look for the thousands of others. You had the conclusion before you started.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on June 20, 2019, 07:03:20 AM
As a matter of fact there are museums at Hiroshima, Nagasaki (Japan) and Albuquerque (NM/USA) full of information (propaganda) about atomic/nuclear bombs incl. witnesses that were around when the bombs exploded in a FLASH. The FLASH vaporized everything except the witnesses, some of which are still alive lying about it. I just describe the hoax at my website.
Anders, what would it take to finally convince you that nuclear bombs are not a hoax?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 21, 2019, 08:48:52 PM
As a matter of fact there are museums at Hiroshima, Nagasaki (Japan) and Albuquerque (NM/USA) full of information (propaganda) about atomic/nuclear bombs incl. witnesses that were around when the bombs exploded in a FLASH. The FLASH vaporized everything except the witnesses, some of which are still alive lying about it. I just describe the hoax at my website.
Anders, what would it take to finally convince you that nuclear bombs are not a hoax?
We have discussed it before. Just ignite a B61 atomic bomb on a barge in the Mediterranean Sea outside my office window. I describe it at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm . There is nothing like a live test with witnesses like me around. But I doubt I get the military secrets clearances.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on June 21, 2019, 10:22:08 PM
Just ignite a B61 atomic bomb on a barge in the Mediterranean Sea outside my office window.
Igniting an atomic bomb might spread a bit of radiation but not a nuclear detonation.
We might take you slightly more seriously if you described the process of initiating a bit realistically.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on June 22, 2019, 10:38:16 AM
Just ignite a B61 atomic bomb on a barge in the Mediterranean Sea outside my office window.
In the off chance that you're wrong and atomic bombs are real, do you have any idea how damage such an explosion would cause?  Why would you want to take such a foolish chance?

There is nothing like a live test with witnesses like me around. But I doubt I get the military secrets clearances.
Countless people have already witnessed dozens of atomic bomb explosions.  What would one more witness to one more explosion prove?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on June 23, 2019, 12:59:54 AM
Just ignite a B61 atomic bomb on a barge in the Mediterranean Sea outside my office window.
In the off chance that you're wrong and atomic bombs are real, do you have any idea how damage such an explosion would cause?  Why would you want to take such a foolish chance?

There is nothing like a live test with witnesses like me around. But I doubt I get the military secrets clearances.
Countless people have already witnessed dozens of atomic bomb explosions.  What would one more witness to one more explosion prove?
You have no more proof of them working than anyone else does of them not working.

Your reliance is on stories and grainy video or CGI filming of supposed nuclear detonations....etc.
Can you use that as your proof?....No you can't but you can certainly claim your own high ground if it suits your way of thinking.

I've seen many films of Jesus and I could argue that there's churches and miracles happening, etc, etc, etc. Does that make it all real to those who've never physically seen anything that proves a reality or even felt a presence of a god in their lives?

The thing is, do you walk into church and call the vicar/priest, a liar? Do you walk in and tell the vicar or priest that they're wrong?
Do you walk in because you're part of some service to a family member, whether it's a wedding or funeral or christening, etc...and accept god is a reality just because the rest do?

There's nothing wrong with anyone believing in anything they feel is their truth and reality but if there's no real physical proof and only a reliance on stories of old and word of mouth by mass, plus buildings for those masses, it cannot be proclaimed as that person's truth to a person who does not accept that as a truth without real proof that becomes clear enough to cast away doubt.

This is where I'm at and I see far too much that tells me a different story to the one we are basically bullied into accepting.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 23, 2019, 01:28:43 AM
Just ignite a B61 atomic bomb on a barge in the Mediterranean Sea outside my office window.
In the off chance that you're wrong and atomic bombs are real, do you have any idea how damage such an explosion would cause?  Why would you want to take such a foolish chance?

There is nothing like a live test with witnesses like me around. But I doubt I get the military secrets clearances.
Countless people have already witnessed dozens of atomic bomb explosions.  What would one more witness to one more explosion prove?

I am not wrong. I have studied nuclear arms close up since many years, e.g. at nuclear bomb museums at Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Japan and Albuquerque, NM, USA. They are just full of propaganda garbage.
Yes, countless people say they have witnessed atomic bomb explosions but ... they are all paid liars. Just listen to the Japanese that say they witnessed the FLASHES 1945 wiping out Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They survived while the towns were vaporized? How lucky they were.
So why does Japan play along in this hoax since 1945? Easy. Every Japanese is trained from birth to obey parents, family and authorities - without thinking. They don't give a damn and if they do, they will have problems.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: turtles on June 23, 2019, 09:11:36 AM
Just ignite a B61 atomic bomb on a barge in the Mediterranean Sea outside my office window.
In the off chance that you're wrong and atomic bombs are real, do you have any idea how damage such an explosion would cause?  Why would you want to take such a foolish chance?

There is nothing like a live test with witnesses like me around. But I doubt I get the military secrets clearances.
Countless people have already witnessed dozens of atomic bomb explosions.  What would one more witness to one more explosion prove?

I am not wrong.

Ah, the certainty of a conspiracy theorist who has no evidence.


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I have studied nuclear arms close up since many years, e.g. at nuclear bomb museums at Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Japan and Albuquerque, NM, USA. They are just full of propaganda garbage.

How did you determine it's garbage?

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Yes, countless people say they have witnessed atomic bomb explosions but ... they are all paid liars.

ALL of them? They successfully paid off everyone in Las Vegas? And not one of those gamblers every let the secret out? Haha, that's a funny level of delusion.

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Just listen to the Japanese that say they witnessed the FLASHES 1945 wiping out Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They survived while the towns were vaporized? How lucky they were.

Indeed, very lucky. Bit like the residents of Dresden or Tokyo in WW2. Are you saying they are liars too? If not why not?

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So why does Japan play along in this hoax since 1945? Easy. Every Japanese is trained from birth to obey parents, family and authorities - without thinking. They don't give a damn and if they do, they will have problems.

Sounds more like it's just convenient for your conspiracy theories of you believe that.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1946/08/31/hiroshima
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 23, 2019, 09:53:09 AM


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Just listen to the Japanese that say they witnessed the FLASHES 1945 wiping out Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They survived while the towns were vaporized? How lucky they were.

Indeed, very lucky. Bit like the residents of Dresden or Tokyo in WW2. Are you saying they are liars too? If not why not?

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So why does Japan play along in this hoax since 1945? Easy. Every Japanese is trained from birth to obey parents, family and authorities - without thinking. They don't give a damn and if they do, they will have problems.

Sounds more like it's just convenient for your conspiracy theories of you believe that.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1946/08/31/hiroshima

Thanks for the New Yorker link. Just propaganda to scare! The article is about six survivors living less than a mile from ground zero, where all houses were destroyed, but they survived unscathed and could tell their strange stories. 

A friend of mine witnessed the Dresden bombing February 1945 from Freiberg i.Sa. 30 kms away. Dresden was burning. And I have later visited Dresden. No doubt it was bombed. But USA/UK didn't bomb Freiberg i.Sa. and my house there. In Freiberg NaziGermany/Hitler built air plane and V2 rocket parts until April 1945. Those were the days. I explain more at http://heiwaco.com .
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on June 23, 2019, 11:43:48 AM
I am not wrong.
Famous last words.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 24, 2019, 10:56:04 PM
I am not wrong.
Famous last words.
Thanks! As I always say - only twerps believe in nuclear bombs, human space travel, 911 top down global collapses and similar fantasies of US presidents.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on June 25, 2019, 01:27:56 PM
I am not wrong.
Famous last words.
Thanks! As I always say - only twerps believe in nuclear bombs, human space travel, 911 top down global collapses and similar fantasies of US presidents.
And only fools think that they're never wrong.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on June 27, 2019, 02:53:06 PM
I saw we take Heiwa, obtain a nuclear device, take him out in the middle of the desert, and tell him to prove who's right we'll remote detonate it and we'll see if he gets vaporized or not.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on June 27, 2019, 03:11:26 PM
I saw we take Heiwa, obtain a nuclear device, take him out in the middle of the desert, and tell him to prove who's right we'll remote detonate it and we'll see if he gets vaporized or not.
And tell him to  ??? ignite ??? the blue touch paper and run, real fast! Because he seems to think that you start a nuclear detonation by "igniting" something.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: frenat on June 27, 2019, 03:13:11 PM
I saw we take Heiwa, obtain a nuclear device, take him out in the middle of the desert, and tell him to prove who's right we'll remote detonate it and we'll see if he gets vaporized or not.

Nah, then he'd just come back as a senile old ghost that denies how he died and still can't do research.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on June 27, 2019, 03:25:38 PM
I saw we take Heiwa, obtain a nuclear device, take him out in the middle of the desert, and tell him to prove who's right we'll remote detonate it and we'll see if he gets vaporized or not.

Nah, then he'd just come back as a senile old ghost that denies how he died and still can't do research.

Like an uncool version of Obi-wan Kenobi?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: frenat on June 27, 2019, 04:07:29 PM
I saw we take Heiwa, obtain a nuclear device, take him out in the middle of the desert, and tell him to prove who's right we'll remote detonate it and we'll see if he gets vaporized or not.

Nah, then he'd just come back as a senile old ghost that denies how he died and still can't do research.

Like an uncool version of Obi-wan Kenobi?
Exactly.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 27, 2019, 07:50:33 PM
I saw we take Heiwa, obtain a nuclear device, take him out in the middle of the desert, and tell him to prove who's right we'll remote detonate it and we'll see if he gets vaporized or not.
And tell him to  ??? ignite ??? the blue touch paper and run, real fast! Because he seems to think that you start a nuclear detonation by "igniting" something.
Atomic bombs are ignited by compressing two pieces of metal with a neutron in between to double density to become a critical mass that becomes a FLASH and a mushroom cloud. Many Japanese living at Ground Zero in Hiroshima have witnessed it. Everyone died or was vaporized except them, because they were lucky. Imagine that.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on June 27, 2019, 09:29:51 PM
I saw we take Heiwa, obtain a nuclear device, take him out in the middle of the desert, and tell him to prove who's right we'll remote detonate it and we'll see if he gets vaporized or not.
And tell him to  ??? ignite ??? the blue touch paper and run, real fast! Because he seems to think that you start a nuclear detonation by "igniting" something.
Atomic bombs are ignited by compressing two pieces of metal with an electron in between to double density to become a critical mass that becomes a FLASH and a mushroom cloud. Many Japanese living at Ground Zero in Hiroshima have witnessed it. Everyone died or was vaporized except them, because they were lucky. Imagine that.
No they're not! Do you do stand up comedy or just on-line one-liners?
What a joke to think that "an electron in between" would make the slightest difference! 
And you're the joke, Heiwa, to even suggest that sort of trash!

Here's some light viewing for you,
Scott Manley: Going Nuclear - The Science Of Nuclear Weapons:

Part 1 - Just a Theory
       
Part 2 - Chain Reactions


Part 3 - Plutonium Implosion
       
Part 4 - The Incredible Shrinking Warhead

I'll omit hydrogen bombs as you might try to build one at home and we can't have that!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 28, 2019, 12:56:05 AM
I saw we take Heiwa, obtain a nuclear device, take him out in the middle of the desert, and tell him to prove who's right we'll remote detonate it and we'll see if he gets vaporized or not.
And tell him to  ??? ignite ??? the blue touch paper and run, real fast! Because he seems to think that you start a nuclear detonation by "igniting" something.
Atomic bombs are ignited by compressing two pieces of metal with an electron in between to double density to become a critical mass that becomes a FLASH and a mushroom cloud. Many Japanese living at Ground Zero in Hiroshima have witnessed it. Everyone died or was vaporized except them, because they were lucky. Imagine that.
No they're not! Do you do stand up comedy or just on-line one-liners?
What a joke to think that "an electron in between" would make the slightest difference! 
And you're the joke, Heiwa, to even suggest that sort of trash!

Here's some light viewing for you,
Scott Manley: Going Nuclear - The Science Of Nuclear Weapons:

Part 1 - Just a Theory
       
Part 2 - Chain Reactions


Part 3 - Plutonium Implosion
       
Part 4 - The Incredible Shrinking Warhead

I'll omit hydrogen bombs as you might try to build one at home and we can't have that!
The objective of the Manhattan project was to secretly build an atomic bomb to vaporize Japanese towns full of civilians in wars. It started 1942 and was run by the US Army. All was top secret BUT communist spies managed to steal all the information about the explosive, military fission. In the end the project was a fiasco so it was decided to fake an explosion using propaganda and fake news. Military explosive FLASH fission was born summer 1945. One problem remains summer 2019 - how to ignite it? I describe the fiasco and the bad science at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm . This Scott Manley masturbating about nuclear weapons science is a disgrace.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on June 28, 2019, 01:00:56 AM
I saw we take Heiwa, obtain a nuclear device, take him out in the middle of the desert, and tell him to prove who's right we'll remote detonate it and we'll see if he gets vaporized or not.
And tell him to  ??? ignite ??? the blue touch paper and run, real fast! Because he seems to think that you start a nuclear detonation by "igniting" something.
Atomic bombs are ignited by compressing two pieces of metal with an electron in between to double density to become a critical mass that becomes a FLASH and a mushroom cloud. Many Japanese living at Ground Zero in Hiroshima have witnessed it. Everyone died or was vaporized except them, because they were lucky. Imagine that.
No they're not! Do you do stand up comedy or just on-line one-liners?
What a joke to think that "an electron in between" would make the slightest difference! 
And you're the joke, Heiwa, to even suggest that sort of trash!

Here's some light viewing for you,
Scott Manley: Going Nuclear - The Science Of Nuclear Weapons:

Part 1 - Just a Theory
       
Part 2 - Chain Reactions


Part 3 - Plutonium Implosion
       
Part 4 - The Incredible Shrinking Warhead

I'll omit hydrogen bombs as you might try to build one at home and we can't have that!
<< Repeated garbage ignored >>
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on June 28, 2019, 09:43:51 AM
Atomic bombs are ignited...
How can you be an engineer and not understand the difference between ignition and detonation?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on June 28, 2019, 02:28:48 PM
Atomic bombs are ignited...
How can you be an engineer and not understand the difference between ignition and detonation?

Doesn't one involve pressing a button?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on June 28, 2019, 04:24:16 PM
Atomic bombs are ignited...
How can you be an engineer and not understand the difference between ignition and detonation?

Doesn't one involve pressing a button?
Not necessarily.  But one often involves lighting a match.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on June 29, 2019, 07:52:50 AM
Atomic bombs are ignited...
How can you be an engineer and not understand the difference between ignition and detonation?

Doesn't one involve pressing a button?
Not necessarily.  But one often involves lighting a match.

But Heiwa is so full of hot gas lighting a match wouldn't be a very good idea for him.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on June 29, 2019, 03:53:37 PM
Atomic bombs are ignited...
How can you be an engineer and not understand the difference between ignition and detonation?

Doesn't one involve pressing a button?
Not necessarily.  But one often involves lighting a match.

But Heiwa is so full of hot gas lighting a match wouldn't be a very good idea for him.
It might be fun to watch a "natural gas" powered rocket head for space - but Heiwa doesn't believe that safe reentry is possible. Tough, win some lose some.
Up he goes and where he lands, nobody knows!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 04, 2019, 01:26:42 PM
As far as I am concerned I cannot drop and ignite a nuclear weapon anywhere. And so can nobody else. incl. presidents of all sorts of countries. I think it is a great show - http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on July 05, 2019, 06:43:57 PM
As far as I am concerned I cannot drop and ignite a nuclear weapon anywhere.
As far as I am concerned, that is for a very good reason.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on July 05, 2019, 07:23:45 PM
As far as I am concerned I cannot drop and ignite a nuclear weapon anywhere.
Of course you can't because:
Quote from: Heiwa
And so can nobody else. incl. presidents of all sorts of countries.
Sorry, Mr Pretends-to-be-All-Knowing Anders Björkman, but just because YOU can't do something proves nothing!

There are numerous people the know infinitely more than you about nuclear weapons - that's not hard as you seem to know nothing.

But there are enough of Nuclear Physicists and Nuclear Engineers around that do know how build nuclear weapons and
too many presidents with the authority to deploy nuclear weapons that it's all too possible!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 06, 2019, 12:04:52 PM
As far as I am concerned I cannot drop and ignite a nuclear weapon anywhere.
Of course you can't because:
  • You don't have any nuclear weapons to drop and
  • nuclear weapons are not "ignited" but are detonated.
    I know it's not the same but I assume that you have exploded gelignite, dynamite, TNT or plastic explosive. Did you "ignite" that?

Quote from: Heiwa
And so can nobody else. incl. presidents of all sorts of countries.
Sorry, Mr Pretends-to-be-All-Knowing Anders Björkman, but just because YOU can't do something proves nothing!

There are numerous people the know infinitely more than you about nuclear weapons - that's not hard as you seem to know nothing.

But there are enough of Nuclear Physicists and Nuclear Engineers around that do know how build nuclear weapons and
too many presidents with the authority to deploy nuclear weapons that it's all too possible!
Only two towns have ever been subject to atom bombings - Hiroshima and Nagasaki - August 1945, but it was fake news and propaganda. Both towns were just destroyed by napalm bombs. And soon after the towns were rebuilt, etc, etc.
Only criminal 'survivors' have testified that both towns were vaporized by sudden FLASHES killing 100 000's of innocent civilians. Only war mongering idiots support these lies today. Incl. D. Trump and his staff.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on July 06, 2019, 12:12:15 PM
Only two towns have ever been subject to atom bombings - Hiroshima and Nagasaki - August 1945

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 07, 2019, 02:24:32 AM
Only two towns have ever been subject to atom bombings - Hiroshima and Nagasaki - August 1945
I have been there! No evidence of any US nuclear attacks to kill women/children apart from two museums full of garbage. What about you? Why do you love nuclear weapons killing civilians?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on July 07, 2019, 02:42:09 AM
Sorry, Mr Pretends-to-be-All-Knowing Anders Björkman, but just because YOU can't do something proves nothing!

There are numerous people the know infinitely more than you about nuclear weapons - that's not hard as you seem to know nothing.

But there are enough of Nuclear Physicists and Nuclear Engineers around that do know how build nuclear weapons and
too many presidents with the authority to deploy nuclear weapons that it's all too possible!
Only two towns have ever been subject to atom bombings - Hiroshima and Nagasaki - August 1945,
Agreed, so far!

Quote from: Heiwa
but it was fake news and propaganda. Both towns were just destroyed by napalm bombs.
Sorry, Mr Pretends-to-be-All-Knowing Anders Björkman, but just because YOU say something proves nothing!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 07, 2019, 05:00:04 AM
Sorry, Mr Pretends-to-be-All-Knowing Anders Björkman, but just because YOU can't do something proves nothing!

There are numerous people the know infinitely more than you about nuclear weapons - that's not hard as you seem to know nothing.

But there are enough of Nuclear Physicists and Nuclear Engineers around that do know how build nuclear weapons and
too many presidents with the authority to deploy nuclear weapons that it's all too possible!
Only two towns have ever been subject to atom bombings - Hiroshima and Nagasaki - August 1945,
Agreed, so far!

Quote from: Heiwa
but it was fake news and propaganda. Both towns were just destroyed by napalm bombs.
Sorry, Mr Pretends-to-be-All-Knowing Anders Björkman, but just because YOU say something proves nothing!
Only two towns have ever been subject to atom bombings - Hiroshima and Nagasaki - August 1945, but it was fake news and propaganda. Both towns were just destroyed by napalm bombs. And soon after the towns were rebuilt, etc, etc.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on July 07, 2019, 05:09:20 AM
So where you there when the bombs were detonated?

Let me answer that for you.  You weren't.  You were there decades after the city was rebuilt.  You act like nuclear weapons create permanent damage to buildings and things can't be rebuilt.  Did you expect them to leave the city as rubble and destroyed buildings?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on July 07, 2019, 05:52:01 PM
Sorry, Mr Pretends-to-be-All-Knowing Anders Björkman, but just because YOU say something proves nothing!
Only two towns have ever been subject to atom bombings - Hiroshima and Nagasaki - August 1945, but it was fake news and propaganda. Both towns were just destroyed by napalm bombs. And soon after the towns were rebuilt, etc, etc.
Atomic bombs do work, unfortunately!
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Atomic Heritage Foundation: Survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (https://www.atomicheritage.org/history/survivors-hiroshima-and-nagasaki)

Kimura Yoshihiro, in third grade at the time, saw the bomb fall from the plane. “Five or six seconds later, everything turned yellow. It was like I’d looked right at the sun. Then there was a big sound a second or two later and everything went dark”. Those at the epicenter of the blast were vaporized instantly. Others suffered horrific burns or were crushed by falling buildings. Hundreds threw themselves into the nearby river to escape the fires that burned throughout the city. As Doctor Michihiko Hachiya recalled, “Hiroshima was no longer a city, but a burnt-over prairie”. Sadako Kurihara also expressed the aftermath in her poem “Ruins”:

Hiroshima: nothing, nothing-

old and young burned to death,

city blown away,

socket without eyeball.

White bones scattered over reddish rubble;

above, sun burning down:

city of ruins, still as death.

One bomb fell from the plane - NOT many planes dropping thousands of bombs. Get that through your sick thick skull, Mr Pretends-to-be-All-Knowing Anders Björkman.

Carpet bombing with napalm does not cause "flash burns" and "flash shadows" like this!

Flash burns and shadows at Hiroshima, nine months later (silent, color, HD) by RestrictedData

Carpet bombing with napalm does not cause "flash burns" like this!
(https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S2468912217300457-gr3.jpg)
Fig. 3. The effects of VLL (visual light with long wavelength). (a) The design of her clothes was printed on her shoulder because of the heat. This means that visual light is absorbed in pigments for colored clothes. (b) Even superficial burns formed enormous keloids (Cited from Ref. [10], Permission by Elsevier, License No.: 4183510653941).
From: Nuclear flash burns: A review and consideration Teruichi Harada (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2468912217300457)

Now run off and try to hoodwink someone else.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 08, 2019, 12:15:20 AM
Sorry, Mr Pretends-to-be-All-Knowing Anders Björkman, but just because YOU say something proves nothing!
Only two towns have ever been subject to atom bombings - Hiroshima and Nagasaki - August 1945, but it was fake news and propaganda. Both towns were just destroyed by napalm bombs. And soon after the towns were rebuilt, etc, etc.
Atomic bombs do work, unfortunately!
Quote
Atomic Heritage Foundation: Survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (https://www.atomicheritage.org/history/survivors-hiroshima-and-nagasaki)

Kimura Yoshihiro, in third grade at the time, saw the bomb fall from the plane. “Five or six seconds later, everything turned yellow. It was like I’d looked right at the sun. Then there was a big sound a second or two later and everything went dark”. Those at the epicenter of the blast were vaporized instantly. Others suffered horrific burns or were crushed by falling buildings. Hundreds threw themselves into the nearby river to escape the fires that burned throughout the city. As Doctor Michihiko Hachiya recalled, “Hiroshima was no longer a city, but a burnt-over prairie”. Sadako Kurihara also expressed the aftermath in her poem “Ruins”:

Hiroshima: nothing, nothing-

old and young burned to death,

city blown away,

socket without eyeball.

White bones scattered over reddish rubble;

above, sun burning down:

city of ruins, still as death.

One bomb fell from the plane - NOT many planes dropping thousands of bombs. Get that through your sick thick skull, Mr Pretends-to-be-All-Knowing Anders Björkman.

Carpet bombing with napalm does not cause "flash burns" and "flash shadows" like this!

Flash burns and shadows at Hiroshima, nine months later (silent, color, HD) by RestrictedData

Carpet bombing with napalm does not cause "flash burns" like this!
(https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S2468912217300457-gr3.jpg)
Fig. 3. The effects of VLL (visual light with long wavelength). (a) The design of her clothes was printed on her shoulder because of the heat. This means that visual light is absorbed in pigments for colored clothes. (b) Even superficial burns formed enormous keloids (Cited from Ref. [10], Permission by Elsevier, License No.: 4183510653941).
From: Nuclear flash burns: A review and consideration Teruichi Harada (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2468912217300457)

Now run off and try to hoodwink someone else.
No - FLASH shadows and FLASH burns back in 1945 were Fake News then ... and today.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Round and Proud on July 10, 2019, 06:31:10 AM
Sorry, Mr Pretends-to-be-All-Knowing Anders Björkman, but just because YOU say something proves nothing!
Only two towns have ever been subject to atom bombings - Hiroshima and Nagasaki - August 1945, but it was fake news and propaganda. Both towns were just destroyed by napalm bombs. And soon after the towns were rebuilt, etc, etc.
Atomic bombs do work, unfortunately!
Quote
Atomic Heritage Foundation: Survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (https://www.atomicheritage.org/history/survivors-hiroshima-and-nagasaki)

Kimura Yoshihiro, in third grade at the time, saw the bomb fall from the plane. “Five or six seconds later, everything turned yellow. It was like I’d looked right at the sun. Then there was a big sound a second or two later and everything went dark”. Those at the epicenter of the blast were vaporized instantly. Others suffered horrific burns or were crushed by falling buildings. Hundreds threw themselves into the nearby river to escape the fires that burned throughout the city. As Doctor Michihiko Hachiya recalled, “Hiroshima was no longer a city, but a burnt-over prairie”. Sadako Kurihara also expressed the aftermath in her poem “Ruins”:

Hiroshima: nothing, nothing-

old and young burned to death,

city blown away,

socket without eyeball.

White bones scattered over reddish rubble;

above, sun burning down:

city of ruins, still as death.

One bomb fell from the plane - NOT many planes dropping thousands of bombs. Get that through your sick thick skull, Mr Pretends-to-be-All-Knowing Anders Björkman.

Carpet bombing with napalm does not cause "flash burns" and "flash shadows" like this!

Flash burns and shadows at Hiroshima, nine months later (silent, color, HD) by RestrictedData

Carpet bombing with napalm does not cause "flash burns" like this!
(https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S2468912217300457-gr3.jpg)
Fig. 3. The effects of VLL (visual light with long wavelength). (a) The design of her clothes was printed on her shoulder because of the heat. This means that visual light is absorbed in pigments for colored clothes. (b) Even superficial burns formed enormous keloids (Cited from Ref. [10], Permission by Elsevier, License No.: 4183510653941).
From: Nuclear flash burns: A review and consideration Teruichi Harada (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2468912217300457)

Now run off and try to hoodwink someone else.

Give it up. He is sure he knows because facing the truth is not something he can do. I spent 7 years working on nuclear weapons security. One doesn't create mountains of regulations for fake news or put people in jail for violating those fake regulations. 
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 10, 2019, 09:39:35 AM
Sorry, Mr Pretends-to-be-All-Knowing Anders Björkman, but just because YOU say something proves nothing!
Only two towns have ever been subject to atom bombings - Hiroshima and Nagasaki - August 1945, but it was fake news and propaganda. Both towns were just destroyed by napalm bombs. And soon after the towns were rebuilt, etc, etc.
Atomic bombs do work, unfortunately!
Quote
Atomic Heritage Foundation: Survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (https://www.atomicheritage.org/history/survivors-hiroshima-and-nagasaki)

Kimura Yoshihiro, in third grade at the time, saw the bomb fall from the plane. “Five or six seconds later, everything turned yellow. It was like I’d looked right at the sun. Then there was a big sound a second or two later and everything went dark”. Those at the epicenter of the blast were vaporized instantly. Others suffered horrific burns or were crushed by falling buildings. Hundreds threw themselves into the nearby river to escape the fires that burned throughout the city. As Doctor Michihiko Hachiya recalled, “Hiroshima was no longer a city, but a burnt-over prairie”. Sadako Kurihara also expressed the aftermath in her poem “Ruins”:

Hiroshima: nothing, nothing-

old and young burned to death,

city blown away,

socket without eyeball.

White bones scattered over reddish rubble;

above, sun burning down:

city of ruins, still as death.

One bomb fell from the plane - NOT many planes dropping thousands of bombs. Get that through your sick thick skull, Mr Pretends-to-be-All-Knowing Anders Björkman.

Carpet bombing with napalm does not cause "flash burns" and "flash shadows" like this!

Flash burns and shadows at Hiroshima, nine months later (silent, color, HD) by RestrictedData

Carpet bombing with napalm does not cause "flash burns" like this!
(https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S2468912217300457-gr3.jpg)
Fig. 3. The effects of VLL (visual light with long wavelength). (a) The design of her clothes was printed on her shoulder because of the heat. This means that visual light is absorbed in pigments for colored clothes. (b) Even superficial burns formed enormous keloids (Cited from Ref. [10], Permission by Elsevier, License No.: 4183510653941).
From: Nuclear flash burns: A review and consideration Teruichi Harada (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2468912217300457)

Now run off and try to hoodwink someone else.

Give it up. He is sure he knows because facing the truth is not something he can do. I spent 7 years working on nuclear weapons security. One doesn't create mountains of regulations for fake news or put people in jail for violating those fake regulations.
LOL
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Round and Proud on July 16, 2019, 02:28:36 PM
As far as I am concerned I cannot drop and ignite a nuclear weapon anywhere.
Of course you can't because:
  • You don't have any nuclear weapons to drop and
  • nuclear weapons are not "ignited" but are detonated.
    I know it's not the same but I assume that you have exploded gelignite, dynamite, TNT or plastic explosive. Did you "ignite" that?

Quote from: Heiwa
And so can nobody else. incl. presidents of all sorts of countries.
Sorry, Mr Pretends-to-be-All-Knowing Anders Björkman, but just because YOU can't do something proves nothing!

There are numerous people the know infinitely more than you about nuclear weapons - that's not hard as you seem to know nothing.

But there are enough of Nuclear Physicists and Nuclear Engineers around that do know how build nuclear weapons and
too many presidents with the authority to deploy nuclear weapons that it's all too possible!
Only two towns have ever been subject to atom bombings - Hiroshima and Nagasaki - August 1945, but it was fake news and propaganda. Both towns were just destroyed by napalm bombs. And soon after the towns were rebuilt, etc, etc.
Only criminal 'survivors' have testified that both towns were vaporized by sudden FLASHES killing 100 000's of innocent civilians. Only war mongering idiots support these lies today. Incl. D. Trump and his staff.

There were more than 200 atmospheric nuclear bomb tests conducted between 1945 and 1958 by the US and witnessed by more than 400,000 US Service members taking part in those tests. There is an untold number of people that witnessed them from a distance of about 100 miles. Clase closed.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 16, 2019, 09:35:31 PM
As far as I am concerned I cannot drop and ignite a nuclear weapon anywhere.
Of course you can't because:
  • You don't have any nuclear weapons to drop and
  • nuclear weapons are not "ignited" but are detonated.
    I know it's not the same but I assume that you have exploded gelignite, dynamite, TNT or plastic explosive. Did you "ignite" that?

Quote from: Heiwa
And so can nobody else. incl. presidents of all sorts of countries.
Sorry, Mr Pretends-to-be-All-Knowing Anders Björkman, but just because YOU can't do something proves nothing!

There are numerous people the know infinitely more than you about nuclear weapons - that's not hard as you seem to know nothing.

But there are enough of Nuclear Physicists and Nuclear Engineers around that do know how build nuclear weapons and
too many presidents with the authority to deploy nuclear weapons that it's all too possible!
Only two towns have ever been subject to atom bombings - Hiroshima and Nagasaki - August 1945, but it was fake news and propaganda. Both towns were just destroyed by napalm bombs. And soon after the towns were rebuilt, etc, etc.
Only criminal 'survivors' have testified that both towns were vaporized by sudden FLASHES killing 100 000's of innocent civilians. Only war mongering idiots support these lies today. Incl. D. Trump and his staff.

There were more than 200 atmospheric nuclear bomb tests conducted between 1945 and 1958 by the US and witnessed by more than 400,000 US Service members taking part in those tests. There is an untold number of people that witnessed them from a distance of about 100 miles. Clase closed.
No, there were 200 fake nuclear tests witnessed/done by 400 Hollywood actors/staff that then started faking the fake US space program ending in the great Apollo 11 show 50 years ago. Rotten cases still open ...
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Round and Proud on July 17, 2019, 03:28:37 AM
I suspected for a long time, but, now I know. You are suffering from a TBI.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on July 17, 2019, 07:09:17 AM
As far as I am concerned I cannot drop and ignite a nuclear weapon anywhere.
Of course you can't because:
  • You don't have any nuclear weapons to drop and
  • nuclear weapons are not "ignited" but are detonated.
    I know it's not the same but I assume that you have exploded gelignite, dynamite, TNT or plastic explosive. Did you "ignite" that?

Quote from: Heiwa
And so can nobody else. incl. presidents of all sorts of countries.
Sorry, Mr Pretends-to-be-All-Knowing Anders Björkman, but just because YOU can't do something proves nothing!

There are numerous people the know infinitely more than you about nuclear weapons - that's not hard as you seem to know nothing.

But there are enough of Nuclear Physicists and Nuclear Engineers around that do know how build nuclear weapons and
too many presidents with the authority to deploy nuclear weapons that it's all too possible!
Only two towns have ever been subject to atom bombings - Hiroshima and Nagasaki - August 1945, but it was fake news and propaganda. Both towns were just destroyed by napalm bombs. And soon after the towns were rebuilt, etc, etc.
Only criminal 'survivors' have testified that both towns were vaporized by sudden FLASHES killing 100 000's of innocent civilians. Only war mongering idiots support these lies today. Incl. D. Trump and his staff.

There were more than 200 atmospheric nuclear bomb tests conducted between 1945 and 1958 by the US and witnessed by more than 400,000 US Service members taking part in those tests. There is an untold number of people that witnessed them from a distance of about 100 miles. Clase closed.
No, there were 200 fake nuclear tests witnessed/done by 400 Hollywood actors/staff that then started faking the fake US space program ending in the great Apollo 11 show 50 years ago. Rotten cases still open ...
Did they fake dying from cancer because of the radioactive fallout too?
https://www.revealnews.org/article/us-veterans-in-secretive-nuclear-tests-still-fighting-for-recognition/
https://qz.com/1163140/us-nuclear-tests-killed-american-civilians-on-a-scale-comparable-to-hiroshima-and-nagasaki/
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/radiation/fallout-pdf
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/atomic-bomb-did-the-atom_b_797822
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 17, 2019, 10:54:50 AM
As far as I am concerned I cannot drop and ignite a nuclear weapon anywhere.
Of course you can't because:
  • You don't have any nuclear weapons to drop and
  • nuclear weapons are not "ignited" but are detonated.
    I know it's not the same but I assume that you have exploded gelignite, dynamite, TNT or plastic explosive. Did you "ignite" that?

Quote from: Heiwa
And so can nobody else. incl. presidents of all sorts of countries.
Sorry, Mr Pretends-to-be-All-Knowing Anders Björkman, but just because YOU can't do something proves nothing!

There are numerous people the know infinitely more than you about nuclear weapons - that's not hard as you seem to know nothing.

But there are enough of Nuclear Physicists and Nuclear Engineers around that do know how build nuclear weapons and
too many presidents with the authority to deploy nuclear weapons that it's all too possible!
Only two towns have ever been subject to atom bombings - Hiroshima and Nagasaki - August 1945, but it was fake news and propaganda. Both towns were just destroyed by napalm bombs. And soon after the towns were rebuilt, etc, etc.
Only criminal 'survivors' have testified that both towns were vaporized by sudden FLASHES killing 100 000's of innocent civilians. Only war mongering idiots support these lies today. Incl. D. Trump and his staff.

There were more than 200 atmospheric nuclear bomb tests conducted between 1945 and 1958 by the US and witnessed by more than 400,000 US Service members taking part in those tests. There is an untold number of people that witnessed them from a distance of about 100 miles. Clase closed.
No, there were 200 fake nuclear tests witnessed/done by 400 Hollywood actors/staff that then started faking the fake US space program ending in the great Apollo 11 show 50 years ago. Rotten cases still open ...
Did they fake dying from cancer because of the radioactive fallout too?
https://www.revealnews.org/article/us-veterans-in-secretive-nuclear-tests-still-fighting-for-recognition/
https://qz.com/1163140/us-nuclear-tests-killed-american-civilians-on-a-scale-comparable-to-hiroshima-and-nagasaki/
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/radiation/fallout-pdf
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/atomic-bomb-did-the-atom_b_797822
Thanks for asking. As no atomic bombs vaporized Hiroshima and Nagasaki August 1945 nobody there died of radiation or radioactive fallout. Fake News media published military propaganda to the contrary.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MicroBeta on July 17, 2019, 06:32:31 PM
I suspected for a long time, but, now I know. You are suffering from a TBI.
Actually, Anders did say he was severely brain damaged as a child but cured himself.

Yes, I have heard about OJ Simpson. But he is not the topic here.

Re me I am a nice, rich, good looking, intelligent, warm, social person. Of course I got brain damaged, when I was small - navy, sea mines, taught to kill people - but I cured myself.  http://heiwaco.com/vk12.htm .
You cured yourself of brain damage?

Yes! And I explain how at http://heiwaco.com/vk12.htm .

It took plenty time because I was very badly brain damaged up until, say 1988. Then it took another 15 years to heel myself.

I think I am fairly well cured today. But it took a lot of time.

He also claims to have a 200+ IQ and he considered going into physics...while at the same time being severely brain damaged...that he later cured himself of 40-ish years later. 

With my high IQ 200 I had to decide what to do 1964. Physics? I asked a Nobel Prize winner physics 1923 friend, MS, about it. He didn't recommend it! Most jobs you could get as a PhD was high school physics teacher - badly paid. Research? Very little serious research done and there was severe competition. And a lot of faked-up research was available! Atomic bomb explosive fission, bla, bla, bla! http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm ! And astrophysical space trips bla, bla, bla. http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm ! All nonsense. You become a member of a sect where you lie under the command of some high priest.
So MS recommended me to study mechanical sciences which I did. Naval architecture, marine engineering, structural analysis, etc! Better paid and with real problems to solve.
I have of course met nuclear physicists and asked them about explosive fission and how it works. I never got a real answer. Military secrets, Russian spies, yes, so no answers.
I have also met astrophysicists and asked them how you navigate in space among the Black Holes, etc. No real answers there, too.

If someone is truly "very badly brain damaged", they would never be accepted into the military, never get a masters in marine engineering, and could never start and run a business.  His claims are delusional.  So your TBI theory may not be far off.

BTW, a 200 IQ would make Anders one of the smartest people in history...just sayin'

Mike
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: boydster on July 17, 2019, 08:49:47 PM
Who's winning?

Heiwa. It's not even close.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Rayzor on July 18, 2019, 02:34:12 AM
Who's winning?

Heiwa. It's not even close.

Watching people trying to talk logic to Heiwa is like watching Einstein explain general relativity to a monkey.  He justs grunts and throws shit.

Heiwa wins by default.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 18, 2019, 04:49:34 AM
I suspected for a long time, but, now I know. You are suffering from a TBI.
Actually, Anders did say he was severely brain damaged as a child but cured himself.

Yes, I have heard about OJ Simpson. But he is not the topic here.

Re me I am a nice, rich, good looking, intelligent, warm, social person. Of course I got brain damaged, when I was small - navy, sea mines, taught to kill people - but I cured myself.  http://heiwaco.com/vk12.htm .
You cured yourself of brain damage?

Yes! And I explain how at http://heiwaco.com/vk12.htm .

It took plenty time because I was very badly brain damaged up until, say 1988. Then it took another 15 years to heel myself.

I think I am fairly well cured today. But it took a lot of time.

He also claims to have a 200+ IQ and he considered going into physics...while at the same time being severely brain damaged...that he later cured himself of 40-ish years later. 

With my high IQ 200 I had to decide what to do 1964. Physics? I asked a Nobel Prize winner physics 1923 friend, MS, about it. He didn't recommend it! Most jobs you could get as a PhD was high school physics teacher - badly paid. Research? Very little serious research done and there was severe competition. And a lot of faked-up research was available! Atomic bomb explosive fission, bla, bla, bla! http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm ! And astrophysical space trips bla, bla, bla. http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm ! All nonsense. You become a member of a sect where you lie under the command of some high priest.
So MS recommended me to study mechanical sciences which I did. Naval architecture, marine engineering, structural analysis, etc! Better paid and with real problems to solve.
I have of course met nuclear physicists and asked them about explosive fission and how it works. I never got a real answer. Military secrets, Russian spies, yes, so no answers.
I have also met astrophysicists and asked them how you navigate in space among the Black Holes, etc. No real answers there, too.

If someone is truly "very badly brain damaged", they would never be accepted into the military, never get a masters in marine engineering, and could never start and run a business.  His claims are delusional.  So your TBI theory may not be far off.

BTW, a 200 IQ would make Anders one of the smartest people in history...just sayin'

Mike
Hello Mikrobrain. Thanks for your contribution. But a correction - 1964 being tested for (Swedish) military service I met a cute girl part of the test team. Using my charm and good looks I convinced her to tell me the correct answers of the IQ tests, they used. To be frank - it was not necessary. I got the post I wanted anyway in the Swedish Navy ... and it hates me ever since I explained how the Swedish Navy managed to remove the visor of M/S Estonia 1994 - after it sank. http://heiwaco.com .
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on July 18, 2019, 07:32:00 AM
Hello Mikrobrain. Thanks for your contribution. But a correction - 1964 being tested for (Swedish) military service I met a cute girl part of the test team. Using my charm and good looks I convinced her to tell me the correct answers of the IQ tests, they used.
Big deal.  In 1983 I aced the US military IQ test (it topped out at 155) without cheating.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on July 18, 2019, 08:18:22 PM
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Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on July 19, 2019, 07:53:01 PM

What Happened to the Nuclear Test Sites? by Curious Droid
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on August 08, 2019, 08:14:02 PM
If Nuclear bombs existed than governments would be more worried. Detonate a nuclear bomb like device in the ionosphere and destroy the country below without destroying any buildings or giving anyone radiation poisoning. In fact, it would be far more efficient to detonate them in the ionosphere than on the ground because a smaller bomb could wreak  far more havoc for years. Even a bomb the size of the mythical Tsar Bomb would have a limited impact if detonated on the ground.

You also do not need to be precise or worry about it getting intercepted

If nuclear bombs existed, this style of warfare would be far more common place. The Russians or Chinese could wake up one day to find all their electronics fried and unable to work. Plunge them into the dark ages and cripple their economy/people without anyone knowing the truth

But given everyone is still able to turn the lights on I guess the bombs don't exist.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on August 08, 2019, 08:15:58 PM
If Nuclear bombs existed than governments would be more worried. Detonate a nuclear bomb like device in the ionosphere and destroy the country below without destroying any buildings or giving anyone radiation poisoning. In fact, it would be far more efficient to detonate them in the ionosphere than on the ground because a smaller bomb could wreak  far more havoc for years. Even a bomb the size of the mythical Tsar Bomb would have a limited impact if detonated on the ground.

You also do not need to be precise or worry about it getting intercepted

If nuclear bombs existed, this style of warfare would be far more common place. The Russians or Chinese could wake up one day to find all their electronics fried and unable to work. Plunge them into the dark ages and cripple their economy/people without anyone knowing the truth

But given everyone is still able to turn the lights on I guess the bombs don't exist.

Feel free to back up the claims made in this post.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on August 08, 2019, 08:30:54 PM
If Nuclear bombs existed than governments would be more worried. Detonate a nuclear bomb like device in the ionosphere and destroy the country below without destroying any buildings or giving anyone radiation poisoning. In fact, it would be far more efficient to detonate them in the ionosphere than on the ground because a smaller bomb could wreak  far more havoc for years. Even a bomb the size of the mythical Tsar Bomb would have a limited impact if detonated on the ground.

You also do not need to be precise or worry about it getting intercepted

If nuclear bombs existed, this style of warfare would be far more common place. The Russians or Chinese could wake up one day to find all their electronics fried and unable to work. Plunge them into the dark ages and cripple their economy/people without anyone knowing the truth

But given everyone is still able to turn the lights on I guess the bombs don't exist.

Feel free to back up the claims made in this post.

So you are suggesting that a nuclear bomb detonated in the ionosphere would not act like an EMP bomb in the slightest? OK.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on August 08, 2019, 08:45:56 PM
I made no claims of sort. I just want you to back up your claims.


And yes, the movie Goldeneye exists.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on August 08, 2019, 08:59:46 PM
I made no claims of sort. I just want you to back up your claims.


And yes, the movie Goldeneye exists.

I have not seen this Goldeneye movie. Yet you are a fool if you think a nuclear warhead detonation in the ionosphere would not fry electronics below.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse

This article is mostly right. You get the jist. If a bomb exploded on the ground 200 miles from you, life for you goes on for the most part. If exploded 200 miles above you, your entire country faces an existential crisis.


Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on August 08, 2019, 09:06:13 PM
Once again, I made no claims about anything.

Ok you provided evidence about a nuke and EMP.

Now do you have evidence that if nukes existed they would be used as an EMP?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on August 08, 2019, 09:27:47 PM
Once again, I made no claims about anything.

Ok you provided evidence about a nuke and EMP.

Now do you have evidence that if nukes existed they would be used as an EMP?

There is no reason any nuke couldn't be used as an EMP. In fact, it would be far more feasible to use them as an EMP.

For example, North Korea or Iran, could never hope to obtain enough bombs to completely destroy America, especially to a point America could not retaliate. Even if they did miraculously pull off a precision strike, they would need dozens of warheads striking at the same time to inflict enough damage. Then there is the resulting damage by essentially wiping out entire ecosystems and radiation/nuclear winter from so many war head detonations.

You could fire a nuclear warhead from a piece of shit container vessel and it does not even need to be accurate. It does not need to come back down and the risk it could be intercepted is almost nil. It is far easier and a lot more damage can be done to the populous with just one bomb. It also means that a retaliatory strike may be of a similar nature rather than a ground based detonation that incinerates much of the populous. Do you think North Korea would give as much of a shit to have its electronics fried? They can barely even maintain their electricity grid now anyway.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on August 08, 2019, 10:33:27 PM
Ok terrific.

You made the claim Russia hasn’t nuked China or the US so nukes don’t exist.

This is what I want you to back up.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on August 08, 2019, 11:23:32 PM
Ok terrific.

You made the claim Russia hasn’t nuked China or the US so nukes don’t exist.

This is what I want you to back up.

Why would China nuke Russia? Why would Russia nuke the US? America nuking others seems a lot more plausible.... Yet here we are. China is continuing to rise as a global economic and military power house, Russia ever an antagonistic thorn in the side of America. North Korea and Iran, threating death and destruction to all of America. All could be crippled at the flick of a switch and you have Trump - an unhinged narcissistic psychopath who miraculously and uncharacteristically just lets them go about their business in trampling America and its interests?

There is no physical evidence that I could bring to the table on this online forum to 'back it up'. But I can bring logic to the table.

Logically, if nuclear bombs were in existence, we would have seen them used as EMPs. I can get why we wouldn't see them used on the ground - no one wants to put their name to that level of physical destruction but an EMP is silent and unseen.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 09, 2019, 03:31:06 PM
Ok terrific.

You made the claim Russia hasn’t nuked China or the US so nukes don’t exist.

This is what I want you to back up.

Why would China nuke Russia? Why would Russia nuke the US?
Why would they have nukes in the first place if not to use them?  Nukes serve best as a deterrent.  If you don't use your's on me, then I won't use mine on you.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 09, 2019, 03:35:06 PM
Who's winning?

Heiwa. It's not even close.

 ;D
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 09, 2019, 06:41:21 PM
Who's winning?

Heiwa. It's not even close.


 ;D
Hm, I have just up-dated http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm about the annual, August nuclear shows in Japan about who won ... WW2, etc. Was it the Shintoists or the Christians?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on April 23, 2020, 04:48:25 AM
What the fuck, nukes are real, idiots
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on April 23, 2020, 07:34:19 AM
What the fuck, nukes are real, idiots
We have been struggling to convince Heiwa that they are real for years.

But it seems your elegant words may finally have done it.

If only we could dance with language the way you do.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on April 23, 2020, 07:36:12 AM
What the fuck, nukes are real, idiots
We have been struggling to convince Heiwa that they are real for years.

But it seems your elegant words may finally have done it.

If only we could dance with language the way you do.

No, I was suprised there are people *this* dumb. Did heiwa mention "motionless clouds"? :D :)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on April 23, 2020, 07:47:37 AM
What the fuck, nukes are real, idiots
We have been struggling to convince Heiwa that they are real for years.

But it seems your elegant words may finally have done it.

If only we could dance with language the way you do.

No, I was suprised there are people *this* dumb. Did heiwa mention "motionless clouds"? :D :)

There are several threads dedicated to the stupid that is Heiwa.  Just to give you a history on Heiwa.  Heiwa is the name of a shit "Safety at Sea" company by one Anders Bjor.... (Fuck I'm not going to look up how he spells his name).  Anders became a crackpot conspiracy theorist around 1998 sometime after the US Coast Guard said that his shit tanker design was shit and wasn't allowed in US Coastal Waters.  He makes insane claims to include having millions of euros and panders his conspiracies on his website that he also uses for his "business".   He's also a fake Frenchman from Sweden.  (He is Swedish, lives in France, hates the Swedish government).

That's about it.  Also don't ever go to his actual webpage, use the web archive.  He thinks its popular because he has a visit counter that counts all the bots.  No reason to support his delusions.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on April 23, 2020, 02:04:44 PM
Nuclear weapons do not switch off street lights. I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .

Yes it did,
I was an eye witness: The flash of Nuclear bomb turn the sensors of the street lights off then it went dark the street lights came back on.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on April 23, 2020, 03:38:50 PM
And people in Las Vegas saw nukes detonate. I was dialy life, but they are all shills, let me guess O0

And if you agree that they saw something, you need to agree there is entire infrastructure build in order to have THOUSANDS od tons of TNT brought to place


And Nevada Test site in approx 80 km off Las Vegas, so shoud curve of earth make bottoms of Mushrom clouds hidden? ;)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on April 28, 2020, 10:04:11 AM
Nuclear weapons do not switch off street lights. I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .

Yes it did,
I was an eye witness: The flash of Nuclear bomb turn the sensors of the street lights off then it went dark the street lights came back on.
Heiwa can you explain what I saw?
The intensity of the light was bright, like a flash of a camera, that lasted about three seconds.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on April 28, 2020, 03:27:31 PM
And people in Las Vegas saw nukes detonate. I was dialy life, but they are all shills, let me guess O0

And if you agree that they saw something, you need to agree there is entire infrastructure build in order to have THOUSANDS od tons of TNT brought to place


And Nevada Test site in approx 80 km off Las Vegas, so shoud curve of earth make bottoms of Mushrom clouds hidden? ;)

Just detonate the bomb several hundred metres above the surface. Much wider area of destruction too (while less fallout on the surface)

I also think the explosion of TNT, even if you packed enough to yeild the same energy, would look different to an atomic bomb explosion
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 28, 2020, 03:54:30 PM
And Nevada Test site in approx 80 km off Las Vegas, so shoud curve of earth make bottoms of Mushrom clouds hidden? ;)

At 40,000 feet (12 KM) high, from 65 miles (104 KM) away, no problem seeing the mushroom cloud.

(https://iconicphotos.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/energy1113-lasvegascloud-06241957-600w_d5f4387be4.jpg)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on April 29, 2020, 11:11:03 AM
And people in Las Vegas saw nukes detonate. I was dialy life, but they are all shills, let me guess O0

And if you agree that they saw something, you need to agree there is entire infrastructure build in order to have THOUSANDS od tons of TNT brought to place


And Nevada Test site in approx 80 km off Las Vegas, so shoud curve of earth make bottoms of Mushrom clouds hidden? ;)

Just detonate the bomb several hundred metres above the surface. Much wider area of destruction too (while less fallout on the surface)

I also think the explosion of TNT, even if you packed enough to yeild the same energy, would look different to an atomic bomb explosion

Explosion is explosion, they look same. And most of bombs detonaded there were weak
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on April 29, 2020, 02:01:23 PM
And people in Las Vegas saw nukes detonate. I was dialy life, but they are all shills, let me guess O0

And if you agree that they saw something, you need to agree there is entire infrastructure build in order to have THOUSANDS od tons of TNT brought to place


And Nevada Test site in approx 80 km off Las Vegas, so shoud curve of earth make bottoms of Mushrom clouds hidden? ;)

Just detonate the bomb several hundred metres above the surface. Much wider area of destruction too (while less fallout on the surface)

I also think the explosion of TNT, even if you packed enough to yeild the same energy, would look different to an atomic bomb explosion

Explosion is explosion, they look same. And most of bombs detonaded there were weak

So a million tonnes of TNT will yield the same blinding flash and temperatures hotter than the core of the sun? Will it set trees on fire 40km away? At least no radioactive fallout is assured.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on April 29, 2020, 03:05:41 PM
And people in Las Vegas saw nukes detonate. I was dialy life, but they are all shills, let me guess O0

And if you agree that they saw something, you need to agree there is entire infrastructure build in order to have THOUSANDS od tons of TNT brought to place


And Nevada Test site in approx 80 km off Las Vegas, so shoud curve of earth make bottoms of Mushrom clouds hidden? ;)

Just detonate the bomb several hundred metres above the surface. Much wider area of destruction too (while less fallout on the surface)

I also think the explosion of TNT, even if you packed enough to yeild the same energy, would look different to an atomic bomb explosion

Explosion is explosion, they look same. And most of bombs detonaded there were weak

So a million tonnes of TNT will yield the same blinding flash and temperatures hotter than the core of the sun? Will it set trees on fire 40km away? At least no radioactive fallout is assured.

Well you can't definitively say no to those questions.

It's an unknown as no one has ever exploded even 22,000 tons of TNT at one instance, let alone 1,000,000 tons.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on April 29, 2020, 03:17:20 PM
And people in Las Vegas saw nukes detonate. I was dialy life, but they are all shills, let me guess O0

And if you agree that they saw something, you need to agree there is entire infrastructure build in order to have THOUSANDS od tons of TNT brought to place


And Nevada Test site in approx 80 km off Las Vegas, so shoud curve of earth make bottoms of Mushrom clouds hidden? ;)

Just detonate the bomb several hundred metres above the surface. Much wider area of destruction too (while less fallout on the surface)

I also think the explosion of TNT, even if you packed enough to yeild the same energy, would look different to an atomic bomb explosion

Explosion is explosion, they look same. And most of bombs detonaded there were weak

So a million tonnes of TNT will yield the same blinding flash and temperatures hotter than the core of the sun? Will it set trees on fire 40km away? At least no radioactive fallout is assured.

Well you can't definitively say no to those questions.

It's an unknown as no one has ever exploded even 22,000 tons of TNT at one instance, let alone 1,000,000 tons.
what is the volume of 1,000,000 tones of TNT?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on April 29, 2020, 04:27:58 PM
And people in Las Vegas saw nukes detonate. I was dialy life, but they are all shills, let me guess O0

And if you agree that they saw something, you need to agree there is entire infrastructure build in order to have THOUSANDS od tons of TNT brought to place


And Nevada Test site in approx 80 km off Las Vegas, so shoud curve of earth make bottoms of Mushrom clouds hidden? ;)

Just detonate the bomb several hundred metres above the surface. Much wider area of destruction too (while less fallout on the surface)

I also think the explosion of TNT, even if you packed enough to yeild the same energy, would look different to an atomic bomb explosion

Explosion is explosion, they look same. And most of bombs detonaded there were weak

So a million tonnes of TNT will yield the same blinding flash and temperatures hotter than the core of the sun? Will it set trees on fire 40km away? At least no radioactive fallout is assured.

Well you can't definitively say no to those questions.

It's an unknown as no one has ever exploded even 22,000 tons of TNT at one instance, let alone 1,000,000 tons.
what is the volume of 1,000,000 tones of TNT?

Well assuming I did the calculation right.

TNT has a density of 1.65g/cm3

1 ton = 907185g

1 ton of TNT has a volume of 549,809.0909 cm3

So 1,000,000 tons of TNT would have a volume of 549809090909 cm3  or 549809.090909m3
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on April 29, 2020, 07:02:47 PM
And people in Las Vegas saw nukes detonate. I was dialy life, but they are all shills, let me guess O0

And if you agree that they saw something, you need to agree there is entire infrastructure build in order to have THOUSANDS od tons of TNT brought to place

And Nevada Test site in approx 80 km off Las Vegas, so shoud curve of earth make bottoms of Mushrom clouds hidden? ;)

Just detonate the bomb several hundred metres above the surface. Much wider area of destruction too (while less fallout on the surface)

I also think the explosion of TNT, even if you packed enough to yeild the same energy, would look different to an atomic bomb explosion

Explosion is explosion, they look same. And most of bombs detonaded there were weak
I hope that you are being sarcastic, but:

No, they do not look quite the same and there are many other differences including the usual double initial fast flash of intense UV radiation, visible light and IR radiation, see Flash blindness (http://www.atomicarchive.com/Effects/effects13.shtml). This can cause fires and severe flash burns to people far outside the blast zone.

Horrifying "Shadows" on a wall bleached by the intense initial flash!
I hope you like this sort of poetry :(.
Atomic bombs do work, unfortunately!
Quote
Atomic Heritage Foundation: Survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (https://www.atomicheritage.org/history/survivors-hiroshima-and-nagasaki)

Kimura Yoshihiro, in third grade at the time, saw the bomb fall from the plane. “Five or six seconds later, everything turned yellow. It was like I’d looked right at the sun. Then there was a big sound a second or two later and everything went dark”. Those at the epicenter of the blast were vaporized instantly. Others suffered horrific burns or were crushed by falling buildings. Hundreds threw themselves into the nearby river to escape the fires that burned throughout the city. As Doctor Michihiko Hachiya recalled, “Hiroshima was no longer a city, but a burnt-over prairie”. Sadako Kurihara also expressed the aftermath in her poem “Ruins”:

Hiroshima: nothing, nothing-

old and young burned to death,

city blown away,

socket without eyeball.

White bones scattered over reddish rubble;

above, sun burning down:

city of ruins, still as death.

One bomb fell from the plane - NOT many planes dropping thousands of bombs.

Flash burns and shadows at Hiroshima, nine months later (silent, color, HD) by RestrictedData

Carpet bombing with napalm does not cause "flash burns" like this!
(https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S2468912217300457-gr3.jpg)
Fig. 3. The effects of VLL (visual light with long wavelength). (a) The design of her clothes was printed on her shoulder because of the heat. This means that visual light is absorbed in pigments for colored clothes. (b) Even superficial burns formed enormous keloids (Cited from Ref. [10], Permission by Elsevier, License No.: 4183510653941).
From: Nuclear flash burns: A review and consideration Teruichi Harada (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2468912217300457)


(http://nowiknow.com/wp-content/uploads/hiroshima_shadow_2.png)
You might read more in: The shadows of Hiroshima: Haunting imprints of people killed by the blast (https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/155844/the-shadows-of-hiroshima-haunting-imprints-of-people-killed-by-the-blast/)
IS Nuclear Power Exaggerated?

(https://media.definition.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/RPFH_BlindChildAtomicBomb.jpg)
This startling and heartbreaking image shows a young girl who survived
but was blinded by the atomic bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima, Japan, on Aug. 6, 1945.

Nuclear weapons are not exaggerated and their effects are devastating and sickening.
Conventional explosives don't do that nor this:
A mixture of tritium and deuterium, both from lithium deuteride and a lot of hitech stuff and ka-boom!


The World's Biggest Nuclear Bomb Ever Dropped - Tsar Bomba

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 01, 2020, 03:42:22 PM
So 1,000,000 tons of TNT would have a volume of 549809090909 cm3  or 549809.090909m3
Or, a cube roughly 82m (or 270') per side.

Or, a sphere roughly 101m (or 330') in diameter.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 02, 2020, 02:23:21 AM
As my friend Ivan Serov always said to me. It is very easy to fool the whole world, when you control media. Ivan was the best. And his pupil Vladimir Putin learnt it all from him. And there we are today. Question is ... will D. Trump learn?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on May 02, 2020, 04:02:12 AM
As my friend Ivan Serov always said to me. It is very easy to fool the whole world, when you control media. Ivan was the best. And his pupil Vladimir Putin learnt it all from him. And there we are today. Question is ... will D. Trump learn?

Why won't you admit nukes are real?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 02, 2020, 04:56:20 AM
As my friend Ivan Serov always said to me. It is very easy to fool the whole world, when you control media. Ivan was the best. And his pupil Vladimir Putin learnt it all from him. And there we are today. Question is ... will D. Trump learn?

Why won't you admit nukes are real?
Because I know Ivan Serov (and Stalin and Beria) invented the Soviet a-bomb 1945/9 to impress USA. It was just propaganda then ... and today. 
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on May 02, 2020, 05:36:19 AM
As my friend Ivan Serov always said to me. It is very easy to fool the whole world, when you control media. Ivan was the best. And his pupil Vladimir Putin learnt it all from him. And there we are today. Question is ... will D. Trump learn?

Why won't you admit nukes are real?
Because I know Ivan Serov (and Stalin and Beria) invented the Soviet a-bomb 1945/9 to impress USA. It was just propaganda then ... and today.

Why didn't USA "expoise" USSR?

Beacise they derected it with siezmology!

And are you flat earther?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 02, 2020, 07:43:19 AM
As my friend Ivan Serov always said to me. It is very easy to fool the whole world, when you control media. Ivan was the best. And his pupil Vladimir Putin learnt it all from him. And there we are today. Question is ... will D. Trump learn?

Why won't you admit nukes are real?
Because I know Ivan Serov (and Stalin and Beria) invented the Soviet a-bomb 1945/9 to impress USA. It was just propaganda then ... and today.

Why didn't USA "expoise" USSR?

Beacise they derected it with siezmology!

And are you flat earther?
No I am a fan of Ivan Serov. Ivan (b.1905) was of course a real, Russian gangster all his life killing people right and left BUT he was good at creating propaganda to please his bosses. His masterpiece was the communist nuclear bomb 1949 until today! Ivan died 1990. Ivan created the Wismut AG in Saxony, Germany. It was a company doing nothing but it needed some actors to create an illusion. Peace! Friede! Apartments were built and ... one complex even had tennis courts!!! The Saxons loved sport.
Ivan's friends at the CIA were also very happy for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 03, 2020, 04:40:53 AM
Why didn't USA "expose" USSR?

Because they detected it with seismology!

And are you flat earther?
No I am a fan of Ivan Serov. Ivan (b.1905) was of course a real, Russian gangster all his life killing people right and left BUT he was good at creating propaganda to please his bosses. His masterpiece was the communist nuclear bomb 1949 until today! Ivan died 1990. Ivan created the Wismut AG in Saxony, Germany. It was a company doing nothing but it needed some actors to create an illusion. Peace! Friede! Apartments were built and ... one complex even had tennis courts!!! The Saxons loved sport.
Ivan's friends at the CIA were also very happy for obvious reasons.
Being a fan of Ivan Serov you are probably as good a liar and propagandist as he too.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 03, 2020, 09:22:57 AM
Why didn't USA "expose" USSR?

Because they detected it with seismology!

And are you flat earther?
No I am a fan of Ivan Serov. Ivan (b.1905) was of course a real, Russian gangster all his life killing people right and left BUT he was good at creating propaganda to please his bosses. His masterpiece was the communist nuclear bomb 1949 until today! Ivan died 1990. Ivan created the Wismut AG in Saxony, Germany. It was a company doing nothing but it needed some actors to create an illusion. Peace! Friede! Apartments were built and ... one complex even had tennis courts!!! The Saxons loved sport.
Ivan's friends at the CIA were also very happy for obvious reasons.
Being a fan of Ivan Serov you are probably as good a liar and propagandist as he too.
No, but I know people that worked for and assisted Serov with the a-bomb hoax 1948/58 in GDR (object 11 of Wismut AG) and it ended badly for them due to Stasi (East German secret police). Serov ended up as chief of KGB, i.e. the Soviet CIA  (today FSB) that worked with CIA to keep the hoax going ... until today. So when GDR/Stasi collapsed 1990 guess who got the Stasi records of their secret agents. Answer is ... CIA.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Denspressure on May 03, 2020, 09:24:38 AM
We need to remember that Heiwa got banned from the Cluesforum because he spoke too much nonsense...

That is how fucking bad it went down on there.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 03, 2020, 02:48:54 PM
Being a fan of Ivan Serov you are probably as good a liar and propagandist as he too.
No, but I know people that worked for and assisted Serov with the a-bomb hoax 1948/58 in GDR (object 11 of Wismut AG) and it ended badly for them due to Stasi (East German secret police). Serov ended up as chief of KGB, i.e. the Soviet CIA  (today FSB) that worked with CIA to keep the hoax going ... until today. So when GDR/Stasi collapsed 1990 guess who got the Stasi records of their secret agents. Answer is ... CIA.
Are you sure that you aren't the one who was hoaxed? It sure sounds like it.

Nuclear explosions can be differentiated from other seismic events by the spectra of the events and many other ways.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 03, 2020, 08:01:16 PM
Being a fan of Ivan Serov you are probably as good a liar and propagandist as he too.
No, but I know people that worked for and assisted Serov with the a-bomb hoax 1948/58 in GDR (object 11 of Wismut AG) and it ended badly for them due to Stasi (East German secret police). Serov ended up as chief of KGB, i.e. the Soviet CIA  (today FSB) that worked with CIA to keep the hoax going ... until today. So when GDR/Stasi collapsed 1990 guess who got the Stasi records of their secret agents. Answer is ... CIA.
Are you sure that you aren't the one who was hoaxed? It sure sounds like it.

Nuclear explosions can be differentiated from other seismic events by the spectra of the events and many other ways.
Just prove that a 'nuclear explosion' can take place in a laboratory with me and you as witnesses and we can discuss. Just a small one - POUFF!
Nuclear explosions in remote deserts or on isolated islands controlled by military forces do not count. They are all photo shop! To fool people.
And seismic events? Everyone knows what an earthquake is. It lasts a long time when the the earth crust moves. A nuclear explosion (in air) lasts a nano-second and doesn't produce any seismic events.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 03, 2020, 09:10:33 PM
Are you sure that you aren't the one who was hoaxed? It sure sounds like it.

Nuclear explosions can be differentiated from other seismic events by the spectra of the events and many other ways.
Just prove that a 'nuclear explosion' can take place in a laboratory with me and you as witnesses and we can discuss. Just a small one - POUFF!
Are you a total idiot!
Even the few accidental over-critical accidents were bad enough. The small nuclear detonation would be close to Hiroshima sized disaster the "Mk-54 (Davy Crockett): 10 or 20 ton yield, Davy Crockett Gun warhead"

Quote from: Heiwa
Nuclear explosions in remote deserts or on isolated islands controlled by military forces do not count.
events.
Of course they are "in remote deserts or on isolated islands controlled by military forces", where else would they be - In the physic's lab at UCB?

Quote from: Heiwa
They are all photo shop! To fool people.
And where is your evidence for that.
Ask the people that lived in Nevada within sight of nuclear blasts there.
Ask the Australia soldiers who were near the nuclear tests at Montebello Island - those that haven't died of some type of cancer.

Quote from: Heiwa
And seismic events? Everyone knows what an earthquake is. It lasts a long time when the the earth crust moves. A nuclear explosion (in air) lasts a nano-second and doesn't produce any seismic events.
What totally ignorant trash! Where did your drag all this ridiculous misinformation from - your drug addled brain?

"A nuclear explosion (in air)" does not only "last a nano-second and" does produce enormous "seismic events".
"The duration of this positive phase increases with yield and distance from ground zero and ranges from 0.2 to 0.5 sec for a 1 KT nuclear air burst to 4 to 10 sec for a 10 Mt explosion. This compares with only a few hundredths of a second for the duration of a blast wave from a conventional high-explosive detonation." from: EFFECTS OF NUCLEAR EXPLOSIONS (https://fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/doctrine/dod/fm8-9/1ch3.htm)

You sound like a classic case of cognitive-dissonance combine with severe Dunning-Kruger Syndrome!

And

Read this:
Quote from: Berkeley  Seismology Lab
Of Nuclear Bombs and Earthquakes (https://seismo.berkeley.edu/blog/2009/05/25/of-nuclear-bombs-and-earthquakes.html)
Underground detonations of nuclear weapons can be detected like earthquakes for a simple physical reason. In both cases - either when rocks rupture in a quake or during the explosion - very strong forces rapidly act inside the Earth. This leads to intensive shaking of the rocks around the hypocenter, which in turn generates elastic waves. They can travel thousands of miles and are detected by sensitive seismometers.

Figure 2: Moment tensor for the North Korea seismic event of 25 May 2009 calculated by Prof. Doug Dreger using the BSL's complete waveform regional moment tensor code for a source depth of 800m. The seismic waves from this event are consistent with a shallow explosion source.

There are, however, major differences between the seismograms of natural tectonic earthquakes and those of explosions. Firstly, the waveforms look very different. While an earthquake generates strong S-Waves, the seismograms of underground nuclear test lack most of these waves. Instead, the P- (or primary or pressure) waves dominate the seismogram from the detonation of an atomic bomb below ground (see figure 1).
(http://seismo.berkeley.edu/gifs/NK_LLNL.jpg)

<< Updated low yield. >>
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on May 03, 2020, 09:20:09 PM
Haha.  A nuclear explosion in a laboratory for you to witness up close and personal.    It isn't flash paper, Heiwa.  It doesn't go poof.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 03, 2020, 11:54:37 PM
Haha.  A nuclear explosion in a laboratory for you to witness up close and personal.    It isn't flash paper, Heiwa.  It doesn't go poof.
Well, to convince me that nuclear fission is explosive and that nuclear bombs are real, I need to see a test and best place is a laboratory with a 1 gram TNT equivalent atomic bomb explosion. For that you only need nano-grams of Uranium 235.

I know crazy people need 20 000 tons TNT equivalency and 60+ kg of Uranium 235 and a test in the middle of Sahara, but it is not my style. No much better a mini test.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 04, 2020, 12:07:22 AM

Read this:
Quote from: Berkeley  Seismology Lab
Of Nuclear Bombs and Earthquakes (https://seismo.berkeley.edu/blog/2009/05/25/of-nuclear-bombs-and-earthquakes.html)
Underground detonations of nuclear weapons can be detected like earthquakes for a simple physical reason. In both cases - either when rocks rupture in a quake or during the explosion - very strong forces rapidly act inside the Earth. This leads to intensive shaking of the rocks around the hypocenter, which in turn generates elastic waves. They can travel thousands of miles and are detected by sensitive seismometers.


LOL. An earth quake lasts several minutes and involves great moving masses of Earth crust and energies released. They take place every day. When I lived in Japan I experiences them frequently. No seismometer was required.

An atomic bomb explosion in air is just a FLASH that lasts a nano-second + mushroom cloud and has nothing in common with an earthquake. An underground bomb explosion at say 500 m depth (below an atoll at sea) is similar but no flash/mushroom cloud. And the water above may move and spill out of the atoll ... but it has never been seen ... except of one photo where a ridiculous water mushroom is seen. You'll find the fake photo on the Internet.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 04, 2020, 01:08:01 AM
Haha.  A nuclear explosion in a laboratory for you to witness up close and personal.    It isn't flash paper, Heiwa.  It doesn't go poof.
Well, to convince me that nuclear fission is explosive and that nuclear bombs are real, I need to see a test and best place is a laboratory with a 1 gram TNT equivalent atomic bomb explosion. For that you only need nano-grams of Uranium 235.
And crazy people demand what is, at present, not possible!

The smallest nuclear weapon at present is the "Mk-54 (Davy Crockett): 10 or 20 ton yield, Davy Crockett Gun warhead".
Smaller yields have been hypothesised but it implemented.

Quote from: Heiwa
I know crazy people need 20 000 tons TNT equivalency and 60+ kg of Uranium 235 and a test in the middle of Sahara, but it is not my style. No much better a mini test.
Tough but but below the 10 or 20 ton yield of the Mk-54 isn't available but try that in your kitchen If you like.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 04, 2020, 01:58:02 AM
Haha.  A nuclear explosion in a laboratory for you to witness up close and personal.    It isn't flash paper, Heiwa.  It doesn't go poof.
Well, to convince me that nuclear fission is explosive and that nuclear bombs are real, I need to see a test and best place is a laboratory with a 1 gram TNT equivalent atomic bomb explosion. For that you only need nano-grams of Uranium 235.
And crazy people demand what is, at present, not possible!

The smallest nuclear weapon at present is the "Mk-54 (Davy Crockett): 10 or 20 ton yield, Davy Crockett Gun warhead".
Smaller yields have been hypothesised but it implemented.

Quote from: Heiwa
I know crazy people need 20 000 tons TNT equivalency and 60+ kg of Uranium 235 and a test in the middle of Sahara, but it is not my style. No much better a mini test.
Tough but but below the 10 or 20 ton yield of the Mk-54 isn't available but try that in your kitchen If you like.
LOL I still just ask for a 1 gram yield in a US laboratory.
And my kitchen? It is used for other things.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 04, 2020, 02:35:33 AM

Read this:
Quote from: Berkeley  Seismology Lab
Of Nuclear Bombs and Earthquakes (https://seismo.berkeley.edu/blog/2009/05/25/of-nuclear-bombs-and-earthquakes.html)
Underground detonations of nuclear weapons can be detected like earthquakes for a simple physical reason. In both cases - either when rocks rupture in a quake or during the explosion - very strong forces rapidly act inside the Earth. This leads to intensive shaking of the rocks around the hypocenter, which in turn generates elastic waves. They can travel thousands of miles and are detected by sensitive seismometers.

LOL. An earth quake lasts several minutes and involve great moving masses of Earth crust and energies released. They take place every day. When I lived in Japan I experiences them frequently. No seismometer was required.
Sure, when are close enough to the epicenter but sensitive seismometers needed when hundreds of thousands of kilometres away.

Quote from: Heiwa
An atomic bomb explosion in air is just a FLASH that lasts a nano-second + mushroom cloud and has nothing in common with an earthquake.
Where do you this trash about "An atomic bomb explosion in air is just a FLASH that lasts a nano-second".

Have a look at these extremely high speed photographs!
Quote
Ultra-Fast Nuclear Detonation Pictures (http://10-nanosecond long images taken 1 millisecond after various nuclear explosions)
10-nanosecond long images taken 1 millisecond after various nuclear explosions

Most of the following images were taken using Rapatronic cameras, ultra-high speed, single-frame cameras developed in the 1940s by Dr. Harold Edgerton. The duration of the exposure is typically 10 nanoseconds (0.00000001 of a second.

(http://www.waynesthisandthat.com/images/abomb8.jpg)

This image captures two common elements: the spikes (called "rope tricks") and an uneven surface shape.

At this stage of the detonation the surface of the fireball has a temperature of 20,000 degrees, three times hotter than the sun's surface. At such temperatures the amount of thermal radiation (light) given off is so enormous anything it touches is vaporized ahead of the expanding fireball. The three spikes in this image result from the guide wires supporting the tower on which the bomb was located absorbing enough heat to turn into light emitting plasma. Because thermal radiation travels faster than the fireball, the spikes extend out ahead of it.

(http://www.waynesthisandthat.com/images/abomb7.jpg)

The support tower in the image above provides a convenient size scale. Most of the above images capture the fireball when it is 100 feet in diameter, typically 0.001 seconds after the control operator pressed the "fire" button.

(http://www.waynesthisandthat.com/images/abomb13.jpg)

The image above was taken 25 milliseconds later than the others and shows the fireball expanded to 300 feet in diameter, the size of a football field. Instead of a sphere, the fireball has become large enough so that its bottom is in contact with the earth. The even, light grey ring near the bottom of the smooth fireball (more properly called a firedome in this case) is the convolution of the shock wave from the fireball and the reflection of that shock wave from the surface of the earth. This doubly-enhanced shock wave is the area of maximum destructive force, as shown by the expanding ring of rubble below it.
So much for your ridiculous "An atomic bomb explosion in air is just a FLASH that lasts a nano-second"!

Even after 25 ms the expanding fireball is only 300 feet in diameter.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 04, 2020, 02:41:05 AM
Tough but but below the 10 or 20 ton yield of the Mk-54 isn't available but try that in your kitchen If you like.
LOL I still just ask for a 1 gram yield in a US laboratory.
And my kitchen? It is used for other things.
I'm sorry but reality doesn't agree with your stupid "just ask for a 1 gram yield in a US laboratory" - tough cheese!
But the post before this shows the what the initial fireball really looks like.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 04, 2020, 06:31:13 AM
Tough but but below the 10 or 20 ton yield of the Mk-54 isn't available but try that in your kitchen If you like.
LOL I still just ask for a 1 gram yield in a US laboratory.
And my kitchen? It is used for other things.
I'm sorry but reality doesn't agree with your stupid "just ask for a 1 gram yield in a US laboratory" - tough cheese!
But the post before this shows the what the initial fireball really looks like.
Best way to prove that nuclear bombs exist is of course a laboratory test of a small, civilian atomic bomb being exploded. There is no need for a full scale, military test in a desert.
But you have to ensure that the fireball is small and does not destroy the lab.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 04, 2020, 03:11:09 PM
Tough but but below the 10 or 20 ton yield of the Mk-54 isn't available but try that in your kitchen If you like.
LOL I still just ask for a 1 gram yield in a US laboratory.
And my kitchen? It is used for other things.
I'm sorry but reality doesn't agree with your stupid "just ask for a 1 gram yield in a US laboratory" - tough cheese!
But the post before this shows the what the initial fireball really looks like.
Best way to prove that nuclear bombs exist is of course a laboratory test of a small, civilian atomic bomb being exploded. There is no need for a full scale, military test in a desert.
But you have to ensure that the fireball is small and does not destroy the lab.
Sorry, but reality so far doesn't permit "a laboratory test of a small, civilian atomic bomb being exploded", tough!
But reality never bothered you did it!

There are numerous things that cannot be demonstrated in a lab and, in particular, a fusion bomb might be rather difficult to demonstrate on your desk!

Warning: Don't try this at home:

Ivy Mike Countdown and detonation

That's a "little one" of only 10 megatons.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on May 04, 2020, 04:09:08 PM
Tough but but below the 10 or 20 ton yield of the Mk-54 isn't available but try that in your kitchen If you like.
LOL I still just ask for a 1 gram yield in a US laboratory.
And my kitchen? It is used for other things.
I'm sorry but reality doesn't agree with your stupid "just ask for a 1 gram yield in a US laboratory" - tough cheese!
But the post before this shows the what the initial fireball really looks like.
Best way to prove that nuclear bombs exist is of course a laboratory test of a small, civilian atomic bomb being exploded. There is no need for a full scale, military test in a desert.
But you have to ensure that the fireball is small and does not destroy the lab.
Sorry, but reality so far doesn't permit "a laboratory test of a small, civilian atomic bomb being exploded", tough!
But reality never bothered you did it!

There are numerous things that cannot be demonstrated in a lab and, in particular, a fusion bomb might be rather difficult to demonstrate on your desk!

Warning: Don't try this at home:

Ivy Mike Countdown and detonation

That's a "little one" of only 10 megatons.

The LHC has allegedly created explosions that had temperatures of 5.5 trillion degrees though

That kind of heat takes a steaming dump over atomic bombs
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 04, 2020, 05:26:27 PM
Warning: Don't try this at home:

Ivy Mike Countdown and detonation

That's a "little one" of only 10 megatons.

The LHC has allegedly created explosions that had temperatures of 5.5 trillion degrees though

That kind of heat takes a steaming dump over atomic bombs
That's an H-bomb and the topic is "Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?" and not high temperatures.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 04, 2020, 07:52:05 PM
Warning: Don't try this at home:

Ivy Mike Countdown and detonation

That's a "little one" of only 10 megatons.

The LHC has allegedly created explosions that had temperatures of 5.5 trillion degrees though

That kind of heat takes a steaming dump over atomic bombs
That's an H-bomb and the topic is "Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?" and not high temperatures.
You are right (see post #1). Personally I do not believe in nuclear bombs after having
1. visited Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Albuquerque and their a-bomb museums,
2. visited Wismut AG and their uranium mines in Saxony, Germany and
3. studied the history of communist a-bomb building by Stalin, Beria and Serov.
My conclusion is that nuclear bombs are pure propaganda by USA & Co. The objective was to quickly terminate WW2 in Japan that started already 1937.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 04, 2020, 09:15:22 PM
Warning: Don't try this at home:

Ivy Mike Countdown and detonation

That's a "little one" of only 10 megatons.

The LHC has allegedly created explosions that had temperatures of 5.5 trillion degrees though
That's an H-bomb and the topic is "Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?" and not high temperatures.
You are right (see post #1). Personally I do not believe in nuclear bombs
And personally you don't seem to believe in:
Your not believing in nuclear bombs does seem mean much in the real world.

Your silly website is proof of your inability to understand these things with its inane explanations of why these aren't supposed to work.

You don't seem to believe in anything that you can't understand and that seems to be anything more complicated than a bottle opener.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on May 04, 2020, 09:58:09 PM
Warning: Don't try this at home:

Ivy Mike Countdown and detonation

That's a "little one" of only 10 megatons.

The LHC has allegedly created explosions that had temperatures of 5.5 trillion degrees though
That's an H-bomb and the topic is "Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?" and not high temperatures.
You are right (see post #1). Personally I do not believe in nuclear bombs
And personally you don't seem to believe in:
  • atmospheric braking on reentry,
  • ICMBs,
  • humans in space,
  • Lunar landings,
  • Interplanetary space missions etc, etc.
Your not believing in nuclear bombs does seem mean much in the real world.

Your silly website is proof of your inability to understand these things with its inane explanations of why these aren't supposed to work.

You don't seem to believe in anything that you can't understand and that seems to be anything more complicated than a bottle opener.

Regardless of a nuclear bombs validity or not, even if they work as advertised it's still a pretty shit an inefficient means of destruction.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 04, 2020, 10:26:00 PM
Regardless of a nuclear bombs validity or not, even if they work as advertised it's still a pretty shit an inefficient means of destruction.
I agree and I wish that nuclear weapons were not real but real people need to face the reality that terrible weapons do exist.
But there are so many conventional weapons that are used and inflict terrible injuries.
In WW2 an estimated 85 million people were killed with convenient weapons and many more with terrible physical and psychological injuries.
Under 220,000 were killed by the two A-bombs, including those that died later from injuries and radiation - but, of course, that was with only two bombs.
So there are no "good" weapons.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 04, 2020, 11:20:20 PM

And personally you don't seem to believe in:
  • atmospheric braking on reentry,
  • ICMBs,
  • humans in space,
  • Lunar landings,
  • Interplanetary space missions etc, etc.
Your not believing in nuclear bombs does seem mean much in the real world.

Your silly website is proof of your inability to understand these things with its inane explanations of why these aren't supposed to work.

You don't seem to believe in anything that you can't understand and that seems to be anything more complicated than a bottle opener.

Thanks for comments and questions.
Yes, I don't believe in
for reasons given at my popular website, i.e. critical thinking and analysis of info provided.
Re topic I believed in nuclear weapons when I was small and believed in Father Christmas. Then I had the chance to meet people involved in the a-bomb hoax and I concluded a-bombs are simple propaganda since 1945.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 04, 2020, 11:54:22 PM

And personally you don't seem to believe in:
  • atmospheric braking on reentry,
  • ICMBs,
  • humans in space,
  • Lunar landings,
  • Interplanetary space missions etc, etc.
Your not believing in nuclear bombs does seem mean much in the real world.

Your silly website is proof of your inability to understand these things with its inane explanations of why these aren't supposed to work.

You don't seem to believe in anything that you can't understand and that seems to be anything more complicated than a bottle opener.

Thanks for comments and questions.
Yes, I don't believe in
  • atmospheric braking on reentry,
  • ICMBs,
  • humans in space,
  • Lunar landings,
  • Interplanetary space missions etc, etc.
for reasons given at my popular website, i.e. critical thinking and analysis of info provided.
Re topic I believed in nuclear weapons when I was small and believed in Father Christmas. Then I had the chance to meet people involved in the a-bomb hoax and I concluded a-bombs are simple propaganda since 1945.
All I've seen on your "popular crappy website, i.e. critical scrambled thinking  and  totally incorrect analysis of info provided."

Your site proves that you haven't the slightest real understanding the things you refuse to believe.
Possibly you'd believe more if you learned more from those thst do understand these things.
But you think that you're smattering than everyone else so refuse to believe them, how sad :(.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 04, 2020, 11:57:44 PM
Heiwa is fucking AWESOME 
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 05, 2020, 12:45:01 AM

And personally you don't seem to believe in:
  • atmospheric braking on reentry,
  • ICMBs,
  • humans in space,
  • Lunar landings,
  • Interplanetary space missions etc, etc.
Your not believing in nuclear bombs does seem mean much in the real world.

Your silly website is proof of your inability to understand these things with its inane explanations of why these aren't supposed to work.

You don't seem to believe in anything that you can't understand and that seems to be anything more complicated than a bottle opener.

Thanks for comments and questions.
Yes, I don't believe in
  • atmospheric braking on reentry,
  • ICMBs,
  • humans in space,
  • Lunar landings,
  • Interplanetary space missions etc, etc.
for reasons given at my popular website, i.e. critical thinking and analysis of info provided.
Re topic I believed in nuclear weapons when I was small and believed in Father Christmas. Then I had the chance to meet people involved in the a-bomb hoax and I concluded a-bombs are simple propaganda since 1945.
All I've seen on your "popular crappy website, i.e. critical scrambled thinking  and  totally incorrect analysis of info provided."

Your site proves that you haven't the slightest real understanding the things you refuse to believe.
Possibly you'd believe more if you learned more from those thst do understand these things.
But you think that you're smattering than everyone else so refuse to believe them, how sad :(.
Can you, please, give/copy/paste some examples of my misunderstanding of atomic bomb things (topic) and I will explain!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sandokhan on May 05, 2020, 01:10:44 AM
It is very easy to settle this debate, one way or the other.

Did Chadwick discover the neutron in 1932?

The answer is most emphatically and definitely, no:

http://web.archive.org/web/20050206091142/http://luloxbooks.co.uk/findings1.htm

A fascinating look at the fact that J. Chadwick discovered ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in 1932, NO PARTICLE CALLED THE NEUTRON.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on May 05, 2020, 02:39:53 AM

A fascinating look at the fact that J. Chadwick discovered ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in 1932, NO PARTICLE CALLED THE NEUTRON.
So, you're saying he discovered it in 1933?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 05, 2020, 03:29:04 AM
It is very easy to settle this debate, one way or the other.
No, that diatribe settles nothing!

Quote from: sandokhan
Did Chadwick discover the neutron in 1932?

The answer is most emphatically and definitely, no:
So you say but even if James Chadwick didn't discover the neutron in 1932 that doesn't mean that the neutron does not exist.

Quote from: sandokhan
http://web.archive.org/web/20050206091142/http://luloxbooks.co.uk/findings1.htm

A fascinating look at the fact that J. Chadwick discovered ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in 1932, NO PARTICLE CALLED THE NEUTRON.
That diatribe of nothing innuendo is aimed at nothing more thst discrediting James Chadwick but does nothing to disprove the existence of the neutron.

So, you have neither proven "that J. Chadwick discovered ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in 1932, NO PARTICLE CALLED THE NEUTRON" nor provided the slightest evidence against the existence of the neutron.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 05, 2020, 10:41:54 AM
It is very easy to settle this debate, one way or the other.
No, that diatribe settles nothing!

Quote from: sandokhan
Did Chadwick discover the neutron in 1932?

The answer is most emphatically and definitely, no:
So you say but even if James Chadwick didn't discover the neutron in 1932 that doesn't mean that the neutron does not exist.

Quote from: sandokhan
http://web.archive.org/web/20050206091142/http://luloxbooks.co.uk/findings1.htm

A fascinating look at the fact that J. Chadwick discovered ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in 1932, NO PARTICLE CALLED THE NEUTRON.
That diatribe of nothing innuendo is aimed at nothing more thst discrediting James Chadwick but does nothing to disprove the existence of the neutron.

So, you have neither proven "that J. Chadwick discovered ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in 1932, NO PARTICLE CALLED THE NEUTRON" nor provided the slightest evidence against the existence of the neutron.
Can you, please, give/copy/paste some examples of my misunderstanding of atomic bomb things (topic) and I will explain!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on May 05, 2020, 12:03:57 PM
Can you, please, give/copy/paste some examples of my misunderstanding of atomic bomb things (topic) and I will explain!

I think the basic misunderstanding you have is summed up with this quote...

I do not believe in nuclear bombs

That's a pretty big misunderstanding.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on May 05, 2020, 01:18:18 PM
Have you visited Rocky Flats yet?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MicroBeta on May 05, 2020, 04:09:26 PM
And people in Las Vegas saw nukes detonate. I was dialy life, but they are all shills, let me guess O0

And if you agree that they saw something, you need to agree there is entire infrastructure build in order to have THOUSANDS od tons of TNT brought to place


And Nevada Test site in approx 80 km off Las Vegas, so shoud curve of earth make bottoms of Mushrom clouds hidden? ;)
They used to a-bomb parties in Vegas to watch the testing.  People traveled from all over the country to see them.  Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of locals that saw them all.  I brought that up to Anders (Heiwa) several times.  He dismisses it as lies and propaganda.  He even went on to claim that the government use Photoshop to create the pictures.  You read that right.  He said the US government have Photoshop 30 years before Adobe released it.  ;D

Mike
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on May 05, 2020, 04:30:06 PM
And people in Las Vegas saw nukes detonate. I was dialy life, but they are all shills, let me guess O0

And if you agree that they saw something, you need to agree there is entire infrastructure build in order to have THOUSANDS od tons of TNT brought to place


And Nevada Test site in approx 80 km off Las Vegas, so shoud curve of earth make bottoms of Mushrom clouds hidden? ;)
They used to a-bomb parties in Vegas to watch the testing.  People traveled from all over the country to see them.  Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of locals that saw them all.  I brought that up to Anders (Heiwa) several times.  He dismisses it as lies and propaganda.  He even went on to claim that the government use Photoshop to create the pictures.  You read that right.  He said the US government have Photoshop 30 years before Adobe released it.  ;D

Mike

Only an American would be dumb enough to think a nuke is a spectacle to party around. I wonder how many of those bozos were irradiated? Deserved
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 05, 2020, 04:58:39 PM
Only an American would be dumb enough to think a nuke is a spectacle to party around. I wonder how many of those bozos were irradiated? Deserved
Considering that the Nevada test site is some 65 miles away from Las Vegas, I doubt that anyone was irradiated from the initial blast.  Whether or not they got any radiation that might have been carried by the wind is a different story.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MicroBeta on May 05, 2020, 05:00:15 PM
Best way to prove that nuclear bombs exist is of course a laboratory test of a small, civilian atomic bomb being exploded. There is no need for a full scale, military test in a desert.
But you have to ensure that the fireball is small and does not destroy the lab.
You claim to be a millionaire and a supposed engineer so why don't you do it?

Mike
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 06, 2020, 12:40:55 AM
Best way to prove that nuclear bombs exist is of course a laboratory test of a small, civilian atomic bomb being exploded. There is no need for a full scale, military test in a desert.
But you have to ensure that the fireball is small and does not destroy the lab.
You claim to be a millionaire and a supposed engineer so why don't you do it?

Mike
No, now and then I only test the quality of various welded steel construction joints using established non-destructive methods. I can do on site and in a lab.
Re your question I know what fission is and how to observe it in a laboratory. It has been done since 1938.  But explosive fission? Bringing two pieces of uranium together to become a critical mass of uranium that becomes pure energy in a FLASH I cannot do. To me the suggestion is ridiculous.
I know US army did it full scale in Nevada in the 1950/60's so people in Las Vegas far away could see something but that doesn't prove anything.
I am a serious person. Try to provide a serious reply!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 06, 2020, 05:58:35 AM
Bringing two pieces of uranium together to become a critical mass of uranium that becomes pure energy in a FLASH I cannot do. To me the suggestion is ridiculous.
Yes, your "suggestion is ridiculous" it doesn't work that way.

And if you hope to cause a nuclear detonation that way you'll be sorely disappointed and very dead! In which order I wouldn't know ;D.
It's been very close to happening accidentally a couple of times.

If you really want a nuclear detonation then it's a lot more complicated but why should I explain it to YOU - an idiot like you would probably blow Monaco up :o.

Quote from: Heiwa
I know US army did it full scale in Nevada in the 1950/60's so people in Las Vegas far away could see something but that doesn't prove anything.
Well, the saying that the "US army did it full scale in Nevada in the 1950/60's so people in Las Vegas far away could see something" is totally idiotic, just what we'd expect from you.

But it's safer for the world if you don't believe these things - that way you're less likely to kill everybody around you.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 06, 2020, 06:03:20 AM

A fascinating look at the fact that J. Chadwick discovered ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in 1932, NO PARTICLE CALLED THE NEUTRON.
So, you're saying he discovered it in 1933?
He probably discovered it in 1931 but waited until 1932 to announce the discovery.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 06, 2020, 06:57:02 AM
Bringing two pieces of uranium together to become a critical mass of uranium that becomes pure energy in a FLASH I cannot do. To me the suggestion is ridiculous.
Yes, your "suggestion is ridiculous" it doesn't work that way.

And if you hope to cause a nuclear detonation that way you'll be sorely disappointed and very dead! In which order I wouldn't know ;D.
It's been very close to happening accidentally a couple of times.

If you really want a nuclear detonation then it's a lot more complicated but why should I explain it to YOU - an idiot like you would probably blow Monaco up :o.

Quote from: Heiwa
I know US army did it full scale in Nevada in the 1950/60's so people in Las Vegas far away could see something but that doesn't prove anything.
Well, the saying that the "US army did it full scale in Nevada in the 1950/60's so people in Las Vegas far away could see something" is totally idiotic, just what we'd expect from you.

But it's safer for the world if you don't believe these things - that way you're less likely to kill everybody around you.
So how does it - ignition of a nuclear bomb - work?

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 06, 2020, 09:55:30 AM
So how does it - ignition of a nuclear bomb - work?
You still don't know the difference between ignition and detonation, do you?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 06, 2020, 11:50:07 AM
So how does it - ignition of a nuclear bomb - work?
You still don't know the difference between ignition and detonation, do you?
ignite = set on fire
detonate = causing the stuff of a bomb to explode
Anyway, the problem remains how to cause a nuclear bomb killing people. Compressing two non-critical masses of fissile material to double density with a neutron in between so it becomes one critical mass that sets the surrounding on fire vaporizing people in a FLASH? 1 + 1 = 1!
Yes, nuclear scientists say so. I just laugh at them! Nuclear bombs do not exist!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 06, 2020, 11:55:56 AM
Yes, nuclear scientists say so. I just laugh at them!
That's okay, I'm sure that nuclear scientists laugh at you as well.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on May 06, 2020, 01:11:27 PM
It is very easy to settle this debate, one way or the other.

Did Chadwick discover the neutron in 1932?

The answer is most emphatically and definitely, no:

http://web.archive.org/web/20050206091142/http://luloxbooks.co.uk/findings1.htm

A fascinating look at the fact that J. Chadwick discovered ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in 1932, NO PARTICLE CALLED THE NEUTRON.

Are you saying that the neutron does not exist, if sow you are simply wrong.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on May 06, 2020, 03:36:24 PM
It is very easy to settle this debate, one way or the other.

Did Chadwick discover the neutron in 1932?

The answer is most emphatically and definitely, no:

http://web.archive.org/web/20050206091142/http://luloxbooks.co.uk/findings1.htm

A fascinating look at the fact that J. Chadwick discovered ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in 1932, NO PARTICLE CALLED THE NEUTRON.

Are you saying that the neutron does not exist, if sow you are simply wrong.

Maybe in his Plato's cave there is no neutron. So he is correct for his cave.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MicroBeta on May 06, 2020, 03:46:24 PM
Best way to prove that nuclear bombs exist is of course a laboratory test of a small, civilian atomic bomb being exploded. There is no need for a full scale, military test in a desert.
But you have to ensure that the fireball is small and does not destroy the lab.
You claim to be a millionaire and a supposed engineer so why don't you do it?

Mike
No, now and then I only test the quality of various welded steel construction joints using established non-destructive methods. I can do on site and in a lab.
Re your question I know what fission is and how to observe it in a laboratory. It has been done since 1938.  But explosive fission? Bringing two pieces of uranium together to become a critical mass of uranium that becomes pure energy in a FLASH I cannot do. To me the suggestion is ridiculous.
I know US army did it full scale in Nevada in the 1950/60's so people in Las Vegas far away could see something but that doesn't prove anything.
I am a serious person. Try to provide a serious reply!
You claim to be a millionaire so if you won't do it the STFU about it.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 06, 2020, 04:00:11 PM
It is very easy to settle this debate, one way or the other.

Did Chadwick discover the neutron in 1932?

The answer is most emphatically and definitely, no:

http://web.archive.org/web/20050206091142/http://luloxbooks.co.uk/findings1.htm

A fascinating look at the fact that J. Chadwick discovered ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in 1932, NO PARTICLE CALLED THE NEUTRON.

Are you saying that the neutron does not exist, if sow you are simply wrong.

Maybe in his Plato's cave there is no neutron. So he is correct for his cave.
Maybe that's the answer we've all been looking for: Sandokhan really is a Flat Earth Scientist and Flat Earth Sultan but only of his own little Universe - his Plato's Cave.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 06, 2020, 04:44:00 PM
who's winning?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on May 06, 2020, 07:47:24 PM
who's winning?

Me of course.

My day was draggin'  so I decided to go teabaggin'.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 06, 2020, 09:16:18 PM
who's winning?

Me of course.

I meant who else is winning.  ::)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 07, 2020, 12:15:37 AM
Yes, nuclear scientists say so. I just laugh at them!
That's okay, I'm sure that nuclear scientists laugh at you as well.
Not really. Recently I asked all nuclear physics lecturers/students at Uppsala university, Sweden, to describe 'explosive nuclear fission' to me, e.g.how to do it small scale in a lab. Only two replied and none could provide any useful information. Actually one said he would do it, but I haven't heard from him lately.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 07, 2020, 01:08:25 AM

 Recently I asked all nuclear physics lecturers/students at Uppsala university, Sweden, to describe 'explosive nuclear fission' to me, e.g.how to do it small scale in a lab. Only two replied and none could provide any useful information.


"YOU HAVE BEEN BLOCKED"  is not an actual response.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 07, 2020, 01:09:35 AM
Yes, nuclear scientists say so. I just laugh at them!
That's okay, I'm sure that nuclear scientists laugh at you as well.
Not really. Recently I asked all nuclear physics lecturers/students at Uppsala university, Sweden, to describe 'explosive nuclear fission' to me, e.g.how to do it small scale in a lab. Only two replied and none could provide any useful information.
Might that be because "explosive nuclear fission" on a  "small scale in a lab" is not possible unlike
 large scale explosive nuclear fission of tens to about 500,000 tons TNT equivalent.

HD Operation Ivy King shot 500kt 1952

That's with over 4 x critical mass of uranium.

And this close to the smallest fission explosion:

W-54 Davy Crocket Test Fire (Tiny Nuke)
"with a yield between 10 and 20 tons TNT equivalent".

Try that in your office if you like :o.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 07, 2020, 01:23:29 AM
Quote from: Heiwa

I don't believe tsunamis exist until I see one destroy an aquarium.


MAKE UP YOUR OWN HEIWA QUOTE . . .    :P
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on May 07, 2020, 05:02:00 AM
So how does it - ignition of a nuclear bomb - work?
You still don't know the difference between ignition and detonation, do you?
ignite = set on fire
detonate = causing the stuff of a bomb to explode
Anyway, the problem remains how to cause a nuclear bomb killing people. Compressing two non-critical masses of fissile material to double density with a neutron in between so it becomes one critical mass that sets the surrounding on fire vaporizing people in a FLASH? 1 + 1 = 1!
Yes, nuclear scientists say so. I just laugh at them! Nuclear bombs do not exist!
You can use the gun barrel design or the sphere method. Both work.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on May 07, 2020, 10:42:40 AM
Nuclear weapons do not switch off street lights. I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .

Sorry for the late response; you are telling me that this is fake, well sorry to disappoint you I was an eye witness to it.
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9 July 1962 USA detonated a hydrogen bomb in space over Johnston Island in the Pacific. The (fake) explosion took place 400 kilometers above the Johnston Island (atoll). That really was vacuum space! The burst had an explosive yield of 1.45 megatons - approximately a hundred times that of the (fake) Hiroshima bomb (around 13 kilotons), media said:
... a brilliant white flash erased the darkness like a photoflash. Then the entire sky turned light green for about a second. In several more seconds, a deep red aurora, several moon diameters in size, formed where the blast had been. A white plasma jet came slowly out of the top of the red aurora (over Johnston Island) and painted a white stripe across the sky from north to south in about one minute. A deep red aurora appeared over Samoa at the south end of the white plasma jet. This visual display lasted for perhaps ten minutes before slowly fading. There was no sound at all.
Cecil R. Coale, PhD
Remember that this occurred at 400 000 m altitude in vacuum space, when the missile with the bomb was returning after having been further away from Earth. Read this what people on ground just below the explosion saw:
"At zero time at Johnston, a white flash occurred, but as soon as one could remove his goggles, no intense light was present. A second after shot time a mottled red disc was observed directly overhead and covered the sky down to about 45 degrees from the zenith. Generally, the red mottled region was more intense on the eastern portions. Along the magnetic north-south line through the burst, a white-yellow streak extended and grew to the north from near zenith. The width of the white streaked region grew from a few degrees at a few seconds to about 5-10 degrees in 30 seconds. Growth of the auroral region to the north was by addition of new lines developing from west to east. The white-yellow auroral streamers receded upward from the horizon to the north and grew to the south and at about 2 minutes the white-yellow bands were still about 10 degrees wide and extended mainly from near zenith to the south. By about two minutes, the red disc region had completed disappearance in the west and was rapidly fading on the eastern portion of the overhead disc". Bla, bla, bla!
What a fireworks display! You can also watch it here. Watch the hydrogen bomb lifting off at time 4.27 to 1 100 000 m top altitude (5.09) to start dropping down to explode at 400 000 m altitude and the explosion a little later ... seen from far away! They forgot to film it from Johnston! However ... it was just early fake news! Just propaganda invented by the usual clowns and non-existing PhDs. No merchant ships in the vicinity observed anything unusual that night. The event (incl. the fusion) never took place. I pay anyone Euro 1M to show I am wrong!
As an eye witness do I qualify to present evidence of the occurrence of that test?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MicroBeta on May 07, 2020, 01:07:56 PM
So how does it - ignition of a nuclear bomb - work?
You already know the answer.  You just don't believe it.  You personal incredulity doesn't change scientific fact.

Mike
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 07, 2020, 04:26:06 PM
So how does it - ignition of a nuclear bomb - work?
You already know the answer.  You just don't believe it.  You personal incredulity doesn't change scientific fact.

Mike
Correct. I don't believe you can ignite/detonate a nuclear bomb as it cannot be done in a laboratory and similar using scientific methods.
All nuclear bomb ignitions/detonations take place full scale, secretly at remote locations by military men and only evidence is a photo.
Please, give me a break.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 07, 2020, 05:20:36 PM
All nuclear bomb ignitions/detonations take place full scale, secretly at remote locations by military men and only evidence is a photo.
Please, give me a break.
Of course they do!  Do you expect nuclear bomb ignitions/detonations take place on the top of the Eiffel Tower :o?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MicroBeta on May 07, 2020, 07:23:27 PM
So how does it - ignition of a nuclear bomb - work?
You already know the answer.  You just don't believe it.  You personal incredulity doesn't change scientific fact.

Mike
Correct. I don't believe you can ignite/detonate a nuclear bomb as it cannot be done in a laboratory and similar using scientific methods.
All nuclear bomb ignitions/detonations take place full scale, secretly at remote locations by military men and only evidence is a photo.
Please, give me a break.
Like I said, your personal incredulity doesn't mean shit.  What you believe is irrelevant.

Mike
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 07, 2020, 10:26:48 PM
So how does it - ignition of a nuclear bomb - work?
You already know the answer.  You just don't believe it.  You personal incredulity doesn't change scientific fact.

Mike
Correct. I don't believe you can ignite/detonate a nuclear bomb as it cannot be done in a laboratory and similar using scientific methods.
All nuclear bomb ignitions/detonations take place full scale, secretly at remote locations by military men and only evidence is a photo.
Please, give me a break.
Like I said, your personal incredulity doesn't mean shit.  What you believe is irrelevant.

Mike
Like I said, it would be interesting to detonate a nano-a-bomb in a laboratory and study it scientifically. Exploding full scale a-bombs underground in secret locations is, like I said, not scientific. To me any a-bomb explosion is old Fake News!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MicroBeta on May 08, 2020, 02:35:51 AM
So how does it - ignition of a nuclear bomb - work?
You already know the answer.  You just don't believe it.  You personal incredulity doesn't change scientific fact.

Mike
Correct. I don't believe you can ignite/detonate a nuclear bomb as it cannot be done in a laboratory and similar using scientific methods.
All nuclear bomb ignitions/detonations take place full scale, secretly at remote locations by military men and only evidence is a photo.
Please, give me a break.
Like I said, your personal incredulity doesn't mean shit.  What you believe is irrelevant.

Mike
Like I said, it would be interesting to detonate a nano-a-bomb in a laboratory and study it scientifically. Exploding full scale a-bombs underground in secret locations is, like I said, not scientific. To me any a-bomb explosion is old Fake News!
Clearly, you don't understand how a nuclear bomb works.  If you actually did you'd know that there isn't an explosive powerful enough the create the pressures necessary in a "nono-a-bomb" to get start the reaction.  They barely did it in Fat Man and Little Boy...the compression wave on Fat Man only caused ≈1.5% of the uranium to fission. 

The very fact you think a "nono-a-bomb" in a lab will work shows you have no idea what you're talking about.

Mike
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 08, 2020, 05:25:09 AM
So how does it - ignition of a nuclear bomb - work?
You already know the answer.  You just don't believe it.  You personal incredulity doesn't change scientific fact.

Mike
Correct. I don't believe you can ignite/detonate a nuclear bomb as it cannot be done in a laboratory and similar using scientific methods.
All nuclear bomb ignitions/detonations take place full scale, secretly at remote locations by military men and only evidence is a photo.
Please, give me a break.
Like I said, your personal incredulity doesn't mean shit.  What you believe is irrelevant.

Mike
Like I said, it would be interesting to detonate a nano-a-bomb in a laboratory and study it scientifically. Exploding full scale a-bombs underground in secret locations is, like I said, not scientific. To me any a-bomb explosion is old Fake News!
Clearly, you don't understand how a nuclear bomb works.  If you actually did you'd know that there isn't an explosive powerful enough the create the pressures necessary in a "nono-a-bomb" to get start the reaction.  They barely did it in Fat Man and Little Boy...the compression wave on Fat Man only caused ≈1.5% of the uranium to fission. 

The very fact you think a "nono-a-bomb" in a lab will work shows you have no idea what you're talking about.

Mike
Thanks, so an a-bomb will not work in a lab. You need a complete desert à la Alamagordo, NM, for it. And then you detonate or ignite it there July 1945.
BOOM. FLASH. destruction, bla, bla, bla! 
And then?
You tell POTUS Truman that it worked and Truman ordered - drop two ones on Japan killing 200 000 civilians!
Imagine if life were so simple. But it is not irrelevant.
You sound ... sick. Have you talked to a doctor recently?

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on May 08, 2020, 05:30:00 AM
First self sustaining chain reaction.

https://www.uchicago.edu/features/how_the_first_chain_reaction_changed_science/
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 08, 2020, 06:23:33 AM
Imagine if life were so simple.
It seems to me that you're the one who wants it to be simple.  The rest of us understand that the physics alone demand that it can't be that simple.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 08, 2020, 06:48:46 AM
Imagine if life were so simple.
It seems to me that you're the one who wants it to be simple.  The rest of us understand that the physics alone demand that it can't be that simple.
Thanks ... and you needed an NM desert to test it? You sound like another American nut case. Do you work for Donald? Inherited the job from granpa working for Truman?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 08, 2020, 10:38:47 AM
Imagine if life were so simple.
It seems to me that you're the one who wants it to be simple.  The rest of us understand that the physics alone demand that it can't be that simple.
Thanks ... and you needed an NM desert to test it?
Where would you rather they be tested, in the middle of downtown Paris? ???

If you want to test a top secret weapon of mass destruction, then yes, a remote, unpopulated location is needed.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 08, 2020, 09:50:18 PM
Imagine if life were so simple.
It seems to me that you're the one who wants it to be simple.  The rest of us understand that the physics alone demand that it can't be that simple.
Thanks ... and you needed an NM desert to test it?
Where would you rather they be tested, in the middle of downtown Paris? ???

If you want to test a top secret weapon of mass destruction, then yes, a remote, unpopulated location is needed.
Well, Marie Curie and husband did all their research about radioactivity in a lab in downtown Paris >100 years ago. It was peer reviewed and in the public domain. No need for top secrecy. And Marie died 1934 at age 66. They say it was due to radiation exposure, but I doubt it. Maybe it was due to poisoning?
So a remote, unpopulated location is not required to test a nano-sized a-bomb, if you believe it can explode.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MicroBeta on May 09, 2020, 02:58:30 AM
Imagine if life were so simple.
It seems to me that you're the one who wants it to be simple.  The rest of us understand that the physics alone demand that it can't be that simple.
Thanks ... and you needed an NM desert to test it?
Where would you rather they be tested, in the middle of downtown Paris? ???

If you want to test a top secret weapon of mass destruction, then yes, a remote, unpopulated location is needed.
Well, Marie Curie and husband did all their research about radioactivity in a lab in downtown Paris >100 years ago. It was peer reviewed and in the public domain. No need for top secrecy. And Marie died 1934 at age 66. They say it was due to radiation exposure, but I doubt it. Maybe it was due to poisoning?
So a remote, unpopulated location is not required to test a nano-sized a-bomb, if you believe it can explode.
What evidence do you have that Marie Curie died of something other that radiation exposure?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 09, 2020, 03:26:16 AM
So a remote, unpopulated location is not required to test a nano-sized a-bomb, if you believe it can explode.

And "a nano-sized a-bomb" is currently theoretically and prsctically impossible so even I don't "believe it can explode."

If you're as smart as you claim are you should be able to design and build it yourself!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on May 09, 2020, 07:30:01 AM
So a remote, unpopulated location is not required to test a nano-sized a-bomb, if you believe it can explode.

You are asking to test something that does not exist.  There are no nano sized fission bombs.

That is like demanding proof that a horse can pull a heavy cart by demanding a tiny living horse that you can hold in your hand.

If you want to see a single atom explode however, that's possible.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 09, 2020, 01:17:09 PM
Imagine if life were so simple.
It seems to me that you're the one who wants it to be simple.  The rest of us understand that the physics alone demand that it can't be that simple.
Thanks ... and you needed an NM desert to test it?
Where would you rather they be tested, in the middle of downtown Paris? ???

If you want to test a top secret weapon of mass destruction, then yes, a remote, unpopulated location is needed.
Well, Marie Curie and husband did all their research about radioactivity in a lab in downtown Paris >100 years ago.
Marie Curie and her husband weren't working on atomic bombs.

It was peer reviewed and in the public domain.
What makes you think that nuclear bombs haven't been peer reviewed?  Also, a fair bit of the nuclear physics and technology is in the public domain.

No need for top secrecy.
Why would you want weapons of mass destruction to be freely available?  Are you a terrorist?

And Marie died 1934 at age 66. They say it was due to radiation exposure, but I doubt it. Maybe it was due to poisoning?
Yes, radiation poisoning.  Ask your Russian friends about it.

So a remote, unpopulated location is not required to test a nano-sized a-bomb, if you believe it can explode.
Even conventional explosives are generally tested in remote, unpopulated areas.  I thought that you were interested in safety.  Testing bombs in a populated area doesn't sound very safe to me.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 09, 2020, 06:30:48 PM
Imagine if life were so simple.
It seems to me that you're the one who wants it to be simple.  The rest of us understand that the physics alone demand that it can't be that simple.
Thanks ... and you needed an NM desert to test it?
Where would you rather they be tested, in the middle of downtown Paris? ???

If you want to test a top secret weapon of mass destruction, then yes, a remote, unpopulated location is needed.
Well, Marie Curie and husband did all their research about radioactivity in a lab in downtown Paris >100 years ago.
Marie Curie and her husband weren't working on atomic bombs.

It was peer reviewed and in the public domain.
What makes you think that nuclear bombs haven't been peer reviewed?  Also, a fair bit of the nuclear physics and technology is in the public domain.

No need for top secrecy.
Why would you want weapons of mass destruction to be freely available?  Are you a terrorist?

And Marie died 1934 at age 66. They say it was due to radiation exposure, but I doubt it. Maybe it was due to poisoning?
Yes, radiation poisoning.  Ask your Russian friends about it.

So a remote, unpopulated location is not required to test a nano-sized a-bomb, if you believe it can explode.
Even conventional explosives are generally tested in remote, unpopulated areas.  I thought that you were interested in safety.  Testing bombs in a populated area doesn't sound very safe to me.
Thanks for questions.
My doubts about a-bombs started in the 1960’s when university friends of my grandfather/future Nobel prize winners Niels Bohr could not explain explosive fission and Manne Siegbahn told me 1964 to avoid physics as a career (to avoid being asked building Swedish a-bombs).
So I became a shipbuilder and arrived in Japan 1972 and met people from Hiroshima and Nagasaki that told me that their towns were burnt down by napalm 1945. No a-bombs! They returned quickly and rebuilt their towns. They also built fake peace a-bomb museums.
Then I met Elke 1999 whose father told me he had worked for Wismut AG in Saxony, East Germany, 1948/58 producing the Uranium for the fake Stalin a-bomb (not) exploding 1949 in a remote area anywhere.
Elke’s parents disappeared 1958 and Elke thought they were dead but, magic, Elke’s parents had escaped to the West and they could be reunited after three years.
Elke and I 2001 bought a house at Freiberg i.Sa, vicinity of which where Wismut AG had its Uranium mines. It took me 15 years to understand that there were no Uranium mines in Saxony! It was all KGB propaganda (that is still effective today). A hoax. And today I think Elke’s father assisted the Stalin & KGB with it. He was not a real German but from Upper Silesia that never liked Germans. Something went wrong 1958 – East German security police mishandled the business, etc. It is a pity that German (or US or Russian) media isn’t interested in the story. German tax payers are today paying a fortune to clean up the Saxon Wismut AG Uranium mines … that never produced any Uranium ever.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 09, 2020, 08:57:16 PM
Yes, yes.  Nice story that you've told several times already.  Too bad it has nothing to do with any of the questions that I asked.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 09, 2020, 10:31:31 PM
Yes, yes.  Nice story that you've told several times already.  Too bad it has nothing to do with any of the questions that I asked.
So the questions were:
1. What makes you think that nuclear bombs haven't been peer reviewed?
2. Why would you want weapons of mass destruction to be freely available? 
3. Are you a terrorist?
Answers :
1 . All is military top secret for national security reasons since 1945 = no peer review ever.
2. I prefer conventional weapons of self defense. My weapon was the sea mine blowing up enemy ships trying to invade Sweden. I think it is scrapped today.
3. Yes, according to certain US and Japanese laws they think so. Actually I am a nice guy.

Re Niels Bohr he was apparently smuggled out of Nazi-occupied Denmark summer 1942 and suddenly stayed at my grandparents house outside Stockholm in neutral Sweden. Then he disappeared but left a trunk in the guest room. Three years later Bohr reappeared. He had been part of the Manhattan project at Los Alamos, New Mexico, USA, where he also learnt skiing. His bombs had killed 100 000's of Japanese civilians 1945 and he was not really popular. Physicists should not design weapons mass murder. And Niels Bohr could not tell how his bombs detonated or ignited. I think his friend Manne Siegbahn knew the bombs were fake but he was encouraged not to speak about it. Manne was already rich after having won the Nobel Prize 1923 but he got an extra US$ 1 million from the Rockefeller foundation 1946 to improve the cyclotron in his private laboratory at Stockholm, where he created new atoms, etc. Nuclear physics, you know.
The forgotten trunk in the guest room? Guess, what happened to it!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 10, 2020, 05:23:24 AM
Yes, yes.  Nice story that you've told several times already.  Too bad it has nothing to do with any of the questions that I asked.
Physicists should not design weapons mass murder.
Probably nobody should design weapons of war because so many involve mass "murder".

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Bombing of Tokyo (10 March 1945)
On the night of 9/10 March 1945, the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) conducted a devastating firebombing raid on Tokyo, the Japanese capital city. This attack was code-named Operation Meetinghouse by the USAAF and is known as the Great Tokyo Air Raid in Japan.[1] Bombs dropped from 279 Boeing B-29 Superfortress heavy bombers burned out much of eastern Tokyo. More than 90,000 and possibly over 100,000 Japanese people were killed, mostly civilians, and one million were left homeless, making it the most destructive single air attack of World War II. The Japanese air and civil defenses proved largely inadequate; 14 American aircraft and 96 airmen were lost.

The attack on Tokyo was an intensification of the air raids on Japan which had begun in June 1944. Prior to this operation, the USAAF had focused on a precision bombing campaign against Japanese industrial facilities. These attacks were generally unsuccessful, which contributed to the decision to shift to firebombing. The operation during the early hours of 10 March was the first major firebombing raid against a Japanese city, and the USAAF units employed significantly different tactics from those used in precision raids, including bombing by night with the aircraft flying at low altitudes. The extensive destruction caused by the raid led to these tactics becoming standard for the USAAF's B-29s until the end of the war.
There were no nuclear weapons involved in the bombing of Tokyo. Japan could have surrendered earlier, before that carpet bombing but they refused!

And
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World War II casualties
World War II was the deadliest military conflict in history. An estimated total of 70–85 million people perished,[1] which was about 3% of the 1940 world population (est. 2.3 billion).

More than half of the total number of casualties are accounted for by the dead of the Republic of China and of the Soviet Union. The government of the Russian Federation in the 1990s published an estimate of USSR losses at 26.6 million,[3][4] including 8 to 9 million due to famine and disease.[4][5][6] These losses are for the territory of the USSR in the borders of 1946–1991, including territories annexed in 1939–40.

The People's Republic of China as of 2005 estimated the number of Chinese casualties in the Second Sino-Japanese War from 1937 to 1945 are 20 million dead and 15 million wounded.[7]

In 2000, the total number of German military dead was estimated at 5.3 million by Rüdiger Overmans of the Military History Research Office (Germany); this number includes 900,000 men conscripted from outside of Germany's 1937 borders, in Austria, and in east-central Europe. Civilian deaths are not included.[8][9][10] However, in 2005 the German government put the war dead at 7,395,000 persons (including 4,300,000 military dead and missing) from Germany, Austria, and men conscripted from outside of Germany's 1937 borders.

There were no nuclear weapons involved in those millions of casualties - dead is dead however you die and war is hell!



Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: frenat on May 10, 2020, 05:33:19 AM
Yes, yes.  Nice story that you've told several times already.  Too bad it has nothing to do with any of the questions that I asked.

he often does that. That is why some think he is a bot.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on May 10, 2020, 05:36:54 AM
Yes, yes.  Nice story that you've told several times already.  Too bad it has nothing to do with any of the questions that I asked.

he often does that. That is why some think he is a bot.

He is a wealthy man, living the high life in France. He is also not bothered about a nuclear apocalypse because he knows the threat is fake so lives in bliss. You're just jealous
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: frenat on May 10, 2020, 10:25:11 AM
Yes, yes.  Nice story that you've told several times already.  Too bad it has nothing to do with any of the questions that I asked.

he often does that. That is why some think he is a bot.

He is a wealthy man, living the high life in France. He is also not bothered about a nuclear apocalypse because he knows the threat is fake so lives in bliss. You're just jealous
Nope. Just stating facts. He has been accused of being a bot multiple times before. The fact that he often ignores direct question replying with non sequiturs just lends credence to that theory. He's got nothing that I would be jealous of. Great for humor though!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 10, 2020, 03:13:17 PM
1 . All is military top secret for national security reasons since 1945 = no peer review ever.
The fact that a number of other countries have developed their own nuclear weapons sounds like peer review to me.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 10, 2020, 03:23:35 PM
1 . All is military top secret for national security reasons since 1945 = no peer review ever.
The fact that a number of other countries have developed their own nuclear weapons sounds like peer review to me.
Well, when France developed its atomic and hydrogen bombs in the 1960's, there was no peer review! http://heiwaco.com/fabomb.htm
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on May 10, 2020, 03:43:45 PM
1 . All is military top secret for national security reasons since 1945 = no peer review ever.
The fact that a number of other countries have developed their own nuclear weapons sounds like peer review to me.
Well, when France developed its atomic and hydrogen bombs in the 1960's, there was no peer review! http://heiwaco.com/fabomb.htm

Sure there was peer review. Pretty much every nuclear nation in the world condemned it. Doesn't get more peer reviewed than that.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 10, 2020, 08:38:07 PM
1 . All is military top secret for national security reasons since 1945 = no peer review ever.
The fact that a number of other countries have developed their own nuclear weapons sounds like peer review to me.
Well, when France developed its atomic and hydrogen bombs in the 1960's, there was no peer review! http://heiwaco.com/fabomb.htm

Sure there was peer review. Pretty much every nuclear nation in the world condemned it. Doesn't get more peer reviewed than that.


Thanks for the link. It has nothing to do with peer review. It was just glorious French Fake News to maintain the honor of the republic 1960 becoming a nuclear armed super power.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on May 10, 2020, 10:17:30 PM
1 . All is military top secret for national security reasons since 1945 = no peer review ever.
The fact that a number of other countries have developed their own nuclear weapons sounds like peer review to me.
Well, when France developed its atomic and hydrogen bombs in the 1960's, there was no peer review! http://heiwaco.com/fabomb.htm

Sure there was peer review. Pretty much every nuclear nation in the world condemned it. Doesn't get more peer reviewed than that.


Thanks for the link. It has nothing to do with peer review. It was just glorious French Fake News to maintain the honor of the republic 1960 becoming a nuclear armed super power.
Sow it did happen; nuclear weapons do work.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 11, 2020, 01:44:48 AM
1 . All is military top secret for national security reasons since 1945 = no peer review ever.
The fact that a number of other countries have developed their own nuclear weapons sounds like peer review to me.
Well, when France developed its atomic and hydrogen bombs in the 1960's, there was no peer review! http://heiwaco.com/fabomb.htm

Sure there was peer review. Pretty much every nuclear nation in the world condemned it. Doesn't get more peer reviewed than that.


Thanks for the link. It has nothing to do with peer review. It was just glorious French Fake News to maintain the honor of the republic 1960 becoming a nuclear armed super power.
Sow it did happen; nuclear weapons do work.
No, it was just a French Fake News show back in 1960. http://heiwaco.com/fabomb.htm explains it all.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 11, 2020, 03:03:37 AM
No, it was just a French Fake News show back in 1960.
And http://heiwaco.com/fabomb.htm tells many more lies about that.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 11, 2020, 06:21:09 AM
1 . All is military top secret for national security reasons since 1945 = no peer review ever.
The fact that a number of other countries have developed their own nuclear weapons sounds like peer review to me.
Well, when France developed its atomic and hydrogen bombs in the 1960's, there was no peer review!
How do you define peer review?  If one country builds an atomic bomb and then other countries build similar atomic bombs, then that sounds like peer review to me.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 11, 2020, 06:55:22 AM
1 . All is military top secret for national security reasons since 1945 = no peer review ever.
The fact that a number of other countries have developed their own nuclear weapons sounds like peer review to me.
Well, when France developed its atomic and hydrogen bombs in the 1960's, there was no peer review!
How do you define peer review?  If one country builds an atomic bomb and then other countries build similar atomic bombs, then that sounds like peer review to me.
No, it is just copy paste of a fake bomb with another fake bomb.
"Peer review is one of the gold standards of science. It’s a process where scientists (“peers”) evaluate the quality of other scientists’ work. By doing this, they aim to ensure the work is rigorous, coherent, uses past research and adds to what we already knew."
So no secrecy for national security reasons, please. And Nobel prize winner physics Niels Bohr could never explain what 'explosive fission' was and how to start and demonstrate it in a laboratory when he returned to Europe 1945.
We all knew what fission was - splitting of atoms under controlled conditions - but explosive fission was new. And pure Fake News!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on May 11, 2020, 06:58:31 AM
You are confusing what is peer reviewed.

Nobody peer reviewed the 2020 Chevrolet Corvette. That doesn’t mean the internal combustion engine doesn’t work.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on May 11, 2020, 07:06:40 AM
You are confusing what is peer reviewed.

Nobody peer reviewed the 2020 Chevrolet Corvette. That doesn’t mean the internal combustion engine doesn’t work.

If no one looks under the bonnet, there is no guarantee there is even an engine inside
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on May 11, 2020, 10:10:29 AM
You are confusing what is peer reviewed.

Nobody peer reviewed the 2020 Chevrolet Corvette. That doesn’t mean the internal combustion engine doesn’t work.

If no one looks under the bonnet, there is no guarantee there is even an engine inside

Hard to test drive a new corvette if it doesn't have an engine. No need to look under the bonnet.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on May 11, 2020, 10:13:51 AM
1 . All is military top secret for national security reasons since 1945 = no peer review ever.
The fact that a number of other countries have developed their own nuclear weapons sounds like peer review to me.
Well, when France developed its atomic and hydrogen bombs in the 1960's, there was no peer review! http://heiwaco.com/fabomb.htm

Sure there was peer review. Pretty much every nuclear nation in the world condemned it. Doesn't get more peer reviewed than that.


Thanks for the link. It has nothing to do with peer review. It was just glorious French Fake News to maintain the honor of the republic 1960 becoming a nuclear armed super power.

There's no evidence that it was fake. There's no evidence on your site either. Just you stating, "It was fake!" That's not evidence.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 11, 2020, 12:05:15 PM
1 . All is military top secret for national security reasons since 1945 = no peer review ever.
The fact that a number of other countries have developed their own nuclear weapons sounds like peer review to me.
Well, when France developed its atomic and hydrogen bombs in the 1960's, there was no peer review!
How do you define peer review?  If one country builds an atomic bomb and then other countries build similar atomic bombs, then that sounds like peer review to me.
No, it is just copy paste of a fake bomb with another fake bomb.
Have you ever looked for peer reviewed articles concerning atomic bombs?  I did a quick Google search for "atomic bomb peer reviewed articles" and found plenty.  Who knows, maybe all of the peer reviews are fake too.

"Peer review is one of the gold standards of science. It’s a process where scientists (“peers”) evaluate the quality of other scientists’ work. By doing this, they aim to ensure the work is rigorous, coherent, uses past research and adds to what we already knew."
So no secrecy for national security reasons, please.
Nuclear physics is a well established, peer reviewed science and the basic principles of supercritical chain reactions are well known. The biggest secrets are those dealing with the technical challenges of reaching and maintaining that supercritical state.

And Nobel prize winner physics Niels Bohr could never explain what 'explosive fission' was and how to start and demonstrate it in a laboratory when he returned to Europe 1945.
Probably because he knew that it was still top secret information that was best not disclosed.

We all knew what fission was - splitting of atoms under controlled conditions - but explosive fission was new. And pure Fake News!
Everything is "Fake News!", until it isn't.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 11, 2020, 06:55:03 PM
1 . All is military top secret for national security reasons since 1945 = no peer review ever.
The fact that a number of other countries have developed their own nuclear weapons sounds like peer review to me.
Well, when France developed its atomic and hydrogen bombs in the 1960's, there was no peer review!
How do you define peer review?  If one country builds an atomic bomb and then other countries build similar atomic bombs, then that sounds like peer review to me.
No, it is just copy paste of a fake bomb with another fake bomb.
Have you ever looked for peer reviewed articles concerning atomic bombs?  I did a quick Google search for "atomic bomb peer reviewed articles" and found plenty.  Who knows, maybe all of the peer reviews are fake too.

"Peer review is one of the gold standards of science. It’s a process where scientists (“peers”) evaluate the quality of other scientists’ work. By doing this, they aim to ensure the work is rigorous, coherent, uses past research and adds to what we already knew."
So no secrecy for national security reasons, please.
Nuclear physics is a well established, peer reviewed science and the basic principles of supercritical chain reactions are well known. The biggest secrets are those dealing with the technical challenges of reaching and maintaining that supercritical state.

And Nobel prize winner physics Niels Bohr could never explain what 'explosive fission' was and how to start and demonstrate it in a laboratory when he returned to Europe 1945.
Probably because he knew that it was still top secret information that was best not disclosed.

We all knew what fission was - splitting of atoms under controlled conditions - but explosive fission was new. And pure Fake News!
Everything is "Fake News!", until it isn't.
I haven't found any peer reviewed scientific paper about 'explosive fission', i.e. that two sub-critical (LOL) masses of fissionable metals are suddenly brought in contact to become one critical mass, that explodes, ignited by a free neutron in between
Fission is not explosive! Niels Bohr could never explain the contrary.
What convinced me that Nuclear Bombs do not exist is of course the fact that the gangster Stalin copied the concept in no time - without peer review! Stalin is famous for pseudo-science. He just murdered any scientist not agreeing with him! I understand the professors at the Bergakademi at Freiberg i.Sa. that agreed 1945 that Saxon pechblende could be used to make an a-bomb.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 11, 2020, 08:02:50 PM
I haven't found any peer reviewed scientific paper about 'explosive fission', i.e. that two sub-critical (LOL) masses of fissionable metals are suddenly brought in contact to become one critical mass, that explodes, ignited by a free neutron in between
Fission is not explosive!
Possibly because, as you say, all you'll get if you do that is runaway nuclear fission, not a detonation.

Quote from: Heiwa
Niels Bohr could never explain the contrary.
Why would Niels Bohr reveal what were probably still nuclear secrets to a blabbermouth like you?

But now do we know a bit about it:
Quote from: Alex Wellerstein
The Nuclear Secrecy Blog: What did Bohr do at Los Alamos? (http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2015/05/11/bohr-at-los-alamos/)
In fact, Bohr did work on the bomb. And not just on esoteric aspects of the physics, either; one of his role was concerned with the very heart of the “Gadget.”
One of the key parts of the implosion design for the atomic bomb (the same sort of bomb detonated at Trinity and over Nagasaki) is the neutron initiator that sits at the absolute center of the device. It is a deceptively tricky little contraption. At the instance of maximum compression, it needs to send out a small burst of neutrons, to get the whole chain reaction started. It’s not even that many neutrons, objectively speaking — on the order of a hundred or so in the first bombs. But conjuring up a hundred neutrons, at the center of an imploding nuclear assembly, at just the right moment, was a tricky technical problem, apparently.

The details are still classified-enough that figuring out exactly what the nature of the problem it proves a little tough in retrospect.
Quote from: Heiwa
What convinced me that Nuclear Bombs do not exist is of course the fact that the gangster Stalin copied the concept in no time - without peer review! Stalin is famous for pseudo-science. He just murdered any scientist not agreeing with him!
Who cares what Stalin did or didn't say?
He probably lied more than you state false information out of sheer ignorance.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 11, 2020, 11:22:53 PM
What did the Manhattan project pseudo-scientists incl. Niels Bohr and some communist spies with FBI looking on do at Los Alamos 1942/5? I assume they had to create a fake a-bomb between drinking, fucking, skiing, etc, so they came up with explosive fission, critical masses and  similar nonsense.
Runaway fission? No, it takes some nano-seconds to ignite an a-bomb at the speed of light observed by a FLASH. Neutron initiator? ROTFL.
Anyway, All became classified, nuclear secrets without any peer review 1945.
Stalin? Uncle Joe! Franklin D Roosevelt loved him. But those were the days.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on May 11, 2020, 11:43:33 PM
What did the Manhattan project pseudo-scientists incl. Niels Bohr and some communist spies with FBI looking on do at Los Alamos 1942/5? I assume they had to create a fake a-bomb between drinking, fucking, skiing, etc, so they came up with explosive fission, critical masses and  similar nonsense.
Runaway fission? No, it takes some nano-seconds to ignite an a-bomb at the speed of light observed by a FLASH. Neutron initiator? ROTFL.
Anyway, All became classified, nuclear secrets without any peer review 1945.
Stalin? Uncle Joe! Franklin D Roosevelt loved him. But those were the days.

Are you angry about something? Because here again, you spew out a bunch of vitriol, but none of it speaks to evidence. Do you have any evidence? None exists on your site.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 12, 2020, 01:47:03 AM
What did the Manhattan project pseudo-scientists incl. Niels Bohr and some communist spies with FBI looking on do at Los Alamos 1942/5? I assume they had to create a fake a-bomb between drinking, fucking, skiing, etc, so they came up with explosive fission, critical masses and  similar nonsense.
Runaway fission? No, it takes some nano-seconds to ignite an a-bomb at the speed of light observed by a FLASH. Neutron initiator? ROTFL.
Anyway, All became classified, nuclear secrets without any peer review 1945.
Stalin? Uncle Joe! Franklin D Roosevelt loved him. But those were the days.

Are you angry about something? Because here again, you spew out a bunch of vitriol, but none of it speaks to evidence. Do you have any evidence? None exists on your site.
I am not angry. No reason to be angry. I enjoy publishing my proven findings at my website and at social fora and I also pay anyone €1M when shown that I am wrong.
My principal objective today is only that nuclear bombs are officially declared a hoax created back in 1945, so we can all relax not being killed by nuclear weapons. I cannot understand why presidents like Trump, Putin and Macron cannot do it. Or this clown Kim.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 12, 2020, 06:25:09 AM
What convinced me that Nuclear Bombs do not exist is of course the fact that the gangster Stalin copied the concept in no time - without peer review!
Actually, Stalin had at least 2 spies working on the Manhattan Project, so they were able to peer review and then reproduce the bomb relatively quickly.
https://www.osti.gov/opennet/manhattan-project-history/Events/1942-1945/espionage.htm
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 12, 2020, 08:34:06 AM
What convinced me that Nuclear Bombs do not exist is of course the fact that the gangster Stalin copied the concept in no time - without peer review!
Actually, Stalin had at least 2 spies working on the Manhattan Project, so they were able to peer review and then reproduce the bomb relatively quickly.
https://www.osti.gov/opennet/manhattan-project-history/Events/1942-1945/espionage.htm
Well, the two Stalin spies just told Stalin that the whole Manhattan thing was a hoax. And don't forget the two Rosenberg Americans that were executed (or probably given new identities) for having helped them. What a soap opera. Thanks for the ridiculous link and the photo of the Stalin (fake) a-bomb explosion August 29, 1949. Where did the black smoke come from?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 12, 2020, 09:58:41 AM
Well, the two Stalin spies just told Stalin that the whole Manhattan thing was a hoax.
How do you know what those spies told Stalin?  Were you spying on Stalin's spies?

Also, why are you so obsessed with learning how to make your own atomic bomb?  What possible good could come of it?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on May 12, 2020, 10:21:29 AM
Well, the two Stalin spies just told Stalin that the whole Manhattan thing was a hoax.
How do you know what those spies told Stalin?  Were you spying on Stalin's spies?

Also, why are you so obsessed with learning how to make your own atomic bomb?  What possible good could come of it?

I think he wants to nuke sweden for not agreeing with his view of the M/S Estonia.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 12, 2020, 12:49:32 PM
Well, the two Stalin spies just told Stalin that the whole Manhattan thing was a hoax.
How do you know what those spies told Stalin?  Were you spying on Stalin's spies?

Well, to make a fake a-bomb Stalin needed fake Uranium ore. Where? Erzgebirge, Saxony. Easy! Wismut AG! Aue, Annaberg, Chemnitz, etc. Produced fake Uranium 1945-1990.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 12, 2020, 12:53:42 PM
Well, the two Stalin spies just told Stalin that the whole Manhattan thing was a hoax.

Also, why are you so obsessed with learning how to make your own atomic bomb?  What possible good could come of it?
? I wasn't born when Sweden's government asked Manne Siegbahn to make a Swedish a-bomb 1945. Manne said that he would do it but everything must be public and peer reviewed, etc. I explain it at my website.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 12, 2020, 03:02:20 PM
Well, the two Stalin spies just told Stalin that the whole Manhattan thing was a hoax.

Also, why are you so obsessed with learning how to make your own atomic bomb?  What possible good could come of it?
? I wasn't born when Sweden's government asked Manne Siegbahn to make a Swedish a-bomb 1945. Manne said that he would do it but everything must be public and peer reviewed, etc. I explain it at my website.
Why would a public and peer reviewed atomic bomb be a good idea? ???
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 12, 2020, 05:46:57 PM
Well, the two Stalin spies just told Stalin that the whole Manhattan thing was a hoax.

Also, why are you so obsessed with learning how to make your own atomic bomb?  What possible good could come of it?
? I wasn't born when Sweden's government asked Manne Siegbahn to make a Swedish a-bomb 1945. Manne said that he would do it but everything must be public and peer reviewed, etc. I explain it at my website.
Why would a public and peer reviewed atomic bomb be a good idea? ???
To establish that it exist. But all atomic bombs are cheap propaganda and Fake News. They are not real.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 12, 2020, 07:30:28 PM
Well, the two Stalin spies just told Stalin that the whole Manhattan thing was a hoax.

Also, why are you so obsessed with learning how to make your own atomic bomb?  What possible good could come of it?
? I wasn't born when Sweden's government asked Manne Siegbahn to make a Swedish a-bomb 1945. Manne said that he would do it but everything must be public and peer reviewed, etc. I explain it at my website.
Why would a public and peer reviewed atomic bomb be a good idea? ???
To establish that it exist.
Peer review would do no more that help establish that the theory was sound but eye-witness accounts of the actual nuclear explosions might be better evidence.

Eyewitness account of Hiroshima bombing
               
Nagasaki Atomic Bomb Survivor Tells Her Story

Quote from: Father John A. Siemes
Eyewitness Account of Hiroshima (http://www.atomicarchive.com/Docs/Hiroshima/Hiroshima_Siemes.shtml)
Father John A. Siemes, professor of modern philosophy at Tokyo's Catholic University, Hiroshima- August 6th, 1945
Up to August 6th, occasional bombs, which did no great damage, had fallen on Hiroshima. Many cities roundabout, one after the other, were destroyed, but Hiroshima itself remained protected. There were almost daily observation planes over the city but none of them dropped a bomb. The citizens wondered why they alone had remained undisturbed for so long a time. There were fantastic rumors that the enemy had something special in mind for this city, but no one dreamed that the end would come in such a fashion as on the morning of August 6th.
<< The rest at the linked site. >>
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 12, 2020, 07:42:56 PM
Well, the two Stalin spies just told Stalin that the whole Manhattan thing was a hoax.

Also, why are you so obsessed with learning how to make your own atomic bomb?  What possible good could come of it?
? I wasn't born when Sweden's government asked Manne Siegbahn to make a Swedish a-bomb 1945. Manne said that he would do it but everything must be public and peer reviewed, etc. I explain it at my website.
Why would a public and peer reviewed atomic bomb be a good idea? ???
To establish that it exist. But all atomic bombs are cheap propaganda and Fake News. They are not real.
I would think that a simple demonstration would be enough to establish that something exists.  After all, there are many things that exist that are not public or peer reviewed for any number of good reasons.  For example, keeping weapons of mass destruction out of the hands of terrorists comes to mind.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 12, 2020, 11:33:16 PM
Well, the two Stalin spies just told Stalin that the whole Manhattan thing was a hoax.

Also, why are you so obsessed with learning how to make your own atomic bomb?  What possible good could come of it?
? I wasn't born when Sweden's government asked Manne Siegbahn to make a Swedish a-bomb 1945. Manne said that he would do it but everything must be public and peer reviewed, etc. I explain it at my website.
Why would a public and peer reviewed atomic bomb be a good idea? ???
To establish that it exist. But all atomic bombs are cheap propaganda and Fake News. They are not real.
I would think that a simple demonstration would be enough to establish that something exists.  After all, there are many things that exist that are not public or peer reviewed for any number of good reasons.  For example, keeping weapons of mass destruction out of the hands of terrorists comes to mind.
I fully agree. Small scale tests in a laboratory is a good scientific way to demonstrate things. But what things exist and cannot be public for good reasons?
Re terrorists - it seems they can buy/steal/obtain any weapons they like on the market today. But why would they go for nukes? Only complete idiots come up with such crazy ideas.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 13, 2020, 12:17:02 AM
I would think that a simple demonstration would be enough to establish that something exists.  After all, there are many things that exist that are not public or peer reviewed for any number of good reasons.  For example, keeping weapons of mass destruction out of the hands of terrorists comes to mind.
I fully agree. Small scale tests in a laboratory is a good scientific way to demonstrate things.
But there are quite a number of things that cannot, at least at present, be demonstrated as "Small scale tests in a laboratory".
For example:
But being unable to demonstrate something on a small scale in a laboratory is no reason to doubt their existence.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 13, 2020, 01:34:11 AM
I would think that a simple demonstration would be enough to establish that something exists.  After all, there are many things that exist that are not public or peer reviewed for any number of good reasons.  For example, keeping weapons of mass destruction out of the hands of terrorists comes to mind.
I fully agree. Small scale tests in a laboratory is a good scientific way to demonstrate things.
But there are quite a number of things that cannot, at least at present, be demonstrated as "Small scale tests in a laboratory".
For example:
  • The type of fusion process that generates the prodigious energy of the Sun.

  • Nuclear fission and fusion explosions.

  • A convincing gravitation demonstration of the Moon orbiting the Earth while the Earth orbits the Sun.
But being unable to demonstrate something on a small scale in a laboratory is no reason to doubt their existence.
I agree.
1. Sun fusion cannot be tested on Earth. Plenty money has been spent to prove the contrary, e.g. down the road from me. I describe it at my website. They are still at it. First fusion is planned 2050!
2. Nuclear fission and fusion explosions are just Fake News to confuse people. I pay anyone €1M if proven wrong. Just visit my website.
3. Looking out of my window I can see the Moon orbiting Earth, while Earth orbits the Sun. You don't have to visit my website for it.
Thanks for your post.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 13, 2020, 02:48:59 AM
I would think that a simple demonstration would be enough to establish that something exists.  After all, there are many things that exist that are not public or peer reviewed for any number of good reasons.  For example, keeping weapons of mass destruction out of the hands of terrorists comes to mind.
I fully agree. Small scale tests in a laboratory is a good scientific way to demonstrate things.
But there are quite a number of things that cannot, at least at present, be demonstrated as "Small scale tests in a laboratory".
For example:
  • The type of fusion process that generates the prodigious energy of the Sun.

  • Nuclear fission and fusion explosions.

  • A convincing gravitation demonstration of the Moon orbiting the Earth while the Earth orbits the Sun.
But being unable to demonstrate something on a small scale in a laboratory is no reason to doubt their existence.
I agree.
1. Sun fusion cannot be tested on Earth. Plenty money has been spent to prove the contrary, e.g. down the road from me. I describe it at my website. They are still at it. First fusion is planned 2050!
Nobody is even trying to emulate the "type of fusion process that generates the prodigious energy of the Sun."
In the core of the Sun "The temperature is 15.6 million Kelvin and the pressure is 250 billion atmospheres".
This can support the proton-proton fusion reaction but that pressure is so far not achievable on Earth so a deterium-tritium reaction is used but it has the disadvantage that most of the energy is released as neutrons.

Quote from: Heiwa
2. Nuclear fission and fusion explosions are just Fake News to confuse people.
No, it's more like "your website is just Fake News to confuse people."

Quote from: Heiwa
3. Looking out of my window I can see the Moon orbiting Earth, while Earth orbits the Sun. You don't have to visit my website for it.
Thanks for your post.
How does that prove that the Moon orbits the Earth and the Earth orbits the Sun?
Flat Earthers claim that both the Sun and Moon circle about 5000 km above the Earth.
How do you prove thst they don't?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on May 13, 2020, 02:49:23 AM
Well if atomic bombs did exist and were detonated, our entire atmosphere would have fused and ignited in a nuclear hellfire killing everything on Earth

Given we are here and breathing, that is pretty solid evidence that nuclear bombs are fake news
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 13, 2020, 03:07:06 AM
Well if atomic bombs did exist and were detonated, our entire atmosphere would have fused and ignited in a nuclear hellfire killing everything on Earth
Why? Please post some evidence.
Oxygen and nitrogen won't burn in a chemical reaction  an even the temperature in the core of the Sun is not enough to fuse nitrogen and oxygen to make heavier elements.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on May 13, 2020, 03:33:30 AM
Well if atomic bombs did exist and were detonated, our entire atmosphere would have fused and ignited in a nuclear hellfire killing everything on Earth
Why? Please post some evidence.
Oxygen and nitrogen won't burn in a chemical reaction  an even the temperature in the core of the Sun is not enough to fuse nitrogen and oxygen to make heavier elements.

The core of a star is cold compared to what they have said a nuclear explosion is capable of doing which is hundreds of millions of degrees. That is more than enough to cause a cascade reaction in igniting the atmosphere. This concern was the reason the Manhatten project was dumped.

Of course as history records, they completed the project and dropped them over Japan. Then the world got batshit crazy and 'tested' thousands of detonations over the decades. What nonsense.

The destruction of Japan could be achieved with 'conventional' bombs far cheaper. If you test the background radiation of Hiroshima or Nagasaki, it is the same as where you probably are. Given the half life of the nuclear materials being in the hundreds or many thousands of years, this is impossible if they had an atomic bomb dropped on them only 75 years ago

Or take a look at Chernobyl. Flora and fauna are flourishing.

Fukushima? Animals are probably happy now that humans are no longer there
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on May 13, 2020, 03:59:14 AM
The atmosphere catching on fire was an old idea. It clearly didn’t happen.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on May 13, 2020, 04:18:18 AM
It clearly didn’t happen.

Yes. That's what I said.

See rab, even sokarul agrees  ;D
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on May 13, 2020, 04:26:24 AM
Your argument is the old one. It’s not original. The atmosphere did not ignite from any nuclear bomb tests or the two used in battle.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on May 13, 2020, 04:42:28 AM
Well if atomic bombs did exist and were detonated, our entire atmosphere would have fused and ignited in a nuclear hellfire killing everything on Earth

Given we are here and breathing, that is pretty solid evidence that nuclear bombs are fake news

I'm curious. You don't believe in nuclear bombs.

Do you believe in any kind of nuclear reactions? Fission? Fusion? Is radiation real? Is uranium real?

At what point do you draw a line and call nukes Fake News, and on the other side, accept reality?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on May 13, 2020, 05:01:55 AM
Your argument is the old one. It’s not original. The atmosphere did not ignite from any nuclear bomb tests or the two used in battle.

I never claimed I was the the original author of the argument. Geeks more intelligent and versed in science than you or rab told of the impending doom to all mankind should a nuclear bomb ignite in our atmosphere.

So it was shelved

But never let a good crisis go to waste. Fake news could instill fear and compliance among people without the need to destroy the Earth.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 13, 2020, 05:05:15 AM
Well if atomic bombs did exist and were detonated, our entire atmosphere would have fused and ignited in a nuclear hellfire killing everything on Earth
Why? Please post some evidence.
Oxygen and nitrogen won't burn in a chemical reaction  an even the temperature in the core of the Sun is not enough to fuse nitrogen and oxygen to make heavier elements.

The core of a star is cold compared to what they have said a nuclear explosion is capable of doing which is hundreds of millions of degrees. That is more than enough to cause a cascade reaction in igniting the atmosphere.
Nope! Not going to happen by a long shot.
The temperature in a fission explosion is about 100 million degrees Celsius.
The temperature to fuse carbon into nitrogen and oxygen is around 600 million degrees Celsius.
Quote
MASSIVE STARS
Once massive stars reach the red giant phase, the core temperature continues to increase as carbon atoms are formed from the fusion of helium atoms. Gravity continues to pull together the carbon atoms in the core until the temperature reaches 600,000,000 degrees Celsius. At this temperature, carbon atoms form heavy elements such as oxygen and nitrogen.

Then
Quote
At temperatures between 5 × 108 K and 109 K, pairs of carbon and oxygen nuclei can fuse to produce such elements as magnesium, sodium, silicon, and sulfur.

Where do you drag all your fiction from?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on May 13, 2020, 05:09:02 AM
Well if atomic bombs did exist and were detonated, our entire atmosphere would have fused and ignited in a nuclear hellfire killing everything on Earth

Given we are here and breathing, that is pretty solid evidence that nuclear bombs are fake news

I'm curious. You don't believe in nuclear bombs.

Do you believe in any kind of nuclear reactions? Fission? Fusion? Is radiation real? Is uranium real?

At what point do you draw a line and call nukes Fake News, and on the other side, accept reality?

I'm with Heiwa in that I don't believe the bombs exist. But that in no way says they are in the realm of impossibility

You seem arrogant in that you believe mankind is at the zenith of all knowledge. As in, if we dont know something today, it must not be possible.

Why do you think a disbelief in nuclear bombs must equal a disbelief in radiation or uranium?

Personally, a nuclear bomb as advertised (ie not ignite the Earths atmosphere) is still a costly an inefficient means of destruction. You can achieve far more damage with cyber warfare. Or an antimatter bomb
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 13, 2020, 05:35:33 AM
Your argument is the old one. It’s not original. The atmosphere did not ignite from any nuclear bomb tests or the two used in battle.

I never claimed I was the the original author of the argument. Geeks more intelligent and versed in science than you or rab told of the impending doom to all mankind should a nuclear bomb ignite in our atmosphere.
And who are these faceless unnamed Geeks? I didn't post my "intelligence" but you just spouted old baseless fears.

I suggest that the very people that designed the weapons might be the ones to best answer that M
Furphy.

And here's what they said, pretty near in full.
Quote from: John Horgan
Bethe, Teller, Trinity and the End of Earth (https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/bethe-teller-trinity-and-the-end-of-earth/)

A leader of the Manhattan Project recalls a discussion of whether the Trinity test would ignite Earth's atmosphere and destroy the planet


Well, I’ll let Bethe tell the story in his own words. Here is an exact transcript of my interview with him, which took place at his home in Ithaca, New York.

Horgan: I wonder if you could tell me a little bit about the story of Teller's suggestion that the atomic bomb might ignite the atmosphere around the Earth.

Bethe: It is such absolute nonsense [laughter], and the public has been interested in it… And possibly it would be good to kill it once more. So one day at Berkeley -- we were a very small group, maybe eight physicists or so -- one day Teller came to the office and said, "Well, what would happen to the air if an atomic bomb were exploded in the air?"  The original idea about the hydrogen bomb was that one would explode an atomic bomb and then simply the heat from the atomic bomb would ignite a large vessel of deuterium… and make it react.  So Teller said, "Well, how about the air?  There's nitrogen in the air, and you can have a nuclear reaction in which two nitrogen nuclei collide and become oxygen plus carbon, and in this process you set free a lot of energy.  Couldn't that happen?"  And that caused great excitement.

Horgan: This is in ‘42?

Bethe: '42. Oppenheimer [soon to be appointed head of Los Alamos Laboratory] got quite excited and said, "That's a terrible possibility," and he went to his superior, who was Arthur Compton, the director of the Chicago Laboratory, and told him that.  Well, I sat down and looked at the problem, about whether two nitrogen nuclei could penetrate each other and make that nuclear reaction, and I found that it was just incredibly unlikely.  And I said so, and I think Teller was very quickly convinced and so was Oppenheimer when he'd returned from seeing Compton.  Later on we found out that it is very difficult to ignite deuterium by an atomic bomb, and liquid deuterium, which is much easier to ignite than the gas, but at the time in '42 we thought it might be very easy to ignite liquid deuterium.  Well, Teller, I think he has to be much commended for that.  Teller at Los Alamos put a very good calculator on this problem, [Emil] Konopinski, who was an expert on weak interactors, and Konopinski together with [inaudible] showed that it was incredibly impossible to set the hydrogen, to set the atmosphere on fire.  They wrote one or two very good papers on it, and that put the question really at rest.  They showed in great detail why it is impossible.  But, of course, it spooked [Compton].  Well, let me first say one other thing:  Fermi, of course, didn't believe that this was possible, but just to relieve the tension at the Los Alamos [Trinity] test [on July 16, 1945], he said, "Now, let's make a bet whether the atmosphere will be set on fire by this test." [laughter] And I think maybe a few people took that bet.  But, for instance, in Compton's mind it was not set to rest.  He didn't see my calculations.  He even less saw Konopinski’s much better calculations, so it was still spooking in his mind when he gave an interview at some point, and so it got into the open literature, and people are still excited about it.

Horgan: When did Compton give his interview?

Bethe: After the War.  I don’t know precisely when.  Maybe, I don't know, '47, '48. Some such time. [The date was 1959. See Addendum.] And that got other people excited, and there was one exchange of letters in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, but by then of course it was absolutely clear, and it was absolutely clear before the Los Alamos test that nothing like that would happen. In this form, I think I have no objection to your writing it.

Horgan: I think what makes it such a fascinating episode… is the idea of doing a calculation on which possibly could rest the fate of the world. [laughter]

Bethe: Right, right.

Horgan: That's obviously an extraordinary kind of calculation to do. Did you have any...  Did you even think about that issue when you saw the Trinity test?

Bethe: No.

Horgan: You were absolutely--

Bethe: Yes.

Horgan: -- completely certain.

Bethe: Yes. The one thing in my mind was that maybe the initiator would not work because I had a lot to do with its design, and that the whole thing would be a fizzle because the initiator wasn't working.  No, it never occurred to me that it would set the atmosphere on fire.

Horgan: In a way, this is like a great test of one's belief --

Bethe: In science. [laughter]
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Buck had “completely misunderstood” Compton and that there was “no chance whatever” that an atomic blast would “ignite the atmosphere.”

Bethe concludes his piece with comments relevant to my recent posts (see below) on whether our fears of nuclear weapons are excessive:

There are many excellent reasons against nuclear war, and these are well known to our statesmen as well as to our scientists. On this one point, I can agree with Dudley; there must not be nuclear war. But it is totally unnecessary to add to the many good reasons against nuclear war one which simply is not true.”


Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 13, 2020, 05:43:02 AM
Personally, a nuclear bomb as advertised (ie not ignite the Earths atmosphere) is still a costly an inefficient means of destruction. You can achieve far more damage with cyber warfare. Or an antimatter bomb
Except that neither "cyber warfare nor an antimatter bomb" were possibilities in the 1940s and fission weapons were.

Even now an "an antimatter bomb" is hardly a possibility and would be hideously expense if it were but I doubt that anyone is even planning one.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on May 13, 2020, 06:19:12 AM
Bethe sounds like a paid shill. Pay no mind to his words
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 13, 2020, 07:20:57 AM
Quote from: Heiwa
3. Looking out of my window I can see the Moon orbiting Earth, while Earth orbits the Sun. You don't have to visit my website for it.
Thanks for your post.
How does that prove that the Moon orbits the Earth and the Earth orbits the Sun?
Flat Earthers claim that both the Sun and Moon circle about 5000 km above the Earth.
How do you prove that they don't?
I just look out of the window. I see the Moon orbiting Earth with the Sun shining on it. Then I see the Sun rise in the morning at the horizon and set in the evening behind some mountains. Using a calendar and clock Earth orbits the Sun in a year and the Moon orbits Earth in 28 days.
Using same thinking I can show that nuclear bombs do not exist.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on May 13, 2020, 07:38:30 AM
I'm curious. You don't believe in nuclear bombs.

Do you believe in any kind of nuclear reactions? Fission? Fusion? Is radiation real? Is uranium real?

At what point do you draw a line and call nukes Fake News, and on the other side, accept reality?

I'm with Heiwa in that I don't believe the bombs exist. But that in no way says they are in the realm of impossibility

You seem arrogant in that you believe mankind is at the zenith of all knowledge. As in, if we dont know something today, it must not be possible.

Why do you think a disbelief in nuclear bombs must equal a disbelief in radiation or uranium?

Personally, a nuclear bomb as advertised (ie not ignite the Earths atmosphere) is still a costly an inefficient means of destruction. You can achieve far more damage with cyber warfare. Or an antimatter bomb

That's what's confusing.  You say you don't believe nuclear bombs can exist, but believe nuclear fusion is real?

Plutonium exists.
Plutonium is radioactive.
Small amounts release heat.
Larger amounts release more heat.
A big enough pile will release enough radiation to kill you.
Throw enough together and you get an explosion. (Look up Demon Core and 
Throw even more together fast enough and get a bigger explosion.

Somewhere in that list you have decided the lies start. Why? Are nuclear power plants lies? How do you decide?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on May 13, 2020, 08:02:19 AM
I'm curious. You don't believe in nuclear bombs.

Do you believe in any kind of nuclear reactions? Fission? Fusion? Is radiation real? Is uranium real?

At what point do you draw a line and call nukes Fake News, and on the other side, accept reality?

I'm with Heiwa in that I don't believe the bombs exist. But that in no way says they are in the realm of impossibility

You seem arrogant in that you believe mankind is at the zenith of all knowledge. As in, if we dont know something today, it must not be possible.

Why do you think a disbelief in nuclear bombs must equal a disbelief in radiation or uranium?

Personally, a nuclear bomb as advertised (ie not ignite the Earths atmosphere) is still a costly an inefficient means of destruction. You can achieve far more damage with cyber warfare. Or an antimatter bomb

That's what's confusing.  You say you don't believe nuclear bombs can exist, but believe nuclear fusion is real?

Plutonium exists.
Plutonium is radioactive.
Small amounts release heat.
Larger amounts release more heat.
A big enough pile will release enough radiation to kill you.
Throw enough together and you get an explosion. (Look up Demon Core and 
Throw even more together fast enough and get a bigger explosion.

Somewhere in that list you have decided the lies start. Why? Are nuclear power plants lies? How do you decide?

I didn't say nuclear bombs are impossible per say - just that they have not been detonated on Earth, either because they are too scared to be the harbingers of the apocalypse or because our technology hasn't cracked it

Does it seem plausible to you that thousands of these nuclear bombs have been detonated in 'testing' and no adverse impacts to the Earth in terms of fallout or ozone damage etc has happened?

Kim Jong Un claims to have nukes. Yet for all his grandiose displays hides the explosions inside a mountain? On his own soil?

Yeah right

Fake news. Just bluster to scare other world leaders into compliance.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on May 13, 2020, 08:23:42 AM
I didn't say nuclear bombs are impossible per say - just that they have not been detonated on Earth, either because they are too scared to be the harbingers of the apocalypse or because our technology hasn't cracked it

Does it seem plausible to you that thousands of these nuclear bombs have been detonated in 'testing' and no adverse impacts to the Earth in terms of fallout or ozone damage etc has happened?

Kim Jong Un claims to have nukes. Yet for all his grandiose displays hides the explosions inside a mountain? On his own soil?

Yeah right

Fake news. Just bluster to scare other world leaders into compliance.

There certainly have been adverse effects!  See, Bikini Atoll for a good example of a radioactive disaster area from several detonations.

Also look up how there is so much nuclear contamination in our atmosphere that we can literally detect painting forgeries because newer paintings have detectable radiation in the pigments.  Same with steel.  For super sensitive medical imaging equipment, they have to slave steel made before the 1940's because steel made after is contaminated with fallout.

So yes, the whole world is contaminated with fallout. We can easily measure it.

And what is so weird about detonating nukes underground where they can be contained safer, and also because the political 'fallout' is much less than above ground. Where else would you expect him to detonate it, in downtown Pyongyang?

And what world leaders are scaring who? All the major powers have nukes. If they were all lies, they wouldn't scare anyone. That makes zero sense.

There is so much evidence, so many films of detonations, the science is pretty simple and well settled. Anyone could build a nuke if they had some plutonium and a gun-device to detonate it. Refining the material is the hard part, building small devices is hard, but any idiot can make a cheap nuke. The evidence is overwhelming, including the population of two entire cities that were hit.

But I guess you think all those people with radiation poisoning were actors. Fake news.

Sorry if nukes scare you, but their real and hiding under the bed and yelling Fake news won't make them go away. Deal with it.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 13, 2020, 08:36:32 AM
Well if atomic bombs did exist and were detonated, our entire atmosphere would have fused and ignited in a nuclear hellfire killing everything on Earth
The atmoplane in the immediate vicinity of the bast probably did ignite.  However, maintaining that ignition for any significant length of time of an atmoplane that is 78% nitrogen isn't easy.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 13, 2020, 09:20:16 AM
I'm curious. You don't believe in nuclear bombs.

Do you believe in any kind of nuclear reactions? Fission? Fusion? Is radiation real? Is uranium real?

At what point do you draw a line and call nukes Fake News, and on the other side, accept reality?

I'm with Heiwa in that I don't believe the bombs exist. But that in no way says they are in the realm of impossibility

You seem arrogant in that you believe mankind is at the zenith of all knowledge. As in, if we dont know something today, it must not be possible.

Why do you think a disbelief in nuclear bombs must equal a disbelief in radiation or uranium?

Personally, a nuclear bomb as advertised (ie not ignite the Earths atmosphere) is still a costly an inefficient means of destruction. You can achieve far more damage with cyber warfare. Or an antimatter bomb

That's what's confusing.  You say you don't believe nuclear bombs can exist, but believe nuclear fusion is real?

Plutonium exists.
Plutonium is radioactive.
Small amounts release heat.
Larger amounts release more heat.
A big enough pile will release enough radiation to kill you.
Throw enough together and you get an explosion. (Look up Demon Core and 
Throw even more together fast enough and get a bigger explosion.

Somewhere in that list you have decided the lies start. Why? Are nuclear power plants lies? How do you decide?
To start - plutonium doesn't exist. It was a clever US invention, top military secret from around 1940. National security, you know.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on May 13, 2020, 09:38:41 AM
Actually no. An element with 94 protons exists.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 13, 2020, 10:18:34 AM
To start - plutonium doesn't exist. It was a clever US invention, top military secret from around 1940. National security, you know.
Actually, plutonium is a byproduct of Uranium powered reactors and is used as fuel in some peaceful nuclear power plants.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 13, 2020, 10:29:29 AM
To start - plutonium doesn't exist. It was a clever US invention, top military secret from around 1940. National security, you know.
Actually, plutonium is a byproduct of Uranium powered reactors and is used as fuel in some peaceful nuclear power plants.
Of course. But it doesn't exist in nature. It was invented 1940 so US could build a 2nd atomic bomb to kill civilian Japs at Nagasaki 1945. But it was pure propaganda, military top secret stuff and Fake News then. No such plutonium bomb exploded ever. Just show I am wrong and I pay you €1M. Only 1948 is was known that US Plutonium 94 was made in a cyclotron bombarding Uranium with protons, bla, bla, bla. In Sweden similar nonsense was done in a cyclotron of a friend of mine and Nobelium 102 was made. No peer review as usual. Only idiots work at that laboratory since 1980's and it hasn't discovered anything new since then.  Nuclear physics is >90% pseudo-science.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on May 13, 2020, 10:51:45 AM
To start - plutonium doesn't exist. It was a clever US invention, top military secret from around 1940. National security, you know.
Actually, plutonium is a byproduct of Uranium powered reactors and is used as fuel in some peaceful nuclear power plants.
Of course. But it doesn't exist in nature. It was invented 1940 so US could build a 2nd atomic bomb to kill civilian Japs at Nagasaki 1945. But it was pure propaganda, military top secret stuff and Fake News then. No such plutonium bomb exploded ever. Just show I am wrong and I pay you €1M. Only 1948 is was known that US Plutonium 94 was made in a cyclotron bombarding Uranium with protons, bla, bla, bla. In Sweden similar nonsense was done in a cyclotron of a friend of mine and Nobelium 102 was made. No peer review as usual. Nuclear physics is >90% pseudo-science.

What does Plutonium not existing in nature have to do with anything? Lots of things don't exist in nature, but we make them.

Plastic doesn't occur in nature, do you think everything made of plastic is fake news?

Prove to me WWI happened, I'll give you €10M. But you can't because I can just say "Fake news" to literally anything you say because you can't take me back in a time machine and show me.

If you simply claim that ALL EVIDENCE is "Fake news" with nothing to back it up you're not debating, you're just in denial with zero evidence and just posting conspiracy theory nonsense.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 13, 2020, 11:43:21 AM
To start - plutonium doesn't exist. It was a clever US invention, top military secret from around 1940. National security, you know.
Actually, plutonium is a byproduct of Uranium powered reactors and is used as fuel in some peaceful nuclear power plants.
Of course. But it doesn't exist in nature. It was invented 1940 so US could build a 2nd atomic bomb to kill civilian Japs at Nagasaki 1945. But it was pure propaganda, military top secret stuff and Fake News then. No such plutonium bomb exploded ever. Just show I am wrong and I pay you €1M. Only 1948 is was known that US Plutonium 94 was made in a cyclotron bombarding Uranium with protons, bla, bla, bla. In Sweden similar nonsense was done in a cyclotron of a friend of mine and Nobelium 102 was made. No peer review as usual. Nuclear physics is >90% pseudo-science.

What does Plutonium not existing in nature have to do with anything? Lots of things don't exist in nature, but we make them.

Plastic doesn't occur in nature, do you think everything made of plastic is fake news?

Prove to me WWI happened, I'll give you €10M. But you can't because I can just say "Fake news" to literally anything you say because you can't take me back in a time machine and show me.

If you simply claim that ALL EVIDENCE is "Fake news" with nothing to back it up you're not debating, you're just in denial with zero evidence and just posting conspiracy theory nonsense.

Plutonium doesn't exist anywhere. It is pseudo-science! See my website.

My WWI, WWII, cold war, war against Arab terrorists history 1914-2020 is at http://heiwaco.com/vk12.htm

I have written it because people accuse me of being a holocaust denier, which I am not.

However I am a proud a-bomb denier. I am in a-bomb denial since many years and all my evidence for it is at my website.

There are no conspiracy theories at my website. Just my findings that I am willing to debate and discuss any time.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on May 13, 2020, 03:11:30 PM
There are no conspiracy theories at my website. Just my findings that I am willing to debate and discuss any time.

con·spir·a·cy the·o·ry
noun
a belief that some covert but influential organization is responsible for a circumstance or event.


I think your website should be cited as an example in Websters.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 13, 2020, 04:10:08 PM
To start - plutonium doesn't exist. It was a clever US invention, top military secret from around 1940. National security, you know.
Actually, plutonium is a byproduct of Uranium powered reactors and is used as fuel in some peaceful nuclear power plants.
Of course. But it doesn't exist in nature. It was invented 1940 so US could build a 2nd atomic bomb to kill civilian Japs at Nagasaki 1945. But it was pure propaganda, military top secret stuff and Fake News then. No such plutonium bomb exploded ever. Just show I am wrong and I pay you €1M. Only 1948 is was known that US Plutonium 94 was made in a cyclotron bombarding Uranium with protons, bla, bla, bla. In Sweden similar nonsense was done in a cyclotron of a friend of mine and Nobelium 102 was made. No peer review as usual. Nuclear physics is >90% pseudo-science.

What does Plutonium not existing in nature have to do with anything? Lots of things don't exist in nature, but we make them.

Plastic doesn't occur in nature, do you think everything made of plastic is fake news?

Prove to me WWI happened, I'll give you €10M. But you can't because I can just say "Fake news" to literally anything you say because you can't take me back in a time machine and show me.

If you simply claim that ALL EVIDENCE is "Fake news" with nothing to back it up you're not debating, you're just in denial with zero evidence and just posting conspiracy theory nonsense.

Plutonium doesn't exist anywhere. It is pseudo-science! See my website.
Really? Why you would deny plutonium that is produced as a byproduct in ordinary nuclear power stations?
And it's an excellent fuel for said power stations except for . . . . .
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/Plutonium_pellet.jpg/400px-Plutonium_pellet.jpg)
Plutonium-238 oxide pellet glowing from its self-heating

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5531/9206388461_95992573ee.jpg)
A weapons-grade ring of electrorefined plutonium,
typical of the rings refined at Los Alamos and sent to Rocky Flats for fabrication.
The ring has a purity of 99.96%, weighs 5.3 kg, and is approx 11 cm in diameter.


Why would anyone waste there time at the website of one the foremost conspiracy theorists around?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on May 13, 2020, 05:22:54 PM
Plutonium doesn't exist anywhere. It is pseudo-science! See my website.

There are no conspiracy theories at my website.

Uh-huh.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 13, 2020, 07:50:32 PM
Plutonium doesn't exist anywhere. It is pseudo-science! See my website.
Really? Why you would deny plutonium that is produced as a byproduct in ordinary nuclear power stations?
And it's an excellent fuel for said power stations except for . . . . .
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/Plutonium_pellet.jpg/400px-Plutonium_pellet.jpg)
Plutonium-238 oxide pellet glowing from its self-heating

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5531/9206388461_95992573ee.jpg)
A weapons-grade ring of electrorefined plutonium,
typical of the rings refined at Los Alamos and sent to Rocky Flats for fabrication.
The ring has a purity of 99.96%, weighs 5.3 kg, and is approx 11 cm in diameter.


Why would anyone waste there time at the website of one the foremost conspiracy theorists around?
Yes, I know it is suggested (without peer review) that plutonium is produced in nuclear power plants.  I think the uranium in a power plant becomes other elements due to controlled fission.
That the existence of a-bombs is a conspiracy of many nuclear pseudo-scientists is easy to show. None of them can explain how to start 'explosive fission'. They are proud being nuclear scientists. I feel sorry for them.
And no plutonium is refined at Los Alamos. Just visit Los Alamos yourself. It is a dump.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on May 13, 2020, 08:54:40 PM
Am I part of the conspiracy
I saw the flash from Starfish Prime about 900 miles (1,450 km) the flash came from straight down was everywhere and was as bright as a flash of the camera lasting about two three seconds I then went to the pool level where I can look across the valley and what I saw was the street lights came back on. I was 12 at the time.
There was no line of sight involved,
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on May 13, 2020, 09:53:25 PM
Am I part of the conspiracy
I saw the flash from Starfish Prime about 900 miles (1,450 km) the flash came from straight down was everywhere and was as bright as a flash of the camera lasting about two three seconds I then went to the pool level where I can look across the valley and what I saw was the street lights came back on. I was 12 at the time.
There was no line of sight involved,

You are part of the conspiracy, you just may not know it.

The power of suggestion is quite powerful and can induce a false memory.

Hypnotherapy can do this quite effectively. As can subliminal messaging to an extent
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 13, 2020, 10:08:26 PM
None of them can explain how to start 'explosive fission'.
Big joke!
You mean that you can't "explain how to start 'explosive fission'."
And since you think that you're the smartest person :o in the world none of the top nuclear physicists "can explain how to start 'explosive fission' either."

But we know that you're nothing more a conspiritard suffering from terminal Dunning-Kruger Syndrome so we ignore all your silly claims.

Go and learn about the polonium 210 and beryllium nuclear fission initiator but don't try it at home >:D!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on May 13, 2020, 10:46:02 PM
so we ignore all your silly claims.

Your post count is at odds with this statement

Maybe the guy with Dunning-Kruger Syndrome is you?

Just a thought ;)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 13, 2020, 11:27:17 PM
None of them can explain how to start 'explosive fission'.
Big joke!
You mean that you can't "explain how to start 'explosive fission'."
And since you think that you're the smartest person :o in the world none of the top nuclear physicists "can explain how to start 'explosive fission' either."

But we know that you're nothing more a conspiritard suffering from terminal Dunning-Kruger Syndrome so we ignore all your silly claims.

Go and learn about the polonium 210 and beryllium nuclear fission initiator but don't try it at home >:D!
I recently asked 30 nuclear scientists (students, PhDs, professors) at the Upsala University to explain 'explosive fission' and 'how to start' it and ... nobody could. The professor got upset and his assistant failed.
So if I have 0.001 gram of Uranium 235 in a laboratory and activate a Polonium Beryllium neutron nuclear fission activator nearby, the 0.001 gram will FLASH and become energy? Will there be a mushroom cloud?
What about all the critical and non-critical masses of Uranium metal that explode when compressed to double density?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 13, 2020, 11:58:24 PM
so we ignore all your silly claims.

Your post count is at odds with this statement

Let me just reword that a little "so we just refute and ridicule all your silly claims. "
Just a thought ;)

But Heiwa's so far down the conspiracy rabbit hole that even AE911 Truth threw him out!
Quote from: tfk, Illuminator
International Skeptics Forum » 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Heiwa drummed out of AE911T? (http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253936)

Wow, how bad do you have to go from "Petitioner of the Month" to "hit the road, Jack" by AE911t?

It appears that Anders has been shown the door at Gage's group.

Disclosure: I say "appears" because I have no idea where or when this happened. 

However I see no reason to believe that this was initiated by Bjorkman. I suspect that Anders own nonsense at his Tripod site (i.e., all photos & videos showing planes impacting towers are fake, a-bombs don't work & shuttle flights, Mars landers & Apollo missions are all NASA hoaxes) was too much even for Gage.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 14, 2020, 12:25:42 AM

But Heiwa's so far down the conspiracy rabbit hole that even AE911 Truth threw him out!
Quote from: tfk, Illuminator
International Skeptics Forum » 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Heiwa drummed out of AE911T? (http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253936)

Wow, how bad do you have to go from "Petitioner of the Month" to "hit the road, Jack" by AE911t?

It appears that Anders has been shown the door at Gage's group.

Disclosure: I say "appears" because I have no idea where or when this happened.

However I see no reason to believe that this was initiated by Bjorkman. I suspect that Anders own nonsense at his Tripod site (i.e., all photos & videos showing planes impacting towers are fake, a-bombs don't work & shuttle flights, Mars landers & Apollo missions are all NASA hoaxes) was a too much even for Gage.
My friend Gage didn't like when I concluded no planes were involved at all at 911. All buildings were destroyed by controlled demolition. The live show on TV with planes was just pre-recorded CGI.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 14, 2020, 12:30:07 AM
My friend Gage didn't like when I concluded no planes were involved at all at 911. All buildings were destroyed by controlled demolition. The live show on TV with planes was just pre-recorded CGI.
In other words you are too far down the conspiracy rabbit hole for even AE911 Truth.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Psychomech on May 14, 2020, 12:30:18 AM
What about the thousands of eyewitnesses that were in New York City that day? Were they all part of the conspiracy?  ???
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: faded mike on May 14, 2020, 12:39:40 AM
Thank you you guys for opening my eyes to the very real possibility that nuclear bomb s do not exist.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on May 14, 2020, 12:59:45 AM

But Heiwa's so far down the conspiracy rabbit hole that even AE911 Truth threw him out!
Quote from: tfk, Illuminator
International Skeptics Forum » 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Heiwa drummed out of AE911T? (http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253936)

Wow, how bad do you have to go from "Petitioner of the Month" to "hit the road, Jack" by AE911t?

It appears that Anders has been shown the door at Gage's group.

Disclosure: I say "appears" because I have no idea where or when this happened.

However I see no reason to believe that this was initiated by Bjorkman. I suspect that Anders own nonsense at his Tripod site (i.e., all photos & videos showing planes impacting towers are fake, a-bombs don't work & shuttle flights, Mars landers & Apollo missions are all NASA hoaxes) was a too much even for Gage.
My friend Gage didn't like when I concluded no planes were involved at all at 911. All buildings were destroyed by controlled demolition. The live show on TV with planes was just pre-recorded CGI.

Where are the people from the planes?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on May 14, 2020, 01:04:01 AM
What about the thousands of eyewitnesses that were in New York City that day? Were they all part of the conspiracy?  ???

That really is the question. I had a friend and her husband who lived in Chelsea and watched the 2nd plane hit from their living room window. I suppose they and the 1000's of others who witnessed it are paid actors or something.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 14, 2020, 01:18:49 AM
So if I have 0.001 gram of Uranium 235 in a laboratory and activate a Polonium Beryllium neutron nuclear fission activator nearby, the 0.001 gram will FLASH and become energy? Will there be a mushroom cloud?
Of course not :o! And how do you plan on activating the Polonium Beryllium initiator?

Quote from: Heiwa
What about all the critical and non-critical masses of Uranium metal that explode when compressed to double density?
Who knows? Ask a nuclear physicist.
The earliest uranium weapons did not compress the uranium significantly.
Little Boy had about 64 kilograms of 95% enriched 235U. The critical mass of a bare sphere of 235U is about 47 kg.

The  "Trinity" test explosion was of an implosion-design 239Pu device as was Fat Man, the Nagasaki bomb.
The critical mass of a spherical uncompressed is about 11 kg but the Trinity Gadget and Fat Man only had 6.4 kg of 239Pu.

Traces of 240Pu in the 239Pu lead to premature fission and a "fizzer" so far less than critical mass was used but was compressed very rapidly to about twice the density.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MicroBeta on May 14, 2020, 01:31:51 AM
The core of a star is cold compared to what they have said a nuclear explosion is capable of doing which is hundreds of millions of degrees. That is more than enough to cause a cascade reaction in igniting the atmosphere. This concern was the reason the Manhatten project was dumped.
<snip>
First, could you define a "cascade reaction" as it applies here and just what it the minimum temperature over what minimum volume of the the atmosphere would you need to start such a reaction.  And, of course, citation please.

Second, you say "the Manhatten project was dumped"...citation please.

Mike
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 14, 2020, 02:50:46 AM
So if I have 0.001 gram of Uranium 235 in a laboratory and activate a Polonium Beryllium neutron nuclear fission activator nearby, the 0.001 gram will FLASH and become energy? Will there be a mushroom cloud?
Of course not :o! And how do you plan on activating the Polonium Beryllium initiator?

Quote from: Heiwa
What about all the critical and non-critical masses of Uranium metal that explode when compressed to double density?
Who knows? Ask a nuclear physicist.
The earliest uranium weapons did not compress the uranium significantly.
Little Boy had about 64 kilograms of 95% enriched 235U. The critical mass of a bare sphere of 235U is about 47 kg.

The  "Trinity" test explosion was of an implosion-design 239Pu device as was Fat Man, the Nagasaki bomb.
The critical mass of a spherical uncompressed is about 11 kg but the Trinity Gadget and Fat Man only had 6.4 kg of 239Pu.

Traces of 240Pu in the 239Pu lead to premature fission and a "fizzer" so far less than critical mass was used but was compressed very rapidly to about twice the density.
Yes I have heard it before. It was Fake News even then. Critical mass compressed to twice the density. ROTFL
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 14, 2020, 03:37:21 AM
Yes I have heard it before. It was Fake News even then
Where is your proof that it was fake news?
Just because your tiny brain can't understand it doesn't mean a thingl

Quote from: Heiwa
Critical mass compressed to twice the density.
Nobody said "Critical mass compressed to twice the density". You might understand better if you learned to read.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 14, 2020, 04:52:53 AM
Yes I have heard it before. It was Fake News even then
Where is your proof that it was fake news?
http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 14, 2020, 05:10:33 AM
Yes I have heard it before. It was Fake News even then
Where is your proof that it was fake news?
http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm
There are no proofs in there - just the demented ramblings of a sick old conspiritard.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 14, 2020, 06:37:19 AM
To start - plutonium doesn't exist. It was a clever US invention, top military secret from around 1940. National security, you know.
Actually, plutonium is a byproduct of Uranium powered reactors and is used as fuel in some peaceful nuclear power plants.
Of course. But it doesn't exist in nature.
Actually, it does but only in trace amounts in Uranium ore deposits. 
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on May 14, 2020, 06:45:09 AM
He’s already had all these comments about plutonium explained to him multiple times.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 14, 2020, 06:53:58 AM
So if I have 0.001 gram of Uranium 235 in a laboratory and activate a Polonium Beryllium neutron nuclear fission activator nearby, the 0.001 gram will FLASH and become energy?
No.

Will there be a mushroom cloud?
No.

What about all the critical and non-critical masses of Uranium metal that explode when compressed to double density?
Maybe this will help (but I doubt it):
https://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Library/Implsion.html
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 14, 2020, 07:01:07 AM
So if I have 0.001 gram of Uranium 235 in a laboratory and activate a Polonium Beryllium neutron nuclear fission activator nearby, the 0.001 gram will FLASH and become energy?
No.

Will there be a mushroom cloud?
No.

Why not?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 14, 2020, 11:15:39 AM
So if I have 0.001 gram of Uranium 235 in a laboratory and activate a Polonium Beryllium neutron nuclear fission activator nearby, the 0.001 gram will FLASH and become energy?
No.

Will there be a mushroom cloud?
No.

Why not?
Because 0.001 gram of U235 is not enough mass to go supercritcal and explode.  You would need several kilograms for a proper explosion.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on May 14, 2020, 01:35:07 PM
I recently asked 30 nuclear scientists (students, PhDs, professors) at the Upsala University to explain 'explosive fission' and 'how to start' it and ... nobody could. The professor got upset and his assistant failed.
So if I have 0.001 gram of Uranium 235 in a laboratory and activate a Polonium Beryllium neutron nuclear fission activator nearby, the 0.001 gram will FLASH and become energy? Will there be a mushroom cloud?
What about all the critical and non-critical masses of Uranium metal that explode when compressed to double density?

If this is an example of the question you asked, no wonder they didn't answer you.  Who would waste their time with someone who clearly had no idea how what they were talking about. 

I am not at all surprised nobody would waste their time answering questions on how to detonate a 0.001 gram nuclear bomb.  ::)

If I asked 100 nuclear scientists to explain how Dilithium Crystals are used in the warp drive on Star Trek, they would all laugh at me and walk away too.

Your lack of understanding basic nuclear physics doesn't mean nukes are fake news.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 14, 2020, 07:10:00 PM
So if I have 0.001 gram of Uranium 235 in a laboratory and activate a Polonium Beryllium neutron nuclear fission activator nearby, the 0.001 gram will FLASH and become energy?
No.

Will there be a mushroom cloud?
No.

Why not?
Because 0.001 gram of U235 is not enough mass to go supercritcal and explode.  You would need several kilograms for a proper explosion.
Hm, 0.001 gram of U235 is about 6.65x1020 of U235 atoms - quite a lot -  each of which can be split/fission to produce energy under moderated conditions.
Question is how 6.65x1020 of U235 atoms shall do it at the same time = mushroom cloud.
Aha - the total mass must be super-critical and consist of   4x1028 of U235 atoms. It sounds pseudo-scientific.
Question remains - why is a mass of 4x1028 of U235 atoms super-critical when a mass of 6.65x1020 of U235 atoms is not?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 14, 2020, 08:18:38 PM
Hm, 0.001 gram of U235 is about 6.65x1020 of U235 atoms - quite a lot -  each of which can be split/fission to produce energy under moderated conditions.
So?

Quote from: Heiwa
Question is how 6.65x1020 of U235 atoms shall do it at the same time = mushroom cloud.
That is precisely the problem!
235U has a half life of about 700 million years so very few atom's would naturally fission in the 1 μs of fission time of a typical weapon.
Unless my sums are wrong (quite possible) only 1 atom in 1.53 x 1022 on average would undergo spontaneous fission in that 1 μs. So your 6.65x1020 235U ain't goin' to do squat!

Quote from: Heiwa
Aha - the total mass must be super-critical and consist of   4x1028 of U235 atoms. It sounds pseudo-scientific.
Question remains - why is a mass of 4x1028 of U235 atoms super-critical when a mass of 6.65x1020 of U235 atoms is not?
Maybe what I wrote above might be a clue?

Go and learn some elementary nuclear physics!
Try ;D Simple calculation of the critical mass for highly enriched uranium and plutonium-239 by Christopher F. Chybaa and Caroline R. Milne (https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/e182/291a3aa2754e02a3bcd8f8e1693539819ba1.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwj1kIXN8rTpAhXpyDgGHVNEB7YQFjAKegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw0-KzTe9omQ10chO-nvuuam)


Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 14, 2020, 11:17:14 PM
The correct calculation of and values for the critical (sic) mass of uranium or plutonium necessary for an explosive nuclear fission reaction have long been understood and publicly available, we are told, even if all is top secret for national security reasons and has never been peer reviewed. The calculation simply requires solving the radial component in spherical coordinates of a diffusion equation with a source term. It is basic pseudo-science. How to start en explosive nuclear fission reaction is still top secret.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 15, 2020, 12:25:55 AM
The correct calculation of and values for the critical (sic) mass of uranium or plutonium necessary for an explosive nuclear fission reaction have long been understood and publicly available, we are told, even if all is top secret for national security reasons and has never been peer reviewed. The calculation simply requires solving the radial component in spherical coordinates of a diffusion equation with a source term.
So did you expect nuclear physics to be something that any Tom, Dick and Anders can do on the back of an envelope?

What amazes me is not that you can't understand it but that you think that do understand it enough to pretend to debunk it on your fake website.

Quote from: Heiwa
It is basic pseudo-science. How to start en explosive nuclear fission reaction is still top secret.
Except that you've been told the basics of it numerous times but still can't grasp it.

If you want to read about what happens when foolish people try to "tickle the dragon's tail" read about the the "Demon core >:D" in here:
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Demon core (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_core)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Partially-reflected-plutonium-sphere.jpeg)
A re-creation of the experiment involved in the 1945 incident.
The sphere of plutonium is surrounded by neutron-reflecting tungsten carbide blocks.


The demon core was a spherical 6.2-kilogram (14 lb) subcritical mass of plutonium 89 millimetres (3.5 in) in diameter, manufactured during World War 2 by the US nuclear weapon development effort, the Manhattan Project, as a fissile core for an early atomic bomb, that was involved in two criticality accidents, on August 21, 1945 and May 21, 1946.

The core was intended for use in a possible third nuclear weapon to be dropped on Japan, but after Japan's surrender made this unnecessary it was used for testing. It was designed with a small safety margin to ensure a successful explosion of the bomb.

The device briefly went supercritical when it was accidentally placed in supercritical configurations during two separate experiments intended to guarantee the core was indeed close to the critical point. The incidents happened at the Los Alamos Laboratory in 1945 and 1946, both resulting in the acute radiation poisoning and subsequent deaths of scientists: Harry Daghlian and Louis Slotin. After these incidents the spherical plutonium core was referred to as the "demon core".

<< Read the details in the linked site. >>
That plutonium sphere is identical to the ones used in the "Gadget" of the Trinity test and "Fat Man" dropped on Nagasaki.

More detail in The Chilling Story of The 'Demon Core' And The Scientists Who Became Its Victims (https://www.sciencealert.com/the-chilling-story-of-the-demon-core-and-the-scientists-who-became-its-victims-plutonium-bomb-radiation-wwii)

I guess it only killed two foolish physicists and not 100,000 Japanese.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 15, 2020, 06:14:34 AM
The correct calculation of and values for the critical (sic) mass of uranium or plutonium necessary for an explosive nuclear fission reaction have long been understood and publicly available, we are told, even if all is top secret for national security reasons and has never been peer reviewed.
The calculations necessary for explosive nuclear fission are very similar to the calculations necessary for peaceful nuclear fission in power plants.  I don't see why that should be so hard for you to understand.

The calculation simply requires solving the radial component in spherical coordinates of a diffusion equation with a source term. It is basic pseudo-science.
sure, when you try to explain it like that.  But if you actually knew what you were talking about, then it would make a lot more sense.

How to start en explosive nuclear fission reaction is still top secret.
Yes, and for a very good reason.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 15, 2020, 06:53:35 AM
The correct calculation of and values for the critical (sic) mass of uranium or plutonium necessary for an explosive nuclear fission reaction have long been understood and publicly available, we are told, even if all is top secret for national security reasons and has never been peer reviewed.
The calculations necessary for explosive nuclear fission are very similar to the calculations necessary for peaceful nuclear fission in power plants.  I don't see why that should be so hard for you to understand.

The calculation simply requires solving the radial component in spherical coordinates of a diffusion equation with a source term. It is basic pseudo-science.
sure, when you try to explain it like that.  But if you actually knew what you were talking about, then it would make a lot more sense.

How to start en explosive nuclear fission reaction is still top secret.
Yes, and for a very good reason.

Moderated fission used in nuclear power plants to provide electricity 24/24 has nothing to to with military, explosive fission to kill 100 000 civilians in a micro-second! The first can be demonstrated in any laboratory since 1938. The second is pure pseudo-science created 1945 to scare people.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 15, 2020, 09:44:07 AM
Moderated fission used in nuclear power plants to provide electricity 24/24 has nothing to to with military, explosive fission to kill 100 000 civilians in a micro-second!
Actually, it does.  The main difference between a peaceful nuclear power plant and an atomic bomb is how many atomic nuclei you can split within that microsecond.

The first can be demonstrated in any laboratory since 1938. The second is pure pseudo-science created 1945 to scare people.
The second has also been demonstrated hundreds of times in a laboratory.  Why can't the middle of a desert be a laboratory?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on May 15, 2020, 10:33:41 AM
Hm, 0.001 gram of U235 is about 6.65x1020 of U235 atoms - quite a lot -  each of which can be split/fission to produce energy under moderated conditions.
Question is how 6.65x1020 of U235 atoms shall do it at the same time = mushroom cloud.
Aha - the total mass must be super-critical and consist of   4x1028 of U235 atoms. It sounds pseudo-scientific.

No, it sounds like you are just calling it "pseudo-scientific" because you don't understand the math.

Question remains - why is a mass of 4x1028 of U235 atoms super-critical when a mass of 6.65x1020 of U235 atoms is not?

Do you understand what super critical means?

First lets get some basic facts straight.

Which is the bigger number?

A. 4x1028

B. 6.65x1020

Please answer this so I can try and understand where you are getting confused, thanks.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 15, 2020, 06:09:46 PM

Do you understand what super critical means?

Please answer this so I can try and understand where you are getting confused, thanks.

Do you mean a super critical mass? It is one in which, once fission has started, it will proceed at an increasing rate. The material may settle into equilibrium (i.e. become critical again) at an elevated temperature/power level or destroy itself. It cannot explode.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on May 16, 2020, 01:28:27 PM

Do you understand what super critical means?

Please answer this so I can try and understand where you are getting confused, thanks.

Do you mean a super critical mass? It is one in which, once fission has started, it will proceed at an increasing rate. The material may settle into equilibrium (i.e. become critical again) at an elevated temperature/power level or destroy itself. It cannot explode.

That answers the  first question, you don't understand what a super critical pile is.

Please answer my other question. That will help show where your other misunderstandings stem from.  A or B?

Which is the bigger number?

A. 4x1028

B. 6.65x1020
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 16, 2020, 01:57:14 PM

Do you understand what super critical means?

Please answer this so I can try and understand where you are getting confused, thanks.

Do you mean a super critical mass? It is one in which, once fission has started, it will proceed at an increasing rate. The material may settle into equilibrium (i.e. become critical again) at an elevated temperature/power level or destroy itself. It cannot explode.
Why do you claim this super-critical mass cannot explode even is the fission is started with a flood of neutrons from the initiator? You do know all about that?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 16, 2020, 06:26:10 PM

Do you understand what super critical means?

Please answer this so I can try and understand where you are getting confused, thanks.

Do you mean a super critical mass? It is one in which, once fission has started, it will proceed at an increasing rate. The material may settle into equilibrium (i.e. become critical again) at an elevated temperature/power level or destroy itself. It cannot explode.
Why do you claim this super-critical mass cannot explode even is the fission is started with a flood of neutrons from the fission initiator? You do know all about that?
Yes, fission is of course atoms being split and fission may be induced by a neutron and no critical mass is required. Look at a simple nuclear power plant full of say 300 tons of nuclear fuel. No critical mass. You use neutrons to induce fission and the result is release of energy producing electricity. I am the shareholder of a company operating >50 nuclear power plants. You can also become a shareholder. Just buy a share.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 16, 2020, 07:58:59 PM
Why do you claim this super-critical mass cannot explode even is the fission is started with a flood of neutrons from the fission initiator? You do know all about that?
Yes, fission is of course atoms being split and fission may be induced by a neutron and no critical mass is required. Look at a simple nuclear power plant full of say 300 tons of nuclear fuel. No critical mass. You use neutrons to induce fission and the result is release of energy producing electricity.
Sure, you get fission and the nuclear reactor can "run-away" and melt-down but can never explode with a nuclear detonation.
So all that is totally irrelevant to the question asked!So now answer the question asked!
"Why do you claim this super-critical mass cannot explode even if the fission is started with a flood of neutrons from the fission initiator? "
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Username on May 16, 2020, 10:08:12 PM
Evil exists enough to pose eminent threat.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 16, 2020, 10:34:44 PM
Evil exists enough to pose eminent threat.
It sure does and please note that this is Reply #666 >:D!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 16, 2020, 11:19:54 PM
Why do you claim this super-critical mass cannot explode even is the fission is started with a flood of neutrons from the fission initiator? You do know all about that?
Yes, fission is of course atoms being split and fission may be induced by a neutron and no critical mass is required. Look at a simple nuclear power plant full of say 300 tons of nuclear fuel. No critical mass. You use neutrons to induce fission and the result is release of energy producing electricity.
Sure, you get fission and the nuclear reactor can "run-away" and melt-down but can never explode with a nuclear detonation.
So all that is totally irrelevant to the question asked!
  • That 300 tonnes of fuel in the nuclear power station is too spread out to result in a detonation.
    To cause a detonation the neutrons must be able to cross the fissile material in no more than a few microseconds.

  • The fuel in a nuclear power station is only 4-5% 235U and the rest is non-fissile 238U.

  • Theoretically least 20% 235U is required to produce a nuclear detonation. Even then hundreds of kilograms of uranium and an implosion type bomb would be needed - a massive and highly impractical device.
    Nuclear weapons usually use 80-85% 235U or 93% 239Pu plus about 1% Gallium to stabilise it and the rest unwanted 240Pu.
So now answer the question asked!
"Why do you claim this super-critical mass cannot explode even if the fission is started with a flood of neutrons from the fission initiator? "
There is no evidence that a super-critical mass of fissile metal can "explode' in micro-seconds started with a flood of neutrons from a fission initiator. There are no peer reviewed scientific reports about it. It is the reason why nuclear bombs do not exist. They are just military propaganda. Just ask any US a-bomb general about it. What is she/he using the a-bombs for.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 17, 2020, 01:04:07 AM
Why do you claim this super-critical mass cannot explode even is the fission is started with a flood of neutrons from the fission initiator? You do know all about that?
Yes, fission is of course atoms being split and fission may be induced by a neutron and no critical mass is required. Look at a simple nuclear power plant full of say 300 tons of nuclear fuel. No critical mass. You use neutrons to induce fission and the result is release of energy producing electricity.
Sure, you get fission and the nuclear reactor can "run-away" and melt-down but can never explode with a nuclear detonation.
So all that is totally irrelevant to the question asked!
  • That 300 tonnes of fuel in the nuclear power station is too spread out to result in a detonation.
    To cause a detonation the neutrons must be able to cross the fissile material in no more than a few microseconds.

  • The fuel in a nuclear power station is only 4-5% 235U and the rest is non-fissile 238U.

  • Theoretically least 20% 235U is required to produce a nuclear detonation. Even then hundreds of kilograms of uranium and an implosion type bomb would be needed - a massive and highly impractical device.
    Nuclear weapons usually use 80-85% 235U or 93% 239Pu plus about 1% Gallium to stabilise it and the rest unwanted 240Pu.
So now answer the question asked!
"Why do you claim this super-critical mass cannot explode even if the fission is started with a flood of neutrons from the fission initiator? "
There is no evidence that a super-critical mass of fissile metal can "explode' in micro-seconds started with a flood of neutrons from a fission initiator.
That does not answer "Why do you claim this super-critical mass cannot explode even if the fission is started with a flood of neutrons from the fission initiator?"

Try again!

Quote from: Heiwa
There are no peer reviewed scientific reports about it. It is the reason why nuclear bombs do not exist.
Really?
From Fission to Censorship: 18 Months on the Road to the Bomb by B. Cameron Reed, Annalen der Physik Volume 530, Issue 6 (https://doi.org/10.1002/andp.201700455)

Nuclear Fission: Reaction to the Discovery in 1939 by Lawrence Badash, Elizabeth Hodes and Adolph Tiddens, Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society, Vol. 130, No. 2 (Jun., 1986), pp. 196-231 (https://www.jstor.org/stable/987181?read-now=1&refreqid=excelsior%3A0e12d484f295f8ec18a4cca0154d0095&seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents)
Even this comes close:
Union of Concerted Scientists: How Do Nuclear Weapons Work? Published Sep 29, 2016 (https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/how-nuclear-weapons-work)
I'm sure there're plenty more if you bother to look.

Quote from: Heiwa
They are just military propaganda.
That's just what a conspiratard who can't understand squat would say!

Why would those scientists, who know a thousand times as much as you, be concerned if "They are just military propaganda"?

Quote from: Heiwa
Just ask any US a-bomb general about it. What is she/he using the a-bombs for.
Right now,  luckily they aren't using A-bombs and A-bombs for anything - let's hope it stays that way.

So, asks as many generals as you like.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 17, 2020, 02:55:37 AM
Why do you claim this super-critical mass cannot explode even is the fission is started with a flood of neutrons from the fission initiator? You do know all about that?
Yes, fission is of course atoms being split and fission may be induced by a neutron and no critical mass is required. Look at a simple nuclear power plant full of say 300 tons of nuclear fuel. No critical mass. You use neutrons to induce fission and the result is release of energy producing electricity.
Sure, you get fission and the nuclear reactor can "run-away" and melt-down but can never explode with a nuclear detonation.
So all that is totally irrelevant to the question asked!
  • That 300 tonnes of fuel in the nuclear power station is too spread out to result in a detonation.
    To cause a detonation the neutrons must be able to cross the fissile material in no more than a few microseconds.

  • The fuel in a nuclear power station is only 4-5% 235U and the rest is non-fissile 238U.

  • Theoretically least 20% 235U is required to produce a nuclear detonation. Even then hundreds of kilograms of uranium and an implosion type bomb would be needed - a massive and highly impractical device.
    Nuclear weapons usually use 80-85% 235U or 93% 239Pu plus about 1% Gallium to stabilise it and the rest unwanted 240Pu.
So now answer the question asked!
"Why do you claim this super-critical mass cannot explode even if the fission is started with a flood of neutrons from the fission initiator? "
There is no evidence that a super-critical mass of fissile metal can "explode' in micro-seconds started with a flood of neutrons from a fission initiator.
That does not answer "Why do you claim this super-critical mass cannot explode even if the fission is started with a flood of neutrons from the fission initiator?"

Try again!

Quote from: Heiwa
There are no peer reviewed scientific reports about it. It is the reason why nuclear bombs do not exist.
Really?
From Fission to Censorship: 18 Months on the Road to the Bomb by B. Cameron Reed, Annalen der Physik Volume 530, Issue 6 (https://doi.org/10.1002/andp.201700455)

Nuclear Fission: Reaction to the Discovery in 1939 by Lawrence Badash, Elizabeth Hodes and Adolph Tiddens, Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society, Vol. 130, No. 2 (Jun., 1986), pp. 196-231 (https://www.jstor.org/stable/987181?read-now=1&refreqid=excelsior%3A0e12d484f295f8ec18a4cca0154d0095&seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents)
Even this comes close:
Union of Concerted Scientists: How Do Nuclear Weapons Work? Published Sep 29, 2016 (https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/how-nuclear-weapons-work)
I'm sure there're plenty more if you bother to look.

Quote from: Heiwa
They are just military propaganda.
That's just what a conspiratard who can't understand squat would say!

Why would those scientists, who know a thousand times as much as you, be concerned if "They are just military propaganda"?

Quote from: Heiwa
Just ask any US a-bomb general about it. What is she/he using the a-bombs for.
Right now,  luckily they aren't using A-bombs and A-bombs for anything - let's hope it stays that way.

So, asks as many generals as you like.
You really have to study my findings why a_bombs do not work at my website. Just copy/paste what is not clear and I will clarify.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 17, 2020, 05:36:15 AM
You really have to study my findings why a_bombs do not work at my website. Just copy/paste what is not clear and I will clarify.
Your site makes silly false claims like:
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Until destruction is desired, the bomb is kept subcritical - in the case of a uranium bomb, it is achieved by keeping the fuel in a number of separate pieces, each below the critical size or mass. No fission occurs! To produce destruction, the pieces of uranium are brought together rapidly into compressed contact with each other - to become a critical mass with a free neutron in between - which drives the instantaneous explosive fission FLASH of the nuclear weapon into the atmosphere. It lasts some nano-seconds and vaporizes and radiates innocent people that happen to be in the way. It cannot be stopped after being started.
But as has been carefully explained to you numerous times that is simply not correct!

You even show this diagram but still ignore some major features in it:
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Little_Boy_Internal_Components.png)
What about these vital components that you ignore?
      T) Projectile Tungsten-Carbide disk
      I) Four-section 13” diameter Tungsten-Carbide tamper cylinder sleeve
      G) Polonium-Beryllium initiators (4)
      F) Tungsten Carbide tamper plug
Tungsten-Carbide is a neutron reflector to reflect neutrons back into the 235U fissile material.
The four Polonium-Beryllium initiators were crushed when the two sub-critical 235U pieces were forced together.
This allowed the α-radiation of the 210Polonium, 210Po, to strike the beryllium releasing a flood of neytrons to initiate the fission.

Then you say "it lasts some nano-seconds"! No, the fission process lasts roughly 1 microsecond before the 235U is dispersed to much.
By that time only about 1.38% of 235U has fissioned but even that was equivalent to about 15,000 tonnes of TNT.

Heiwa, if you're going to try to debunk something at least try to understand it, and you clearly don't, and get your story straight and you can't!

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 17, 2020, 05:48:38 AM
What the fuck, nukes are real, idiots
How can you be so sure of this from a personal point of view?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 17, 2020, 05:52:06 AM
You even show this diagram but still ignore some major features in it:
Quote
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Little_Boy_Internal_Components.png)
What about these vital components that you ignore?
      T) Projectile Tungsten-Carbide disk
      I) Four-section 13” diameter Tungsten-Carbide tamper cylinder sleeve
      G) Polonium-Beryllium initiators (4)
      F) Tungsten Carbide tamper plug
Tungsten-Carbide is a neutron reflector to reflect neutrons back into the 235U fissile material.
The four Polonium-Beryllium initiators were crushed when the two sub-critical 235U pieces were forced together.
This allowed the α-radiation of the 210Polonium, 210Po, to strike the beryllium releasing a flood of neytrons to initiate the fission.

Then you say "it lasts some nano-seconds"! No, the fission process lasts roughly 1 microsecond before the 235U is dispersed to much.
By that time only about 1.38% of 235U has fissioned but even that was equivalent to about 15,000 tonnes of TNT.

Heiwa, if you're going to try to debunk something at least try to understand it, and you clearly don't, and get your story straight and you can't!
Looking at the diagram and understanding that cordite has to be detonated to supposedly project the metal onto the other metal. How?

How could this happen without blowing the bomb casing to pieces before anything hit.
It makes no sense at all.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on May 17, 2020, 08:58:54 AM
What the fuck, nukes are real, idiots
How can you be so sure of this from a personal point of view?
I for one, saw the flash from starfish prime.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 17, 2020, 09:54:50 AM
What the fuck, nukes are real, idiots
How can you be so sure of this from a personal point of view?
I for one, saw the flash from starfish prime.
Well, it is a pity that the fireworks/explosion at 400 000 m altitude was not filmed from ground or from a plane cruising at 10 000 m altitude. Of course the FLASH only lasted a microsecond and the whole Pacific Ocean was illuminated ... for a microsecond. Photo flashes last 100 times longer.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 17, 2020, 11:50:48 AM
Looking at the diagram and understanding that cordite has to be detonated to supposedly project the metal onto the other metal. How?

How could this happen without blowing the bomb casing to pieces before anything hit.
It makes no sense at all.
It makes plenty of sense when you understand that cordite is commonly used as gun powder. 
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 17, 2020, 01:31:17 PM
You even show this diagram but still ignore some major features in it:
Quote
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Little_Boy_Internal_Components.png)
What about these vital components that you ignore?
      T) Projectile Tungsten-Carbide disk
      I) Four-section 13” diameter Tungsten-Carbide tamper cylinder sleeve
      G) Polonium-Beryllium initiators (4)
      F) Tungsten Carbide tamper plug
Tungsten-Carbide is a neutron reflector to reflect neutrons back into the 235U fissile material.
The four Polonium-Beryllium initiators were crushed when the two sub-critical 235U pieces were forced together.
This allowed the α-radiation of the 210Polonium, 210Po, to strike the beryllium releasing a flood of neytrons to initiate the fission.

Then you say "it lasts some nano-seconds"! No, the fission process lasts roughly 1 microsecond before the 235U is dispersed to much.
By that time only about 1.38% of 235U has fissioned but even that was equivalent to about 15,000 tonnes of TNT.

Heiwa, if you're going to try to debunk something at least try to understand it, and you clearly don't, and get your story straight and you can't!
Looking at the diagram and understanding that cordite has to be detonated to supposedly project the metal onto the other metal. How?

How could this happen without blowing the bomb casing to pieces before anything hit.
It makes no sense at all.
Do you know the properties of cordite?
Quote
Cordite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordite)
Cordite is a family of smokeless propellants developed and produced in the United Kingdom since 1889 to replace gunpowder as a military propellant. Like gunpowder, cordite is classified as a low explosive because of its slow burning rates and consequently low brisance. These produce a subsonic deflagration wave rather than the supersonic detonation wave produced by brisants, or high explosives. The hot gases produced by burning gunpowder or cordite generate sufficient pressure to propel a bullet or shell to its target, but not so quickly as to routinely destroy the barrel of the gun.

Cordite was used initially in the .303 British, Mark I and II, standard rifle cartridge between 1891 and 1915; shortages of cordite in World War I led to United States–developed smokeless powders being imported into the UK for use in rifle cartridges. Cordite was also used for large weapons, such as tank guns, artillery, and naval guns. It has been used mainly for this purpose since the late 19th century by the UK and British Commonwealth countries. Its use was further developed before World War II, and as 2-and-3-inch-diameter (51 and 76 mm) Unrotated Projectiles for launching anti-aircraft weapons. Small cordite rocket charges were also developed for ejector seats made by the Martin-Baker Company. Cordite was also used in the detonation system of the Little Boy atomic bomb dropped over Hiroshima in August 1945.

This BL 8-inch Mk VIII naval gun used "Two cloth bags each containing 15 kg (33 lb) of cordite were used to fire a 116 kg (256 lb) projectile."
So I could ask you "How could this happen without blowing the gun barrels to pieces before anything left the barrel"?
Quote
BL 8-inch Mk VIII naval gun (http://BL 8-inch Mk VIII naval gun)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/HMAS_Canberra_8-inch_gun_turrets_SLV_H98.105_3230.jpeg/600px-HMAS_Canberra_8-inch_gun_turrets_SLV_H98.105_3230.jpeg)
Forward 8-inch turrets aboard HMAS Canberra

Description
These built-up guns consisted of a wire-wound tube encased within a second tube and jacket with a Welin breech block and hydraulic or hand-operated Asbury mechanism. Two cloth bags each containing 15 kg (33 lb) of cordite were used to fire a 116 kg (256 lb) projectile. Mark I turrets allowed gun elevation to 70 degrees to fire high-explosive shells against aircraft. Hydraulic pumps proved incapable of providing sufficient train and elevation speed to follow contemporary aircraft; so simplified Mark II turrets with a maximum elevation of 50 degrees were installed in the Norfolk subgroup ships Dorsetshire and Norfolk and the York-class cruisers York and Exeter. Each gun could fire approximately five rounds per minute. Useful life expectancy was 550 effective full charges (EFC) per barrel.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 17, 2020, 02:11:05 PM
What the fuck, nukes are real, idiots
How can you be so sure of this from a personal point of view?
I for one, saw the flash from starfish prime.
Well, it is a pity that the fireworks/explosion at 400 000 m altitude was not filmed from ground or from a plane cruising at 10 000 m altitude. Of course the FLASH only lasted a microsecond and the whole Pacific Ocean was illuminated ... for a microsecond. Photo flashes last 100 times longer.
The main fission process is over in about a microsecond and the initial flash is very brief but the light from the fireball and cloud last far longer that that!

Search YouTube for "starfish prime" and see what you find:

Operation Dominic — Starfish Prime

by UW: USA WAR
     
Starfish Prime Test Interim Report

by atomcentral
     
Why Did We Test Nukes in Space?

by Curious Droid
More on that last video:
Quote from: Curious Droid
At a time when the game of nuclear chicken very nearly got out of hand the superpowers continued to test nuclear weapons in space with both surprising and frightening consequences. In this video we look at why we needed to test nukes in space.

The video that inspired this is here https://www.youtube.com/embed/RMo7jUs0GMs (https://www.youtube.com/embed/RMo7jUs0GMs)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 17, 2020, 06:31:23 PM
What the fuck, nukes are real, idiots
How can you be so sure of this from a personal point of view?
I for one, saw the flash from starfish prime.
Well, it is a pity that the fireworks/explosion at 400 000 m altitude was not filmed from ground or from a plane cruising at 10 000 m altitude. Of course the FLASH only lasted a microsecond and the whole Pacific Ocean was illuminated ... for a microsecond. Photo flashes last 100 times longer.
The main fission process is over in about a microsecond and the initial flash is very brief but the light from the fireball and cloud last far longer that that!


Well, if you say so ... Father Christmas lives at the South Pole!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 17, 2020, 07:17:31 PM
The main fission process is over in about a microsecond and the initial flash is very brief but the light from the fireball and cloud last far longer that that!
Well, if you say so ... Father Christmas lives at the South Pole!
No, can't you get anything straight ;D?
Santa Claus lives here ;) but even Santa Claus is concerned about COVID-19 :(:
Quote
WELCOME TO SANTA CLAUS VILLAGE IN ROVANIEMI (https://santaclausvillage.info/)
15.05.2020: INFORMATION: due to the Covid 19 coronavirus situation in Finland,
the doors of Santa Claus Office are temporarily closed,
but do not to worry, you are still able to meet Santa Claus daily via a INTERNET LIVE STREAM (https://santaclausoffice.com/santa-claus-live/) at 1.P.M. at Finnish time.
***
(https://santaclausvillage.info/userassets/uploads/2018/02/slide1-1600x760.jpg)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on May 17, 2020, 07:27:00 PM
Wrong again wronginoz. Santa Claus is in Greenland.

Don't believe me? Look it up.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 17, 2020, 08:21:27 PM
Wrong again wronginoz. Santa Claus is in Greenland.

Don't believe me? Look it up.
I don't believe you.
https://www.thefactsite.com/where-does-santa-actually-live/
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on May 17, 2020, 09:02:33 PM
Wrong again wronginoz. Santa Claus is in Greenland.

Don't believe me? Look it up.
I don't believe you.
https://www.thefactsite.com/where-does-santa-actually-live/

Yep. Still Greenland.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 17, 2020, 10:16:45 PM
No, Santa & Co live on an ice breaker at the South Pole, where Christmas is 24 June, but is forbidden to go ashore due to the Covid-19 hoax.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 17, 2020, 11:41:49 PM
Looking at the diagram and understanding that cordite has to be detonated to supposedly project the metal onto the other metal. How?

How could this happen without blowing the bomb casing to pieces before anything hit.
It makes no sense at all.
It makes plenty of sense when you understand that cordite is commonly used as gun powder.
Gunpowder is fine when uncontained. Not so fine when contained.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 17, 2020, 11:51:27 PM
You even show this diagram but still ignore some major features in it:
Quote
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Little_Boy_Internal_Components.png)
What about these vital components that you ignore?
      T) Projectile Tungsten-Carbide disk
      I) Four-section 13” diameter Tungsten-Carbide tamper cylinder sleeve
      G) Polonium-Beryllium initiators (4)
      F) Tungsten Carbide tamper plug
Tungsten-Carbide is a neutron reflector to reflect neutrons back into the 235U fissile material.
The four Polonium-Beryllium initiators were crushed when the two sub-critical 235U pieces were forced together.
This allowed the α-radiation of the 210Polonium, 210Po, to strike the beryllium releasing a flood of neytrons to initiate the fission.

Then you say "it lasts some nano-seconds"! No, the fission process lasts roughly 1 microsecond before the 235U is dispersed to much.
By that time only about 1.38% of 235U has fissioned but even that was equivalent to about 15,000 tonnes of TNT.

Heiwa, if you're going to try to debunk something at least try to understand it, and you clearly don't, and get your story straight and you can't!
Looking at the diagram and understanding that cordite has to be detonated to supposedly project the metal onto the other metal. How?

How could this happen without blowing the bomb casing to pieces before anything hit.
It makes no sense at all.
Do you know the properties of cordite?
Quote
Cordite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordite)
Cordite is a family of smokeless propellants developed and produced in the United Kingdom since 1889 to replace gunpowder as a military propellant. Like gunpowder, cordite is classified as a low explosive because of its slow burning rates and consequently low brisance. These produce a subsonic deflagration wave rather than the supersonic detonation wave produced by brisants, or high explosives. The hot gases produced by burning gunpowder or cordite generate sufficient pressure to propel a bullet or shell to its target, but not so quickly as to routinely destroy the barrel of the gun.

Cordite was used initially in the .303 British, Mark I and II, standard rifle cartridge between 1891 and 1915; shortages of cordite in World War I led to United States–developed smokeless powders being imported into the UK for use in rifle cartridges. Cordite was also used for large weapons, such as tank guns, artillery, and naval guns. It has been used mainly for this purpose since the late 19th century by the UK and British Commonwealth countries. Its use was further developed before World War II, and as 2-and-3-inch-diameter (51 and 76 mm) Unrotated Projectiles for launching anti-aircraft weapons. Small cordite rocket charges were also developed for ejector seats made by the Martin-Baker Company. Cordite was also used in the detonation system of the Little Boy atomic bomb dropped over Hiroshima in August 1945.

This BL 8-inch Mk VIII naval gun used "Two cloth bags each containing 15 kg (33 lb) of cordite were used to fire a 116 kg (256 lb) projectile."
So I could ask you "How could this happen without blowing the gun barrels to pieces before anything left the barrel"?
Quote
BL 8-inch Mk VIII naval gun (http://BL 8-inch Mk VIII naval gun)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/HMAS_Canberra_8-inch_gun_turrets_SLV_H98.105_3230.jpeg/600px-HMAS_Canberra_8-inch_gun_turrets_SLV_H98.105_3230.jpeg)
Forward 8-inch turrets aboard HMAS Canberra

Description
These built-up guns consisted of a wire-wound tube encased within a second tube and jacket with a Welin breech block and hydraulic or hand-operated Asbury mechanism. Two cloth bags each containing 15 kg (33 lb) of cordite were used to fire a 116 kg (256 lb) projectile. Mark I turrets allowed gun elevation to 70 degrees to fire high-explosive shells against aircraft. Hydraulic pumps proved incapable of providing sufficient train and elevation speed to follow contemporary aircraft; so simplified Mark II turrets with a maximum elevation of 50 degrees were installed in the Norfolk subgroup ships Dorsetshire and Norfolk and the York-class cruisers York and Exeter. Each gun could fire approximately five rounds per minute. Useful life expectancy was 550 effective full charges (EFC) per barrel.
It's pointless trying to place cordite inside a barrel behind a projectile when the barrel is open at the other end, in terms of using it to argue a so called A bomb that is contained by diagram.
In this fictional (my pondering) A bomb, it is contained and therefore would not create the force for the internal projectile onto the other receiving metal without blowing apart the bomb.

It's like trying to blow a pea through a peashooter whilst placing your finger over the exit hole. The pea is not going to hit your hole covering finger due to compression of the air inside the tube not allowing much movement away from your mouth and breath push.

And yes, it may be a crude analogy but just like a hand grenade, it would simply blow apart.....or, assuming the casing of the so called A bomb was super strong......a dud projectile push.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 18, 2020, 12:32:38 AM
Looking at the diagram and understanding that cordite has to be detonated to supposedly project the metal onto the other metal. How?

How could this happen without blowing the bomb casing to pieces before anything hit.
It makes no sense at all.
It makes plenty of sense when you understand that cordite is commonly used as gun powder.
Gunpowder is fine when uncontained. Not so fine when contained.
The term "gunpowder" doesn't mean much. I'll assume that you mean "black powder".
Black powder was the propellant for the old cannon and most long guns and pistols until near the end of the 19th century when cordite and some related propellants were developed.
"Sir Frederick Abel in Britain patented Cordite in 1889".
Abel's original cordite consisted "of 58% nitroglycerine, by weight, 37% guncotton (nitrocellulose) and 5% petroleum jelly" but this was modified in later versions.
Versions of cordite were a common propellant in both small arms and artillery till after WW2.

But both black powder and cordite are classed as "low explosives" because they burn rapidly rather than detonate like TNT and other "high explosives".

The bottom line is that cordite is no more likely to burst the barrel of the gun-type A-bomb that it is to burst the barrel of an 18.7 cm (under 8") artillery piece so I fail to see your problem.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 18, 2020, 12:57:58 AM
You even show this diagram but still ignore some major features in it:
Quote
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Little_Boy_Internal_Components.png)

Looking at the diagram and understanding that cordite has to be detonated to supposedly project the metal onto the other metal. How?

How could this happen without blowing the bomb casing to pieces before anything hit.
It makes no sense at all.

It's pointless trying to place cordite inside a barrel behind a projectile when the barrel is open at the other end, in terms of using it to argue a so called A bomb that is contained by diagram.
In this fictional (my pondering) A bomb, it is contained and therefore would not create the force for the internal projectile onto the other receiving metal without blowing apart the bomb.

It's like trying to blow a pea through a peashooter whilst placing your finger over the exit hole. The pea is not going to hit your hole covering finger due to compression of the air inside the tube not allowing much movement away from your mouth and breath push.

And yes, it may be a crude analogy but just like a hand grenade, it would simply blow apart.....or, assuming the casing of the so called A bomb was super strong......a dud projectile push.
Yes, it's a very crude and useless analogy because the top half half of the 235U is not being propelled by your weak blowing. Ever tried putting your finger over the end of a 4" gunbarrel?

"The Uranium of Little boy was divided into two pieces: the bullet and the target. The "bullet" was a cylindrical stack of six Uranium rings about 10 cm wide and 16 cm backed by a tungsten carbide disk and a steel backplate. All of this was contained within a 1/16 inch thick steel can to make a complete projectile. The "target" was a hollow cylinder 16 cm long and wide, weighing 38.4 kg. The target was fabricated as two separate rings that were inserted in the bomb separately. Both the bullet and the target were sheathed in boron in order to absorb neutrons and reduce the chance of a criticality accident.

The bomb was detonated by firing the bullet into the target via a high powered aircraft gun. The gun was a 3" diameter, six feet long anti-aircraft barrel that had been bored out to 4" to accommodate the bullet. It weighed about 450 kg, and used Cordite, a conventional artillery smokeless powder, as propellant."

The bit of air in that barrel would be compressed into the tiniest cracks and do nothing!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 18, 2020, 03:58:57 AM

Quote from: Heiwa
There are no peer reviewed scientific reports about it. It is the reason why nuclear bombs do not exist.
Really?
From Fission to Censorship: 18 Months on the Road to the Bomb by B. Cameron Reed, Annalen der Physik Volume 530, Issue 6 (https://doi.org/10.1002/andp.201700455)

Nuclear Fission: Reaction to the Discovery in 1939 by Lawrence Badash, Elizabeth Hodes and Adolph Tiddens, Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society, Vol. 130, No. 2 (Jun., 1986), pp. 196-231 (https://www.jstor.org/stable/987181?read-now=1&refreqid=excelsior%3A0e12d484f295f8ec18a4cca0154d0095&seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents)
Even this comes close:
Union of Concerted Scientists: How Do Nuclear Weapons Work? Published Sep 29, 2016 (https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/how-nuclear-weapons-work)
I'm sure there're plenty more if you bother to look.


But none of it is peer reviewed. It is just propaganda about slow fission and fast fission, etc. Nothing about explosive fission.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 18, 2020, 05:22:19 AM

Quote from: Heiwa
There are no peer reviewed scientific reports about it. It is the reason why nuclear bombs do not exist.
Really?
From Fission to Censorship: 18 Months on the Road to the Bomb by B. Cameron Reed, Annalen der Physik Volume 530, Issue 6 (https://doi.org/10.1002/andp.201700455)

Nuclear Fission: Reaction to the Discovery in 1939 by Lawrence Badash, Elizabeth Hodes and Adolph Tiddens, Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society, Vol. 130, No. 2 (Jun., 1986), pp. 196-231 (https://www.jstor.org/stable/987181?read-now=1&refreqid=excelsior%3A0e12d484f295f8ec18a4cca0154d0095&seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents)
Even this comes close:
Union of Concerted Scientists: How Do Nuclear Weapons Work? Published Sep 29, 2016 (https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/how-nuclear-weapons-work)
I'm sure there're plenty more if you bother to look.

But none of it is peer reviewed. It is just propaganda about slow fission and fast fission, etc. Nothing about explosive fission.
This paper makes it rather obvious:
Nuclear Fission: Reaction to the Discovery in 1939 by Lawrence Badash, Elizabeth Hodes and Adolph Tiddens, Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society, Vol. 130, No. 2 (Jun., 1986), pp. 196-231 (https://www.jstor.org/stable/987181?read-now=1&refreqid=excelsior%3A0e12d484f295f8ec18a4cca0154d0095&seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents).
You might need to be a member of JStor to read it.

But how much do you expect to find in the open literature of the research in the 1939 to 1945 period when the development of the first nuclear weapons was undertaken - at the time it had to be shrouded in secrecy and that was maintained through much of the cold-war period.

Who cares anyway? Only a few conspiratards doubt that, despite all the evidence, that nuclear weapons are a terrible reality.
And you, for one, have never given any valid reasons as to why explosive nuclear fission cannot take place.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 18, 2020, 06:22:07 AM

Quote from: Heiwa
There are no peer reviewed scientific reports about it. It is the reason why nuclear bombs do not exist.
Really?
From Fission to Censorship: 18 Months on the Road to the Bomb by B. Cameron Reed, Annalen der Physik Volume 530, Issue 6 (https://doi.org/10.1002/andp.201700455)

Nuclear Fission: Reaction to the Discovery in 1939 by Lawrence Badash, Elizabeth Hodes and Adolph Tiddens, Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society, Vol. 130, No. 2 (Jun., 1986), pp. 196-231 (https://www.jstor.org/stable/987181?read-now=1&refreqid=excelsior%3A0e12d484f295f8ec18a4cca0154d0095&seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents)
Even this comes close:
Union of Concerted Scientists: How Do Nuclear Weapons Work? Published Sep 29, 2016 (https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/how-nuclear-weapons-work)
I'm sure there're plenty more if you bother to look.

But none of it is peer reviewed. It is just propaganda about slow fission and fast fission, etc. Nothing about explosive fission.
This paper makes it rather obvious:
Nuclear Fission: Reaction to the Discovery in 1939 by Lawrence Badash, Elizabeth Hodes and Adolph Tiddens, Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society, Vol. 130, No. 2 (Jun., 1986), pp. 196-231 (https://www.jstor.org/stable/987181?read-now=1&refreqid=excelsior%3A0e12d484f295f8ec18a4cca0154d0095&seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents).
You might need to be a member of JStor to read it.

But how much do you expect to find in the open literature of the research in the 1939 to 1945 period when the development of the first nuclear weapons was undertaken - at the time it had to be shrouded in secrecy and that was maintained through much of the cold-war period.

Who cares anyway? Only a few conspiratards doubt that, despite all the evidence, that nuclear weapons are a terrible reality.
And you, for one, have never given any valid reasons as to why explosive nuclear fission cannot take place.
Hm, military explosive fission (a-bombs - topic) to kill civilians is top secret of course and that work was done 1942/5. And never peer reviewed.

Peaceful, fission for nuclear (steam/electric) power is OK. No secrets at all. Has been used for years.

I think a valid reason why explosive nuclear fission cannot take place is that it is just propaganda. Old fake news.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 18, 2020, 07:30:07 AM

The term "gunpowder" doesn't mean much. I'll assume that you mean "black powder".
Black powder was the propellant for the old cannon and most long guns and pistols until near the end of the 19th century when cordite and some related propellants were developed.
"Sir Frederick Abel in Britain patented Cordite in 1889".
Abel's original cordite consisted "of 58% nitroglycerine, by weight, 37% guncotton (nitrocellulose) and 5% petroleum jelly" but this was modified in later versions.
Versions of cordite were a common propellant in both small arms and artillery till after WW2.

But both black powder and cordite are classed as "low explosives" because they burn rapidly rather than detonate like TNT and other "high explosives".

The bottom line is that cordite is no more likely to burst the barrel of the gun-type A-bomb that it is to burst the barrel of an 18.7 cm (under 8") artillery piece so I fail to see your problem.
Here's the problem:
In a gun barrel there is an open end.
In the bomb, there is no open end.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 18, 2020, 07:42:15 AM
You even show this diagram but still ignore some major features in it:
Quote
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Little_Boy_Internal_Components.png)

Looking at the diagram and understanding that cordite has to be detonated to supposedly project the metal onto the other metal. How?

How could this happen without blowing the bomb casing to pieces before anything hit.
It makes no sense at all.

It's pointless trying to place cordite inside a barrel behind a projectile when the barrel is open at the other end, in terms of using it to argue a so called A bomb that is contained by diagram.
In this fictional (my pondering) A bomb, it is contained and therefore would not create the force for the internal projectile onto the other receiving metal without blowing apart the bomb.

It's like trying to blow a pea through a peashooter whilst placing your finger over the exit hole. The pea is not going to hit your hole covering finger due to compression of the air inside the tube not allowing much movement away from your mouth and breath push.

And yes, it may be a crude analogy but just like a hand grenade, it would simply blow apart.....or, assuming the casing of the so called A bomb was super strong......a dud projectile push.
Yes, it's a very crude and useless analogy because the top half half of the 235U is not being propelled by your weak blowing. Ever tried putting your finger over the end of a 4" gunbarrel?

"The Uranium of Little boy was divided into two pieces: the bullet and the target. The "bullet" was a cylindrical stack of six Uranium rings about 10 cm wide and 16 cm backed by a tungsten carbide disk and a steel backplate. All of this was contained within a 1/16 inch thick steel can to make a complete projectile. The "target" was a hollow cylinder 16 cm long and wide, weighing 38.4 kg. The target was fabricated as two separate rings that were inserted in the bomb separately. Both the bullet and the target were sheathed in boron in order to absorb neutrons and reduce the chance of a criticality accident.

The bomb was detonated by firing the bullet into the target via a high powered aircraft gun. The gun was a 3" diameter, six feet long anti-aircraft barrel that had been bored out to 4" to accommodate the bullet. It weighed about 450 kg, and used Cordite, a conventional artillery smokeless powder, as propellant."

The bit of air in that barrel would be compressed into the tiniest cracks and do nothing!
No it wouldn't be compressed into the tiniest of cracks, at all.
As for artillery smokeless powder. That's irrelevant, because the powder bags are sealed into the bomb.

Just like a gun barrel would tear open of you block the exit hole, so would the bomb barrel, if it were real..

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 18, 2020, 08:05:33 AM
But none of it is peer reviewed. It is just propaganda about slow fission and fast fission, etc. Nothing about explosive fission.
It was peer reviewed by the scientists that created atomic bombs for other countries.  Explosive fission is just really, really fast fission.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 18, 2020, 09:53:50 AM
But none of it is peer reviewed. It is just propaganda about slow fission and fast fission, etc. Nothing about explosive fission.
It was peer reviewed by the scientists that created atomic bombs for other countries.  Explosive fission is just really, really fast fission.
Please - what scientists created atomic bombs for other countries 1949 and peer reviewed the papers??? You sound ... what drugs are you on?
It was a great party 1946. USA, USSR, China and Japan had finally agreed  on something! A-bombs. France, UK and Germany soon followed.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 18, 2020, 11:04:13 AM
Please - what scientists created atomic bombs for other countries 1949 and peer reviewed the papers???
Who says that peer review can only happen in published papers? I would contend that recreating someone else's work from scratch and coming up with the same results counts as peer review.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on May 18, 2020, 05:37:01 PM
Yes, it's a very crude and useless analogy because the top half half of the 235U is not being propelled by your weak blowing. Ever tried putting your finger over the end of a 4" gunbarrel?

"The Uranium of Little boy was divided into two pieces: the bullet and the target. The "bullet" was a cylindrical stack of six Uranium rings about 10 cm wide and 16 cm backed by a tungsten carbide disk and a steel backplate. All of this was contained within a 1/16 inch thick steel can to make a complete projectile. The "target" was a hollow cylinder 16 cm long and wide, weighing 38.4 kg. The target was fabricated as two separate rings that were inserted in the bomb separately. Both the bullet and the target were sheathed in boron in order to absorb neutrons and reduce the chance of a criticality accident.

The bomb was detonated by firing the bullet into the target via a high powered aircraft gun. The gun was a 3" diameter, six feet long anti-aircraft barrel that had been bored out to 4" to accommodate the bullet. It weighed about 450 kg, and used Cordite, a conventional artillery smokeless powder, as propellant."

The bit of air in that barrel would be compressed into the tiniest cracks and do nothing!
No it wouldn't be compressed into the tiniest of cracks, at all.
As for artillery smokeless powder. That's irrelevant, because the powder bags are sealed into the bomb.

Just like a gun barrel would tear open of you block the exit hole, so would the bomb barrel, if it were real..

Rab is correct. The small amount of air would be compressed easily by the force of the blast. Gasses are extremely compressible.

And if it was just lead in there, the barrel certainly would break and crack from the force of the gun going off, but the nuclear fireball vaporizes the whole device in miliseconds before it has time to worry about mechanical failure.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 18, 2020, 09:47:18 PM
Peer review in Stalin's old USSR was very simple 1924!
The communist party was always right. And the communist party was Stalin. If you didn't agree you either were executed or got 10 years in a labor camp. So everyone in USSR thought a-bombs were fantastic (and quite easy to falsify) 1945.
Stalin had a problem with comrade Lyssenko and genetics. Lyssenko stated that what you learn, e.g. about communism will be inherited by the next generation! If you just became a good communist, your off springs would become good communists too!
Lyssenko was apparently right. People believed in fake a-bombs 1945 and today 75 years later there are plenty people believing in fake a-bombs.   
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on May 18, 2020, 10:16:16 PM
Quack Quack went the duck.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 19, 2020, 12:29:06 AM
Quack Quack went the duck.
Yes, US Presidents Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower and similar ducks thought Stalin was fantastic in the 40/50's and ... it is the same today. Quack! Just listen to Trump 2020. Quack, quack, quack. Media think it is ... fantastic, magic, bla, bla, bla.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 19, 2020, 12:59:30 AM
Quack Quack went the duck.
Yes, US Presidents Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower and similar ducks thought Stalin was fantastic in the 40/50's
No they did not! It was no more than a case of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"!
Read this:
Quote
Both U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill were wary of the Soviet Union under the leadership of Joseph Stalin. However, both developed policies with an understanding that Soviet cooperation was necessary for the Allied war effort to succeed. There is a quote from Winston Churchill made to his personal secretary John Colville on the eve of Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union (Operation Barbarossa). He was quoted as saying, "if Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favorable reference to the Devil in the House of Commons."
Opening up a "second front" was good strategy to reduce Hitler's strength in Northern Africa, Italy and France.

And support for the USSR didn't last into the 1950s in other than humanitarian aid.

Quote from: Heiwa
and ... it is the same today. Quack! Just listen to Trump 2020. Quack, quack, quack. Media think it is ... fantastic, magic, bla, bla, bla.
And all an ignorant conspiratard like you can come up with is "Quack, quack, quack. ... fantastic, magic, bla, bla, bla."

Yet you've never come up with a valid reason why fission and fusion weapons cannot explode.
All you do is ridicule and show you pathetic ignorance.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 19, 2020, 02:40:08 AM
Quack Quack went the duck.
Yes, US Presidents Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower and similar ducks thought Stalin was fantastic in the 40/50's
No they did not! It was no more than a case of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"!
Read this:
Quote
Both U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill were wary of the Soviet Union under the leadership of Joseph Stalin. However, both developed policies with an understanding that Soviet cooperation was necessary for the Allied war effort to succeed. There is a quote from Winston Churchill made to his personal secretary John Colville on the eve of Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union (Operation Barbarossa). He was quoted as saying, "if Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favorable reference to the Devil in the House of Commons."
Opening up a "second front" was good strategy to reduce Hitler's strength in Northern Africa, Italy and France.

And support for the USSR didn't last into the 1950s in other than humanitarian aid.

Quote from: Heiwa
and ... it is the same today. Quack! Just listen to Trump 2020. Quack, quack, quack. Media think it is ... fantastic, magic, bla, bla, bla.
And all an ignorant conspiratard like you can come up with is "Quack, quack, quack. ... fantastic, magic, bla, bla, bla."

Yet you've never come up with a valid reason why fission and fusion weapons cannot explode.
All you do is ridicule and show you pathetic ignorance.

Please, everyone knew USSR was run by gangsters from 1917. All civilized people there were murdered and killed. Then Lenin died, Trotsky announced 1924 that the Lenin's party was always right, Stalin took over everything and murdered Trotsky ... and millions others. And then Stalin made a deal with Hitler 1939, so Hitler could take over west Europe. Which he did 1940. And then Hitler attacked Stalin 1941. And Stalin asked for help from Roosevelt. Then Roosevelt died, Hitler committed suicide and Truman and Stalin attacked Japan with a fake a-bomb. And Japan surrendered at once. And USA occupied Japan, etc, etc. Stalin took over east Europe.
What a soap opera. But no a-bombs exploded in Japan. It was just propaganda. But don't say it loud. According to US laws you are liable to be sentenced to death.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 19, 2020, 04:44:18 AM
Please, everyone knew USSR was run by gangsters from 1917. All civilized people there were murdered and killed. Then Lenin died, Trotsky announced 1924 that the Lenin's party was always right, Stalin took over everything and murdered Trotsky ... a million others. And then Stalin made a deal with Hitler 1939, so Hitler could take over west Europe. Which he did 1940. And then Hitler attacked Stalin 1941.
So who's questioning any of that? We know all that!

Quote from: Heiwa
And Stalin asked for help from Roosevelt. Then Hitler committed suicide and Roosevelt and Stalin attacked Japan with a fake a-bomb.
What total tripe is "Roosevelt and Stalin attacked Japan with a fake a-bomb"?
Stalin had nothing to do with it! Are you out of your mind?

Quote from: Heiwa
And Japan surrendered at once. And USA occupied Japan, etc, etc.
What a soap opera. But no a-bombs exploded in Japan. It was just propaganda.
(https://i.postimg.cc/BZRwhH39/Oh-sure-sure-Whatever-you-say.gif) (https://postimages.org/)
You just keep saying things like "no a-bombs exploded in Japan. It was just propaganda" but why should anyone care what a conspiratard like you says? You come out with balderdash like that about space missions too!

Yet you've never come up with a valid reason why fission and fusion weapons cannot explode.
All you do is ridicule and show you pathetic ignorance.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: frenat on May 19, 2020, 05:28:52 AM
But don't say it loud. According to US laws you are liable to be sentenced to death.

Still a lie just like every previous time you've said this.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 19, 2020, 05:50:31 AM
Quote from: Heiwa
And Stalin asked for help from Roosevelt. Then Hitler committed suicide and Roosevelt and Stalin attacked Japan with a fake a-bomb.
What total tripe is "Roosevelt and Stalin attacked Japan with a fake a-bomb"?
Stalin had nothing to do with it! Are you out of your mind?
Sorry, it was Truman that persuaded Stalin to attack Japan August 1945. Stalin was hesitant but Truman informed that Japan would surrender at once ... due to two fake a-bombs. I describe it at my website.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 20, 2020, 10:25:55 AM
Quote from: Heiwa
And Stalin asked for help from Roosevelt. Then Hitler committed suicide and Roosevelt and Stalin attacked Japan with a fake a-bomb.
What total tripe is "Roosevelt and Stalin attacked Japan with a fake a-bomb"?
Stalin had nothing to do with it! Are you out of your mind?
Sorry, it was Truman that persuaded Stalin to attack Japan August 1945. Stalin was hesitant but Truman informed that Japan would surrender at once ... due to two fake a-bombs. I describe it at my website.
Actually, it was Roosevelt and Churchill at the Yalta conference in February 1945 who convinced Stalin to attack Japan within 3 months after the end of the war in Europe.  August 8 just happened to be exactly 3 months after VE Day (May 8).
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 20, 2020, 10:58:59 AM
Quote from: Heiwa
And Stalin asked for help from Roosevelt. Then Hitler committed suicide and Roosevelt and Stalin attacked Japan with a fake a-bomb.
What total tripe is "Roosevelt and Stalin attacked Japan with a fake a-bomb"?
Stalin had nothing to do with it! Are you out of your mind?
Sorry, it was Truman that persuaded Stalin to attack Japan August 1945. Stalin was hesitant but Truman informed that Japan would surrender at once ... due to two fake a-bombs. I describe it at my website.
Actually, it was Roosevelt and Churchill at the Yalta conference in February 1945 who convinced Stalin to attack Japan within 3 months after the end of the war in Europe.  August 8 just happened to be exactly 3 months after VE Day (May 8).
No. At Yalta it was agreed that it would take 18 months to transfer all military forces in Europe to the Far East and attack Japan.
It was POTUS Truman and UK PM Attlee at Potsdam July 1945 that convinced Stalin to attack JAPAN August 1945 because it was already agreed that Japan would surrender. Stalin managed to find 140 divisions to attack Japan in a week! Amazing.
Both Truman and Attlee believed in the fake a-bomb show. I describe it at my webpage.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 20, 2020, 01:00:45 PM
No. At Yalta it was agreed that it would take 18 months to transfer all military forces in Europe to the Far East and attack Japan
A number of Allied nations already had military forces in the Pacific theater fighting the Japanese for several years before Yalta.  Russia is practically Japan's neighbor, so why would it take 18 months for Russia to gather forces to attack?

It was POTUS Truman and UK PM Attlee at Potsdam July 1945 that convinced Stalin to attack JAPAN August 1945 because it was already agreed that Japan would surrender.
What evidence do you have to support this claim?  And no, your "popular" web site doesn't count.

Stalin managed to find 140 divisions to attack Japan in a week! Amazing.
Yes, you said that it would take 18 months.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 20, 2020, 03:58:12 PM
Quote from: Heiwa
And Stalin asked for help from Roosevelt. Then Hitler committed suicide and Roosevelt and Stalin attacked Japan with a fake a-bomb.
What total tripe is "Roosevelt and Stalin attacked Japan with a fake a-bomb"?
Stalin had nothing to do with it! Are you out of your mind?
Sorry, it was Truman that persuaded Stalin to attack Japan August 1945. Stalin was hesitant but Truman informed that Japan would surrender at once ... due to two fake a-bombs.
Why on earth would the Japanese "surrender at once ... due to two fake a-bombs"?
If the carpet bombing of Tokyo did not force a Japanese surrender what would a couple of "fake a-bombs" do? NOTHING!

The Potsdam Conference, July 17–August 2, 1945, held between President Harry S. Truman, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill (and near the end Clement Attlee) is the conference that you mean.
Quote from: The Editors of Encyclopaedia Britannica
Potsdam Conference (https://www.britannica.com/event/Potsdam-Conference)
While in Potsdam, Truman told Stalin about the United States’ “new weapon” (the atomic bomb) that it intended to use against Japan. On July 26 an ultimatum was issued from the conference to Japan demanding unconditional surrender and threatening heavier air attacks otherwise. After Japan had rejected this ultimatum, the United States dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Quote from: History.com
Potsdam Conference (https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/potsdam-conference)
On July 26, the leaders issued a declaration demanding ‘unconditional surrender’ from Japan, concealing the fact that they had privately agreed to let Japan retain its emperor.
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Truman received word of the successful atomic bomb test soon after he arrived at Potsdam; he told Churchill the news but mentioned ‘a new weapon’ only casually to Stalin. Truman continued to solicit Stalin’s assistance against Japan, but he knew that if the bomb succeeded, Russian help would not be needed.

Quote from: Heiwa
I describe it at my website.
Let me reword that:
Quote from: what Heiwa meant to say:
I try to deceive people about it at my website.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 20, 2020, 04:20:36 PM
Also:
Quote from: https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/yalta-conference
While the war in Europe was winding down, Roosevelt knew the United States still faced a protracted struggle against Japan in the Pacific War, and wanted to confirm Soviet support in an effort to limit the length of and casualties sustained in that conflict. At Yalta, Stalin agreed that Soviet forces would join the Allies in the war against Japan within "two or three months" after Germany’s surrender.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 20, 2020, 04:48:44 PM
You have to study WW2 history.
It took USA February/March 1945 two months to conquer Iwo Jima, a small island, losing plenty soldiers. And then May/June 1945 it took US another two months to conquer Okinawa, another small island, losing even more soldiers. Total killed say 25000 and 50000 injured. To conquer two small islands! So US/Japan/USSR decided to do the fake a-bomb show. Negotiations had started already 1944. And Japan surrendered August 1945. And Stalin/USSR could take over N. Korea and NE. China.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 20, 2020, 04:49:58 PM
Also:
Quote from: https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/yalta-conference
While the war in Europe was winding down, Roosevelt knew the United States still faced a protracted struggle against Japan in the Pacific War, and wanted to confirm Soviet support in an effort to limit the length of and casualties sustained in that conflict. At Yalta, Stalin agreed that Soviet forces would join the Allies in the war against Japan within "two or three months" after Germany’s surrender.
Yes, Roosevelt adored Stalin that had been allied with Hitler 1939/41 and killed plenty people before that. Stalin was a man to trust. He knew how to falsify history. Easy! Just invent anything!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 20, 2020, 04:59:23 PM
Yes, Roosevelt adored Stalin that had been allied with Hitler 1939/41 and killed plenty people before that. Stalin was a man to trust. He knew how to falsify history. Easy! Just invent anything!
It seems that you've taken some of Stalin's lessons about falsifying history because you seem to invent an awful lot of it yourself.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 20, 2020, 05:32:22 PM
You have to study WW2 history.
It took USA February/March 1945 two months to conquer Iwo Jima, a small island, losing plenty soldiers. And then May/June 1945 it took US another two months to conquer Okinawa, another small island, losing even more soldiers. Total killed say 25000 and 50000 injured. To conquer two small islands!
That and the estimated massive casualties on both sides if the allies tried to invade the Japanese homeland.

Quote from: Heiwa
So US/Japan/USSR decided to do the fake a-bomb show.
Now you're making up your usual fairy stories again.  Where is your evidence that there was any "fake a-bomb show"?

US and the USSR had little say in the matter!
Truman already had confirmation that the Trinity Test (a plutonium bomb like "Fat Man") was successful. He never told Stalin details of the weapon, just that it was a new weapon.

Quote from: Heiwa
Negotiations had started already 1944.
What "Negotiations had started already 1944"?
But, in any case, in 1944 it was Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin. In 1945 it ended up between Truman, Atlee and Stalin.

Quote from: Heiwa
And Japan surrendered August 1945. And Stalin/USSR could take over N. Korea and NE. China.
USSR's "taking over" N. Korea was only supposed to have been till Korean independence but the USSR insisted that the north remain communist.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 20, 2020, 10:07:08 PM
Let’s say that USA attacked Japan with economic means in the 1930’s and bombed Japanese troops in China (well proven) and refused to negotiate, so that Japan was going bankrupt 1941. What was the solution? A stupid military attack (Pearl Harbor) and a quick occupation of US/European colonies in SE Asia! The Jap thought that US would finally negotiate some peaceful solution, because US lacked means, strategy and tactics to military defeat Japan. But Japan was mistaken. A stupid war started with no end in sight. Someone came up with a solution. The a-bomb hoax. Think about it!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 21, 2020, 02:49:27 AM
Let’s say that USA attacked Japan with economic means in the 1930’s
Let’s say that Japan suffered economically from the 1930s depression just like the USA and the rest of the world.

Quote from: Heiwa
and bombed Japanese troops in China and refused to negotiate,
Where is your evidence that USA did? USA provided aid to the Chinese and why not?
Japan had no right to be there and far less right to commit the atrocities they did.

Quote from: Heiwa
so that Japan was going bankrupt 1941. What was the solution? A stupid military attack (Pearl Harbor) and a quick occupation of US/European colonies in SE Asia! The Jap thought that US would finally negotiate some peaceful solution, because US lacked means, strategy and tactics to military defeat Japan. But Japan was mistaken. A stupid war started with no end in sight. Someone came up with a solution. The a-bomb hoax. Think about it!
Japan did attack Pearl Harbour, SE Asia including Burma, Singapore the then East Indies, New Guinea, bombing Darwin and shelling a few cities in eastern Australia.

This led to a protracted Pacific war that made it obvious that Japan would surrender their homeland easily.

No A-bomb hoax would fool the Japanese military! It took two of the real thing to convince them that Hiroshima was no fluke.

The facts sound far more believable than your story!
I live in Australia then lived on the "Brisbane line" and that Pacific war was very real.
And the "Battle of the Coral Sea, 4 May 1942 – 8 May 1942" was a little too close to home.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 21, 2020, 04:25:00 AM
Let’s say that USA attacked Japan with economic means in the 1930’s
Let’s say that Japan suffered economically from the 1930s depression just like the USA and the rest of the world.

Quote from: Heiwa
and bombed Japanese troops in China and refused to negotiate,
Where is your evidence that USA did? USA provided aid to the Chinese and why not?
Japan had no right to be there and far less right to commit the atrocities they did.

Quote from: Heiwa
so that Japan was going bankrupt 1941. What was the solution? A stupid military attack (Pearl Harbor) and a quick occupation of US/European colonies in SE Asia! The Jap thought that US would finally negotiate some peaceful solution, because US lacked means, strategy and tactics to military defeat Japan. But Japan was mistaken. A stupid war started with no end in sight. Someone came up with a solution. The a-bomb hoax. Think about it!
Japan did attack Pearl Harbour, SE Asia including Burma, Singapore the then East Indies, New Guinea, bombing Darwin and shelling a few cities in eastern Australia.

This led to a protracted Pacific war that made it obvious that Japan would surrender their homeland easily.

No A-bomb hoax would fool the Japanese military! It took two of the real thing to convince them that Hiroshima was no fluke.

The facts sound far more believable than your story!
I live in Australia then lived on the "Brisbane line" and that Pacific war was very real.
And the "Battle of the Coral Sea, 4 May 1942 – 8 May 1942" was a little too close to home.
Yes, it was stupid by Japan to attack Pearl Harbor 1941 in order to start peaceful negotiations about trade issues. I really wonder who came up with such crazy idea?  Equally stupid by Japan to attack and occupy US, Dutch and British colonies in SE Asia, even if the locals there welcomed the Japanese.
Japan lacked both strategy and tactics then to develop their military gains. And then US decided to re-conquer the colonies. Brilliant? No, just good for US business. But US lacked a good strategy. Attacking small islands like Iwo Jima and Okinawa just produced blood baths. So the a-bomb hoax idea became popular.
Only two fake a-bomb explosions in Japan convinced everyone at once to stop shooting. Brilliant.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 21, 2020, 04:43:22 AM
No A-bomb hoax would fool the Japanese military! It took two of the real thing to convince them that Hiroshima was no fluke.

The facts sound far more believable than your story!
I live in Australia then lived on the "Brisbane line" and that Pacific war was very real.
And the "Battle of the Coral Sea, 4 May 1942 – 8 May 1942" was a little too close to home.
Yes, it was stupid by Japan to attack Pearl Harbor 1941 in order to start peaceful negotiations about trade issues. Equally stupid by Japan to attack and occupy US, Dutch and British colonies in SE Asia, even if the local there welcomed the Japanese.
And where did you drag that the "locals there welcomed the Japanese" - not on you sweet Nellie!
The locals in most of those regions and especially in Timor and New Guinea hated the Japanese and gave great assistance to the Allied, largely Australian, troops.

Quote from: Heiwa
Japan lacked both strategy and tactics to develop their military gains. And then US decided to re-conquer the colonies.
Rubbish! The US, British and Australia forces freed the those countries from the hated Japanese and when the countries were rehabilitated left, though Britain hung onto Malaysia till more or less forced out.

Quote from: Heiwa
Brilliant? No, just good for US business. But US lacked a good strategy. Attacking small islands like Iwo Jima and Okinawa just produced blood baths. So the a-bomb hoax idea became popular.
Only two fake a-bomb explosions in Japan convinced everyone at once to stop shooting. Brilliant.
What total garbage! How would any "fake a-bomb explosions in Japan convince" Japan to surrender?

But those two A-bombs were just two! Since the Second World War, there have been over 2000 nuclear weapons tests.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 21, 2020, 06:13:34 AM

And where did you drag that the "locals there welcomed the Japanese" - not on you sweet Nellie!
The locals in most of those regions and especially in Timor and New Guinea hated the Japanese and gave great assistance to the Allied, largely Australian, troops.

My ships used to visit Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, Hong Kong and Burma 1980 - 2010 and I used to ask the locals about WW2 times and it seems the locals were happy that Japan kicked out white colonials and dealt with them instead. I have not been to Timor or New Guinea, though. I never met a local that had been badly treated by the Japanese.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 21, 2020, 08:26:45 AM
Quote from: Heiwa
Brilliant? No, just good for US business. But US lacked a good strategy. Attacking small islands like Iwo Jima and Okinawa just produced blood baths. So the a-bomb hoax idea became popular.
Only two fake a-bomb explosions in Japan convinced everyone at once to stop shooting. Brilliant.
What total garbage! How would any "fake a-bomb explosions in Japan convince" Japan to surrender?
As I understand it, the Japanese military didn't want to surrender even after the 2 atomic bombings.  Some high ranking officers were even ready to defy the emperor's orders and fight to the bloody end rather than suffer the humiliation of surrender.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 21, 2020, 08:45:06 AM
There are many opinions about what happened in Japan surrendering August/September 1945 but fact is that it was decided that Japan should continue to govern itself under emperor Hirohito under the control of US general Donald MacArthur.

Already 29 August 1945 the US' rules of occupation' were clear:

"The supreme (US) commander (Douglas MacArthur) shall exercise his authority through the Japanese authorities and agencies, including the emperor, to the extent that he satisfactorily fulfils the United States objectives. The Japanese government shall, in his instructions, be permitted to carry out the normal duties of the domestic administration."

I explain more at my website. Douglas and Hirohito later became good friends.

Without these two fools and their bosses at DC  the a-bomb hoax would not have become a success.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 21, 2020, 03:19:25 PM
Who is Donald MacArthur? ???
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 21, 2020, 03:27:38 PM
There are many opinions about what happened in Japan surrendering August/September 1945 but fact is that it was decided that Japan should continue to govern itself under emperor Hirohito under the control of US general Donald MacArthur.

Already 29 August 1945 the US' rules of occupation' were clear:

"The supreme (US) commander (Donald MacArthur) shall exercise his authority through the Japanese authorities and agencies, including the emperor, to the extent that he satisfactorily fulfils the United States objectives. The Japanese government shall, in his instructions, be permitted to carry out the normal duties of the domestic administration."

I explain more at my website.
All you explain at your useless website is just how you are quite unable to understand how things work. So you spin your fairy stories that all these things are hoaxes just to save face.
Fairy tales like:
Atomic bombs are ignited by compressing two pieces of metal with a neutron in between to double density to become a critical mass that becomes a FLASH and a mushroom cloud.

Quote from: Heiwa
Donald :o and Hirohito later became good friends.

Without these two fools and their bosses at DC  the a-bomb hoax would not have become a success.
Only an ignorant imbecile would write "the supreme (US) commander (Donald MacArthur)". Heiwa, the U.S. General of the Army was Douglas MacArthur.
He commanded the US forces from Brisbane (here!).
Quote
GHQ, SWPA, moved to Brisbane on 21 July 1942 and set up their offices in the 9 storey AMP Building in Queen Street, Brisbane
. . . . .
GHQ SWPA closed on 2 September 1945 when General MacArthur became Supreme Commander, Allied Powers
But only an ignorant imbecilic conspiritard would claim that the A-bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were hoaxes.

You never post EVIDENCE just your empty words about how YOU don't have the brains to understand how they can explode.

Don't you realise yet that the rest of the world regards you as a laughable ignorant conspiracy theorist who was even thrown out of AE911 Truth! Your silly ideas were too much for real architects and engineers!

Go back to cleaning the bilges on your garbage scows - at least you might understand how to do that.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on May 21, 2020, 08:59:22 PM
There are many opinions about what happened in Japan surrendering August/September 1945 but fact is that it was decided that Japan should continue to govern itself under emperor Hirohito under the control of US general Donald MacArthur.

Still want to know, who is Donald MacArthur?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 21, 2020, 10:54:55 PM
There are many opinions about what happened in Japan surrendering August/September 1945 but fact is that it was decided that Japan should continue to govern itself under emperor Hirohito under the control of US general Donald MacArthur.

Still want to know, who is Donald MacArthur?
He means Douglas.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 22, 2020, 06:52:19 AM
Who is Donald MacArthur? ???
Hirohito couldn't pronounce Douglas so it became Donald.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 22, 2020, 06:57:39 AM
There are many opinions about what happened in Japan surrendering August/September 1945 but fact is that it was decided that Japan should continue to govern itself under emperor Hirohito under the control of US general Donald MacArthur.

Already 29 August 1945 the US' rules of occupation' were clear:

"The supreme (US) commander (Donald MacArthur) shall exercise his authority through the Japanese authorities and agencies, including the emperor, to the extent that he satisfactorily fulfils the United States objectives. The Japanese government shall, in his instructions, be permitted to carry out the normal duties of the domestic administration."

I explain more at my website.
All you explain at your useless website is just how you are quite unable to understand how things work. So you spin your fairy stories that all these things are hoaxes just to save face.
Fairy tales like:
Atomic bombs are ignited by compressing two pieces of metal with a neutron in between to double density to become a critical mass that becomes a FLASH and a mushroom cloud.

Quote from: Heiwa
Donald :o and Hirohito later became good friends.

Without these two fools and their bosses at DC  the a-bomb hoax would not have become a success.
Only an ignorant imbecile would write "the supreme (US) commander (Donald MacArthur)". Heiwa, the U.S. General of the Army was Douglas MacArthur.
He commanded the US forces from Brisbane (here!).
Quote
GHQ, SWPA, moved to Brisbane on 21 July 1942 and set up their offices in the 9 storey AMP Building in Queen Street, Brisbane
. . . . .
GHQ SWPA closed on 2 September 1945 when General MacArthur became Supreme Commander, Allied Powers
But only an ignorant imbecilic conspiritard would claim that the A-bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were hoaxes.

You never post EVIDENCE just your empty words about how YOU don't have the brains to understand how they can explode.

Don't you realise yet that the rest of the world regards you as a laughable ignorant conspiracy theorist who was even thrown out of AE911 Truth! Your silly ideas were too much for real architects and engineers!

Go back to cleaning the bilges on your garbage scows - at least you might understand how to do that.

Have a nice day.
I know that Douglas MacArthur was head of a US colonial army and abandoned his troops at the Philippines 1942 and fled to Australia. A real commander should stay with his troops and fight to the end or surrender. But flee and abandon? Douglas should have been shot on the spot or reclassified as an ordinary GI. Before that he had a Philippine girlfriend for many years at Manila that he abandoned for an American heiress/tourist passing by. Poor Douglas. But he also planned to become President of USA 1944! It costs money.

Re my site - it seems you are jealous . Probably because of lack of intelligence and knowledge.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on May 22, 2020, 12:13:20 PM
There are many opinions about what happened in Japan surrendering August/September 1945 but fact is that it was decided that Japan should continue to govern itself under emperor Hirohito under the control of US general Donald MacArthur.

Already 29 August 1945 the US' rules of occupation' were clear:

"The supreme (US) commander (Donald MacArthur) shall exercise his authority through the Japanese authorities and agencies, including the emperor, to the extent that he satisfactorily fulfils the United States objectives. The Japanese government shall, in his instructions, be permitted to carry out the normal duties of the domestic administration."

I explain more at my website.
All you explain at your useless website is just how you are quite unable to understand how things work. So you spin your fairy stories that all these things are hoaxes just to save face.
Fairy tales like:
Atomic bombs are ignited by compressing two pieces of metal with a neutron in between to double density to become a critical mass that becomes a FLASH and a mushroom cloud.

Quote from: Heiwa
Donald :o and Hirohito later became good friends.

Without these two fools and their bosses at DC  the a-bomb hoax would not have become a success.
Only an ignorant imbecile would write "the supreme (US) commander (Donald MacArthur)". Heiwa, the U.S. General of the Army was Douglas MacArthur.
He commanded the US forces from Brisbane (here!).
Quote
GHQ, SWPA, moved to Brisbane on 21 July 1942 and set up their offices in the 9 storey AMP Building in Queen Street, Brisbane
. . . . .
GHQ SWPA closed on 2 September 1945 when General MacArthur became Supreme Commander, Allied Powers
But only an ignorant imbecilic conspiritard would claim that the A-bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were hoaxes.

You never post EVIDENCE just your empty words about how YOU don't have the brains to understand how they can explode.

Don't you realise yet that the rest of the world regards you as a laughable ignorant conspiracy theorist who was even thrown out of AE911 Truth! Your silly ideas were too much for real architects and engineers!

Go back to cleaning the bilges on your garbage scows - at least you might understand how to do that.

Have a nice day.
I know that Douglas MacArthur was head of a US colonial army and abandoned his troops at the Philippines 1942 and fled to Australia. A real commander should stay with his troops and fight to the end or surrender. But flee and abandon? Douglas should have been shot on the spot or reclassified as an ordinary GI. Before that he had a Philippine girlfriend for many years at Manila that he abandoned for an American heiress/tourist passing by. Poor Douglas. But he also planned to become President of USA 1944! It costs money.

Re my site - it seems you are jealous . Probably because of lack of intelligence and knowledge.

What a bunch of gibberish.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 22, 2020, 12:20:56 PM
There are many opinions about what happened in Japan surrendering August/September 1945 but fact is that it was decided that Japan should continue to govern itself under emperor Hirohito under the control of US general Donald MacArthur.

Already 29 August 1945 the US' rules of occupation' were clear:

"The supreme (US) commander (Donald MacArthur) shall exercise his authority through the Japanese authorities and agencies, including the emperor, to the extent that he satisfactorily fulfils the United States objectives. The Japanese government shall, in his instructions, be permitted to carry out the normal duties of the domestic administration."

I explain more at my website.
All you explain at your useless website is just how you are quite unable to understand how things work. So you spin your fairy stories that all these things are hoaxes just to save face.
Fairy tales like:
Atomic bombs are ignited by compressing two pieces of metal with a neutron in between to double density to become a critical mass that becomes a FLASH and a mushroom cloud.

Quote from: Heiwa
Donald :o and Hirohito later became good friends.

Without these two fools and their bosses at DC  the a-bomb hoax would not have become a success.
Only an ignorant imbecile would write "the supreme (US) commander (Donald MacArthur)". Heiwa, the U.S. General of the Army was Douglas MacArthur.
He commanded the US forces from Brisbane (here!).
Quote
GHQ, SWPA, moved to Brisbane on 21 July 1942 and set up their offices in the 9 storey AMP Building in Queen Street, Brisbane
. . . . .
GHQ SWPA closed on 2 September 1945 when General MacArthur became Supreme Commander, Allied Powers
But only an ignorant imbecilic conspiritard would claim that the A-bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were hoaxes.

You never post EVIDENCE just your empty words about how YOU don't have the brains to understand how they can explode.

Don't you realise yet that the rest of the world regards you as a laughable ignorant conspiracy theorist who was even thrown out of AE911 Truth! Your silly ideas were too much for real architects and engineers!

Go back to cleaning the bilges on your garbage scows - at least you might understand how to do that.

Have a nice day.
I know that Douglas MacArthur was head of a US colonial army and abandoned his troops at the Philippines 1942 and fled to Australia. A real commander should stay with his troops and fight to the end or surrender. But flee and abandon? Douglas should have been shot on the spot or reclassified as an ordinary GI. Before that he had a Philippine girlfriend for many years at Manila that he abandoned for an American heiress/tourist passing by. Poor Douglas. But he also planned to become President of USA 1944! It costs money.

Re my site - it seems you are jealous . Probably because of lack of intelligence and knowledge.

What a bunch of gibberish.
No. Douglas MacArthur was head of a US colonial army and abandoned his troops at the Philippines 1942 and fled to Australia. And then he returned and won the war against Japan 1945. He was the greatest soldier ever. Assisted by Stalin, Truman and fake a-bombs.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on May 22, 2020, 12:50:06 PM
There are many opinions about what happened in Japan surrendering August/September 1945 but fact is that it was decided that Japan should continue to govern itself under emperor Hirohito under the control of US general Donald MacArthur.

Already 29 August 1945 the US' rules of occupation' were clear:

"The supreme (US) commander (Donald MacArthur) shall exercise his authority through the Japanese authorities and agencies, including the emperor, to the extent that he satisfactorily fulfils the United States objectives. The Japanese government shall, in his instructions, be permitted to carry out the normal duties of the domestic administration."

I explain more at my website.
All you explain at your useless website is just how you are quite unable to understand how things work. So you spin your fairy stories that all these things are hoaxes just to save face.
Fairy tales like:
Atomic bombs are ignited by compressing two pieces of metal with a neutron in between to double density to become a critical mass that becomes a FLASH and a mushroom cloud.

Quote from: Heiwa
Donald :o and Hirohito later became good friends.

Without these two fools and their bosses at DC  the a-bomb hoax would not have become a success.
Only an ignorant imbecile would write "the supreme (US) commander (Donald MacArthur)". Heiwa, the U.S. General of the Army was Douglas MacArthur.
He commanded the US forces from Brisbane (here!).
Quote
GHQ, SWPA, moved to Brisbane on 21 July 1942 and set up their offices in the 9 storey AMP Building in Queen Street, Brisbane
. . . . .
GHQ SWPA closed on 2 September 1945 when General MacArthur became Supreme Commander, Allied Powers
But only an ignorant imbecilic conspiritard would claim that the A-bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were hoaxes.

You never post EVIDENCE just your empty words about how YOU don't have the brains to understand how they can explode.

Don't you realise yet that the rest of the world regards you as a laughable ignorant conspiracy theorist who was even thrown out of AE911 Truth! Your silly ideas were too much for real architects and engineers!

Go back to cleaning the bilges on your garbage scows - at least you might understand how to do that.

Have a nice day.
I know that Douglas MacArthur was head of a US colonial army and abandoned his troops at the Philippines 1942 and fled to Australia. A real commander should stay with his troops and fight to the end or surrender. But flee and abandon? Douglas should have been shot on the spot or reclassified as an ordinary GI. Before that he had a Philippine girlfriend for many years at Manila that he abandoned for an American heiress/tourist passing by. Poor Douglas. But he also planned to become President of USA 1944! It costs money.

Re my site - it seems you are jealous . Probably because of lack of intelligence and knowledge.

What a bunch of gibberish.
No. Douglas MacArthur was head of a US colonial army and abandoned his troops at the Philippines 1942 and fled to Australia. And then he returned and won the war against Japan 1945. He was the greatest soldier ever. Assisted by Stalin, Truman and fake a-bombs.

Apparently he was ordered to leave by FDR to go to Australia to marshal resources/troops for defending the Philippines and Australia.

"After struggling against great odds to save the Philippines from Japanese conquest, U.S. General Douglas MacArthur abandons the island fortress of Corregidor under orders from President Franklin Roosevelt.
For his valiant defense of the Philippines, MacArthur was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor and celebrated as “America’s First Soldier.” Put in command of Allied forces in the Southwestern Pacific, his first duty was conducting the defense of Australia."


Get your facts straight and stop making things up.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 22, 2020, 01:54:31 PM
There are many opinions about what happened in Japan surrendering August/September 1945 but fact is that it was decided that Japan should continue to govern itself under emperor Hirohito under the control of US general Donald MacArthur.

Already 29 August 1945 the US' rules of occupation' were clear:

"The supreme (US) commander (Donald MacArthur) shall exercise his authority through the Japanese authorities and agencies, including the emperor, to the extent that he satisfactorily fulfils the United States objectives. The Japanese government shall, in his instructions, be permitted to carry out the normal duties of the domestic administration."

I explain more at my website.
All you explain at your useless website is just how you are quite unable to understand how things work. So you spin your fairy stories that all these things are hoaxes just to save face.
Fairy tales like:
Atomic bombs are ignited by compressing two pieces of metal with a neutron in between to double density to become a critical mass that becomes a FLASH and a mushroom cloud.

Quote from: Heiwa
Donald :o and Hirohito later became good friends.

Without these two fools and their bosses at DC  the a-bomb hoax would not have become a success.
Only an ignorant imbecile would write "the supreme (US) commander (Donald MacArthur)". Heiwa, the U.S. General of the Army was Douglas MacArthur.
He commanded the US forces from Brisbane (here!).
Quote
GHQ, SWPA, moved to Brisbane on 21 July 1942 and set up their offices in the 9 storey AMP Building in Queen Street, Brisbane
. . . . .
GHQ SWPA closed on 2 September 1945 when General MacArthur became Supreme Commander, Allied Powers
But only an ignorant imbecilic conspiritard would claim that the A-bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were hoaxes.

You never post EVIDENCE just your empty words about how YOU don't have the brains to understand how they can explode.

Don't you realise yet that the rest of the world regards you as a laughable ignorant conspiracy theorist who was even thrown out of AE911 Truth! Your silly ideas were too much for real architects and engineers!

Go back to cleaning the bilges on your garbage scows - at least you might understand how to do that.

Have a nice day.
I know that Douglas MacArthur was head of a US colonial army and abandoned his troops at the Philippines 1942 and fled to Australia. A real commander should stay with his troops and fight to the end or surrender. But flee and abandon? Douglas should have been shot on the spot or reclassified as an ordinary GI. Before that he had a Philippine girlfriend for many years at Manila that he abandoned for an American heiress/tourist passing by. Poor Douglas. But he also planned to become President of USA 1944! It costs money.

Re my site - it seems you are jealous . Probably because of lack of intelligence and knowledge.

What a bunch of gibberish.
No. Douglas MacArthur was head of a US colonial army and abandoned his troops at the Philippines 1942 and fled to Australia. And then he returned and won the war against Japan 1945. He was the greatest soldier ever. Assisted by Stalin, Truman and fake a-bombs.

Apparently he was ordered to leave by FDR to go to Australia to marshal resources/troops for defending the Philippines and Australia.

"After struggling against great odds to save the Philippines from Japanese conquest, U.S. General Douglas MacArthur abandons the island fortress of Corregidor under orders from President Franklin Roosevelt.
For his valiant defense of the Philippines, MacArthur was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor and celebrated as “America’s First Soldier.” Put in command of Allied forces in the Southwestern Pacific, his first duty was conducting the defense of Australia."


Get your facts straight and stop making things up.
Yes, let's say FDR ordered MacArthur to abandon his troops on the Philippines to defend Australia. Do you feel better?
Anyway, topic is nuclear bombs. They are as fake as FDR ordering a general to abandon his soldiers.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 22, 2020, 02:55:52 PM
No. Douglas MacArthur was head of a US colonial army and abandoned his troops at the Philippines 1942 and fled to Australia.

Quote from: Heiwa
And then he returned and won the war against Japan 1945.
Maybe you should learn the full story?
Quote
Leyte
Three men are seated in lounge chairs. One is standing, holding a long stick and pointing to the location of Japan on a wall map of the Pacific.
Conference in Hawaii, September 1944. Left to right: General MacArthur, President Roosevelt, Admiral Leahy, Admiral Nimitz.
In July 1944, President Roosevelt summoned MacArthur to meet with him in Hawaii "to determine the phase of action against Japan." Nimitz and MacArthur agreed that the next step should be to advance on the southern and central Philippines. MacArthur emphasized the moral and political issues involved in a decision to liberate or bypass Luzon. He also spoke briefly of his plan to use the Australian Army to liberate Indonesia. Although the issue was not settled, both Roosevelt and Leahy were convinced of the soundness of MacArthur's plan.
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On October 20, 1944, troops of Krueger's Sixth Army landed on Leyte, while MacArthur watched from USS Nashville. That afternoon he arrived off the beach. The advance had not progressed far; snipers were still active and the area was under sporadic mortar fire. When his whaleboat grounded in knee-deep water, MacArthur requested a landing craft, but the beachmaster was too busy to grant his request. MacArthur was compelled to wade ashore. In his prepared speech he said:

       
People of the Philippines: I have returned. By the grace of Almighty God our forces stand again on Philippine soil — soil consecrated in the blood of our two peoples. We have come dedicated and committed to the task of destroying every vestige of enemy control over your daily lives, and of restoring upon a foundation of indestructible strength, the liberties of your people.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Douglas_MacArthur_lands_Leyte1.jpg/450px-Douglas_MacArthur_lands_Leyte1.jpg)
"I have returned" — General MacArthur returns to the Philippines.

Quote from: Heiwa
He was the greatest soldier ever.
Field Marshal Douglas MacArthur was a great soldier and leader but whoever claimed he was "the greatest soldier"?
That's just more of your low snide attempt at ridicule - I gues it's all you know.

Quote from: Heiwa
Assisted by Stalin, Truman and fake a-bombs.
That's enough of your idiotic ignorant ridicule but I guess it's that only debating tactic you know since you have no valid arguments.

But, I ask again, why would "fake a-bombs" convince people like the Japanese to surrender - it took two real A-bombs and Emperor Hirohito's intervention to convince them to finally surrender!
Quote
The Japan Times OPINION: Why did Japan surrender in World War II? (https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2016/08/06/commentary/japan-surrender-world-war-ii/)
There is contentious debate among scholars about why Japan surrendered in World War II. Some believe the Aug. 15, 1945, declaration was the result of the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

It’s possible that these finally pushed Emperor Hirohito (posthumously called Emperor Showa) to break the deadlock in the Supreme War Council and accept the terms of the Potsdam Declaration for unconditional surrender issued by the Allied leaders on July 26, 1945. In that declaration, there was a promise of “prompt and utter destruction” if the armed forces of Japan didn’t surrender. The use of weapons of mass destruction causing the incineration of large swaths of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in quick succession backed up that threat, highlighting the futility of continuing the war. Emperor Hirohito’s intervention on the side of those favoring capitulation was crucial to winning over those hardliners who didn’t.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on May 22, 2020, 03:04:41 PM
There are many opinions about what happened in Japan surrendering August/September 1945 but fact is that it was decided that Japan should continue to govern itself under emperor Hirohito under the control of US general Donald MacArthur.

Already 29 August 1945 the US' rules of occupation' were clear:

"The supreme (US) commander (Donald MacArthur) shall exercise his authority through the Japanese authorities and agencies, including the emperor, to the extent that he satisfactorily fulfils the United States objectives. The Japanese government shall, in his instructions, be permitted to carry out the normal duties of the domestic administration."

I explain more at my website.
All you explain at your useless website is just how you are quite unable to understand how things work. So you spin your fairy stories that all these things are hoaxes just to save face.
Fairy tales like:
Atomic bombs are ignited by compressing two pieces of metal with a neutron in between to double density to become a critical mass that becomes a FLASH and a mushroom cloud.

Quote from: Heiwa
Donald :o and Hirohito later became good friends.

Without these two fools and their bosses at DC  the a-bomb hoax would not have become a success.
Only an ignorant imbecile would write "the supreme (US) commander (Donald MacArthur)". Heiwa, the U.S. General of the Army was Douglas MacArthur.
He commanded the US forces from Brisbane (here!).
Quote
GHQ, SWPA, moved to Brisbane on 21 July 1942 and set up their offices in the 9 storey AMP Building in Queen Street, Brisbane
. . . . .
GHQ SWPA closed on 2 September 1945 when General MacArthur became Supreme Commander, Allied Powers
But only an ignorant imbecilic conspiritard would claim that the A-bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were hoaxes.

You never post EVIDENCE just your empty words about how YOU don't have the brains to understand how they can explode.

Don't you realise yet that the rest of the world regards you as a laughable ignorant conspiracy theorist who was even thrown out of AE911 Truth! Your silly ideas were too much for real architects and engineers!

Go back to cleaning the bilges on your garbage scows - at least you might understand how to do that.

Have a nice day.
I know that Douglas MacArthur was head of a US colonial army and abandoned his troops at the Philippines 1942 and fled to Australia. A real commander should stay with his troops and fight to the end or surrender. But flee and abandon? Douglas should have been shot on the spot or reclassified as an ordinary GI. Before that he had a Philippine girlfriend for many years at Manila that he abandoned for an American heiress/tourist passing by. Poor Douglas. But he also planned to become President of USA 1944! It costs money.

Re my site - it seems you are jealous . Probably because of lack of intelligence and knowledge.

What a bunch of gibberish.
No. Douglas MacArthur was head of a US colonial army and abandoned his troops at the Philippines 1942 and fled to Australia. And then he returned and won the war against Japan 1945. He was the greatest soldier ever. Assisted by Stalin, Truman and fake a-bombs.

Apparently he was ordered to leave by FDR to go to Australia to marshal resources/troops for defending the Philippines and Australia.

"After struggling against great odds to save the Philippines from Japanese conquest, U.S. General Douglas MacArthur abandons the island fortress of Corregidor under orders from President Franklin Roosevelt.
For his valiant defense of the Philippines, MacArthur was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor and celebrated as “America’s First Soldier.” Put in command of Allied forces in the Southwestern Pacific, his first duty was conducting the defense of Australia."


Get your facts straight and stop making things up.
Yes, let's say FDR ordered MacArthur to abandon his troops on the Philippines to defend Australia. Do you feel better?
Anyway, topic is nuclear bombs. They are as fake as FDR ordering a general to abandon his soldiers.

I know what the topic is. I'm just pointing out how you perpetually misinterpret and misrepresent the facts to suite your personal narrative. And your brand of misinterpretation and misrepresentation is smeared across all of your claims. The MacArthur business is just yet another one in a long list of highly dubious and unsubstantiated claims.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 22, 2020, 08:01:18 PM
The Philippines was a US colony with MacArthur as governor for many years. The place produced pine apples. Salaries were low. He had a  Philippine girlfriend for many years to govern. Then he became the governor of Japan 1945 even if his bosses told him to govern using the existing set up (Hirohito & Co!) . In S.Korea US had installed a puppet that couldn't govern. There was a Korean civil war and MacArthur was asked to win it. And he lost. No a-bombs were used as they didn't exist. Plenty people died anyway. Sad story.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on May 22, 2020, 08:25:33 PM
The Philippines was a US colony with MacArthur as governor for many years. The place produced pine apples. Salaries were low. He had a  Philippine girlfriend for many years to govern. Then he became the governor of Japan 1945 even if his bosses told him to govern using the existing set up (Hirohito & Co!) . In S.Korea US had installed a puppet that couldn't govern. There was a Korean civil war and MacArthur was asked to win it. And he lost. No a-bombs were used as they didn't exist. Plenty people died anyway. Sad story.

The Philippines were a Spanish colony that was ceded to the USA as a result of the Spanish American War.

Calling it a US Colony is like saying that New York City, New Jersey, and Connecticut were a British Colony.  They were a dutch colony called New Amsterdam that surrendered to the British.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 22, 2020, 11:58:12 PM
Quote from: Heiwa
Brilliant? No, just good for US business. But US lacked a good strategy. Attacking small islands like Iwo Jima and Okinawa just produced blood baths. So the a-bomb hoax idea became popular.
Only two fake a-bomb explosions in Japan convinced everyone at once to stop shooting. Brilliant.
What total garbage! How would any "fake a-bomb explosions in Japan convince" Japan to surrender?
As I understand it, the Japanese military didn't want to surrender even after the 2 atomic bombings.  Some high ranking officers were even ready to defy the emperor's orders and fight to the bloody end rather than suffer the humiliation of surrender.
No, after the 1936 military unrest Japanese military always followed orders from Tokyo. If not, they were shot on the spot. Question remains who gave the orders at Tokyo. One thing is clear. It wasn't Hirohito.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 23, 2020, 12:04:33 AM
The Philippines was a US colony with MacArthur as governor for many years. The place produced pine apples. Salaries were low. He had a  Philippine girlfriend for many years to govern. Then he became the governor of Japan 1945 even if his bosses told him to govern using the existing set up (Hirohito & Co!) . In S.Korea US had installed a puppet that couldn't govern. There was a Korean civil war and MacArthur was asked to win it. And he lost. No a-bombs were used as they didn't exist. Plenty people died anyway. Sad story.

The Philippines were a Spanish colony that was ceded to the USA as a result of the Spanish American War.

Calling it a US Colony is like saying that New York City, New Jersey, and Connecticut were a British Colony.  They were a dutch colony called New Amsterdam that surrendered to the British.
Well, I call the Philippines a US colony where US treated the locals as slaves. So when the Japanese kicking out the Americans arrived 1942, they were welcomed. When the Japanese left, there was a civil war won by locals supported by US, which installed a puppet to run the country. Tough times.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 23, 2020, 12:13:26 AM

You never post EVIDENCE just your empty words about how YOU don't have the brains to understand how they can explode.

You really have to study the findings at my website. Evidently USA (Truman) and USSR (Stalin) made all information about their a-bombs secret 1945 onward. In USA they are still secret but when USSR collapsed 1992 the archives/records slowly became available. The new Russian government however decided to continue the a-bomb hoax and some records had to be 'modified' to suit the new situation. But there is no evidence that USSR built any nuclear weapons 1945/92. It was just propaganda all the time. The Wismut AG mines in Saxony, Germany, never produced any Uranium to Stalin! Germany plays along with Russia today to keep the hoax alive.  Other USSR hoaxes are the Sputnik and Gagarin orbiting Earth and USSR spacecrafts going to Mars and Venus.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on May 23, 2020, 03:08:57 AM
The Philippines was a US colony with MacArthur as governor for many years. The place produced pine apples. Salaries were low. He had a  Philippine girlfriend for many years to govern. Then he became the governor of Japan 1945 even if his bosses told him to govern using the existing set up (Hirohito & Co!) . In S.Korea US had installed a puppet that couldn't govern. There was a Korean civil war and MacArthur was asked to win it. And he lost. No a-bombs were used as they didn't exist. Plenty people died anyway. Sad story.

The Philippines were a Spanish colony that was ceded to the USA as a result of the Spanish American War.

Calling it a US Colony is like saying that New York City, New Jersey, and Connecticut were a British Colony.  They were a dutch colony called New Amsterdam that surrendered to the British.
Well, I call the Philippines a US colony where US treated the locals as slaves. So when the Japanese kicking out the Americans arrived 1942, they were welcomed. When the Japanese left, there was a civil war won by locals supported by US, which installed a puppet to run the country. Tough times.

You can't just re-write history because you say so. None of the above is true, not even close and it's all very well documented and recorded. The people of the Philippines certainly weren't happily enjoying Japanese solders enslaving and raping thousands of women. I'm pretty sure none of those women, or the children pressed into work gangs by the Japanese  were very welcoming.

It's really insulting to dismiss all that suffering. Even today there are still survivors telling their stories, and while the US certainly isn't free of doing bad things, the people of the Philippines spent the entire war fighting against the Japanese occupation.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 23, 2020, 04:17:57 AM
The Philippines was a US colony with MacArthur as governor for many years. The place produced pine apples. Salaries were low. He had a  Philippine girlfriend for many years to govern. Then he became the governor of Japan 1945 even if his bosses told him to govern using the existing set up (Hirohito & Co!) . In S.Korea US had installed a puppet that couldn't govern. There was a Korean civil war and MacArthur was asked to win it. And he lost. No a-bombs were used as they didn't exist. Plenty people died anyway. Sad story.

The Philippines were a Spanish colony that was ceded to the USA as a result of the Spanish American War.

Calling it a US Colony is like saying that New York City, New Jersey, and Connecticut were a British Colony.  They were a dutch colony called New Amsterdam that surrendered to the British.
Well, I call the Philippines a US colony where US treated the locals as slaves. So when the Japanese kicking out the Americans arrived 1942, they were welcomed. When the Japanese left, there was a civil war won by locals supported by US, which installed a puppet to run the country. Tough times.

You can't just re-write history because you say so. None of the above is true, not even close and it's all very well documented and recorded. The people of the Philippines certainly weren't happily enjoying Japanese solders enslaving and raping thousands of women. I'm pretty sure none of those women, or the children pressed into work gangs by the Japanese  were very welcoming.

It's really insulting to dismiss all that suffering. Even today there are still survivors telling their stories, and while the US certainly isn't free of doing bad things, the people of the Philippines spent the entire war fighting against the Japanese occupation.
Yes, the Japanese solders were enslaving and raping thousands of Philippine women 1942/5 and then MacArthur came back and stopped it. 
But only after two fake a-bombs had exploded in southern and western Japan.
I just have another interpretation of it.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on May 23, 2020, 04:23:50 AM
The Philippines was a US colony with MacArthur as governor for many years. The place produced pine apples. Salaries were low. He had a  Philippine girlfriend for many years to govern. Then he became the governor of Japan 1945 even if his bosses told him to govern using the existing set up (Hirohito & Co!) . In S.Korea US had installed a puppet that couldn't govern. There was a Korean civil war and MacArthur was asked to win it. And he lost. No a-bombs were used as they didn't exist. Plenty people died anyway. Sad story.

The Philippines were a Spanish colony that was ceded to the USA as a result of the Spanish American War.

Calling it a US Colony is like saying that New York City, New Jersey, and Connecticut were a British Colony.  They were a dutch colony called New Amsterdam that surrendered to the British.
Well, I call the Philippines a US colony where US treated the locals as slaves. So when the Japanese kicking out the Americans arrived 1942, they were welcomed. When the Japanese left, there was a civil war won by locals supported by US, which installed a puppet to run the country. Tough times.

You can't just re-write history because you say so. None of the above is true, not even close and it's all very well documented and recorded. The people of the Philippines certainly weren't happily enjoying Japanese solders enslaving and raping thousands of women. I'm pretty sure none of those women, or the children pressed into work gangs by the Japanese  were very welcoming.

It's really insulting to dismiss all that suffering. Even today there are still survivors telling their stories, and while the US certainly isn't free of doing bad things, the people of the Philippines spent the entire war fighting against the Japanese occupation.
Yes, the Japanese solders were enslaving and raping thousands of Philippine women 1942/5 and then MacArthur came back and stopped it. 
But only after two fake a-bombs had exploded in southern and western Japan.
I just have another interpretation of it.

No, what you have are called lies.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 23, 2020, 10:36:23 AM
The Philippines was a US colony with MacArthur as governor for many years. The place produced pine apples. Salaries were low. He had a  Philippine girlfriend for many years to govern. Then he became the governor of Japan 1945 even if his bosses told him to govern using the existing set up (Hirohito & Co!) . In S.Korea US had installed a puppet that couldn't govern. There was a Korean civil war and MacArthur was asked to win it. And he lost. No a-bombs were used as they didn't exist. Plenty people died anyway. Sad story.

The Philippines were a Spanish colony that was ceded to the USA as a result of the Spanish American War.

Calling it a US Colony is like saying that New York City, New Jersey, and Connecticut were a British Colony.  They were a dutch colony called New Amsterdam that surrendered to the British.
Well, I call the Philippines a US colony where US treated the locals as slaves. So when the Japanese kicking out the Americans arrived 1942, they were welcomed. When the Japanese left, there was a civil war won by locals supported by US, which installed a puppet to run the country. Tough times.

You can't just re-write history because you say so. None of the above is true, not even close and it's all very well documented and recorded. The people of the Philippines certainly weren't happily enjoying Japanese solders enslaving and raping thousands of women. I'm pretty sure none of those women, or the children pressed into work gangs by the Japanese  were very welcoming.

It's really insulting to dismiss all that suffering. Even today there are still survivors telling their stories, and while the US certainly isn't free of doing bad things, the people of the Philippines spent the entire war fighting against the Japanese occupation.
Yes, the Japanese solders were enslaving and raping thousands of Philippine women 1942/5 and then MacArthur came back and stopped it. 
But only after two fake a-bombs had exploded in southern and western Japan.
I just have another interpretation of it.

No, what you have are called lies.
Hm, I honestly check things of the past, get rid of the old Fake News and conclude something else. I think secretary of war and destruction Henry Lewis Stimson made a mess of this stupid Manhattan project 1942/5 - the a-bomb didn't work - and then his old friend Douglas MacArthur helped him! They faked it together. The Jap happily assisted - they surrendered at once - as long as they could continues to run the show as before. Just execute some Japs, etc, etc. The rest was/is easy. All Japs just do what they are told.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 23, 2020, 01:37:57 PM
The Jap happily assisted - they surrendered at once...
Except they didn't "surrender at once".  Japan didn't announce their surrender until August 15, almost a week after the Nagasaki bombing.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 23, 2020, 09:00:22 PM
The Jap happily assisted - they surrendered at once...
Except they didn't "surrender at once".  Japan didn't announce their surrender until August 15, almost a week after the Nagasaki bombing.
Exactly! Part of the show. Stalin/USSR attacked August 9, when the Nagasaki 'a-bombing' took place (Nagasaki had been napalm bombed earlier). Stalin quickly took over Manchuria and N/Korea, some Americans decided where Stalin should stop, etc, etc. Everyone was happy that two (fake) a-bombs had been used, so they could stop shooting the enemy with guns and canons. And US alone could occupy the four Japanese main islands. US is still there with their bases.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 23, 2020, 09:13:58 PM
The Jap happily assisted - they surrendered at once...
Except they didn't "surrender at once".  Japan didn't announce their surrender until August 15, almost a week after the Nagasaki bombing.
Exactly! Part of the show. Stalin/USSR attacked August 9, when the Nagasaki 'a-bombing' took place (Nagasaki had been napalm bombed earlier). Stalin quickly took over Manchuria and N/Korea, some Americans decided where Stalin should stop, etc, etc. Everyone was happy that two (fake) a-bombs had been used, so they could stop shooting the enemy with guns and canons. And US alone could occupy the four Japanese main islands. US is still there with their bases.
I've asked before but who writes your ingenious fairytales?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 23, 2020, 10:14:05 PM
The Jap happily assisted - they surrendered at once...
Except they didn't "surrender at once".  Japan didn't announce their surrender until August 15, almost a week after the Nagasaki bombing.
Exactly! Part of the show. Stalin/USSR attacked August 9, when the Nagasaki 'a-bombing' took place (Nagasaki had been napalm bombed earlier). Stalin quickly took over Manchuria and N/Korea, some Americans decided where Stalin should stop, etc, etc. Everyone was happy that two (fake) a-bombs had been used, so they could stop shooting the enemy with guns and canons. And US alone could occupy the four Japanese main islands. US is still there with their bases.
I've asked before but who writes your ingenious fairy tales?
I do it myself assisted by info of plenty new books about the matter. You know as long USSR existed it was difficult to show all lies about Stalin, the cold war, nuclear arms, etc.
Then USSR collapsed 1992 and the Russians themselves could look into the records what Stalin/FDR/Truman did in the 1940's, incl. fake a-bombs. It seems that Russian president Putin liked the a-bomb hoax created 1945 and decided to keep it. He should know. He was working at Dresden, Saxony, East Germany, in the 1980's where USSR got its fake Uranium from the Wismut AG mines. Wismut AG never produced any Uranium ... so Stalin had to fake his a-bomb 1949. Germany today likes Putin and Russia, so it also assists the hoax. Same in Japan.
I just happened to get involved when a Swedish Nobel prize winner told me to avoid nuclear physics/arms as a career 1964. He had been asked to build a Swedish a-bomb 1945, he agreed ... and would explain all about it. He was asked to shut up and got $1M from the Rockefeller Foundation for it. To shut up! I went to Japan building supertankers 1972/6 and met people from Nagasaki and Hiroshima shipyards telling me no a-bombs destroyed them 1945! It was confusing. I checked their Peace Museums full of a-bomb propaganda! But then 1999 I met a woman from Saxony, Germany, whose father had worked for Wismut AG 1947/58 producing fake Uranium for Stalin's fake a-bomb. A tragic story. The parents were victims of of two German dictatorships, which didn't help. And then they were arrested and disappeared 1958. The daughter thought they were dead! And so on.
It convinced me that a-bombs do not exist.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 23, 2020, 11:05:52 PM
It convinced me that a-bombs do not exist.
So all the other evidence means nothing.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 24, 2020, 02:50:00 AM
It convinced me that a-bombs do not exist.
So all the other evidence means nothing.
There is no evidence that a-bombs can explode, i.e. billions of uranium atoms fission split in nanoseconds into other atoms + releasing pure energy vaporizing civilians. All that nanonuclearphysics is just Stalin/FDR type political physics, i.e. you do it or you are shot.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 24, 2020, 03:16:25 AM
So all the other evidence means nothing.
There is no evidence that a-bombs can explode, i.e. billions of uranium atoms fission split in nanoseconds into other atoms + releasing pure energy vaporizing civilians. All that nanonuclearphysics is just Stalin/FDR type political physics, i.e. you do it or you are shot.
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Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on May 24, 2020, 10:26:06 AM
It convinced me that a-bombs do not exist.
So all the other evidence means nothing.
There is no evidence that a-bombs can explode, i.e. billions of uranium atoms fission split in nanoseconds into other atoms + releasing pure energy vaporizing civilians. All that nanonuclearphysics is just Stalin/FDR type political physics, i.e. you do it or you are shot.
as a eye witness to starfish prime how do you explain the flash that was seen in Hawaii.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 24, 2020, 11:05:12 AM
It convinced me that a-bombs do not exist.
So all the other evidence means nothing.
There is no evidence that a-bombs can explode, i.e. billions of uranium atoms fission split in nanoseconds into other atoms + releasing pure energy vaporizing civilians. All that nanonuclearphysics is just Stalin/FDR type political physics, i.e. you do it or you are shot.
as a eye witness to starfish prime how do you explain the flash that was seen in Hawaii.
They saw a flash at Hawaii. What was the weather Hawaii? Thunder? That explains it. Clear sky? And a flash in the night. OK, it couldn't have been a nuclear flash far away up in the sky as it only last one nanosecond. Explosive fission/fusion is very, very, very fast. Maybe it was a thunder flash from out of sea? Or US Navy fireworks?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on May 24, 2020, 12:41:17 PM
It convinced me that a-bombs do not exist.
So all the other evidence means nothing.
There is no evidence that a-bombs can explode, i.e. billions of uranium atoms fission split in nanoseconds into other atoms + releasing pure energy vaporizing civilians. All that nanonuclearphysics is just Stalin/FDR type political physics, i.e. you do it or you are shot.
as a eye witness to starfish prime how do you explain the flash that was seen in Hawaii.
They saw a flash at Hawaii. What was the weather Hawaii? Thunder? That explains it. Clear sky? And a flash in the night. OK, it couldn't have been a nuclear flash far away up in the sky as it only last one nanosecond. Explosive fission/fusion is very, very, very fast. Maybe it was a thunder flash from out of sea? Or US Navy fireworks?
Clear skies some scattered clouds, Lightning flashes are very localized witch are not sufficient to turn off street lights and the flash lasted longer than a few seconds. the flash was like full day light at noon but brighter more like the flash of a camera all over.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 24, 2020, 09:50:34 PM
It convinced me that a-bombs do not exist.
So all the other evidence means nothing.
There is no evidence that a-bombs can explode, i.e. billions of uranium atoms fission split in nanoseconds into other atoms + releasing pure energy vaporizing civilians. All that nanonuclearphysics is just Stalin/FDR type political physics, i.e. you do it or you are shot.
as a eye witness to starfish prime how do you explain the flash that was seen in Hawaii.
They saw a flash at Hawaii. What was the weather Hawaii? Thunder? That explains it. Clear sky? And a flash in the night. OK, it couldn't have been a nuclear flash far away up in the sky as it only last one nanosecond. Explosive fission/fusion is very, very, very fast. Maybe it was a thunder flash from out of sea? Or US Navy fireworks?
Clear skies some scattered clouds, Lightning flashes are very localized witch are not sufficient to turn off street lights and the flash lasted longer than a few seconds. the flash was like full day light at noon but brighter more like the flash of a camera all over.
Well, any a or h-bomb flash only lasts a nano-second and do not turn off street lights. And flashes do not last a few seconds. I once was in charge of the lighting of an amateur theater ...
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on May 24, 2020, 10:46:25 PM
It convinced me that a-bombs do not exist.
So all the other evidence means nothing.
There is no evidence that a-bombs can explode, i.e. billions of uranium atoms fission split in nanoseconds into other atoms + releasing pure energy vaporizing civilians. All that nanonuclearphysics is just Stalin/FDR type political physics, i.e. you do it or you are shot.
as a eye witness to starfish prime how do you explain the flash that was seen in Hawaii.
They saw a flash at Hawaii. What was the weather Hawaii? Thunder? That explains it. Clear sky? And a flash in the night. OK, it couldn't have been a nuclear flash far away up in the sky as it only last one nanosecond. Explosive fission/fusion is very, very, very fast. Maybe it was a thunder flash from out of sea? Or US Navy fireworks?
Clear skies some scattered clouds, Lightning flashes are very localized witch are not sufficient to turn off street lights and the flash lasted longer than a few seconds. the flash was like full day light at noon but brighter more like the flash of a camera all over.
Well, any a or h-bomb flash only lasts a nano-second and do not turn off street lights. And flashes do not last a few seconds. I once was in charge of the lighting of an amateur theater ...
As I was a witness you cannot tell me what I saw or what I didn't see, the street lights went out and came back on flickering.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 24, 2020, 11:37:41 PM
It convinced me that a-bombs do not exist.
So all the other evidence means nothing.
There is no evidence that a-bombs can explode, i.e. billions of uranium atoms fission split in nanoseconds into other atoms + releasing pure energy vaporizing civilians. All that nanonuclearphysics is just Stalin/FDR type political physics, i.e. you do it or you are shot.
as a eye witness to starfish prime how do you explain the flash that was seen in Hawaii.
They saw a flash at Hawaii. What was the weather Hawaii? Thunder? That explains it. Clear sky? And a flash in the night. OK, it couldn't have been a nuclear flash far away up in the sky as it only last one nanosecond. Explosive fission/fusion is very, very, very fast. Maybe it was a thunder flash from out of sea? Or US Navy fireworks?
Clear skies some scattered clouds, Lightning flashes are very localized witch are not sufficient to turn off street lights and the flash lasted longer than a few seconds. the flash was like full day light at noon but brighter more like the flash of a camera all over.
Well, any a or h-bomb flash only lasts a nano-second and do not turn off street lights. And flashes do not last a few seconds. I once was in charge of the lighting of an amateur theater ...
As I was a witness you cannot tell me what I saw or what I didn't see, the street lights went out and came back on flickering.
A-bombs do not switch off and on street lights. They vaporize them if they work, which they don't. I assume someone at the town electric light company was fooling you.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 25, 2020, 08:33:59 AM
Well, any a or h-bomb flash only lasts a nano-second and do not turn off street lights. And flashes do not last a few seconds. I once was in charge of the lighting of an amateur theater ...
Did your theater use atomic bombs for lighting?  Also, electromagnetic pulses can turn off streetlights, as well as most other electric and electronic devices.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: frenat on May 25, 2020, 08:39:09 AM
Well, any a or h-bomb flash only lasts a nano-second and do not turn off street lights. And flashes do not last a few seconds. I once was in charge of the lighting of an amateur theater ...
Did your theater use atomic bombs for lighting?  Also, electromagnetic pulses can turn off streetlights, as well as most other electric and electronic devices.

He wouldn't know about electromagnetic pulses. That would have required actual research.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 25, 2020, 09:44:43 AM
Well, any a or h-bomb flash only lasts a nano-second and do not turn off street lights. And flashes do not last a few seconds. I once was in charge of the lighting of an amateur theater ...
Did your theater use atomic bombs for lighting?  Also, electromagnetic pulses can turn off streetlights, as well as most other electric and electronic devices.
The Yokohama Amateur Dramatic Club had two shows/year (May/December) since late 1800 and I assisted 1972/6. It was fun. Lighting was electric. Old members didn't observe any electromagnetic pulses August 1945. Another incident was when I was on top of a tall ladder adjusting the ceiling spot lights for the show, when there was an earthquake and everyone evacuated the building leaving me alone at the top of the swinging ladder.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 25, 2020, 10:03:35 AM
Well, any a or h-bomb flash only lasts a nano-second and do not turn off street lights. And flashes do not last a few seconds. I once was in charge of the lighting of an amateur theater ...
Did your theater use atomic bombs for lighting?  Also, electromagnetic pulses can turn off streetlights, as well as most other electric and electronic devices.
The Yokohama Amateur Dramatic Club had two shows/year (May/December) since late 1800 and I assisted 1972/6. It was fun. Lighting was electric. Old members didn't observe any electromagnetic pulses August 1945.
Why would you expect them to?  It's not as if an EMP has an infinite range.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 25, 2020, 12:30:15 PM
Well, any a or h-bomb flash only lasts a nano-second and do not turn off street lights. And flashes do not last a few seconds. I once was in charge of the lighting of an amateur theater ...
Did your theater use atomic bombs for lighting?  Also, electromagnetic pulses can turn off streetlights, as well as most other electric and electronic devices.
The Yokohama Amateur Dramatic Club had two shows/year (May/December) since late 1800 and I assisted 1972/6. It was fun. Lighting was electric. Old members didn't observe any electromagnetic pulses August 1945.
Why would you expect them to?  It's not as if an EMP has an infinite range.
That EMP was Fake News in the 1950's. Much more fun is the fake news about two Americans flying up into space this week! http://heiwaco.com/moontravel3.htm . They are testing a new spacecraft designed by a champion of Fake News. Guess who? He sells cars too!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on May 25, 2020, 01:46:24 PM
It convinced me that a-bombs do not exist.
So all the other evidence means nothing.
There is no evidence that a-bombs can explode...

No CGI back then.

(https://i.imgur.com/t381Qeo.gif)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on May 25, 2020, 03:23:26 PM
Well, any a or h-bomb flash only lasts a nano-second and do not turn off street lights. And flashes do not last a few seconds. I once was in charge of the lighting of an amateur theater ...
Did your theater use atomic bombs for lighting?  Also, electromagnetic pulses can turn off streetlights, as well as most other electric and electronic devices.
The Yokohama Amateur Dramatic Club had two shows/year (May/December) since late 1800 and I assisted 1972/6. It was fun. Lighting was electric. Old members didn't observe any electromagnetic pulses August 1945.
Why would you expect them to?  It's not as if an EMP has an infinite range.
That EMP was Fake News in the 1950's. Much more fun is the fake news about two Americans flying up into space this week! http://heiwaco.com/moontravel3.htm . They are testing a new spacecraft designed by a champion of Fake News. Guess who? He sells cars too!
yes and time will tell.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 25, 2020, 04:26:17 PM
That EMP was Fake News in the 1950's.
Are you saying that intense pulses of electromagnetic radiation didn't exist in the 1950s? ???

Much more fun is the fake news about two Americans flying up into space this week! They are testing a new spacecraft designed by a champion of Fake News. Guess who? He sells cars too!
Irrelevant and off topic.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 25, 2020, 05:33:20 PM
That EMP was Fake News in the 1950's.
Are you saying that intense pulses of electromagnetic radiation didn't exist in the 1950s? ???

Much more fun is the fake news about two Americans flying up into space this week! They are testing a new spacecraft designed by a champion of Fake News. Guess who? He sells cars too!
Irrelevant and off topic.
Heiwa claims that everything he can't understand is fake news. Need I say more?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 25, 2020, 06:47:09 PM
That EMP was Fake News in the 1950's.
Are you saying that intense pulses of electromagnetic radiation didn't exist in the 1950s? ???

Much more fun is the fake news about two Americans flying up into space this week! They are testing a new spacecraft designed by a champion of Fake News. Guess who? He sells cars too!
Irrelevant and off topic.
No, I only say that the correct definition of nuclear nanophysics is the physics of structures and artefacts with dimensions in the nanometer range or of phenomena occurring at the speed of light in nanoseconds. ... Nuclear nano-science and nuclear nanotechnology are all about relating and exploiting phenomena for materials having one, two or three dimensions reduced to the nano-scale, where atoms fission at the speed of light. If explosive fission exists and causes a FLASH, the FLASH will only last less than a nano-second. Footage of alleged nuclear explosions taking many seconds is just footage of gunpowder or thermite pyrotechnic composition of metal powder explosions with associated smoke, etc. Nuclear fission doesn’t produce any smoke.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on May 25, 2020, 07:17:38 PM
Nuclear fission doesn’t produce any smoke.

"In the case of explosions where the less dense hot air is centralized, this "shooting through" of the less dense hot air through the more dense colder surrounding air, occurs at a centralized point. The interactions of these gases causes the mushroom shape to form."

https://interestingengineering.com/what-creates-the-mushroom-cloud-when-an-atomic-bomb-blows-up
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 25, 2020, 07:37:00 PM
If explosive fission exists and causes a FLASH, the FLASH will only last less than a nano-second.
Where did you drag that from? The slow neutrons from 235U have a velocity of only a few 1000 m/s.
The fission process in "explosive fission" lasts roughly 1 microsecond not 1 ns.

Quote from: Heiwa
Footage of alleged nuclear explosions taking many seconds is just footage of gunpowder or thermite pyrotechnic composition of metal powder explosions with associated smoke, etc. Nuclear fission doesn’t produce any smoke.
Rubbish! The mushroom cloud is mainly condensed water vapour with some dust and smoke from the ground.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 25, 2020, 07:38:53 PM
Nuclear fission doesn’t produce any smoke.

"In the case of explosions where the less dense hot air is centralized, this "shooting through" of the less dense hot air through the more dense colder surrounding air, occurs at a centralized point. The interactions of these gases causes the mushroom shape to form."

https://interestingengineering.com/what-creates-the-mushroom-cloud-when-an-atomic-bomb-blows-up
Se what I mean by:
Heiwa claims that everything he can't understand is fake news.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 26, 2020, 12:07:28 AM
If explosive fission exists and causes a FLASH, the FLASH will only last less than a nano-second.
Where did you drag that from? The slow neutrons from 235U have a velocity of only a few 1000 m/s.
The fission process in "explosive fission" lasts roughly 1 microsecond not 1 ns.

Quote from: Heiwa
Footage of alleged nuclear explosions taking many seconds is just footage of gunpowder or thermite pyrotechnic composition of metal powder explosions with associated smoke, etc. Nuclear fission doesn’t produce any smoke.
Rubbish! The mushroom cloud is mainly condensed water vapour with some dust and smoke from the ground.
OK, the FLASH in the sky lasted a microsecond, which is the time for all uranium or plutonium atoms in the bomb to fission and release pure hot and high pressure energy in a shock wave.
The energy then flies away in all directions. The energy hitting ground below vaporizes everything there – civilians, buildings, nature – which becomes smoke and forms a mushroom cloud … but no crater. But plenty of witnesses on the ground at Hiroshima and Nagasaki observing the FLASH in the sky above them survived being hit by the shock wave, which is magic. Just visit the peace museums at Hiroshima and Nagasaki and have a laugh about it. Truman, Stimson and MacArthur got away with the hoax using drastic measures in Japan. Interesting story how easy it is to fool people with Fake News.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 26, 2020, 12:21:14 AM
Nuclear fission doesn’t produce any smoke.

"In the case of explosions where the less dense hot air is centralized, this "shooting through" of the less dense hot air through the more dense colder surrounding air, occurs at a centralized point. The interactions of these gases causes the mushroom shape to form."

https://interestingengineering.com/what-creates-the-mushroom-cloud-when-an-atomic-bomb-blows-up
OK, just look at the photo of the alleged underwater a-bomb explosion at 30 meters depth taken from a nearby beach. There are plenty ships anchored out there, where the bomb goes off. So all the water and fish above the explosion is ejected straight up in the sky but the water at the side remains in place. Not even a wave is made. This photo has been proven a fake many times.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 26, 2020, 12:35:56 AM
If explosive fission exists and causes a FLASH, the FLASH will only last less than a nano-second.
Where did you drag that from? The slow neutrons from 235U have a velocity of only a few 1000 m/s.
The fission process in "explosive fission" lasts roughly 1 microsecond not 1 ns.

Quote from: Heiwa
Footage of alleged nuclear explosions taking many seconds is just footage of gunpowder or thermite pyrotechnic composition of metal powder explosions with associated smoke, etc. Nuclear fission doesn’t produce any smoke.
Rubbish! The mushroom cloud is mainly condensed water vapour with some dust and smoke from the ground.
OK, the FLASH in the sky lasted a microsecond, which is the time for all uranium or plutonium atoms in the bomb to fission and release pure hot and high pressure energy in a shock wave.
Where did you get that from? I never said "the FLASH in the sky lasted a microsecond".
You just keep making up fairy tales to suit the occasion.

But you never learn! Here look at this from 3 weeks ago:
An atomic bomb explosion in air is just a FLASH that lasts a nano-second + mushroom cloud and has nothing in common with an earthquake.
Where do you this trash about "An atomic bomb explosion in air is just a FLASH that lasts a nano-second".

Have a look at these extremely high speed photographs!
Quote
Ultra-Fast Nuclear Detonation Pictures (http://10-nanosecond long images taken 1 millisecond after various nuclear explosions)
10-nanosecond long images taken 1 millisecond after various nuclear explosions

Most of the following images were taken using Rapatronic cameras, ultra-high speed, single-frame cameras developed in the 1940s by Dr. Harold Edgerton. The duration of the exposure is typically 10 nanoseconds (0.00000001 of a second.

(http://www.waynesthisandthat.com/images/abomb8.jpg)

This image captures two common elements: the spikes (called "rope tricks") and an uneven surface shape.

At this stage of the detonation the surface of the fireball has a temperature of 20,000 degrees, three times hotter than the sun's surface. At such temperatures the amount of thermal radiation (light) given off is so enormous anything it touches is vaporized ahead of the expanding fireball. The three spikes in this image result from the guide wires supporting the tower on which the bomb was located absorbing enough heat to turn into light emitting plasma. Because thermal radiation travels faster than the fireball, the spikes extend out ahead of it.

(http://www.waynesthisandthat.com/images/abomb7.jpg)

The support tower in the image above provides a convenient size scale. Most of the above images capture the fireball when it is 100 feet in diameter, typically 0.001 seconds after the control operator pressed the "fire" button.

(http://www.waynesthisandthat.com/images/abomb13.jpg)

The image above was taken 25 milliseconds later than the others and shows the fireball expanded to 300 feet in diameter, the size of a football field. Instead of a sphere, the fireball has become large enough so that its bottom is in contact with the earth. The even, light grey ring near the bottom of the smooth fireball (more properly called a firedome in this case) is the convolution of the shock wave from the fireball and the reflection of that shock wave from the surface of the earth. This doubly-enhanced shock wave is the area of maximum destructive force, as shown by the expanding ring of rubble below it.
So much for your ridiculous "An atomic bomb explosion in air is just a FLASH that lasts a nano-second"!

Even after 25 ms the expanding fireball is only 300 feet in diameter.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 26, 2020, 12:57:53 AM


No CGI back then.

(https://i.imgur.com/t381Qeo.gif)
Really?
Maybe just clouds that hold formation against the magical blast then.
It all depends on what you want to grasp as CGI of those days. Overlays and what not would be a good start for them in those days.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 26, 2020, 01:48:57 AM


No CGI back then.

(https://i.imgur.com/t381Qeo.gif)
Really?
Maybe just clouds that hold formation against the magical blast then.
It all depends on what you want to grasp as CGI of those days. Overlays and what not would be a good start for them in those days.
And all the ships on the water surface around the water stem with crew watching the show don't heave, pitch or roll. The alleged a-bomb was 30 meters below the surface. But no sand is pushed out sideways to come up on surface outside the water stem. It is not easy to do trick film.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on May 26, 2020, 02:44:45 PM


No CGI back then.

(https://i.imgur.com/t381Qeo.gif)
Really?
Maybe just clouds that hold formation against the magical blast then.
It all depends on what you want to grasp as CGI of those days. Overlays and what not would be a good start for them in those days.

Overlays? What are those?

The far simpler conclusion is that it is simply an atomic explosion.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 26, 2020, 02:47:48 PM


No CGI back then.

(https://i.imgur.com/t381Qeo.gif)
Really?
Maybe just clouds that hold formation against the magical blast then.
It all depends on what you want to grasp as CGI of those days. Overlays and what not would be a good start for them in those days.
And all the ships on the water surface around the water stem with crew watching the show don't heave, pitch or roll. The alleged a-bomb was 30 meters below the surface. But no sand is pushed out sideways to come up on surface outside the water stem. It is not easy to do trick film.
It beggars belief that people believe this is legitimate film of an atomic detonation.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 26, 2020, 02:49:49 PM


No CGI back then.

(https://i.imgur.com/t381Qeo.gif)
Really?
Maybe just clouds that hold formation against the magical blast then.
It all depends on what you want to grasp as CGI of those days. Overlays and what not would be a good start for them in those days.

Overlays? What are those?

The far simpler conclusion is that it is simply an atomic explosion.
It is far simpler to just go with the mainstream flow. The narrative. The mass handed opinion on what you're told.
It is much simpler.
But to be true to one's self, it's much more logical to see it for what it is, which is....... BULL CRAP.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on May 26, 2020, 02:53:09 PM


No CGI back then.

(https://i.imgur.com/t381Qeo.gif)
Really?
Maybe just clouds that hold formation against the magical blast then.
It all depends on what you want to grasp as CGI of those days. Overlays and what not would be a good start for them in those days.
And all the ships on the water surface around the water stem with crew watching the show don't heave, pitch or roll. The alleged a-bomb was 30 meters below the surface. But no sand is pushed out sideways to come up on surface outside the water stem. It is not easy to do trick film.

Per usual you assumptions are misguided and incorrect.

"The results of this test were incredible - more than ten vessels were sunk, while the landing craft from which the bomb hung was melted by the high temperatures, disappearing without a trace. The U.S.S. Arkansas, a battleship boasting tremendous WWII combat credentials, was thrust up in the air by the massive burst of water shot forth from the ocean before making a vertical descent and sinking to the seafloor. An instant after the explosion waves measuring over 20 meters in height rose from the area surrounding Bikini Atoll, quickly covering all nearby islands."

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on May 26, 2020, 02:55:41 PM


No CGI back then.

(https://i.imgur.com/t381Qeo.gif)
Really?
Maybe just clouds that hold formation against the magical blast then.
It all depends on what you want to grasp as CGI of those days. Overlays and what not would be a good start for them in those days.

Overlays? What are those?

The far simpler conclusion is that it is simply an atomic explosion.
It is far simpler to just go with the mainstream flow. The narrative. The mass handed opinion on what you're told.
It is much simpler.
But to be true to one's self, it's much more logical to see it for what it is, which is....... BULL CRAP.

Muster up some evidence and you may have a leg to stand on. In the absence of evidence, I'm afraid you have nothing.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 26, 2020, 02:58:31 PM


Muster up some evidence and you may have a leg to stand on. In the absence of evidence, I'm afraid you have nothing.
The evidence is right there in the picture and I have zero need to muster up anything else to people like you.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on May 26, 2020, 03:07:42 PM


Muster up some evidence and you may have a leg to stand on. In the absence of evidence, I'm afraid you have nothing.
The evidence is right there in the picture and I have zero need to muster up anything else to people like you.

Correct, the evidence is right there in the picture: A nuclear bomb test captured on film in July, 1946 at Bikini Atoll in the Pacific. There's tons written about it as well as tons of footage and witnesses of the event.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 26, 2020, 05:34:00 PM


No CGI back then.

(https://i.imgur.com/t381Qeo.gif)
Really?
Maybe just clouds that hold formation against the magical blast then.
It all depends on what you want to grasp as CGI of those days. Overlays and what not would be a good start for them in those days.
And all the ships on the water surface around the water stem with crew watching the show don't heave, pitch or roll. The alleged a-bomb was 30 meters below the surface. But no sand is pushed out sideways to come up on surface outside the water stem. It is not easy to do trick film.

Per usual you assumptions are misguided and incorrect.

"The results of this test were incredible - more than ten vessels were sunk, while the landing craft from which the bomb hung was melted by the high temperatures, disappearing without a trace. The U.S.S. Arkansas, a battleship boasting tremendous WWII combat credentials, was thrust up in the air by the massive burst of water shot forth from the ocean before making a vertical descent and sinking to the seafloor. An instant after the explosion waves measuring over 20 meters in height rose from the area surrounding Bikini Atoll, quickly covering all nearby islands."
Sounds terrible ... but there is no evidence of any tsunami wave, sunk ships, dead fish, sea floor mud displaced, adjacent islands flooded , e.g. photos. 
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 26, 2020, 05:37:46 PM


No CGI back then.

(https://i.imgur.com/t381Qeo.gif)
Really?
Maybe just clouds that hold formation against the magical blast then.
It all depends on what you want to grasp as CGI of those days. Overlays and what not would be a good start for them in those days.
And all the ships on the water surface around the water stem with crew watching the show don't heave, pitch or roll. The alleged a-bomb was 30 meters below the surface. But no sand is pushed out sideways to come up on surface outside the water stem. It is not easy to do trick film.
It beggars belief that people believe this is legitimate film of an atomic detonation.
Then what do you think that a legitimate film of an atomic explosion should look like?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on May 26, 2020, 05:40:22 PM


No CGI back then.

(https://i.imgur.com/t381Qeo.gif)
Really?
Maybe just clouds that hold formation against the magical blast then.
It all depends on what you want to grasp as CGI of those days. Overlays and what not would be a good start for them in those days.
And all the ships on the water surface around the water stem with crew watching the show don't heave, pitch or roll. The alleged a-bomb was 30 meters below the surface. But no sand is pushed out sideways to come up on surface outside the water stem. It is not easy to do trick film.

Per usual you assumptions are misguided and incorrect.

"The results of this test were incredible - more than ten vessels were sunk, while the landing craft from which the bomb hung was melted by the high temperatures, disappearing without a trace. The U.S.S. Arkansas, a battleship boasting tremendous WWII combat credentials, was thrust up in the air by the massive burst of water shot forth from the ocean before making a vertical descent and sinking to the seafloor. An instant after the explosion waves measuring over 20 meters in height rose from the area surrounding Bikini Atoll, quickly covering all nearby islands."
Sounds terrible ... but there is no evidence of any tsunami wave, sunk ships, dead fish, sea floor mud displaced, adjacent islands flooded , e.g. photos.

What good would any evidence do if you will simply call it fake like with the video? Why should anyone bother to look up anything if you are going to outright claim it's made up?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 26, 2020, 06:50:57 PM
What good would any evidence do if you will simply call it fake like with the video? Why should anyone bother to look up anything if you are going to outright claim it's made up?
Heiwa is a conspiratard who refuses to believe anything he can't understand but is so inept that he understands nothing other that his own brilliance :o.

Does that explain it?
The only useful thing about Heiwa is that looking all this stuff up we learn a lot - otherwise he's a total waste of time.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 26, 2020, 09:59:33 PM


No CGI back then.

(https://i.imgur.com/t381Qeo.gif)
Really?
Maybe just clouds that hold formation against the magical blast then.
It all depends on what you want to grasp as CGI of those days. Overlays and what not would be a good start for them in those days.
And all the ships on the water surface around the water stem with crew watching the show don't heave, pitch or roll. The alleged a-bomb was 30 meters below the surface. But no sand is pushed out sideways to come up on surface outside the water stem. It is not easy to do trick film.
It beggars belief that people believe this is legitimate film of an atomic detonation.
Then what do you think that a legitimate film of an atomic explosion should look like?
Easy, just look at photos and films of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and compare with films of Yokohama, Nagoya and Tokyo all bombed 1945 (+55 other towns). They all are all the same. Wooden/paper houses burnt down (by napalm) while concrete/brick buildings are intact. Steel bridges are not damaged while wooden bridges are. Etc, etc.
The a-bomb explosions were just Fake News to allow Japan to quickly surrender looked after by general D MacArthur and his buddy Hirohito. MacArthur and a Mr. Henry Lewis Stimson had recommended economic warfare against Japan already in the 1920's to get a war started and they had success when FDR became president. They all worked for the military industrial complex. The Manhattan project was run by Stimson that stole billions from tax payers. No a-bombs have ever been built in the USA! This Los Alamos, NM, place has never done any serious work. It is all propaganda since 1942. Only the ski slopes were appreciated by a certain Dane.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on May 26, 2020, 10:28:11 PM


No CGI back then.

(https://i.imgur.com/t381Qeo.gif)
Really?
Maybe just clouds that hold formation against the magical blast then.
It all depends on what you want to grasp as CGI of those days. Overlays and what not would be a good start for them in those days.
And all the ships on the water surface around the water stem with crew watching the show don't heave, pitch or roll. The alleged a-bomb was 30 meters below the surface. But no sand is pushed out sideways to come up on surface outside the water stem. It is not easy to do trick film.

Per usual you assumptions are misguided and incorrect.

"The results of this test were incredible - more than ten vessels were sunk, while the landing craft from which the bomb hung was melted by the high temperatures, disappearing without a trace. The U.S.S. Arkansas, a battleship boasting tremendous WWII combat credentials, was thrust up in the air by the massive burst of water shot forth from the ocean before making a vertical descent and sinking to the seafloor. An instant after the explosion waves measuring over 20 meters in height rose from the area surrounding Bikini Atoll, quickly covering all nearby islands."
Sounds terrible ... but there is no evidence of any tsunami wave, sunk ships, dead fish, sea floor mud displaced, adjacent islands flooded , e.g. photos.

Untrue. Damage to the USS Independence from the Baker test blast:

(https://www.b-29s-over-korea.com/NAVY-Photos-III/images/A-Bomb%20blast%20damage%20to%20Independence%20Bikini%201946.jpg)

More damage:

(https://www.warhistoryonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/USS_Independence_CVL-22_burning-640x417.png)
(https://www.warhistoryonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/5367436867_13163d8a88_b-640x466.jpg)
(https://www.warhistoryonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/tumblr_l3phcr5Pnf1qzsgg9o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 26, 2020, 11:52:51 PM


Muster up some evidence and you may have a leg to stand on. In the absence of evidence, I'm afraid you have nothing.
The evidence is right there in the picture and I have zero need to muster up anything else to people like you.

Correct, the evidence is right there in the picture: A nuclear bomb test captured on film in July, 1946 at Bikini Atoll in the Pacific. There's tons written about it as well as tons of footage and witnesses of the event.
I refuse to believe you're that naive.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 26, 2020, 11:54:26 PM

Then what do you think that a legitimate film of an atomic explosion should look like?
Hard to tell because there's never been such an event, as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 27, 2020, 12:01:08 AM


What good would any evidence do if you will simply call it fake like with the video? Why should anyone bother to look up anything if you are going to outright claim it's made up?
Look up something credible and not fake looking...but do it with the knowledge that you can honestly say of it being a reality.
You and others are of acceptance that this is all legit and yet you have zero proof of it.
Those who are arguing against it being legit also have zero proof of nuclear being fake, so in this case it's all down to scrutinising what's given out and this is where we differ, with only your side being given a higher pedestal due to mass belief in a storyline.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on May 27, 2020, 12:38:16 AM
...with only your side being given a higher pedestal due to mass belief in a storyline.

The highest pedestal is granted to those with overwhelming evidence; experimental, video, eyewitness accounts, etc. The lower pedestal is granted to those who have zero evidence such as yourself.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 27, 2020, 09:53:44 AM
...with only your side being given a higher pedestal due to mass belief in a storyline.

The highest pedestal is granted to those with overwhelming evidence; experimental, video, eyewitness accounts, etc. The lower pedestal is granted to those who have zero evidence such as yourself.
I am an eyewitness with plenty evidence! 1964 I talked to a Nobel Prize winner, MS, that had been asked by the Swedish government to build an a-bomb 1945. MS agreed and informed that all should be public. Not possible! All had to be 100% secret, bla, bla, bla. MS recommended that I did something else. So I went to Japan 1972/6 building seagoing oil tankers. I met people from Hiroshima and Nagasaki telling me how their towns and shipyards were napalm bombed 1945. No a-bombs. And then a ship of mine was repaired at Mombasa, Kenya, 1999. In the hotel bar I met a nice girl that (later) told me her father working for Wismut AG had helped Stalin build his fake a-bomb 1946/58 with uranium mined in Saxony! The latter info I checked in situ 1999-2016. No a-bomb uranium was mined in East Germany 1946/91. It was just communist propaganda supported by USA!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 27, 2020, 12:12:11 PM
Then what do you think that a legitimate film of an atomic explosion should look like?
Easy...
Oh, does this mean that you're actually going to answer my question?

...just look at photos and films of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and compare with films of Yokohama, Nagoya and Tokyo all bombed 1945 (+55 other towns). They all are all the same. Wooden/paper houses burnt down (by napalm) while concrete/brick buildings are intact. Steel bridges are not damaged while wooden bridges are. Etc, etc.
The a-bomb explosions were just Fake News to allow Japan to quickly surrender looked after by general D MacArthur and his buddy Hirohito. MacArthur and a Mr. Henry Lewis Stimson had recommended economic warfare against Japan already in the 1920's to get a war started and they had success when FDR became president. They all worked for the military industrial complex. The Manhattan project was run by Stimson that stole billions from tax payers. No a-bombs have ever been built in the USA! This Los Alamos, NM, place has never done any serious work. It is all propaganda since 1942. Only the ski slopes were appreciated by a certain Dane.
No, I guess not.

Anders, why do you have so much trouble answering simple questions?   I don't care about fire bombing or conventional blasts.

Let me ask again:  What should a real atomic blast look like?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 27, 2020, 12:13:41 PM

Then what do you think that a legitimate film of an atomic explosion should look like?
Hard to tell because there's never been such an event, as far as I'm concerned.
Then how would you know it if one was to happen?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 27, 2020, 12:20:17 PM
...with only your side being given a higher pedestal due to mass belief in a storyline.

The highest pedestal is granted to those with overwhelming evidence; experimental, video, eyewitness accounts, etc. The lower pedestal is granted to those who have zero evidence such as yourself.
No.
The highest pedestal is given to those who have the authority to tell the stories which ordinary everyday people swallow and accept and the only evidence required is evidence that no ordinary person gets to see......including you, unless you want to show me any evidence that is irrefutable.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 27, 2020, 12:23:40 PM

Then what do you think that a legitimate film of an atomic explosion should look like?
Hard to tell because there's never been such an event, as far as I'm concerned.
Then how would you know it if one was to happen?
If one was to happen I'd know it by what we're told about it.
If that doesn't happen and cannot be observed by myself then there's simply no real evidence for the reality of them.
Including for yourself, if you're honest.
You are reliant on following the narrative and that's about it...don't you agree? And if not, why not?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on May 27, 2020, 01:13:46 PM
...with only your side being given a higher pedestal due to mass belief in a storyline.

The highest pedestal is granted to those with overwhelming evidence; experimental, video, eyewitness accounts, etc. The lower pedestal is granted to those who have zero evidence such as yourself.
No.
The highest pedestal is given to those who have the authority to tell the stories which ordinary everyday people swallow and accept and the only evidence required is evidence that no ordinary person gets to see......including you, unless you want to show me any evidence that is irrefutable.

Do you have to have personal access to everything in order to believe anything is real? For instance, you believe there is a dome over the earth and the sun is a projection from some crystals and such buried in a hole at the north pole. Have you personally had access to and verified those two physical things?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 27, 2020, 01:28:01 PM

Then what do you think that a legitimate film of an atomic explosion should look like?
Hard to tell because there's never been such an event, as far as I'm concerned.
Then how would you know it if one was to happen?
If one was to happen I'd know it by what we're told about it.
But you have been told about it.  You just chose not to believe what you were told.  What would you have to hear to change your mind?

If that doesn't happen and cannot be observed by myself then there's simply no real evidence for the reality of them.
Not true.  There are countless people (including many civilians) who have personally witnessed atomic and nuclear blasts.  Residual radiation can hang around for many years.  Seismic recording stations pick up the rumblings of such blasts when they happen.  In fact, that's how the US confirmed North Korea's nuclear test claims.

Including for yourself, if you're honest.
You are reliant on following the narrative and that's about it...don't you agree? And if not, why not?
So what?  I understand that there are lots of real things that l that I will never get a chance to personally observe, and I think that you do too.  For example, neither you or I will ever get a chance to go to the bottom of the Marianas trench, but we can chose to believe or disbelieve the few videos and the people who say that they have been there.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 27, 2020, 05:08:32 PM
Then what do you think that a legitimate film of an atomic explosion should look like?
Easy...
Oh, does this mean that you're actually going to answer my question?

...just look at photos and films of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and compare with films of Yokohama, Nagoya and Tokyo all bombed 1945 (+55 other towns). They all are all the same. Wooden/paper houses burnt down (by napalm) while concrete/brick buildings are intact. Steel bridges are not damaged while wooden bridges are. Etc, etc.
The a-bomb explosions were just Fake News to allow Japan to quickly surrender looked after by general D MacArthur and his buddy Hirohito. MacArthur and a Mr. Henry Lewis Stimson had recommended economic warfare against Japan already in the 1920's to get a war started and they had success when FDR became president. They all worked for the military industrial complex. The Manhattan project was run by Stimson that stole billions from tax payers. No a-bombs have ever been built in the USA! This Los Alamos, NM, place has never done any serious work. It is all propaganda since 1942. Only the ski slopes were appreciated by a certain Dane.
No, I guess not.

Anders, why do you have so much trouble answering simple questions?   I don't care about fire bombing or conventional blasts.

Let me ask again:  What should a real atomic blast look like?
Thanks for asking.
Explosive fission is not possible so an atomic blast is not possible.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 27, 2020, 07:23:28 PM
Explosive fission is not possible so an atomic blast is not possible.
Incorrect!
Just because YOU cannot understand "explosive fission" does not mean that "an atomic blast is not possible".
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 27, 2020, 10:17:25 PM
Explosive fission is not possible so an atomic blast is not possible.
Incorrect!
Just because YOU cannot understand "explosive fission" does not mean that "an atomic blast is not possible".
Just show explosive fission in a laboratory, e.g. that a million uranium atoms fission in a nano-second, and we can discuss. I fully agree that normal fission exists inside, e.g. nuclear power plants, but explosive fission inside an a-bomb is just propaganda.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 28, 2020, 12:43:41 AM
Explosive fission is not possible so an atomic blast is not possible.
Incorrect!
Just because YOU cannot understand "explosive fission" does not mean that "an atomic blast is not possible".
Just show explosive fission in a laboratory, e.g. that a million uranium atoms fission in a nano-second, and we can discuss. I fully agree that normal fission exists inside, e.g. nuclear power plants, but explosive fission inside an a-bomb is just propaganda.
As you know very well and have been told numerous times "a million uranium atoms" cannot cause an explosive fission.

At least a critical mass is needed to simply sustain fission though that critical mass can be modified.
For an isolated sphere of 235U the critical mass is about 52 kg.
If the sphere of 235U is enclosed in a neutron reflector the critical mass is reduced to about 15 kg.

Neither of those will cause explosive fission without a suitable initiator to start the fission fast enough.

Surely aren't as ignorant of these things as you make out.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 28, 2020, 02:25:16 AM
Explosive fission is not possible so an atomic blast is not possible.
Incorrect!
Just because YOU cannot understand "explosive fission" does not mean that "an atomic blast is not possible".
Just show explosive fission in a laboratory, e.g. that a million uranium atoms fission in a nano-second, and we can discuss. I fully agree that normal fission exists inside, e.g. nuclear power plants, but explosive fission inside an a-bomb is just propaganda.
As you know very well and have been told numerous times "a million uranium atoms" cannot cause an explosive fission.

At least a critical mass is needed to simply sustain fission though that critical mass can be modified.
For an isolated sphere of 235U the critical mass is about 52 kg.
If the sphere of 235U is enclosed in a neutron reflector the critical mass is reduced to about 15 kg.

Neither of those will cause explosive fission without a suitable initiator to start the fission fast enough.

Surely aren't as ignorant of these things as you make out.
I know all what you say. Fact however remains that no minimum size critical size mass of any matter has ever produced explosive fission in a laboratory anywhere under scientific control 1945-2020. Nobody has been able to confirm the 1945 US claims of explosive fission. All was/is top secret! No peer review ever. Only clowns give interviews to media. Etc, etc. Only 'evidence' of explosive fission is photos of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, etc. which show no evidence of any explosive fission. Aha! Some Soviet scientists confirmed the US claims 1949. If not they would have been shot. But today is 2020 ...
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 28, 2020, 03:12:17 AM
I know all what you say. Fact however remains that no minimum size critical size mass of any matter has ever produced explosive fission in a laboratory anywhere under scientific control 1945-2020.
Of course nobody has produce "explosive fission in a laboratory anywhere"!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on May 28, 2020, 09:43:42 AM
I know all what you say. Fact however remains that no minimum size critical size mass of any matter has ever produced explosive fission in a laboratory anywhere under scientific control 1945-2020. Nobody has been able to confirm the 1945 US claims of explosive fission. All was/is top secret! No peer review ever. Only clowns give interviews to media. Etc, etc. Only 'evidence' of explosive fission is photos of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, etc. which show no evidence of any explosive fission. Aha! Some Soviet scientists confirmed the US claims 1949. If not they would have been shot. But today is 2020 ...

Nobody has detonated 10 tons of TNT on their desk in a lab either.

Nobody has crashed a Jet airliner into their lab bench.

Nobody tested the strength of an object by driving a Mack truck at full speed through the wall of their laboratory and into their desk.

Nobody has put the business end of an Atlas rocket on their desk and looked into it when it fires.

Of course nobody is going to set off a nuclear explosion inside a lab. It's insane to even suggest it, or shows a very deep flawed understanding of how nuclear explosions work. I suspect both.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 28, 2020, 10:43:34 AM
I know all what you say. Fact however remains that no minimum size critical size mass of any matter has ever produced explosive fission in a laboratory anywhere under scientific control 1945-2020. Nobody has been able to confirm the 1945 US claims of explosive fission. All was/is top secret! No peer review ever. Only clowns give interviews to media. Etc, etc. Only 'evidence' of explosive fission is photos of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, etc. which show no evidence of any explosive fission. Aha! Some Soviet scientists confirmed the US claims 1949. If not they would have been shot. But today is 2020 ...

Nobody has detonated 10 tons of TNT on their desk in a lab either.

Nobody has crashed a Jet airliner into their lab bench.

Nobody tested the strength of an object by driving a Mack truck at full speed through the wall of their laboratory and into their desk.

Nobody has put the business end of an Atlas rocket on their desk and looked into it when it fires.

Of course nobody is going to set off a nuclear explosion inside a lab. It's insane to even suggest it, or shows a very deep flawed understanding of how nuclear explosions work. I suspect both.
Sorry, intelligent, sound, normal people like me test new things in laboratories, etc. to avoid hurting people. Only criminals do it otherwise in secret locations, etc.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on May 28, 2020, 10:47:06 AM
I know all what you say. Fact however remains that no minimum size critical size mass of any matter has ever produced explosive fission in a laboratory anywhere under scientific control 1945-2020. Nobody has been able to confirm the 1945 US claims of explosive fission. All was/is top secret! No peer review ever. Only clowns give interviews to media. Etc, etc. Only 'evidence' of explosive fission is photos of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, etc. which show no evidence of any explosive fission. Aha! Some Soviet scientists confirmed the US claims 1949. If not they would have been shot. But today is 2020 ...

Nobody has detonated 10 tons of TNT on their desk in a lab either.

Nobody has crashed a Jet airliner into their lab bench.

Nobody tested the strength of an object by driving a Mack truck at full speed through the wall of their laboratory and into their desk.

Nobody has put the business end of an Atlas rocket on their desk and looked into it when it fires.

Of course nobody is going to set off a nuclear explosion inside a lab. It's insane to even suggest it, or shows a very deep flawed understanding of how nuclear explosions work. I suspect both.
Sorry, intelligent, sound, normal people like me test new things in laboratories, etc. to avoid hurting people. Only criminals do it otherwise in secret locations, etc.

Sorry, intelligent, sound, normal people do not set off nuclear explosions in laboratories to avoid hurting people.  ::)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 28, 2020, 11:37:20 AM


Do you have to have personal access to everything in order to believe anything is real? For instance, you believe there is a dome over the earth and the sun is a projection from some crystals and such buried in a hole at the north pole. Have you personally had access to and verified those two physical things?
It doesn't matter what I believe.
You do not know for sure that nuclear bombs, exist.
You are happy to accept they do because you are happy to follow mass opinion that was garnered through storylines by so called authoritative people.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 28, 2020, 11:46:57 AM

Then what do you think that a legitimate film of an atomic explosion should look like?
Hard to tell because there's never been such an event, as far as I'm concerned.
Then how would you know it if one was to happen?
If one was to happen I'd know it by what we're told about it.
But you have been told about it.  You just chose not to believe what you were told.  What would you have to hear to change your mind?
Yes, I have been told about it and also shown video of what I'm supposed to believe is a nuclear reality.
What I haven't done is to witness anything like that, so when I do I'll accept and believe it and until then, I won't.

You simply accept it and believe it without actually knowing it to be a reality.

If that doesn't happen and cannot be observed by myself then there's simply no real evidence for the reality of them.
Not true.  There are countless people (including many civilians) who have personally witnessed atomic and nuclear blasts.  Residual radiation can hang around for many years.  Seismic recording stations pick up the rumblings of such blasts when they happen.  In fact, that's how the US confirmed North Korea's nuclear test claims.
And this is the storyline you adhere to.
Did King Arthur pull a sword from a stone?

Including for yourself, if you're honest.
You are reliant on following the narrative and that's about it...don't you agree? And if not, why not?
So what?  I understand that there are lots of real things that l that I will never get a chance to personally observe, and I think that you do too.
Of course.
I won't get to observe many many things that are told to be a truth. And this is where we differ.
I work from a mindset of, believe nothing and question everything.
I can accept many things without believing them if I personally cannot verify them.


  For example, neither you or I will ever get a chance to go to the bottom of the Marianas trench, but we can chose to believe or disbelieve the few videos and the people who say that they have been there.
I think logic is enough to dictate the trench is impossible for human travel but you accept it or believe it because you trust the storylines, even though that storyline was told and sold by a film maker.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on May 28, 2020, 12:09:13 PM


Do you have to have personal access to everything in order to believe anything is real? For instance, you believe there is a dome over the earth and the sun is a projection from some crystals and such buried in a hole at the north pole. Have you personally had access to and verified those two physical things?
It doesn't matter what I believe.
You do not know for sure that nuclear bombs, exist.
You are happy to accept they do because you are happy to follow mass opinion that was garnered through storylines by so called authoritative people.

I know that there is a tremendous amount of evidence that nuclear weapons do exist. From eyewitnesses to video and everything inbetween.

There is zero evidence for a dome over the earth and a sun as a projection from some carbonite crystals and such buried in a hole at the north pole. Yet, you believe that without ever having witnessed it yourself nor any other human ever having observed these things. So I don't understand your contradiction.

On the one hand you dismiss something that has mountains of evidence, yet on the other, fully embrace things that have zero evidence. Have you ever applied your own logic to your belief systems? Like since you can't verify a dome and carbonite sun and no one else has in the history of humanity that perhaps they don't exist?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 28, 2020, 12:35:46 PM


Do you have to have personal access to everything in order to believe anything is real? For instance, you believe there is a dome over the earth and the sun is a projection from some crystals and such buried in a hole at the north pole. Have you personally had access to and verified those two physical things?
It doesn't matter what I believe.
You do not know for sure that nuclear bombs, exist.
You are happy to accept they do because you are happy to follow mass opinion that was garnered through storylines by so called authoritative people.

I know that there is a tremendous amount of evidence that nuclear weapons do exist. From eyewitnesses to video and everything inbetween.
There's a tremendous amount of evidence that Santa exists. Does he exist?


There is zero evidence for a dome over the earth and a sun as a projection from some carbonite crystals and such buried in a hole at the north pole. Yet, you believe that without ever having witnessed it yourself nor any other human ever having observed these things. So I don't understand your contradiction.
I'm not asking you to believe my thoughts. I'm being asked.......no.....told to believe in nuclear bombs by authority and peer pressure.


On the one hand you dismiss something that has mountains of evidence, yet on the other, fully embrace things that have zero evidence.
And yet you dismiss something that has mountains of evidence, in Santa. Right?

Have you ever applied your own logic to your belief systems? Like since you can't verify a dome and carbonite sun and no one else has in the history of humanity that perhaps they don't exist?
If you or anyone else doesn't believe they exist then they don't exist.
I certainly don't believe in a spinning ball we supposedly walk upon, so I have to try and work out what it is we are existing as part of and this is where I'm at.

When I start telling you it's official, then you can have a real go at me...but not before you prove the world you believe you're living on.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 28, 2020, 12:45:18 PM
Sorry, intelligent, sound, normal people like me test new things in laboratories, etc. to avoid hurting people.
But they did test the bombs in laboratories.  It just so happens that those particular laboratories were remote locations to avoid hurting people, just like intelligent, sound, normal people would set up.

Only criminals do it otherwise in secret locations, etc.
The fact that we know that many of those tests occurred at Bikini Atoll and the Nevada test sites proves that they are not secret locations.  Again, there were plenty of tourists who went to Las Vegas to watch the test blasts, so it's kinda hard to keep a location like that a secret.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on May 28, 2020, 12:50:25 PM


Do you have to have personal access to everything in order to believe anything is real? For instance, you believe there is a dome over the earth and the sun is a projection from some crystals and such buried in a hole at the north pole. Have you personally had access to and verified those two physical things?
It doesn't matter what I believe.
You do not know for sure that nuclear bombs, exist.
You are happy to accept they do because you are happy to follow mass opinion that was garnered through storylines by so called authoritative people.

I know that there is a tremendous amount of evidence that nuclear weapons do exist. From eyewitnesses to video and everything inbetween.
There's a tremendous amount of evidence that Santa exists. Does he exist?

Uh. Citation needed, for Santa.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on May 28, 2020, 12:53:25 PM


Do you have to have personal access to everything in order to believe anything is real? For instance, you believe there is a dome over the earth and the sun is a projection from some crystals and such buried in a hole at the north pole. Have you personally had access to and verified those two physical things?
It doesn't matter what I believe.
You do not know for sure that nuclear bombs, exist.
You are happy to accept they do because you are happy to follow mass opinion that was garnered through storylines by so called authoritative people.

I know that there is a tremendous amount of evidence that nuclear weapons do exist. From eyewitnesses to video and everything inbetween.
There's a tremendous amount of evidence that Santa exists. Does he exist?


There is zero evidence for a dome over the earth and a sun as a projection from some carbonite crystals and such buried in a hole at the north pole. Yet, you believe that without ever having witnessed it yourself nor any other human ever having observed these things. So I don't understand your contradiction.
I'm not asking you to believe my thoughts. I'm being asked.......no.....told to believe in nuclear bombs by authority and peer pressure.


On the one hand you dismiss something that has mountains of evidence, yet on the other, fully embrace things that have zero evidence.
And yet you dismiss something that has mountains of evidence, in Santa. Right?

Have you ever applied your own logic to your belief systems? Like since you can't verify a dome and carbonite sun and no one else has in the history of humanity that perhaps they don't exist?
If you or anyone else doesn't believe they exist then they don't exist.
I certainly don't believe in a spinning ball we supposedly walk upon, so I have to try and work out what it is we are existing as part of and this is where I'm at.

When I start telling you it's official, then you can have a real go at me...but not before you prove the world you believe you're living on.

Well I'm was eyewitness to starfish prime, we that help you?
I was 12 at the time and saw the flash.
It was long enough to  cause the street lights to go out across the valley
then thy flickered back on.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 28, 2020, 12:55:35 PM
Did King Arthur pull a sword from a stone?
Perhaps another area where we differ is the ability to tell the difference between folk tales and science.

  For example, neither you or I will ever get a chance to go to the bottom of the Marianas trench, but we can chose to believe or disbelieve the few videos and the people who say that they have been there.
I think logic is enough to dictate the trench is impossible for human travel but you accept it or believe it because you trust the storylines, even though that storyline was told and sold by a film maker.
What logic dictates that it's impossible?  Are you saying that it's an engineering problem that can't be solved with enough money and resources?  BTW, the filmmaker wasn't the first one to reach the bottom.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 28, 2020, 12:57:18 PM
There's a tremendous amount of evidence that Santa exists. Does he exist?
Yes, in the hearts of true believers. ;)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on May 28, 2020, 02:08:17 PM


Do you have to have personal access to everything in order to believe anything is real? For instance, you believe there is a dome over the earth and the sun is a projection from some crystals and such buried in a hole at the north pole. Have you personally had access to and verified those two physical things?
It doesn't matter what I believe.
You do not know for sure that nuclear bombs, exist.
You are happy to accept they do because you are happy to follow mass opinion that was garnered through storylines by so called authoritative people.

I know that there is a tremendous amount of evidence that nuclear weapons do exist. From eyewitnesses to video and everything inbetween.
There's a tremendous amount of evidence that Santa exists. Does he exist?

I am unaware of any evidence that shows that Santa exists. Just like you, me and the rest of humanity are unaware of any evidence revealing a domed earth with a carbonite projecting sun at the north pole. Now if I'm mistaken and you do have some evidence of Santa and a domed carbonite projecting sun earth, do lay it on us.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 28, 2020, 11:17:48 PM
Sorry, intelligent, sound, normal people like me test new things in laboratories, etc. to avoid hurting people.
But they did test the bombs in laboratories.  It just so happens that those particular laboratories were remote locations to avoid hurting people, just like intelligent, sound, normal people would set up.


There has never been any confirmation or test of explosive fission in a laboratory. All laboratory work was done at Los Alamos, NM, 1942/5 between skiing.
A full scale test was done further south but it was just TNT being blown up.
 It seems you have to do it in a remote, secret location.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 28, 2020, 11:20:50 PM
Only criminals do it otherwise in secret locations, etc.
The fact that we know that many of those tests occurred at Bikini Atoll and the Nevada test sites proves that they are not secret locations.  Again, there were plenty of tourists who went to Las Vegas to watch the test blasts, so it's kinda hard to keep a location like that a secret.
You know that tests occurred at Bikini Atoll and the Nevada test sites? Maybe you heard about it from someone but it does not convince me.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 29, 2020, 12:12:49 AM

Well I'm was eyewitness to starfish prime, we that help you?
I was 12 at the time and saw the flash.
It was long enough to  cause the street lights to go out across the valley
then thy flickered back on.
It doesn't help one iota.
You have no clue what that was....you're just told what it was supposed to be.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 29, 2020, 12:19:30 AM
Did King Arthur pull a sword from a stone?
Perhaps another area where we differ is the ability to tell the difference between folk tales and science.
Yep...maybe.....BUT.....it all depends on who's listening to folk tales and believing it's science.
I believe nothing and question everything, so the folk tales become listening leisure not a belief system without back up.


  For example, neither you or I will ever get a chance to go to the bottom of the Marianas trench, but we can chose to believe or disbelieve the few videos and the people who say that they have been there.
I think logic is enough to dictate the trench is impossible for human travel but you accept it or believe it because you trust the storylines, even though that storyline was told and sold by a film maker.
What logic dictates that it's impossible?
Are you saying that it's an engineering problem that can't be solved with enough money and resources?
Definitely an engineering problem as it stands...as well as no proof of any trench.


BTW, the filmmaker wasn't the first one to reach the bottom.
Really?
Who else supposedly reached the bottom, seeing as you're telling me about it?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 29, 2020, 12:22:13 AM
There's a tremendous amount of evidence that Santa exists. Does he exist?
Yes, in the hearts of true believers. ;)
Yep.....kids, mainly.....but likely a good few adults who refuse to let go.

The issue becomes....do you believe in Santa?.....And......Did you believe in Santa......And....what changed your mind?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 29, 2020, 12:27:06 AM


I am unaware of any evidence that shows that Santa exists. Just like you, me and the rest of humanity are unaware of any evidence revealing a domed earth with a carbonite projecting sun at the north pole. Now if I'm mistaken and you do have some evidence of Santa and a domed carbonite projecting sun earth, do lay it on us.
There's plenty of evidence on TV that Santa exists just as there is for nuclear bombs and a spinning globe....etc.

The major issue is in understanding which of them are physically verified as being real, rather than a reliance on TV, papers and word of mouth, evidence.

It seems none of us are privy to what the reality is but many people seem to accept whatever is told to be their reality, without physical verification...and this is key.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 29, 2020, 04:35:34 AM
Christmases 1973/4 I was dressed up as Santa for the Scandinavian community in Yokohama/Japan. I moved around in my old Toyota car. I have forgotten the model. I visited plenty Scandinavian children's homes, whose parents insisted I had to have a drink to carry on and all went well. Plenty Japanese in cars and on pavements observed my show and gave me directions to return home and sober up.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on May 29, 2020, 06:01:44 AM
While Santa Claus as known today is not real, the origins of Santa Claus is based on the life and actions of a real person.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 29, 2020, 06:18:19 AM
There has never been any confirmation or test of explosive fission in a laboratory. All laboratory work was done at Los Alamos, NM, 1942/5 between skiing.
I suppose that it depends on how you define "laboratory".  I see no reason why the Nevada Test Site and Bikini Atoll can't be considered laboratories if experiments were performed there.

You know that tests occurred at Bikini Atoll and the Nevada test sites? Maybe you heard about it from someone but it does not convince me.
Why am I not surprised? ::)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 29, 2020, 06:24:44 AM
I believe nothing and question everything...
Do you believe that there are people who are smarter than you?

BTW, the filmmaker wasn't the first one to reach the bottom.
Really?
Who else supposedly reached the bottom, seeing as you're telling me about it?
You can read about it here:
https://geology.com/records/bathyscaphe-trieste.shtml
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on May 29, 2020, 09:07:14 AM

Well I'm was eyewitness to starfish prime, we that help you?
I was 12 at the time and saw the flash.
It was long enough to  cause the street lights to go out across the valley
then thy flickered back on.
It doesn't help one iota.
You have no clue what that was....you're just told what it was supposed to be.
you have no alternative way to produce such a flash.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 29, 2020, 09:19:40 AM
I believe nothing and question everything...
Do you believe that there are people who are smarter than you?
What does that even mean and in what terms?
Is an inventor from home smarter than a university schooled diploma achiever?
Is a bricklayer smarter than a carpenter?
Is a psychologist smarter than a sociologist?

The list is almost endless...but what does smarter actually mean?


BTW, the filmmaker wasn't the first one to reach the bottom.
Really?
Who else supposedly reached the bottom, seeing as you're telling me about it?
You can read about it here:
https://geology.com/records/bathyscaphe-trieste.shtml
And this is what I'm talking about.
You believe this without knowing it to be a truth and feel no need to question it.
It is nonsense to me and will always be nonsense until there's real proof of it happening.

The same goes for Cameron.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 29, 2020, 09:20:53 AM

Well I'm was eyewitness to starfish prime, we that help you?
I was 12 at the time and saw the flash.
It was long enough to  cause the street lights to go out across the valley
then thy flickered back on.
It doesn't help one iota.
You have no clue what that was....you're just told what it was supposed to be.
you have no alternative way to produce such a flash.
Lightning can produce one hell of a flash.
You simply do not know what caused the flash, except to be told it was a nuclear bomb.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 29, 2020, 09:34:41 AM
I believe nothing and question everything...
Do you believe that there are people who are smarter than you?
What does that even mean and in what terms?
Is an inventor from home smarter than a university schooled diploma achiever?
Is a bricklayer smarter than a carpenter?
Is a psychologist smarter than a sociologist?

The list is almost endless...but what does smarter actually mean?
It means that sometimes you have to trust people who know things that you don't know.

BTW, the filmmaker wasn't the first one to reach the bottom.
Really?
Who else supposedly reached the bottom, seeing as you're telling me about it?
You can read about it here:
https://geology.com/records/bathyscaphe-trieste.shtml
And this is what I'm talking about.
You believe this without knowing it to be a truth and feel no need to question it.
It is nonsense to me and will always be nonsense until there's real proof of it happening.

The same goes for Cameron.
Again, it boils down to what "real proof" would you accept?  People do incredible things and go to exotic places all the time.  Do you deny all such claims?  Remember that there is a difference between doubt and denial.

Most people have never completed a marathon, but I say that I've completed 6 of them.  Do you believe me or do I need to prove it?  If so, then what proof would you accept? 
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 29, 2020, 06:00:06 PM
Well, my friends at Hiroshima and Nagasaki never observed a FLASH. The towns were simply destroyed by napalm carpet bombings 1945. Just look at all photos of the towns afterwards. Typical napalm carpet bombings. Like Dresden/Saxony February 1945.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 29, 2020, 06:48:30 PM
Well, my friends at Hiroshima and Nagasaki never observed a FLASH. The towns were simply destroyed by napalm carpet bombings 1945. Just look at all photos of the towns afterwards. Typical napalm carpet bombings. Like Dresden/Saxony February 1945.
Did your friends at Hiroshima and Nagasaki say anything about the hundreds of bombers that fire bombed them?  You know, like Dresden/Saxony?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 29, 2020, 08:14:02 PM
Well, my friends at Hiroshima and Nagasaki never observed a FLASH. The towns were simply destroyed by napalm carpet bombings 1945. Just look at all photos of the towns afterwards. Typical napalm carpet bombings. Like Dresden/Saxony February 1945.
Did your friends at Hiroshima and Nagasaki say anything about the hundreds of bombers that fire bombed them?  You know, like Dresden/Saxony?
50! The towns are pretty small you know. It took less than an hour to burn them down.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on May 30, 2020, 02:22:32 AM
Well, my friends at Hiroshima and Nagasaki never observed a FLASH. The towns were simply destroyed by napalm carpet bombings 1945. Just look at all photos of the towns afterwards. Typical napalm carpet bombings. Like Dresden/Saxony February 1945.
Did your friends at Hiroshima and Nagasaki say anything about the hundreds of bombers that fire bombed them?  You know, like Dresden/Saxony?
50! The towns are pretty small you know. It took less than an hour to burn them down.

There's no evidence I can find that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were fire-bombed. I would think there would be some.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 30, 2020, 02:48:22 AM
Well, my friends at Hiroshima and Nagasaki never observed a FLASH. The towns were simply destroyed by napalm carpet bombings 1945. Just look at all photos of the towns afterwards. Typical napalm carpet bombings. Like Dresden/Saxony February 1945.
Did your friends at Hiroshima and Nagasaki say anything about the hundreds of bombers that fire bombed them?  You know, like Dresden/Saxony?
50! The towns are pretty small you know. It took less than an hour to burn them down.

There's no evidence I can find that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were fire-bombed. I would think there would be some.
Just check your sources.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on May 30, 2020, 02:57:44 AM
Well, my friends at Hiroshima and Nagasaki never observed a FLASH. The towns were simply destroyed by napalm carpet bombings 1945. Just look at all photos of the towns afterwards. Typical napalm carpet bombings. Like Dresden/Saxony February 1945.
Did your friends at Hiroshima and Nagasaki say anything about the hundreds of bombers that fire bombed them?  You know, like Dresden/Saxony?
50! The towns are pretty small you know. It took less than an hour to burn them down.

There's no evidence I can find that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were fire-bombed. I would think there would be some.
Just check your sources.

I did because I was curious. I didn’t find anything. I don’t think you have anything either.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 30, 2020, 03:16:28 AM
Well, my friends at Hiroshima and Nagasaki never observed a FLASH. The towns were simply destroyed by napalm carpet bombings 1945. Just look at all photos of the towns afterwards. Typical napalm carpet bombings. Like Dresden/Saxony February 1945.
Did your friends at Hiroshima and Nagasaki say anything about the hundreds of bombers that fire bombed them?  You know, like Dresden/Saxony?
50! The towns are pretty small you know. It took less than an hour to burn them down.

There's no evidence I can find that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were fire-bombed. I would think there would be some.
Just check your sources.

I did because I was curious. I didn’t find anything. I don’t think you have anything either.
I only talked 1973/4 to some people from Hiroshima/Nagasaki that survived the bombings 1945. No FLASHES! I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/abomb1.htm .
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 30, 2020, 04:01:27 PM
I did because I was curious. I didn’t find anything. I don’t think you have anything either.
I only talked 1973/4 to some people from Hiroshima/Nagasaki that survived the bombings 1945. No FLASHES! I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/abomb1.htm .
Don't you mean that you try to deceive people "more at http://heiwaco.com/abomb1.htm"?
And at http://heiwaco.com/ you try to deceive people on all sorts of topics that you can't understand.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 30, 2020, 05:24:50 PM
I did because I was curious. I didn’t find anything. I don’t think you have anything either.
I only talked 1973/4 to some people from Hiroshima/Nagasaki that survived the bombings 1945. No FLASHES! I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/abomb1.htm .
Don't you mean that you try to deceive people "more at http://heiwaco.com/abomb1.htm"?
And at http://heiwaco.com/ you try to deceive people on all sorts of topics that you can't understand.
Thanks for asking. At my website I present my findings with evidence under my own name. Nothing is secret. Some of my scientific papers have been peer reviewed. Everything is easy to verify.
My best finding is that double hull is not the best solution for oil tankers as most collision damages occur only above waterline, etc. The US Department of Homeland Security/USCG thinks that most collision damages are located below waterline down at the bilge (20 meters depth for a VLCC), etc, etc.
Another finding of mine is that structures do not collapse from top down by gravity 911-style and becomes dust. I have been invited to US institutions of high learning to explain it but FBI or CIA stopped it.
Re topic I have proven that nuclear bombs do not exist, at least Russian communist ones. They were propaganda 1949 and same today thank to Vladimir Putin, Russian president. He started his career at KGB Dresden/Saxony where USSR got its fake Uranium. I describe it at my website.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 30, 2020, 08:02:59 PM
I did because I was curious. I didn’t find anything. I don’t think you have anything either.
I only talked 1973/4 to some people from Hiroshima/Nagasaki that survived the bombings 1945. No FLASHES! I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/abomb1.htm .
Don't you mean that you try to deceive people "more at http://heiwaco.com/abomb1.htm"?
And at http://heiwaco.com/ you try to deceive people on all sorts of topics that you can't understand.
Thanks for asking.
At my website I present my findings with evidence under my own name. Nothing is secret. Some of my scientific papers have been peer reviewed. Everything is easy to verify.
My best finding is that double hull is not the best solution for oil tankers as most collision damages occur only above waterline, etc. The US Department of Homeland Security/USCG thinks that most collision damages are located below waterline down at the bilge (20 meters depth for a VLCC), etc, etc.
I won't question your expertise on maritime safety. I'll leave that to others.

Quote from: Heiwa
Another finding of mine is that structures do not collapse from top down by gravity 911-style and becomes dust. I have been invited to US institutions of high learning to explain it but FBI or CIA stopped it.
What a joke! Why would the FBI or CIA be interested in the rubbish you claim?
But I do wonder why you were turfed out of the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. Were your conspiracy ideas to rich for even them.
Quote from: tfk, Illuminator
International Skeptics Forum » 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Heiwa drummed out of AE911T? (http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253936)

Wow, how bad do you have to go from "Petitioner of the Month" to "hit the road, Jack" by AE911T?

It appears that Anders has been shown the door at Gage's group.

Disclosure: I say "appears" because I have no idea where or when this happened.

However I see no reason to believe that this was initiated by Bjorkman. I suspect that Anders own nonsense at his Tripod site (i.e., all photos & videos showing planes impacting towers are fake, a-bombs don't work & shuttle flights, Mars landers & Apollo missions are all NASA hoaxes) was too much even for Gage.
Quote from: Heiwa
Re topic I have proven that nuclear bombs do not exist, at least Russian communist ones.
You've proven nothing of the sort.

Quote from: Heiwa
They were propaganda 1949 and same today thank to Vladimir Putin, Russian president. He started his career at KGB Dresden/Saxony where USSR got its fake Uranium. I describe it at my website.
I'd believe reports like this before you any day because anyone can go there, to this day, and verify it for themselves.

Quote from: Knight-Ridder News Service
(https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1991-01-06-1991006034-story.html)
Radon blamed for thousands of German deaths
 
SCHNEEBERG, Germany -- Hans Haeussler dreamed of becoming a schoolteacher, but World War II got in the way. In 1942 he was drafted right out of high school into the Wehrmacht to fight for Nazi Germany. After the German defeat, he spent four years as a prisoner of war in the Soviet Union.

Finally, in 1950, he returned to his home in the Erzgebirge, the "ore mountains" of Saxony in Soviet-occupied East Germany, hoping to pursue his goal. Instead, Mr. Haeussler and almost every other able-bodied man in the region were forced by the Soviets to work in the mines.

The Erzgebirge had been a source of mineral wealth, particularly silver, for centuries. But the Soviets were not after silver.

They were after uranium.

In their rush to catch up with the U.S. nuclear weapons program, the Soviets mined quickly and with no regard for safety. Over the next four decades, they took about 220,000 tons of uranium from the mountains, in partial payment of Germany's war reparations.

But the Germans who lived in the Erzgebirge paid in a more personal way: Hans Haeussler, for one, died of lung cancer in August 1988, shortly before his 64th birthday.

His cancer is believed to have been caused by radon given off by uranium dust, making Mr. Haeussler one of the 5,100 people who have died in the region as a result of the Soviet Union's frantic Cold War push for uranium.

Even now, hundreds of thousands of Germans continue to be endangered. The landscape for miles around Schneeberg is marked with giant mounds of rubble from uranium mining, much of it giving off radioactive radon.

German officials estimate that 465 square miles are contaminated.

"Not even the Nazis dared to mine the uranium from these mountains because they knew that it would destroy the people and the landscape here," the minister at Mr. Haeussler's church, the Rev. Andreas Krusche, said bitterly. "The Russians did it at the expense of the local population."

The minister is a leader of an environmental group named "Pechblende" -- the German word for pitchblende or uraninite, the black, opaque ore from which "yellowcake" for bombs was processed.

"The Americans had the atomic bomb. The Russians wanted the bomb as quickly as possible," he said. "As a result, we are all victims of the Cold War."

There are more than 3,000 piles of uranium rubble scattered in a belt from the city of Gera in the state of Thuringia to Dresden in Saxony. Some are more than 300 feet high, and on one of the rare clear days in the region, they can be seen from miles away.

Tests have found radon levels ranging from 40 to 400 times above the standard of 250 becquerels per cubic meter that Germany considers safe. (A becquerel, a unit for measuring radioactive decay, is the number of atoms that disintegrate per second.)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on May 30, 2020, 08:11:41 PM
Well, my friends at Hiroshima and Nagasaki never observed a FLASH. The towns were simply destroyed by napalm carpet bombings 1945. Just look at all photos of the towns afterwards. Typical napalm carpet bombings. Like Dresden/Saxony February 1945.
Did your friends at Hiroshima and Nagasaki say anything about the hundreds of bombers that fire bombed them?  You know, like Dresden/Saxony?
50! The towns are pretty small you know. It took less than an hour to burn them down.

There's no evidence I can find that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were fire-bombed. I would think there would be some.
Just check your sources.

I did because I was curious. I didn’t find anything. I don’t think you have anything either.
I only talked 1973/4 to some people from Hiroshima/Nagasaki that survived the bombings 1945. No FLASHES! I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/abomb1.htm .

I went through your site. There's no evidence there. Just you proclaiming that you don't like this or that. Ex., you don't seem to be happy with MacArthur's daily routine/work schedule during the occupation. Which for the life of me I can't figure out why that's even remotely relevant even to your non-argument. So yeah, you have no evidence.

I did find this fun and creepy - For your enjoyment:

https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 30, 2020, 11:06:33 PM
Some of my scientific papers have been peer reviewed.
Were any of your "scientific papers" about nuclear bombs?  Who were the peers that reviewed them?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 30, 2020, 11:52:59 PM
Some of my scientific papers have been peer reviewed.
Were any of your "scientific papers" about nuclear bombs?  Who were the peers that reviewed them?
Well, I had a house at Freiberg i.Sa, Germany 2001/16 and I spent time to find the famous Uranium mines of Wismut AG, the Uranium of which Stalin & Co used to build their nuclear bombs. But there were no mines. Only propaganda and lies. Of course some old mines were opened/enlarged by slave workers but the ore there was just used to build local roads with, etc, etc. No Uranium!
My peer reviewed papers are about the safest oil tanker design (no double hull) and why NY WTC skyscrapers cannot globally collapse into dust from top down by gravity. Just visit my site.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 31, 2020, 01:07:03 AM
Some of my scientific papers have been peer reviewed.
Were any of your "scientific papers" about nuclear bombs?  Who were the peers that reviewed them?
Well, I had a house at Freiberg i.Sa, Germany 2001/16 and I spent time to find the famous Uranium mines of Wismut AG, the Uranium of which Stalin & Co used to build their nuclear bombs. But there were no mines.
But where did you look?
The "Ore Mountain Museum, Große Kirchgasse 16, 09456 Annaberg-Buchholz, Germany" isn't very close to Freiberg.
But, knowing you, the first Schnapsbar you found proved too much of a distraction and never got near the Ore Mountains.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 31, 2020, 01:30:04 AM
Some of my scientific papers have been peer reviewed.
Were any of your "scientific papers" about nuclear bombs?  Who were the peers that reviewed them?
Well, I had a house at Freiberg i.Sa, Germany 2001/16 and I spent time to find the famous Uranium mines of Wismut AG, the Uranium of which Stalin & Co used to build their nuclear bombs. But there were no mines.
But where did you look?
The "Ore Mountain Museum, Große Kirchgasse 16, 09456 Annaberg-Buchholz, Germany" isn't very close to Freiberg.
But, knowing you, the first Schnapsbar you found proved too much of a distraction and never got near the Ore Mountains.
I have been to Annaberg many times. It is close to Freiberg i.Sa. It has a nice theater/opera!  Wismut AG had an office there. It was run by communist gangsters!  And no trace of any Uranium to become a nuclear bomb. And no Schnapsbar.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on May 31, 2020, 05:21:41 AM
Some of my scientific papers have been peer reviewed.
Were any of your "scientific papers" about nuclear bombs?  Who were the peers that reviewed them?
Well, I had a house at Freiberg i.Sa, Germany 2001/16 and I spent time to find the famous Uranium mines of Wismut AG, the Uranium of which Stalin & Co used to build their nuclear bombs. But there were no mines.
But where did you look?
The "Ore Mountain Museum, Große Kirchgasse 16, 09456 Annaberg-Buchholz, Germany" isn't very close to Freiberg.
But, knowing you, the first Schnapsbar you found proved too much of a distraction and never got near the Ore Mountains.
I have been to Annaberg many times. It is close to Freiberg i.Sa. It has a nice theater/opera!  Wismut AG had an office there. It was run by communist gangsters!  And no trace of any Uranium to become a nuclear bomb. And no Schnapsbar.
Tough about the Schnapsbar but here is where the mines were:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Wismut_location_map.jpg)

But most, apart from some display mines have been landscaped:
Wismut Landscapes designed and preserved (https://www.bmwi.de/Redaktion/EN/Publikationen/wismut-brochure.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=3).

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Stollnpoehla.jpg)
The main adit of the former Pöhla uranium mine, today a visitor mine
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Adit of the former uranium mine Poehla, Erzgebirge, Germany: the adit is nearly 8 km long and connected to the Sn-Zn-Fe exploration area Haemmerlein (at about 3 km, exploration only, today visitor mine) and the U-Fe mining area Tellerhaeuser at 7 km. Construction of the adit began in 1967, uranium production started in 1983 and ended in 1991.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 31, 2020, 07:05:55 AM
Some of my scientific papers have been peer reviewed.
Were any of your "scientific papers" about nuclear bombs?  Who were the peers that reviewed them?
Well, I had a house at Freiberg i.Sa, Germany 2001/16 and I spent time to find the famous Uranium mines of Wismut AG, the Uranium of which Stalin & Co used to build their nuclear bombs. But there were no mines.
But where did you look?
The "Ore Mountain Museum, Große Kirchgasse 16, 09456 Annaberg-Buchholz, Germany" isn't very close to Freiberg.
But, knowing you, the first Schnapsbar you found proved too much of a distraction and never got near the Ore Mountains.
I have been to Annaberg many times. It is close to Freiberg i.Sa. It has a nice theater/opera!  Wismut AG had an office there. It was run by communist gangsters!  And no trace of any Uranium to become a nuclear bomb. And no Schnapsbar.
Tough about the Schnapsbar but here is where the mines were:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Wismut_location_map.jpg)

But most, apart from some display mines have been landscaped:
Wismut Landscapes designed and preserved (https://www.bmwi.de/Redaktion/EN/Publikationen/wismut-brochure.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=3).

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Stollnpoehla.jpg)
The main adit of the former Pöhla uranium mine, today a visitor mine
Quote
Adit of the former uranium mine Poehla, Erzgebirge, Germany: the adit is nearly 8 km long and connected to the Sn-Zn-Fe exploration area Haemmerlein (at about 3 km, exploration only, today visitor mine) and the U-Fe mining area Tellerhaeuser at 7 km. Construction of the adit began in 1967, uranium production started in 1983 and ended in 1991.
Thanks for the map. I have visited the mines at Freiberg (17), Annaberg (15), Freital (20), Niederpöbel (18), Bärenhecke (19) and others and no sign of any Uranium. Pitchblende/uranite, yes, but it is just an oxide with little uranium. In the old bad times 1945/90 you were shot if you didn’t agree that pitchblende could be used to build an a-bomb.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 31, 2020, 08:28:50 AM
Thanks for the map. I have visited the mines at Freiberg (17), Annaberg (15), Freital (20), Niederpöbel (18), Bärenhecke (19) and others and no sign of any Uranium. Pitchblende/uranite, yes, but it is just an oxide with little uranium.
What were you expecting, pure Uranium straight from the mine?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 31, 2020, 08:36:05 AM
Thanks for the map. I have visited the mines at Freiberg (17), Annaberg (15), Freital (20), Niederpöbel (18), Bärenhecke (19) and others and no sign of any Uranium. Pitchblende/uranite, yes, but it is just an oxide with little uranium.
What were you expecting, pure Uranium straight from the mine?
No, I would at least expect some ore with Uranium in it. But there is none!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 31, 2020, 09:21:27 AM
Thanks for the map. I have visited the mines at Freiberg (17), Annaberg (15), Freital (20), Niederpöbel (18), Bärenhecke (19) and others and no sign of any Uranium. Pitchblende/uranite, yes, but it is just an oxide with little uranium.
What were you expecting, pure Uranium straight from the mine?
No, I would at least expect some ore with Uranium in it. But there is none!
Do you mean ores like pitchblende/uranite?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on May 31, 2020, 02:30:21 PM
This is another repost if an argument.
I guess I will post the same video.

Finding uranium on the ground in Germany at old mines.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 31, 2020, 03:15:51 PM
Yes, there is plenty radioactive material in Erzgebirge but no Uranium to build an a-bomb in USSR.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 31, 2020, 05:50:21 PM
Yes, there is plenty radioactive material in Erzgebirge but no Uranium to build an a-bomb in USSR.
You really don't know anything about mining or refining ore into usable materials, do you?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on May 31, 2020, 10:50:02 PM
Yes, there is plenty radioactive material in Erzgebirge but no Uranium to build an a-bomb in USSR.
You really don't know anything about mining or refining ore into usable materials, do you?
Is that a question?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on June 01, 2020, 04:11:28 AM
Yes, there is plenty radioactive material in Erzgebirge but no Uranium to build an a-bomb in USSR.
You really don't know anything about mining or refining ore into usable materials, do you?
Is that a question?
"?" is a "question mark" and a "question mark" at the end of a sentence is used to indicate that the a sentence is a question.

Didn't you know that ;D?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 01, 2020, 04:21:39 AM
Yes, there is plenty radioactive material in Erzgebirge but no Uranium to build an a-bomb in USSR.
You really don't know anything about mining or refining ore into usable materials, do you?
Is that a question?
"?" is a "question mark" and a "question mark" at the end of a sentence is used to indicate that the a sentence is a question.

Didn't you know that ;D?
Yes. But is the question direct or indirect?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on June 01, 2020, 06:57:17 AM
Yes, there is plenty radioactive material in Erzgebirge but no Uranium to build an a-bomb in USSR.
You really don't know anything about mining or refining ore into usable materials, do you?
Is that a question?
"?" is a "question mark" and a "question mark" at the end of a sentence is used to indicate that the a sentence is a question.

Didn't you know that ;D?
Yes. But is the question direct or indirect?
Maybe it was rhetorical, but who knows?

However, it does go to point out your lack of understanding of mining.  You don't dig for Uranium.  You dig for any number of ores or minerals that contain Uranium and then send that material to be refined into usable Uranium.  So when you say that you did find pitchblende/uranite (Uranium ore) in the mines, but didn't find any Uranium, then you are only proving your ignorance.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on June 01, 2020, 07:53:16 AM
Maybe this will help.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 01, 2020, 08:12:10 AM
Yes, there is plenty radioactive material in Erzgebirge but no Uranium to build an a-bomb in USSR.
You really don't know anything about mining or refining ore into usable materials, do you?
Is that a question?
"?" is a "question mark" and a "question mark" at the end of a sentence is used to indicate that the a sentence is a question.

Didn't you know that ;D?
Yes. But is the question direct or indirect?
Maybe it was rhetorical, but who knows?

However, it does go to point out your lack of understanding of mining.  You don't dig for Uranium.  You dig for any number of ores or minerals that contain Uranium and then send that material to be refined into usable Uranium.  So when you say that you did find pitchblende/uranite (Uranium ore) in the mines, but didn't find any Uranium, then you are only proving your ignorance.
Thanks for clarification. So Wismut AG, Saxony, East Germany slave labor was digging ores that contained Uranium 1946/9 and then sent that material all the way to Siberia, USSR, where it was refined into usable Uranium to become an a-bomb to be tested in Kazacksthan 1949. Yes, I have heard that story many times but it was just communist propaganda.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on June 01, 2020, 08:19:12 AM
Yes, there is plenty radioactive material in Erzgebirge but no Uranium to build an a-bomb in USSR.
You really don't know anything about mining or refining ore into usable materials, do you?
Is that a question?
"?" is a "question mark" and a "question mark" at the end of a sentence is used to indicate that the a sentence is a question.

Didn't you know that ;D?
Yes. But is the question direct or indirect?
Maybe it was rhetorical, but who knows?

However, it does go to point out your lack of understanding of mining.  You don't dig for Uranium.  You dig for any number of ores or minerals that contain Uranium and then send that material to be refined into usable Uranium.  So when you say that you did find pitchblende/uranite (Uranium ore) in the mines, but didn't find any Uranium, then you are only proving your ignorance.
Thanks for clarification. So Wismut AG, Saxony, East Germany slave labor was digging ores that contained Uranium 1946/9 and then sent that material all the way to Siberia, USSR, where it was refined into usable Uranium to become an a-bomb to be tested in Kazacksthan 1949. Yes, I have heard that story many times but it was just communist propaganda.
Yes, everything is communist propaganda.  Even their peaceful nuclear power plants are communist propaganda.  So where do you suppose Russia gets the Uranium for those peaceful nuclear power plants, if they even exist?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 01, 2020, 08:30:12 AM
Yes, there is plenty radioactive material in Erzgebirge but no Uranium to build an a-bomb in USSR.
You really don't know anything about mining or refining ore into usable materials, do you?
Is that a question?
"?" is a "question mark" and a "question mark" at the end of a sentence is used to indicate that the a sentence is a question.

Didn't you know that ;D?
Yes. But is the question direct or indirect?
Maybe it was rhetorical, but who knows?

However, it does go to point out your lack of understanding of mining.  You don't dig for Uranium.  You dig for any number of ores or minerals that contain Uranium and then send that material to be refined into usable Uranium.  So when you say that you did find pitchblende/uranite (Uranium ore) in the mines, but didn't find any Uranium, then you are only proving your ignorance.
Thanks for clarification. So Wismut AG, Saxony, East Germany slave labor was digging ores that contained Uranium 1946/9 and then sent that material all the way to Siberia, USSR, where it was refined into usable Uranium to become an a-bomb to be tested in Kazacksthan 1949. Yes, I have heard that story many times but it was just communist propaganda.iet
Yes, everything is communist propaganda.  Even their peaceful nuclear power plants are communist propaganda.  So where do you suppose Russia gets the Uranium for those peaceful nuclear power plants, if they even exist?
No, no! Russian nuclear power plants exist since the 1960's and all Uranium is locally mined or from Kazacksthan. No Uranium came from Wismut AG in Soviet occupied Germany 1946/91.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on June 01, 2020, 08:40:02 AM
Yes, there is plenty radioactive material in Erzgebirge but no Uranium to build an a-bomb in USSR.
You really don't know anything about mining or refining ore into usable materials, do you?
Is that a question?
"?" is a "question mark" and a "question mark" at the end of a sentence is used to indicate that the a sentence is a question.

Didn't you know that ;D?
Yes. But is the question direct or indirect?
Maybe it was rhetorical, but who knows?

However, it does go to point out your lack of understanding of mining.  You don't dig for Uranium.  You dig for any number of ores or minerals that contain Uranium and then send that material to be refined into usable Uranium.  So when you say that you did find pitchblende/uranite (Uranium ore) in the mines, but didn't find any Uranium, then you are only proving your ignorance.
Thanks for clarification. So Wismut AG, Saxony, East Germany slave labor was digging ores that contained Uranium 1946/9 and then sent that material all the way to Siberia, USSR, where it was refined into usable Uranium to become an a-bomb to be tested in Kazacksthan 1949. Yes, I have heard that story many times but it was just communist propaganda.iet
Yes, everything is communist propaganda.  Even their peaceful nuclear power plants are communist propaganda.  So where do you suppose Russia gets the Uranium for those peaceful nuclear power plants, if they even exist?
No, no! Russian nuclear power plants exist since the 1960's and all Uranium is locally mined or from Kazacksthan. No Uranium came from Wismut AG in Soviet occupied Germany 1946/91.
Are you saying that they mine Uranium ore in Kazakhstan for peaceful nuclear power but they never mined Uranium ore in Germany, even though you admit that Uranium ore was mined there?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 01, 2020, 10:32:22 AM
Yes, there is plenty radioactive material in Erzgebirge but no Uranium to build an a-bomb in USSR.
You really don't know anything about mining or refining ore into usable materials, do you?
Is that a question?
"?" is a "question mark" and a "question mark" at the end of a sentence is used to indicate that the a sentence is a question.

Didn't you know that ;D?
Yes. But is the question direct or indirect?
Maybe it was rhetorical, but who knows?

However, it does go to point out your lack of understanding of mining.  You don't dig for Uranium.  You dig for any number of ores or minerals that contain Uranium and then send that material to be refined into usable Uranium.  So when you say that you did find pitchblende/uranite (Uranium ore) in the mines, but didn't find any Uranium, then you are only proving your ignorance.
Thanks for clarification. So Wismut AG, Saxony, East Germany slave labor was digging ores that contained Uranium 1946/9 and then sent that material all the way to Siberia, USSR, where it was refined into usable Uranium to become an a-bomb to be tested in Kazacksthan 1949. Yes, I have heard that story many times but it was just communist propaganda.iet
Yes, everything is communist propaganda.  Even their peaceful nuclear power plants are communist propaganda.  So where do you suppose Russia gets the Uranium for those peaceful nuclear power plants, if they even exist?
No, no! Russian nuclear power plants exist since the 1960's and all Uranium is locally mined or from Kazacksthan. No Uranium came from Wismut AG in Soviet occupied Germany 1946/91.
Are you saying that they mine Uranium ore in Kazakhstan for peaceful nuclear power but they never mined Uranium ore in Germany, even though you admit that Uranium ore was mined there?
Are you drunk? Or on some drug? Which one? There is no Uranium in Saxony. But if you denied it in the 1940's you were shot. The professors at the Bergakademi, Freiberg, had an easy choice. Yes, Stalin! There is plenty Uranium in the old mines of Saxony!
And yes, there is plenty Uranium in Kazakhstan. Ever been there? My wife had a cousin there. Maybe he was in the mining biz? I forgot to ask him.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on June 01, 2020, 10:39:14 AM
 
Incorrect

Finding uranium on the ground in Germany at old mines.


Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on June 01, 2020, 11:57:25 AM
Are you drunk? Or on some drug? Which one? There is no Uranium in Saxony.
You said that there is pitchblende/uranite in Saxony.  If there is pitchblende/uranite in Saxony, then there is Uranium in Saxony.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 01, 2020, 05:57:29 PM
Are you drunk? Or on some drug? Which one? There is no Uranium in Saxony.
You said that there is pitchblende/uranite in Saxony.  If there is pitchblende/uranite in Saxony, then there is Uranium in Saxony.
Yes, but not enough to build an a-bomb (topic). The Wismut AG Uranium in Saxony is propaganda since 1945 created by Stalin, Beria and Serov ... and Putin. And apparently supported by all US presidents since!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on June 01, 2020, 08:24:10 PM
Are you drunk? Or on some drug? Which one? There is no Uranium in Saxony.
You said that there is pitchblende/uranite in Saxony.  If there is pitchblende/uranite in Saxony, then there is Uranium in Saxony.
Yes, but not enough to build an a-bomb (topic). The Wismut AG Uranium in Saxony is propaganda since 1945 created by Stalin, Beria and Serov ... and Putin. And apparently supported by all US presidents since!

How would you know what is enough? What's your evidence?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 01, 2020, 10:55:30 PM
Are you drunk? Or on some drug? Which one? There is no Uranium in Saxony.
You said that there is pitchblende/uranite in Saxony.  If there is pitchblende/uranite in Saxony, then there is Uranium in Saxony.
Yes, but not enough to build an a-bomb (topic). The Wismut AG Uranium in Saxony is propaganda since 1945 created by Stalin, Beria and Serov ... and Putin. And apparently supported by all US presidents since!

How would you know what is enough? What's your evidence?
1945 Stalin decides he needs an a-bomb to be on par with USA. He knows a-bombs are pure propaganda. He orders Beria to make a fake a-bomb. Beria asks Serov for help. To make a fake a-bomb you need Uranium! Somebody hints there is Uranium at Erzgebirge, Saxony, USSR occupied Germany so Serov created a limited, private company (!) there 1945/7 to mine Uranium. Wismut AG. It was just a slave labor camp, but it sounded good. It was for the PEACE! So fake Uranium ore was mined by Wismut AG and transported to USSR where it became an a-bomb that exploded 1949 in remote Kazachstan. USSR had also managed to initiate explosive fission, that transforms 60 kg of Uranium into 20 000 000 kgs of TNT in an exploding FLASH in a few nano-seconds.
Serov later became head of KGB and employed Vladimir Putin to look after the Wismut AG slave labor camp in the 1980's. Of course the camp was active but no Uranium ore was mined. Maybe some radium stuff? It was used to build roads with. Anyway, anyone smuggling out any ore was shot on the spot. When USSR army left Saxony 1991 Wismut AG was of course closed down. What a story. I describe it at my website.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on June 02, 2020, 12:50:14 AM
How would you know what is enough? What's your evidence?
1945 Stalin decides he needs an a-bomb to be on par with USA. He knows a-bombs are pure propaganda. He orders Beria to make a fake a-bomb. Beria asks Serov for help. To make a fake a-bomb you need Uranium! Somebody hints there is Uranium at Erzgebirge, Saxony, USSR occupied Germany so Serov created a limited, private company (!) there 1945/7 to mine Uranium. Wismut AG. It was just a slave labor camp, but it sounded good. It was for the PEACE! So fake Uranium ore was mined by Wismut AG and transported to USSR where it became an a-bomb that exploded 1949 in remote Kazacksthan. USSR had also managed to initiate explosive fission, that transforms 60 kg of Uranium into 20 000 000 kgs of TNT in an exploding FLASH in a few nano-seconds.
Serov later became head of KGB and employed Vladimir Putin to look after the Wismut AG slave labor camp in the 1980's. Of course the camp was active but no Uranium ore was mined. Maybe some radium stuff? It was used to build roads with. Anyway, anyone smuggling out any ore was shot on the spot. When USSR army left Saxony 1991 Wismut AG was of course closed down. What a story. I describe it at my website.

There's no evidence in there. Just more of your fairy stories.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 02, 2020, 05:32:45 AM
How would you know what is enough? What's your evidence?
1945 Stalin decides he needs an a-bomb to be on par with USA. He knows a-bombs are pure propaganda. He orders Beria to make a fake a-bomb. Beria asks Serov for help. To make a fake a-bomb you need Uranium! Somebody hints there is Uranium at Erzgebirge, Saxony, USSR occupied Germany so Serov created a limited, private company (!) there 1945/7 to mine Uranium. Wismut AG. It was just a slave labor camp, but it sounded good. It was for the PEACE! So fake Uranium ore was mined by Wismut AG and transported to USSR where it became an a-bomb that exploded 1949 in remote Kazacksthan. USSR had also managed to initiate explosive fission, that transforms 60 kg of Uranium into 20 000 000 kgs of TNT in an exploding FLASH in a few nano-seconds.
Serov later became head of KGB and employed Vladimir Putin to look after the Wismut AG slave labor camp in the 1980's. Of course the camp was active but no Uranium ore was mined. Maybe some radium stuff? It was used to build roads with. Anyway, anyone smuggling out any ore was shot on the spot. When USSR army left Saxony 1991 Wismut AG was of course closed down. What a story. I describe it at my website.

There's no evidence in there. Just more of your fairy stories.
You just have to check the archives at Moscow of the USSR a-bomb project and it is all there ... unless Putin has locked it away to keep Trump happy.  I think it is good story. Imagine all those people executed or locked up to keep it secret.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on June 02, 2020, 05:56:42 AM
You just have to check the archives at Moscow of the USSR a-bomb project and it is all there ... unless Putin has locked it away to keep Trump happy.  I think it is good story. Imagine all those people executed or locked up to keep it secret.
Who cares what's in the "archives at Moscow"? the USA, Britain, France, India, Pakistan, China, possibly Israel and now North Korea have nuclear weapons. All but Israel have certainly test-fired a number.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 02, 2020, 06:25:33 AM
You just have to check the archives at Moscow of the USSR a-bomb project and it is all there ... unless Putin has locked it away to keep Trump happy.  I think it is good story. Imagine all those people executed or locked up to keep it secret.
Who cares what's in the "archives at Moscow"? the USA, Britain, France, India, Pakistan, China, possibly Israel and now North Korea have nuclear weapons. All but Israel have certainly test-fired a number.
Thanks that you agree Russia has no nuclear weapons.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Timeisup on June 02, 2020, 03:19:21 PM
You just have to check the archives at Moscow of the USSR a-bomb project and it is all there ... unless Putin has locked it away to keep Trump happy.  I think it is good story. Imagine all those people executed or locked up to keep it secret.
Who cares what's in the "archives at Moscow"? the USA, Britain, France, India, Pakistan, China, possibly Israel and now North Korea have nuclear weapons. All but Israel have certainly test-fired a number.
Thanks that you agree Russia has no nuclear weapons.

Have you told Putin that?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on June 02, 2020, 04:27:21 PM
Who cares what's in the "archives at Moscow"? the USA, Britain, France, India, Pakistan, China, possibly Israel and now North Korea have nuclear weapons. All but Israel have certainly test-fired a number.
Thanks that you agree Russia has no nuclear weapons.
I DID NOT AGREE RUSSIA HAS NO NUCLEAR WEAPONS!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 02, 2020, 11:14:10 PM
You just have to check the archives at Moscow of the USSR a-bomb project and it is all there ... unless Putin has locked it away to keep Trump happy.  I think it is good story. Imagine all those people executed or locked up to keep it secret.
Who cares what's in the "archives at Moscow"? the USA, Britain, France, India, Pakistan, China, possibly Israel and now North Korea have nuclear weapons. All but Israel have certainly test-fired a number.
Thanks that you agree Russia has no nuclear weapons.

Have you told Putin that?
Putin is busy planning his military parade of theater props like fake ICBMs on the Red Square end of this month and the referendum about constitutional changes in July. I like him. First time I was at Leningrad/USSR February 1969 I met a young man looking like Putin in the snowy streets. He fell in love with my jeans and western clothing. He wanted to buy my outfit but had no money. To cheer him up I proposed a change. So in the shadow of the St. Isac cathedral I got his clothes and he mine. He was so happy. I looked like a real poor proletarian and was refused entry to the Astoria d'Angleterre hotel across the street. So don't always believe what you see.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on June 02, 2020, 11:28:48 PM
You just have to check the archives at Moscow of the USSR a-bomb project and it is all there ... unless Putin has locked it away to keep Trump happy.  I think it is good story. Imagine all those people executed or locked up to keep it secret.
Who cares what's in the "archives at Moscow"? the USA, Britain, France, India, Pakistan, China, possibly Israel and now North Korea have nuclear weapons. All but Israel have certainly test-fired a number.
Thanks that you agree Russia has no nuclear weapons.

Have you told Putin that?
Putin is busy planning his military parade of theater props like fake ICBMs on the Red Square end of this month and the referendum about constitutional changes in July. I like him. First time I was at Leningrad/USSR February 1969 I met a young man looking like Putin in the snowy streets. He fell in love with my jeans and western clothing. He wanted to buy my outfit but had no money. To cheer him up I proposed a change. So in the shadow of the St. Isac cathedral I got his clothes and he mine. He was so happy. I looked like a real poor proletarian and was refused entry to the Astoria d'Angleterre hotel across the street. So don't always believe what you see.

So Heiwa, it seems your schtick, from reading your posts and yes, begrudgingly, looking through your site, is to ponder, more than anything else. There's no real might to the muster, as it were. For example, you merely pontificate as to where or where not be Uranium in Saxony used by the Russians to build bombs without really knowing how one might determine that. You're musing.
Another, how perhaps an astronaut may urinate on a long flight. You surmise that engineering could never come up with a solution for that - Yet you are an engineer. More musings.

And more musings, followed by more musings.

You present no facts, just musings. Could you do us all a favor and stick to the facts?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 03, 2020, 03:30:43 AM
You just have to check the archives at Moscow of the USSR a-bomb project and it is all there ... unless Putin has locked it away to keep Trump happy.  I think it is good story. Imagine all those people executed or locked up to keep it secret.
Who cares what's in the "archives at Moscow"? the USA, Britain, France, India, Pakistan, China, possibly Israel and now North Korea have nuclear weapons. All but Israel have certainly test-fired a number.
Thanks that you agree Russia has no nuclear weapons.

Have you told Putin that?
Putin is busy planning his military parade of theater props like fake ICBMs on the Red Square end of this month and the referendum about constitutional changes in July. I like him. First time I was at Leningrad/USSR February 1969 I met a young man looking like Putin in the snowy streets. He fell in love with my jeans and western clothing. He wanted to buy my outfit but had no money. To cheer him up I proposed a change. So in the shadow of the St. Isac cathedral I got his clothes and he mine. He was so happy. I looked like a real poor proletarian and was refused entry to the Astoria d'Angleterre hotel across the street. So don't always believe what you see.

So Heiwa, it seems your schtick, from reading your posts and yes, begrudgingly, looking through your site, is to ponder, more than anything else. There's no real might to the muster, as it were. For example, you merely pontificate as to where or where not be Uranium in Saxony used by the Russians to build bombs without really knowing how one might determine that. You're musing.
Another, how perhaps an astronaut may urinate on a long flight. You surmise that engineering could never come up with a solution for that - Yet you are an engineer. More musings.

And more musings, followed by more musings.

You present no facts, just musings. Could you do us all a favor and stick to the facts?
Thanks for your post. Fact is I just post findings based on my best understanding of the information presented to me. Re Wismut AG Uranium I just happened to meet a Saxon girl 1999 that told me her father had worked for Wismut AG 1947/58 (and KGB) and one day 1958 both father and mother were gone! She was told they were dead! Poor girl. One result is my website. Anyway, my Saxon girl friend was reunited with her parents, so I could meet her in Africa of all places 1999. It was 21 years ago. Time goes. But my website was already in place then.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on June 03, 2020, 03:47:12 AM
So don't always believe what you see.
And I know never to believe what you say!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 03, 2020, 04:17:38 AM
So don't always believe what you see.
And I know never to believe what you say!
try again
Take a shower, a deep breath, sit down, relax and try again!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on June 03, 2020, 05:37:47 AM
So don't always believe what you see.
And I know never to believe what you say!
try again
Take a shower, a deep breath, sit down, relax and try again!
I did.   Still didn't change that your retarded.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on June 03, 2020, 06:14:58 AM
So don't always believe what you see.
And I know never to believe what you say!
try again
Take a shower, a deep breath, sit down, relax and try again!
I did.   Still didn't change that your retarded.

Showering in America has the possibility of making you more retarded, what with the lead in your water and all
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on June 03, 2020, 06:50:17 AM
Fact is I just post findings based on my best understanding of the information presented to me.
Rather than claiming that everything is propaganda, why not just admit that you don't understand the information presented to you?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 03, 2020, 08:20:58 AM
Fact is I just post findings based on my best understanding of the information presented to me.
Rather than claiming that everything is propaganda, why not just admit that you don't understand the information presented to you?
try again
Take a shower, a deep breath, sit down, relax and try again!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on June 03, 2020, 08:44:43 AM
Thanks for your post. Fact is I just post findings based on my best understanding of the information presented to me. Re Wismut AG Uranium I just happened to meet a Saxon girl 1999 that told me her father had worked for Wismut AG 1947/58 (and KGB) and one day 1958 both father and mother were gone! She was told they were dead! Poor girl. One result is my website. Anyway, my Saxon girl friend was reunited with her parents, so I could meet her in Africa of all places 1999. It was 21 years ago. Time goes. But my website was already in place then.

I met a girl once that said she had a pet unicorn but when I asked to see the horn and she showed me, it was no unicorn. >:(

You can't base your entire story because some random people told you stuff. You need actual evidence, like, all the videos and pictures of nuclear detonations, Hiroshima and other sites.  Plus the fact the physics works, and you can't prove otherwise.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on June 03, 2020, 08:53:09 AM
Fact is I just post findings based on my best understanding of the information presented to me.
Rather than claiming that everything is propaganda, why not just admit that you don't understand the information presented to you?
try again
Take a shower, a deep breath, sit down, relax and try again!
No.  Showers, deep breaths, sitting and relaxing are all capitalist propaganda.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 03, 2020, 09:24:56 AM
Thanks for your post. Fact is I just post findings based on my best understanding of the information presented to me. Re Wismut AG Uranium I just happened to meet a Saxon girl 1999 that told me her father had worked for Wismut AG 1947/58 (and KGB) and one day 1958 both father and mother were gone! She was told they were dead! Poor girl. One result is my website. Anyway, my Saxon girl friend was reunited with her parents, so I could meet her in Africa of all places 1999. It was 21 years ago. Time goes. But my website was already in place then.

I met a girl once that said she had a pet unicorn but when I asked to see the horn and she showed me, it was no unicorn. >:(

You can't base your entire story because some random people told you stuff. You need actual evidence, like, all the videos and pictures of nuclear detonations, Hiroshima and other sites.  Plus the fact the physics works, and you can't prove otherwise.
Well, I have met plenty people in Japan, Germany, USA and Sweden supporting my findings that explosive fission and a-bombs is a hoax. It was created under top secrecy 1942/5 by US presidents and if you didn't agree you were shot.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on June 03, 2020, 11:31:26 AM
Thanks for your post. Fact is I just post findings based on my best understanding of the information presented to me. Re Wismut AG Uranium I just happened to meet a Saxon girl 1999 that told me her father had worked for Wismut AG 1947/58 (and KGB) and one day 1958 both father and mother were gone! She was told they were dead! Poor girl. One result is my website. Anyway, my Saxon girl friend was reunited with her parents, so I could meet her in Africa of all places 1999. It was 21 years ago. Time goes. But my website was already in place then.

I met a girl once that said she had a pet unicorn but when I asked to see the horn and she showed me, it was no unicorn. >:(

You can't base your entire story because some random people told you stuff. You need actual evidence, like, all the videos and pictures of nuclear detonations, Hiroshima and other sites.  Plus the fact the physics works, and you can't prove otherwise.
Well, I have met plenty people in Japan, Germany, USA and Sweden supporting my findings that explosive fission and a-bombs is a hoax. It was created under top secrecy 1942/5 by US presidents and if you didn't agree you were shot.

And I've been told stories too.  Unicorns, dragons, monsters under beds.  None of that is evidence of anything.  And based on your comments, "supporting my findings" could mean they nodded and quietly backed away as you ranted at them.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 03, 2020, 10:09:23 PM
Thanks for your post. Fact is I just post findings based on my best understanding of the information presented to me. Re Wismut AG Uranium I just happened to meet a Saxon girl 1999 that told me her father had worked for Wismut AG 1947/58 (and KGB) and one day 1958 both father and mother were gone! She was told they were dead! Poor girl. One result is my website. Anyway, my Saxon girl friend was reunited with her parents, so I could meet her in Africa of all places 1999. It was 21 years ago. Time goes. But my website was already in place then.

I met a girl once that said she had a pet unicorn but when I asked to see the horn and she showed me, it was no unicorn. >:(

You can't base your entire story because some random people told you stuff. You need actual evidence, like, all the videos and pictures of nuclear detonations, Hiroshima and other sites.  Plus the fact the physics works, and you can't prove otherwise.
Well, I have met plenty people in Japan, Germany, USA and Sweden supporting my findings that explosive fission and a-bombs is a hoax. It was created under top secrecy 1942/5 by US presidents and if you didn't agree you were shot.

And I've been told stories too.  Unicorns, dragons, monsters under beds.  None of that is evidence of anything.  And based on your comments, "supporting my findings" could mean they nodded and quietly backed away as you ranted at them.
But you must have heard of the KGB? And Russian President Putin worked for them 1981/91! To look after fake Uranium mining outside Dresden, Saxony, Germany to build fake a-bombs in Siberia. What a hoax. And joke. Putin smiles so nicely when he talks about his nuclear weapons invented by Roosevelt and his friend Joe 75 years ago.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on June 04, 2020, 06:09:22 AM
Anders, how can you tell the difference between something real and a hoax?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: frenat on June 04, 2020, 06:42:41 AM
Well, my friends at Hiroshima and Nagasaki never observed a FLASH. The towns were simply destroyed by napalm carpet bombings 1945. Just look at all photos of the towns afterwards. Typical napalm carpet bombings. Like Dresden/Saxony February 1945.
Did your friends at Hiroshima and Nagasaki say anything about the hundreds of bombers that fire bombed them?  You know, like Dresden/Saxony?
50! The towns are pretty small you know. It took less than an hour to burn them down.

There's no evidence I can find that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were fire-bombed. I would think there would be some.
Just check your sources.

I did because I was curious. I didn’t find anything. I don’t think you have anything either.
I only talked 1973/4 to some people from Hiroshima/Nagasaki that survived the bombings 1945. No FLASHES! I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/abomb1.htm .
Nobody believes you actually talked to any witnesses. Why didn't you interview any of the thousands of witnesses that viewed the explosions from Vegas?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: frenat on June 04, 2020, 06:49:16 AM
Low background steel, from ships built and sunk before the atomic tests in 1945, is sought after for experiments requiring high sensitivity for detecting radionuclides

https://hackaday.com/2017/03/27/low-background-steel-so-hot-right-now/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel

But according to Heiwa that would all be a hoax too then, right?   ::)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 04, 2020, 09:52:00 AM
Anders, how can you tell the difference between something real and a hoax?
I use critical thinking and scientific calculations and present the result at my website under my own name. Some of it is peer reviewed. I am quite happy with the result. Nobody has shown that I am wrong.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 04, 2020, 10:00:46 AM
Well, my friends at Hiroshima and Nagasaki never observed a FLASH. The towns were simply destroyed by napalm carpet bombings 1945. Just look at all photos of the towns afterwards. Typical napalm carpet bombings. Like Dresden/Saxony February 1945.
Did your friends at Hiroshima and Nagasaki say anything about the hundreds of bombers that fire bombed them?  You know, like Dresden/Saxony?
50! The towns are pretty small you know. It took less than an hour to burn them down.

There's no evidence I can find that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were fire-bombed. I would think there would be some.
Just check your sources.

I did because I was curious. I didn’t find anything. I don’t think you have anything either.
I only talked 1973/4 to some people from Hiroshima/Nagasaki that survived the bombings 1945. No FLASHES! I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/abomb1.htm .
Nobody believes you actually talked to any witnesses. Why didn't you interview any of the thousands of witnesses that viewed the explosions from Vegas?
Please, back in 1964 I talked to M. Siegbahn that had been asked to build a Swedish A-Bomb 1945. He agreed ... and recommended me to do something else.
1972/6 in Japan I met plenty Japanese that participated in WW2 in Korea and/or lived in Hiroshima and Nagasaki 1945 and none believed in A-Bombs. They had other stories to tell. Just napalm bombings.
And 1999 I met some persons that had assisted Stalin to build a USSR A-Bomb 1946/58. But Stalin's A-Bomb was just propaganda. I have checked it in situ in Germany.
Fascinating, isn't it? Just take the chances you are given  and don't sit watching TV drinking beer all your lives and you learn something.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on June 04, 2020, 10:25:25 AM
Anders, how can you tell the difference between something real and a hoax?
I use critical thinking and scientific calculations and present the result at my website under my own name. Some of it is peer reviewed.
As I understand it, the results that were peer reviewed failed the review.

I am quite happy with the result. Nobody has shown that I am wrong.
Incorrect.  Lots of people have shown that you are wrong.  You simply refuse to accept that you're wrong.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 04, 2020, 11:46:58 AM
Anders, how can you tell the difference between something real and a hoax?
I use critical thinking and scientific calculations and present the result at my website under my own name. Some of it is peer reviewed.
As I understand it, the results that were peer reviewed failed the review.

I am quite happy with the result. Nobody has shown that I am wrong.
Incorrect.  Lots of people have shown that you are wrong.  You simply refuse to accept that you're wrong.
Please, nobody has shown me wrong. Name one to start with!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on June 04, 2020, 12:27:46 PM
Anders, how can you tell the difference between something real and a hoax?
I use critical thinking and scientific calculations and present the result at my website under my own name. Some of it is peer reviewed.
As I understand it, the results that were peer reviewed failed the review.

I am quite happy with the result. Nobody has shown that I am wrong.
Incorrect.  Lots of people have shown that you are wrong.  You simply refuse to accept that you're wrong.
Please, nobody has shown me wrong. Name one to start with!
All of the scientists working on the Manhattan project for starters.  Then there are all of the scientists who worked on every other nuclear bomb project.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 04, 2020, 07:54:39 PM
Anders, how can you tell the difference between something real and a hoax?
I use critical thinking and scientific calculations and present the result at my website under my own name. Some of it is peer reviewed.
As I understand it, the results that were peer reviewed failed the review.

I am quite happy with the result. Nobody has shown that I am wrong.
Incorrect.  Lots of people have shown that you are wrong.  You simply refuse to accept that you're wrong.
Please, nobody has shown me wrong. Name one to start with!
All of the scientists working on the Manhattan project for starters.  Then there are all of the scientists who worked on every other nuclear bomb project.
It is a pity that you don't understand that the top secret Manhattan project 1942/5 was pure propaganda, which fooled everyone.
And the rest is top secret military nonsense until today.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Timeisup on June 16, 2020, 11:12:14 AM
I've put together a seven minute piece which asks the question "Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?":

Although this possibility is rarely postulated, and although when it is put forth it always receives scathing incredulity, even from the most skeptical conspiracy theorists, I am certain that the canon of nuclear/atomic explosion footage shown to the public starting in the 1940s was falsified from the beginning.

Nuclear bombs are the cornerstone of the world's military-industrial control structure. It is therefore necessary that, if the current order is to be maintained, everyone must believe in them.


Yes.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on June 18, 2020, 09:22:38 AM
I've put together a seven minute piece which asks the question "Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?":

Although this possibility is rarely postulated, and although when it is put forth it always receives scathing incredulity, even from the most skeptical conspiracy theorists, I am certain that the canon of nuclear/atomic explosion footage shown to the public starting in the 1940s was falsified from the beginning.

Nuclear bombs are the cornerstone of the world's military-industrial control structure. It is therefore necessary that, if the current order is to be maintained, everyone must believe in them.


Yes.
The video is not available.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on July 24, 2020, 01:53:29 AM
Quote
Enola Gay circles Hiroshima a total of three times beginning at 29,200 feet and climbing towards 30,000 feet before heading for home. It was 368 miles from Hiroshima before Caron reported that the mushroom cloud was no longer visible.

Form: https://www.atomicheritage.org/history/hiroshima-and-nagasaki-bombing-timeline

Now, it went 368 miles.


(I did simulation on globe, but it doesn't matter for debate)

(Globe: http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Advanced+Earth+Curvature+Calculator&state=--29144-158.731105-8592238.59-9-318288-5~0.0343-9-21-9 )

Speed of plabe that have dropped bomb is 200 miles. Also form that site.

Quote
0905: Van Kirk announces, “Ten minutes to the AP." The Enola Gay is at an altitude of 31,060 feet with an air speed of 200 miles an hour when the City of Hiroshima first comes into view.

So, it needed more than hour and a half to go there, to see it form 368 miles.

Quote

"The Effects of Nuclear Weapons,” a federal guide, said the mushroom clouds typically reached their maximum heights in about 10 minutes and could linger “for about an hour or more before being dispersed by the winds.”

So, how did it see cloud more than 30 minutes after it dissapeared. Form 368 miles?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 24, 2020, 02:23:31 AM
You think absolutely everything that has been kicked up into the air will have magically dispersed in exactly one hour?

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1 Early time, the first ≈20 seconds, when the fireball forms and the fission products mix with the material aspired from the ground or ejected from the crater. The condensation of evaporated ground occurs in first few seconds, most intensely during fireball temperatures between 3500–4100 K.[9]

2 Rise and stabilization phase, 20 seconds to 10 minutes, when the hot gases rise up and early large fallout is deposited.

3 Late time, until about 2 days later, when the airborne particles are being distributed by wind, deposited by gravity, and scavenged by precipitation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushroom_cloud (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushroom_cloud)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 24, 2020, 02:36:10 AM
Americans believe today 2020 that, some young, American heroes 1945 (75 years ago!) in a plane (1) dropped something like an Atomic Bomb from high altitude on Japan and then, that it, while falling down at increasing speed (2), exploded at 600 m altitude in a FLASH and seconds later (3) everything below it was vaporized killing everyone there, except (4) some poor survivors that could testify about everything (and the plane above). This fairy tale is worse than this Covid-19 hoax that 75 years later keeps media busy. I explain why at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/bomb.htm
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: rabinoz on July 24, 2020, 04:32:42 AM
Americans believe today 2020 that, some young, American heroes 1945 (75 years ago!) in a plane (1) dropped something like an Atomic Bomb from high altitude on Japan and then, that it, while falling down at increasing speed (2), exploded at 600 m altitude in a FLASH and seconds later (3) everything below it was vaporized killing everyone there, except (4) some poor survivors that could testify about everything (and the plane above). This fairy tale is worse than this Covid-19 hoax that 75 years later keeps media busy. I explain why at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/bomb.htm
What total garbage you spout! Heiwa you are an an idiot if you think anyone believes you!
If you think COVID-19 is a hoax what caused the 633000 deaths so far?

All you have at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/bomb.htm is proof that you don't have the brains to to understand!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on July 24, 2020, 05:28:18 AM
Americans believe today 2020 that, some young, American heroes 1945 (75 years ago!) in a plane (1) dropped something like an Atomic Bomb from high altitude on Japan and then, that it, while falling down at increasing speed (2), exploded at 600 m altitude in a FLASH and seconds later (3) everything below it was vaporized killing everyone there, except (4) some poor survivors that could testify about everything (and the plane above). This fairy tale is worse than this Covid-19 hoax that 75 years later keeps media busy. I explain why at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/bomb.htm

I feel sorry for your family.  Must be hard to be related to a insane crackpot.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 24, 2020, 05:54:57 AM
Americans believe today 2020 that, some young, American heroes 1945 (75 years ago!) in a plane (1) dropped something like an Atomic Bomb from high altitude on Japan and then, that it, while falling down at increasing speed (2), exploded at 600 m altitude in a FLASH and seconds later (3) everything below it was vaporized killing everyone there, except (4) some poor survivors that could testify about everything (and the plane above). This fairy tale is worse than this Covid-19 hoax that 75 years later keeps media busy. I explain why at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/bomb.htm
What total garbage you spout! Heiwa you are an an idiot if you think anyone believes you!
If you think COVID-19 is a hoax what caused the 633000 deaths so far?

All you have at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/bomb.htm is proof that you don't have the brains to to understand!

Well, plenty people believe in and love nuclear weapons. They don't know that no A-bombs exploded 1945 and it was just propaganda. There is no way A-bombs can explode.
Same with all these American heroes flying in space. Just actors playing heroes in cheap Hollywood films. There is no way humans can safely fly in space;
Same with these Arabs attacking USA 911 2001. They never existed. America attacked itself assisted by Hollywood.
People just believe anything. Now latest this Covid-19 virus that doesn't exist.
I am quite popular with my daughters. I never fooled them with stupid fairy tales when they were small.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on July 24, 2020, 06:05:14 AM
Wait. Heiwa, are you flat Earther?


And lolol. Covid-19 is real. I know people who have corona virus. To be precise, i know people who know people with all covid symothoms and are diagnosed.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on July 24, 2020, 06:30:11 AM
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"The Effects of Nuclear Weapons,” a federal guide, said the mushroom clouds typically reached their maximum heights in about 10 minutes and could linger “for about an hour or more before being dispersed by the winds.”

So, how did it see cloud more than 30 minutes after it dissapeared. Form 368 miles?
You seem to have missed the "or more" part of that quote.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 24, 2020, 07:54:58 AM
Wait. Heiwa, are you flat Earther?


And lolol. Covid-19 is real. I know people who have corona virus. To be precise, i know people who know people with all covid symothoms and are diagnosed.

Thanks for asking.
I believe Earth is a 360°/24h rotating object with >70% sea water on the surface in our Solar system orbiting the Sun in a year. How it started rotating and orbiting, I have no idea. My biz is ships in the interface water/air on Earth.
Any spacecraft leaving Earth for a trip in the Solar system will always orbit object Earth until it collides with some other object or Earth. In both cases it is the end of the one-way trip. All these stories of drunken sailor/asstronuts dropping down in water after a space trip are pure nonsense.
I haven't seen any Covid virus but I know plenty people with fever, coughing, pain here and there, etc, and I doubt they are caused by a virus.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on July 24, 2020, 08:44:33 AM
I haven't seen any Covid virus but I know plenty people with fever, coughing, pain here and there, etc, and I doubt they are caused by a virus.
Well, they aren't caused by being healthy, so they must be caused by something unhealthy.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 24, 2020, 08:59:01 AM
I haven't seen any Covid virus but I know plenty people with fever, coughing, pain here and there, etc, and I doubt they are caused by a virus.
Well, it could possibly be a reaction to meeting you.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on July 24, 2020, 09:21:29 AM
Wait. Heiwa, are you flat Earther?


And lolol. Covid-19 is real. I know people who have corona virus. To be precise, i know people who know people with all covid symothoms and are diagnosed.

Thanks for asking.
I believe Earth is a 360°/24h rotating object with >70% sea water on the surface in our Solar system orbiting the Sun in a year. How it started rotating and orbiting, I have no idea. My biz is ships in the interface water/air on Earth.
Any spacecraft leaving Earth for a trip in the Solar system will always orbit object Earth until it collides with some other object or Earth. In both cases it is the end of the one-way trip. All these stories of drunken sailor/asstronuts dropping down in water after a space trip are pure nonsense.
I haven't seen any Covid virus but I know plenty people with fever, coughing, pain here and there, etc, and I doubt they are caused by a virus.


Oh. You are first persion i know who belives spacetravel is fake but belives modern astronony :)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 24, 2020, 09:52:09 AM
Wait. Heiwa, are you flat Earther?


And lolol. Covid-19 is real. I know people who have corona virus. To be precise, i know people who know people with all covid symothoms and are diagnosed.

Thanks for asking.
I believe Earth is a 360°/24h rotating object with >70% sea water on the surface in our Solar system orbiting the Sun in a year. How it started rotating and orbiting, I have no idea. My biz is ships in the interface water/air on Earth.
Any spacecraft leaving Earth for a trip in the Solar system will always orbit object Earth until it collides with some other object or Earth. In both cases it is the end of the one-way trip. All these stories of drunken sailor/asstronuts dropping down in water after a space trip are pure nonsense.
I haven't seen any Covid virus but I know plenty people with fever, coughing, pain here and there, etc, and I doubt they are caused by a virus.


Oh. You are first persion i know who belives spacetravel is fake but belives modern astronony :)
I don't know you except that you don't know how to spell and don't understand what I say. Space travel is real! A company I own shares in sends spacecrafts all the time into orbits around Earth since many years. And I like astronomy. I look up in the sky every day seeing the Sun rise, the Moon, planets Mars and Venus and the rest. I explain a little at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/moontravelb.htm .
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on July 24, 2020, 09:53:45 AM
Oh. You are first persion i know who belives spacetravel is fake but belives modern astronony :)
Anders is the first person I know who believes that geostationary satellites are real, but doesn't believe that orbits can be changed.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 24, 2020, 06:17:11 PM
Oh. You are first persion i know who belives spacetravel is fake but belives modern astronony :)
Anders is the first person I know who believes that geostationary satellites are real, but doesn't believe that orbits can be changed.

It seems you have not understood what an orbit is.
An orbit (around Earth) of an object sent from Earth is always an orbit around Earth. The shape and altitude of an orbit can of course change. It can be circular at various altitudes (LEO or GEO) - the object moves at constant speed in such orbits - or elliptical - the speed of the object varies with the distance from Earth.
An object in geostationary orbit is located above the Equator at low speed, so it appears to be stationary above the rotating Earth. It is fairly easy to catapult an object to such a location using a rocket. But the object can never return to Earth.
An object in elliptical orbit going to the Moon or planet Mars must have an initial speed and direction leaving Earth to enable it to arrive at the target. It is in fact impossible. You will always miss the target or crash on the target. In either case the object must have a small mass.
Accelerating humans so they can arrive at planet Mars is not possible.
The CEO of US company SpaceX suggest it is very easy to fly to Mars. He even sells tickets of such future trips. But he is just a simple fraud.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on July 24, 2020, 09:45:17 PM
An object in elliptical orbit going to the Moon or planet Mars must have an initial speed and direction leaving Earth to enable it to arrive at the target. It is in fact impossible. You will always miss the target or crash on the target.

It's only impossible because you say it is impossible. There is no evidence that it is impossible presented by you here or at your site. You just saying something is impossible is not a tenuous position because you provide no evidence that it is not. Neither does your site.

You're kind of in a weird space: Things are not possible simply because I say so. Hardly a position of intellect, knowledge, or authority. One of that of a charlatan.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 24, 2020, 09:59:09 PM
An object in elliptical orbit going to the Moon or planet Mars must have an initial speed and direction leaving Earth to enable it to arrive at the target. It is in fact impossible. You will always miss the target or crash on the target.

It's only impossible because you say it is impossible. There is no evidence that it is impossible presented by you here or at your site. You just saying something is impossible is not a tenuous position because you provide no evidence that it is not. Neither does your site.

You're kind of in a weird space: Things are not possible simply because I say so. Hardly a position of intellect, knowledge, or authority. One of that of a charlatan.
It seems you agree what an orbit is. So any spacecraft taking off for a trip in space enters an orbit (around Earth). And for that you need energy. And let's face it, there is no rocket on Earth today that can provide that energy for a little trip to the Moon. Just do the calculations.

You'll reply that 1969 such rockets existed - Saturn 5 - but they are out of production and all drawings are lost, so there is a problem. But the solution is simple.
The rockets taking off >50 years ago were just theater props for Hollywood shows.

Then there is the SpaceX CEO. The most intelligent science pro on Earth ... and rich too. He sells trips to planet Mars. Ask him how he will get there.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on July 25, 2020, 05:38:04 AM
An object in elliptical orbit going to the Moon or planet Mars must have an initial speed and direction leaving Earth to enable it to arrive at the target. It is in fact impossible. You will always miss the target or crash on the target.

It's only impossible because you say it is impossible. There is no evidence that it is impossible presented by you here or at your site. You just saying something is impossible is not a tenuous position because you provide no evidence that it is not. Neither does your site.

You're kind of in a weird space: Things are not possible simply because I say so. Hardly a position of intellect, knowledge, or authority. One of that of a charlatan.
It seems you agree what an orbit is. So any spacecraft taking off for a trip in space enters an orbit (around Earth). And for that you need energy. And let's face it, there is no rocket on Earth today that can provide that energy for a little trip to the Moon. Just do the calculations.

You'll reply that 1969 such rockets existed - Saturn 5 - but they are out of production and all drawings are lost, so there is a problem. But the solution is simple.
The rockets taking off >50 years ago were just theater props for Hollywood shows.

Then there is the SpaceX CEO. The most intelligent science pro on Earth ... and rich too. He sells trips to planet Mars. Ask him how he will get there.

I feel sorry for your family.  It must be hard being related to insane conspiracy theorist.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 25, 2020, 09:52:49 AM
An object in elliptical orbit going to the Moon or planet Mars must have an initial speed and direction leaving Earth to enable it to arrive at the target. It is in fact impossible. You will always miss the target or crash on the target.

It's only impossible because you say it is impossible. There is no evidence that it is impossible presented by you here or at your site. You just saying something is impossible is not a tenuous position because you provide no evidence that it is not. Neither does your site.

You're kind of in a weird space: Things are not possible simply because I say so. Hardly a position of intellect, knowledge, or authority. One of that of a charlatan.
It seems you agree what an orbit is. So any spacecraft taking off for a trip in space enters an orbit (around Earth). And for that you need energy. And let's face it, there is no rocket on Earth today that can provide that energy for a little trip to the Moon. Just do the calculations.

You'll reply that 1969 such rockets existed - Saturn 5 - but they are out of production and all drawings are lost, so there is a problem. But the solution is simple.
The rockets taking off >50 years ago were just theater props for Hollywood shows.

Then there is the SpaceX CEO. The most intelligent science pro on Earth ... and rich too. He sells trips to planet Mars. Ask him how he will get there.

I feel sorry for your family.  It must be hard being related to insane conspiracy theorist.
Well, my family = daughters & Co. are all in good shape and invite me all the time for all sorts of things.
Do you have any family apart from a mother? Or were you found in a gutter?
You sound like being a sick loving A-Bombs idiot!
Do you really ask people around you being related to insane conspiracy theorists?
If you worry about A-Bombs, my advice is ... stop worrying.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on July 25, 2020, 12:24:37 PM
It seems you agree what an orbit is. So any spacecraft taking off for a trip in space enters an orbit (around Earth). And for that you need energy. And let's face it, there is no rocket on Earth today that can provide that energy for a little trip to the Moon. Just do the calculations.

You are one to talk about calculations,you never provide ANY evidence other than you being dumbfounded how it could be possible, and declaring that a million people are involved in a vast conspiracy... because how could anything YOU don't understand POSSIBLY be real?

Couldn't at all be that you just can't understand it.  No, you are all knowing and the smartest man alive, or ever, clearly.

Can't be YOUR lack of understanding why the ENTIRE WORLD is a confusing mess to you.

Must be the conspiracy. 
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 25, 2020, 06:19:21 PM
It seems you agree what an orbit is. So any spacecraft taking off for a trip in space enters an orbit (around Earth). And for that you need energy. And let's face it, there is no rocket on Earth today that can provide that energy for a little trip to the Moon. Just do the calculations.

You are one to talk about calculations,you never provide ANY evidence other than you being dumbfounded how it could be possible, and declaring that a million people are involved in a vast conspiracy... because how could anything YOU don't understand POSSIBLY be real?

Couldn't at all be that you just can't understand it.  No, you are all knowing and the smartest man alive, or ever, clearly.

Can't be YOUR lack of understanding why the ENTIRE WORLD is a confusing mess to you.

Must be the conspiracy.

My evidence/calculations are at my website. Easy to check. But millions of people do not do any calculations or checks at all. They just believe what corrupt people/experts say and what media copy/trumpet as truth. You sound like one believing those lies - a-bombs, space travel, 911 Arabs, etc.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on July 25, 2020, 08:46:25 PM
It seems you agree what an orbit is. So any spacecraft taking off for a trip in space enters an orbit (around Earth). And for that you need energy. And let's face it, there is no rocket on Earth today that can provide that energy for a little trip to the Moon. Just do the calculations.

You are one to talk about calculations,you never provide ANY evidence other than you being dumbfounded how it could be possible, and declaring that a million people are involved in a vast conspiracy... because how could anything YOU don't understand POSSIBLY be real?

Couldn't at all be that you just can't understand it.  No, you are all knowing and the smartest man alive, or ever, clearly.

Can't be YOUR lack of understanding why the ENTIRE WORLD is a confusing mess to you.

Must be the conspiracy.

My evidence/calculations are at my website. Easy to check. But millions of people do not do any calculations or checks at all. They just believe what corrupt people/experts say and what media copy/trumpet as truth. You sound like one believing those lies - a-bombs, space travel, 911 Arabs, etc.

It is apparent that you believe in the HC globe. but when it comes to history, you deny that it is real;  and I don't know how to convince you that the history that you deny, is real.
As a witness to operation fishbowl is not enough to have a witness to history that you deny, can not change your mind?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 26, 2020, 01:10:47 AM
It seems you agree what an orbit is. So any spacecraft taking off for a trip in space enters an orbit (around Earth). And for that you need energy. And let's face it, there is no rocket on Earth today that can provide that energy for a little trip to the Moon. Just do the calculations.

You are one to talk about calculations,you never provide ANY evidence other than you being dumbfounded how it could be possible, and declaring that a million people are involved in a vast conspiracy... because how could anything YOU don't understand POSSIBLY be real?

Couldn't at all be that you just can't understand it.  No, you are all knowing and the smartest man alive, or ever, clearly.

Can't be YOUR lack of understanding why the ENTIRE WORLD is a confusing mess to you.

Must be the conspiracy.

My evidence/calculations are at my website. Easy to check. But millions of people do not do any calculations or checks at all. They just believe what corrupt people/experts say and what media copy/trumpet as truth. You sound like one believing those lies - a-bombs, space travel, 911 Arabs, etc.

It is apparent that you believe in the HC globe. but when it comes to history, you deny that it is real;  and I don't know how to convince you that the history that you deny, is real.
As a witness to operation fishbowl is not enough to have a witness to history that you deny, can not change your mind?
No, I just believe in my own findings. The winners always write the history, so you have to be alert and check and plan accordingly.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on July 26, 2020, 05:29:20 AM
An object in elliptical orbit going to the Moon or planet Mars must have an initial speed and direction leaving Earth to enable it to arrive at the target. It is in fact impossible. You will always miss the target or crash on the target.

It's only impossible because you say it is impossible. There is no evidence that it is impossible presented by you here or at your site. You just saying something is impossible is not a tenuous position because you provide no evidence that it is not. Neither does your site.

You're kind of in a weird space: Things are not possible simply because I say so. Hardly a position of intellect, knowledge, or authority. One of that of a charlatan.
It seems you agree what an orbit is. So any spacecraft taking off for a trip in space enters an orbit (around Earth). And for that you need energy. And let's face it, there is no rocket on Earth today that can provide that energy for a little trip to the Moon. Just do the calculations.

You'll reply that 1969 such rockets existed - Saturn 5 - but they are out of production and all drawings are lost, so there is a problem. But the solution is simple.
The rockets taking off >50 years ago were just theater props for Hollywood shows.

Then there is the SpaceX CEO. The most intelligent science pro on Earth ... and rich too. He sells trips to planet Mars. Ask him how he will get there.

I feel sorry for your family.  It must be hard being related to insane conspiracy theorist.
Well, my family = daughters & Co. are all in good shape and invite me all the time for all sorts of things.
Do you have any family apart from a mother? Or were you found in a gutter?
You sound like being a sick loving A-Bombs idiot!
Do you really ask people around you being related to insane conspiracy theorists?
If you worry about A-Bombs, my advice is ... stop worrying.
Coming to visit you at the mental institute is not inviting you out.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on July 26, 2020, 08:13:41 AM
It seems you agree what an orbit is. So any spacecraft taking off for a trip in space enters an orbit (around Earth). And for that you need energy. And let's face it, there is no rocket on Earth today that can provide that energy for a little trip to the Moon. Just do the calculations.

You are one to talk about calculations,you never provide ANY evidence other than you being dumbfounded how it could be possible, and declaring that a million people are involved in a vast conspiracy... because how could anything YOU don't understand POSSIBLY be real?

Couldn't at all be that you just can't understand it.  No, you are all knowing and the smartest man alive, or ever, clearly.

Can't be YOUR lack of understanding why the ENTIRE WORLD is a confusing mess to you.

Must be the conspiracy.

My evidence/calculations are at my website. Easy to check. But millions of people do not do any calculations or checks at all. They just believe what corrupt people/experts say and what media copy/trumpet as truth. You sound like one believing those lies - a-bombs, space travel, 911 Arabs, etc.

I'm not wading through your hundreds of pages of conspiracy theories trying to find your 'calculations' that prove space travel is a hoax.

If you have them, show them here.

You sound like one of those people who are delusional and think the entire world is lying to you because you can't understand simple concepts.  Yeah, much more likely that the entire world is full of corruption and conspiracies than maybe you are just a crazy conspiracy nut.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 26, 2020, 10:05:25 AM
It seems you agree what an orbit is. So any spacecraft taking off for a trip in space enters an orbit (around Earth). And for that you need energy. And let's face it, there is no rocket on Earth today that can provide that energy for a little trip to the Moon. Just do the calculations.

You are one to talk about calculations,you never provide ANY evidence other than you being dumbfounded how it could be possible, and declaring that a million people are involved in a vast conspiracy... because how could anything YOU don't understand POSSIBLY be real?

Couldn't at all be that you just can't understand it.  No, you are all knowing and the smartest man alive, or ever, clearly.

Can't be YOUR lack of understanding why the ENTIRE WORLD is a confusing mess to you.

Must be the conspiracy.

My evidence/calculations are at my website. Easy to check. But millions of people do not do any calculations or checks at all. They just believe what corrupt people/experts say and what media copy/trumpet as truth. You sound like one believing those lies - a-bombs, space travel, 911 Arabs, etc.

I'm not wading through your hundreds of pages of conspiracy theories trying to find your 'calculations' that prove space travel is a hoax.

If you have them, show them here.

You sound like one of those people who are delusional and think the entire world is lying to you because you can't understand simple concepts.  Yeah, much more likely that the entire world is full of corruption and conspiracies than maybe you are just a crazy conspiracy nut.
I am not in conspiracy theories. I am in the safety at sea biz since 1969. So I met plenty people involved with the Atomic Bomb manipulations (topic). One, Nobel Prize winner physics, had been asked to design/build a Swedish A-Bomb and agreed 1945! But he would publish all info. Not popular! It had to be secret. 1964 he advised me to avoid A-Bomb physics and I followed his advice. So I went to Japan to build ships and met people who had survived the A-Bomb attacks there 1945. The attacks were just napalm carpet bombings, I was told. Why not? 1999 a ship of mine broke down at Mombasa, Kenya, so I went there to fix it. At the hotel I met a beautiful woman in the bar. Chatting about various things I found out that here father had assisted Stalin, actually Ivan Serov, building a fake Soviet A-Bomb 1946/58. Or providing the uranium for it. Fake uranium!
Fascinating story - http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 26, 2020, 10:45:11 AM
Out of interest, has anyone actually professed to believing this drivel?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on July 26, 2020, 11:46:44 AM
It seems you agree what an orbit is. So any spacecraft taking off for a trip in space enters an orbit (around Earth). And for that you need energy. And let's face it, there is no rocket on Earth today that can provide that energy for a little trip to the Moon. Just do the calculations.

You are one to talk about calculations,you never provide ANY evidence other than you being dumbfounded how it could be possible, and declaring that a million people are involved in a vast conspiracy... because how could anything YOU don't understand POSSIBLY be real?

Couldn't at all be that you just can't understand it.  No, you are all knowing and the smartest man alive, or ever, clearly.

Can't be YOUR lack of understanding why the ENTIRE WORLD is a confusing mess to you.

Must be the conspiracy.

My evidence/calculations are at my website. Easy to check. But millions of people do not do any calculations or checks at all. They just believe what corrupt people/experts say and what media copy/trumpet as truth. You sound like one believing those lies - a-bombs, space travel, 911 Arabs, etc.

It is apparent that you believe in the HC globe. but when it comes to history, you deny that it is real;  and I don't know how to convince you that the history that you deny, is real.
As a witness to operation fishbowl is not enough to have a witness to history that you deny, can not change your mind?
No, I just believe in my own findings. The winners always write the history, so you have to be alert and check and plan accordingly.

then it is your findings that need to be re-examined because they are in wrong
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 26, 2020, 09:39:03 PM
It seems you agree what an orbit is. So any spacecraft taking off for a trip in space enters an orbit (around Earth). And for that you need energy. And let's face it, there is no rocket on Earth today that can provide that energy for a little trip to the Moon. Just do the calculations.

You are one to talk about calculations,you never provide ANY evidence other than you being dumbfounded how it could be possible, and declaring that a million people are involved in a vast conspiracy... because how could anything YOU don't understand POSSIBLY be real?

Couldn't at all be that you just can't understand it.  No, you are all knowing and the smartest man alive, or ever, clearly.

Can't be YOUR lack of understanding why the ENTIRE WORLD is a confusing mess to you.

Must be the conspiracy.

My evidence/calculations are at my website. Easy to check. But millions of people do not do any calculations or checks at all. They just believe what corrupt people/experts say and what media copy/trumpet as truth. You sound like one believing those lies - a-bombs, space travel, 911 Arabs, etc.

It is apparent that you believe in the HC globe. but when it comes to history, you deny that it is real;  and I don't know how to convince you that the history that you deny, is real.
As a witness to operation fishbowl is not enough to have a witness to history that you deny, can not change your mind?
No, I just believe in my own findings. The winners always write the history, so you have to be alert and check and plan accordingly.

then it is your findings that need to be re-examined because they are in wrong
Thanks for the idea. You are welcome to http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on July 27, 2020, 08:23:06 AM
It seems you agree what an orbit is. So any spacecraft taking off for a trip in space enters an orbit (around Earth). And for that you need energy. And let's face it, there is no rocket on Earth today that can provide that energy for a little trip to the Moon. Just do the calculations.

You are one to talk about calculations,you never provide ANY evidence other than you being dumbfounded how it could be possible, and declaring that a million people are involved in a vast conspiracy... because how could anything YOU don't understand POSSIBLY be real?

Couldn't at all be that you just can't understand it.  No, you are all knowing and the smartest man alive, or ever, clearly.

Can't be YOUR lack of understanding why the ENTIRE WORLD is a confusing mess to you.

Must be the conspiracy.

My evidence/calculations are at my website. Easy to check. But millions of people do not do any calculations or checks at all. They just believe what corrupt people/experts say and what media copy/trumpet as truth. You sound like one believing those lies - a-bombs, space travel, 911 Arabs, etc.

I'm not wading through your hundreds of pages of conspiracy theories trying to find your 'calculations' that prove space travel is a hoax.

If you have them, show them here.

You sound like one of those people who are delusional and think the entire world is lying to you because you can't understand simple concepts.  Yeah, much more likely that the entire world is full of corruption and conspiracies than maybe you are just a crazy conspiracy nut.
I am not in conspiracy theories.

Of course you are:

Definition of conspiracy theory
: a theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators

That aptly describes everything on your site. Why you would think otherwise is just more evidence of your delusions.

I am in the safety at sea biz since 1969. So I met plenty people involved with the Atomic Bomb manipulations (topic). One, Nobel Prize winner physics, had been asked to design/build a Swedish A-Bomb and agreed 1945! But he would publish all info. Not popular! It had to be secret. 1964 he advised me to avoid A-Bomb physics and I followed his advice. So I went to Japan to build ships and met people who had survived the A-Bomb attacks there 1945. The attacks were just napalm carpet bombings, I was told. Why not? 1999 a ship of mine broke down at Mombasa, Kenya, so I went there to fix it. At the hotel I met a beautiful woman in the bar. Chatting about various things I found out that here father had assisted Stalin, actually Ivan Serov, building a fake Soviet A-Bomb 1946/58. Or providing the uranium for it. Fake uranium!
Fascinating story - http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm

You met some people in Japan and a beautiful woman in a bar. That's your evidence? I've been to your site. There are no "calculations" just you saying more stuff like, "I met some people in Japan and a beautiful woman in a bar...." There's nothing on your site by way of evidence for anything. Just you spouting off about your complete and utter lack of understanding of just about everything.

If you have some evidence, post it here. Why you try and drive people back to your 1992-esque looking craptastic site filled the ramblings of someone not quite in touch, I'll never know.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 27, 2020, 10:11:31 AM
It seems you agree what an orbit is. So any spacecraft taking off for a trip in space enters an orbit (around Earth). And for that you need energy. And let's face it, there is no rocket on Earth today that can provide that energy for a little trip to the Moon. Just do the calculations.

You are one to talk about calculations,you never provide ANY evidence other than you being dumbfounded how it could be possible, and declaring that a million people are involved in a vast conspiracy... because how could anything YOU don't understand POSSIBLY be real?

Couldn't at all be that you just can't understand it.  No, you are all knowing and the smartest man alive, or ever, clearly.

Can't be YOUR lack of understanding why the ENTIRE WORLD is a confusing mess to you.

Must be the conspiracy.

My evidence/calculations are at my website. Easy to check. But millions of people do not do any calculations or checks at all. They just believe what corrupt people/experts say and what media copy/trumpet as truth. You sound like one believing those lies - a-bombs, space travel, 911 Arabs, etc.

I'm not wading through your hundreds of pages of conspiracy theories trying to find your 'calculations' that prove space travel is a hoax.

If you have them, show them here.

You sound like one of those people who are delusional and think the entire world is lying to you because you can't understand simple concepts.  Yeah, much more likely that the entire world is full of corruption and conspiracies than maybe you are just a crazy conspiracy nut.
I am not in conspiracy theories.

Of course you are:

Definition of conspiracy theory
: a theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators

That aptly describes everything on your site. Why you would think otherwise is just more evidence of your delusions.

I am in the safety at sea biz since 1969. So I met plenty people involved with the Atomic Bomb manipulations (topic). One, Nobel Prize winner physics, had been asked to design/build a Swedish A-Bomb and agreed 1945! But he would publish all info. Not popular! It had to be secret. 1964 he advised me to avoid A-Bomb physics and I followed his advice. So I went to Japan to build ships and met people who had survived the A-Bomb attacks there 1945. The attacks were just napalm carpet bombings, I was told. Why not? 1999 a ship of mine broke down at Mombasa, Kenya, so I went there to fix it. At the hotel I met a beautiful woman in the bar. Chatting about various things I found out that here father had assisted Stalin, actually Ivan Serov, building a fake Soviet A-Bomb 1946/58. Or providing the uranium for it. Fake uranium!
Fascinating story - http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm

You met some people in Japan and a beautiful woman in a bar. That's your evidence? I've been to your site. There are no "calculations" just you saying more stuff like, "I met some people in Japan and a beautiful woman in a bar...." There's nothing on your site by way of evidence for anything. Just you spouting off about your complete and utter lack of understanding of just about everything.

If you have some evidence, post it here. Why you try and drive people back to your 1992-esque looking craptastic site filled the ramblings of someone not quite in touch, I'll never know.
Yes, when I worked in Japan 1972/6 I met and worked with people from Hiroshima and Nagasaki that told me they survived the destruction 1945 of their towns and rebuilt them. No radiation. It was napalm. Yes, I met a beautiful woman in a hotel bar at Mombasa, Kenya, 1999, and later I met her father that had worked for Wismut AG in East Germany 1947/58 producing Uranium to build Stalin's A-Bomb that exploded 1949. But Wismut AG was just Soviet propaganda from A to Z 1945/91.
I explain it all at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/bomb.htm . I am quite proud of the new layout of the site. I also support the US idea to explode an A-Bomb at the Nevada test site this autumn to show I am wrong.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on July 27, 2020, 10:17:28 AM
Yes, when I worked in Japan 1972/6 I met and worked with people from Hiroshima and Nagasaki that told me they survived the destruction 1945 of their towns and rebuilt them. No radiation. It was napalm.
Did they tell you that it was napalm, or did you tell them it was napalm?

Yes, I met a beautiful woman in a hotel bar at Mombasa, Kenya, 1999, and later I met her father that had worked for Wismut AG in East Germany 1947/58 producing Uranium to build Stalin's A-Bomb that exploded 1949. But Wismut AG was just Soviet propaganda from A to Z 1945/91.
Did she tell you that Wismut AG was just Soviet propaganda or did you tell her?

I am quite proud of the new layout of the site. I also support the US idea to explode an A-Bomb at the Nevada test site this autumn to show I am wrong.
Why do you think that you know what happened better than the locals who lived through those events?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 27, 2020, 11:51:10 AM
Yes, when I worked in Japan 1972/6 I met and worked with people from Hiroshima and Nagasaki that told me they survived the destruction 1945 of their towns and rebuilt them. No radiation. It was napalm.
Did they tell you that it was napalm, or did you tell them it was napalm?

Yes, I met a beautiful woman in a hotel bar at Mombasa, Kenya, 1999, and later I met her father that had worked for Wismut AG in East Germany 1947/58 producing Uranium to build Stalin's A-Bomb that exploded 1949. But Wismut AG was just Soviet propaganda from A to Z 1945/91.
Did she tell you that Wismut AG was just Soviet propaganda or did you tell her?

I am quite proud of the new layout of the site. I also support the US idea to explode an A-Bomb at the Nevada test site this autumn to show I am wrong.
Why do you think that you know what happened better than the locals who lived through those events?

Thanks for the questions. The answers are at my website.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on July 27, 2020, 12:07:16 PM
Yes, when I worked in Japan 1972/6 I met and worked with people from Hiroshima and Nagasaki that told me they survived the destruction 1945 of their towns and rebuilt them. No radiation. It was napalm.
Did they tell you that it was napalm, or did you tell them it was napalm?

Yes, I met a beautiful woman in a hotel bar at Mombasa, Kenya, 1999, and later I met her father that had worked for Wismut AG in East Germany 1947/58 producing Uranium to build Stalin's A-Bomb that exploded 1949. But Wismut AG was just Soviet propaganda from A to Z 1945/91.
Did she tell you that Wismut AG was just Soviet propaganda or did you tell her?

I am quite proud of the new layout of the site. I also support the US idea to explode an A-Bomb at the Nevada test site this autumn to show I am wrong.
Why do you think that you know what happened better than the locals who lived through those events?

Thanks for the questions. The answers are at my website.
I'm not asking about your website.  I'm asking you.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on July 27, 2020, 12:24:34 PM
It seems you agree what an orbit is. So any spacecraft taking off for a trip in space enters an orbit (around Earth). And for that you need energy. And let's face it, there is no rocket on Earth today that can provide that energy for a little trip to the Moon. Just do the calculations.

You are one to talk about calculations,you never provide ANY evidence other than you being dumbfounded how it could be possible, and declaring that a million people are involved in a vast conspiracy... because how could anything YOU don't understand POSSIBLY be real?

Couldn't at all be that you just can't understand it.  No, you are all knowing and the smartest man alive, or ever, clearly.

Can't be YOUR lack of understanding why the ENTIRE WORLD is a confusing mess to you.

Must be the conspiracy.

My evidence/calculations are at my website. Easy to check. But millions of people do not do any calculations or checks at all. They just believe what corrupt people/experts say and what media copy/trumpet as truth. You sound like one believing those lies - a-bombs, space travel, 911 Arabs, etc.

I'm not wading through your hundreds of pages of conspiracy theories trying to find your 'calculations' that prove space travel is a hoax.

If you have them, show them here.

You sound like one of those people who are delusional and think the entire world is lying to you because you can't understand simple concepts.  Yeah, much more likely that the entire world is full of corruption and conspiracies than maybe you are just a crazy conspiracy nut.
I am not in conspiracy theories.

Of course you are:

Definition of conspiracy theory
: a theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators

That aptly describes everything on your site. Why you would think otherwise is just more evidence of your delusions.

I am in the safety at sea biz since 1969. So I met plenty people involved with the Atomic Bomb manipulations (topic). One, Nobel Prize winner physics, had been asked to design/build a Swedish A-Bomb and agreed 1945! But he would publish all info. Not popular! It had to be secret. 1964 he advised me to avoid A-Bomb physics and I followed his advice. So I went to Japan to build ships and met people who had survived the A-Bomb attacks there 1945. The attacks were just napalm carpet bombings, I was told. Why not? 1999 a ship of mine broke down at Mombasa, Kenya, so I went there to fix it. At the hotel I met a beautiful woman in the bar. Chatting about various things I found out that here father had assisted Stalin, actually Ivan Serov, building a fake Soviet A-Bomb 1946/58. Or providing the uranium for it. Fake uranium!
Fascinating story - http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm

You met some people in Japan and a beautiful woman in a bar. That's your evidence? I've been to your site. There are no "calculations" just you saying more stuff like, "I met some people in Japan and a beautiful woman in a bar...." There's nothing on your site by way of evidence for anything. Just you spouting off about your complete and utter lack of understanding of just about everything.

If you have some evidence, post it here. Why you try and drive people back to your 1992-esque looking craptastic site filled the ramblings of someone not quite in touch, I'll never know.
Yes, when I worked in Japan 1972/6 I met and worked with people from Hiroshima and Nagasaki that told me they survived the destruction 1945 of their towns and rebuilt them. No radiation. It was napalm. Yes, I met a beautiful woman in a hotel bar at Mombasa, Kenya, 1999, and later I met her father that had worked for Wismut AG in East Germany 1947/58 producing Uranium to build Stalin's A-Bomb that exploded 1949. But Wismut AG was just Soviet propaganda from A to Z 1945/91.
I explain it all at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/bomb.htm . I am quite proud of the new layout of the site. I also support the US idea to explode an A-Bomb at the Nevada test site this autumn to show I am wrong.

None of your personal encounters with some Japanese folks and pretty woman telling you stories in a bar amount to anything nearing evidence. And your site is more of the same. No evidence.
Not to mention your site looks like some kid in 1992 just got his hands on HTML for Dummies and has zero usability or design skills. It's 2020. It is terrible. Beyond amateurish.

Why won't you ever answer anything here. Very specific questions are asked, like, "What calculations that disprove an atomic bomb?" You always just refer to your site. And there are none, no answers. Why not just answer the specific questions here?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: hoppy on July 27, 2020, 12:33:17 PM
Americans believe today 2020 that, some young, American heroes 1945 (75 years ago!) in a plane (1) dropped something like an Atomic Bomb from high altitude on Japan and then, that it, while falling down at increasing speed (2), exploded at 600 m altitude in a FLASH and seconds later (3) everything below it was vaporized killing everyone there, except (4) some poor survivors that could testify about everything (and the plane above). This fairy tale is worse than this Covid-19 hoax that 75 years later keeps media busy. I explain why at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/bomb.htm
What total garbage you spout! Heiwa you are an an idiot if you think anyone believes you!
If you think COVID-19 is a hoax what caused the 633000 deaths so far?

All you have at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/bomb.htm is proof that you don't have the brains to to understand!
Heiwa is right about the virus and the bombs.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on July 27, 2020, 01:50:35 PM
Americans believe today 2020 that, some young, American heroes 1945 (75 years ago!) in a plane (1) dropped something like an Atomic Bomb from high altitude on Japan and then, that it, while falling down at increasing speed (2), exploded at 600 m altitude in a FLASH and seconds later (3) everything below it was vaporized killing everyone there, except (4) some poor survivors that could testify about everything (and the plane above). This fairy tale is worse than this Covid-19 hoax that 75 years later keeps media busy. I explain why at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/bomb.htm
What total garbage you spout! Heiwa you are an an idiot if you think anyone believes you!
If you think COVID-19 is a hoax what caused the 633000 deaths so far?

All you have at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/bomb.htm is proof that you don't have the brains to to understand!
Heiwa is right about the virus and the bombs.

And your evidence is....?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 27, 2020, 07:13:01 PM
It seems you agree what an orbit is. So any spacecraft taking off for a trip in space enters an orbit (around Earth). And for that you need energy. And let's face it, there is no rocket on Earth today that can provide that energy for a little trip to the Moon. Just do the calculations.

You are one to talk about calculations,you never provide ANY evidence other than you being dumbfounded how it could be possible, and declaring that a million people are involved in a vast conspiracy... because how could anything YOU don't understand POSSIBLY be real?

Couldn't at all be that you just can't understand it.  No, you are all knowing and the smartest man alive, or ever, clearly.

Can't be YOUR lack of understanding why the ENTIRE WORLD is a confusing mess to you.

Must be the conspiracy.

My evidence/calculations are at my website. Easy to check. But millions of people do not do any calculations or checks at all. They just believe what corrupt people/experts say and what media copy/trumpet as truth. You sound like one believing those lies - a-bombs, space travel, 911 Arabs, etc.

I'm not wading through your hundreds of pages of conspiracy theories trying to find your 'calculations' that prove space travel is a hoax.

If you have them, show them here.

You sound like one of those people who are delusional and think the entire world is lying to you because you can't understand simple concepts.  Yeah, much more likely that the entire world is full of corruption and conspiracies than maybe you are just a crazy conspiracy nut.
I am not in conspiracy theories.

Of course you are:

Definition of conspiracy theory
: a theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators

That aptly describes everything on your site. Why you would think otherwise is just more evidence of your delusions.

I am in the safety at sea biz since 1969. So I met plenty people involved with the Atomic Bomb manipulations (topic). One, Nobel Prize winner physics, had been asked to design/build a Swedish A-Bomb and agreed 1945! But he would publish all info. Not popular! It had to be secret. 1964 he advised me to avoid A-Bomb physics and I followed his advice. So I went to Japan to build ships and met people who had survived the A-Bomb attacks there 1945. The attacks were just napalm carpet bombings, I was told. Why not? 1999 a ship of mine broke down at Mombasa, Kenya, so I went there to fix it. At the hotel I met a beautiful woman in the bar. Chatting about various things I found out that here father had assisted Stalin, actually Ivan Serov, building a fake Soviet A-Bomb 1946/58. Or providing the uranium for it. Fake uranium!
Fascinating story - http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm

You met some people in Japan and a beautiful woman in a bar. That's your evidence? I've been to your site. There are no "calculations" just you saying more stuff like, "I met some people in Japan and a beautiful woman in a bar...." There's nothing on your site by way of evidence for anything. Just you spouting off about your complete and utter lack of understanding of just about everything.

If you have some evidence, post it here. Why you try and drive people back to your 1992-esque looking craptastic site filled the ramblings of someone not quite in touch, I'll never know.
Yes, when I worked in Japan 1972/6 I met and worked with people from Hiroshima and Nagasaki that told me they survived the destruction 1945 of their towns and rebuilt them. No radiation. It was napalm. Yes, I met a beautiful woman in a hotel bar at Mombasa, Kenya, 1999, and later I met her father that had worked for Wismut AG in East Germany 1947/58 producing Uranium to build Stalin's A-Bomb that exploded 1949. But Wismut AG was just Soviet propaganda from A to Z 1945/91.
I explain it all at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/bomb.htm . I am quite proud of the new layout of the site. I also support the US idea to explode an A-Bomb at the Nevada test site this autumn to show I am wrong.

None of your personal encounters with some Japanese folks and pretty woman telling you stories in a bar amount to anything nearing evidence. And your site is more of the same. No evidence.
Not to mention your site looks like some kid in 1992 just got his hands on HTML for Dummies and has zero usability or design skills. It's 2020. It is terrible. Beyond amateurish.

Why won't you ever answer anything here. Very specific questions are asked, like, "What calculations that disprove an atomic bomb?" You always just refer to your site. And there are none, no answers. Why not just answer the specific questions here?

Well, the Japanese (1973) and the woman (1999) I met, with their personal experience of nuclear weapons, gave me moral support of my findings (that nuclear bombs do not exist).
And I never forget my discussion 1964 with Nobel Prize winner (physics) Siegbahn about what to study to make a living. He didn't recommend physics and nuclear weapons (and rocket) design and such military nonsense. Siegbahn had been asked to make a Swedish nuclear bomb back in 1945 and agreed (!!) subject to all details becoming public. The Swedish government required absolute secrecy for all sorts of reasons (national security?) so Siegbahn never built a Swedish a-bomb. Later it was hinted that some Swedish 'experts' had built a working a-bomb in the 50's but ... no details. And in the 1960's the Swedish government abandoned the idea.
I have not found any evidence that nuclear weapons work. Just fake photos of alleged nuclear explosions in secret remote locations. I have asked plenty Swedish nuclear physicists to tell me how to detonate a nuclear weapon. Nobody could reply even if I offered them €1M.
It seems Adolf Hitler (!) of all politicians already 1939/41 found out that a-bombs never worked, so he decided not to build any to conquer the world and wipe out his enemies. Just study my website http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm about it.
Most US a-bomb designers 1942/5 were Germans or German trained, probably out of job with Adolf?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on July 28, 2020, 03:52:18 AM
I am not in conspiracy theories.

You are in deep denial.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 28, 2020, 05:09:49 AM
I am not in conspiracy theories.

You are in deep denial.
What? Me? http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on July 28, 2020, 08:48:11 AM
I am not in conspiracy theories.

You are in deep denial.
What? Me? http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm

Yes.  Claiming you're not a conspiracy theorist and then repeatedly posting a link to your site FULL of conspiracy theories.  ::)

That's denial of the highest order.

You need more fonts, colors and blinking test if you want your site to be as entertaining as Time Cube. 
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on July 28, 2020, 09:44:14 AM
Yes, when I worked in Japan 1972/6 I met and worked with people from Hiroshima and Nagasaki that told me they survived the destruction 1945 of their towns and rebuilt them. No radiation. It was napalm.
Did they tell you that it was napalm, or did you tell them it was napalm?

Yes, I met a beautiful woman in a hotel bar at Mombasa, Kenya, 1999, and later I met her father that had worked for Wismut AG in East Germany 1947/58 producing Uranium to build Stalin's A-Bomb that exploded 1949. But Wismut AG was just Soviet propaganda from A to Z 1945/91.
Did she tell you that Wismut AG was just Soviet propaganda or did you tell her?

I am quite proud of the new layout of the site. I also support the US idea to explode an A-Bomb at the Nevada test site this autumn to show I am wrong.
Why do you think that you know what happened better than the locals who lived through those events?

Thanks for the questions. The answers are at my website.
I'm not asking about your website.  I'm asking you.

Heiwa doesn't know anything.  That's why he always directs people to his website.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 28, 2020, 02:12:17 PM
Yes, when I worked in Japan 1972/6 I met and worked with people from Hiroshima and Nagasaki that told me they survived the destruction 1945 of their towns and rebuilt them. No radiation. It was napalm.
Did they tell you that it was napalm, or did you tell them it was napalm?

Yes, I met a beautiful woman in a hotel bar at Mombasa, Kenya, 1999, and later I met her father that had worked for Wismut AG in East Germany 1947/58 producing Uranium to build Stalin's A-Bomb that exploded 1949. But Wismut AG was just Soviet propaganda from A to Z 1945/91.
Did she tell you that Wismut AG was just Soviet propaganda or did you tell her?

I am quite proud of the new layout of the site. I also support the US idea to explode an A-Bomb at the Nevada test site this autumn to show I am wrong.
Why do you think that you know what happened better than the locals who lived through those events?

Thanks for the questions. The answers are at my website.
I'm not asking about your website.  I'm asking you.

Heiwa doesn't know anything.  That's why he always directs people to his website.
I know a lot. It is all at my popular website.
Do you have a website?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on July 28, 2020, 02:14:47 PM
Yes, when I worked in Japan 1972/6 I met and worked with people from Hiroshima and Nagasaki that told me they survived the destruction 1945 of their towns and rebuilt them. No radiation. It was napalm.
Did they tell you that it was napalm, or did you tell them it was napalm?

Yes, I met a beautiful woman in a hotel bar at Mombasa, Kenya, 1999, and later I met her father that had worked for Wismut AG in East Germany 1947/58 producing Uranium to build Stalin's A-Bomb that exploded 1949. But Wismut AG was just Soviet propaganda from A to Z 1945/91.
Did she tell you that Wismut AG was just Soviet propaganda or did you tell her?

I am quite proud of the new layout of the site. I also support the US idea to explode an A-Bomb at the Nevada test site this autumn to show I am wrong.
Why do you think that you know what happened better than the locals who lived through those events?

Thanks for the questions. The answers are at my website.
I'm not asking about your website.  I'm asking you.

Heiwa doesn't know anything.  That's why he always directs people to his website.
I know a lot. It is all at my popular website.
Do you have a website?

You know a lot of conspiracy theories.

You know a lot of wrong things.

You seem to think having a website makes you an expert.

I'm guessing plenty of people here have websites, many more popular than yours.

You might not want to know why your site is popular...

https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/176515-link-me-to-the-dumbest-stupidest-and-most-cancerous-things-you-can-find-here/&tab=comments#comment-3413513

https://www.reddit.com/r/CrappyDesign/comments/51vlcq/this_conspiracy_theory_website/

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/questions/LDl6U5fe/atom_bombs_do_not_work.html

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 28, 2020, 08:23:07 PM
According Wikipedia a conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful groups, often political in motivation, when other explanations are more probable.

My website is not about conspiracy theories. It is about safety at sea and some strange incidents of ships sinking for mysterious reasons and not simple loss of buoyancy due to sabotage. The people investigating the incidents at sea were just paid to hide the real cause.

I have added some other mysteries like nuclear weapons that do not work since 1945, actors playing asstronuts in space since 1958, towers that collapse at NYC due to Arabs landing planes in the tops 2001 and this virus killing all of us right now, etc. Only idiots believe in these matters due to simple manipulations of their brains.  No conspiracy at all.

PS – The solution to protect yourself against the virus is to carry a mask and to get vaccinated.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on July 29, 2020, 12:27:02 AM
According Wikipedia a conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful groups, often political in motivation, when other explanations are more probable.

My website is not about conspiracy theories. It is about safety at sea and some strange incidents of ships sinking for mysterious reasons and not simple loss of buoyancy due to sabotage. The people investigating the incidents at sea were just paid to hide the real cause.

I have added some other mysteries like nuclear weapons that do not work since 1945, actors playing asstronuts in space since 1958, towers that collapse at NYC due to Arabs landing planes in the tops 2001 and this virus killing all of us right now, etc. Only idiots believe in these matters due to simple manipulations of their brains.  No conspiracy at all.

PS – The solution to protect yourself against the virus is to carry a mask and to get vaccinated.

Are you high?

Everything on your site fits the definition of conspiracy theories to a tee?

9/11 - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group
Apollo - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group
A-Bombs - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group
Virus -The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group

How is your interpretation even remotely different than the definition?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on July 29, 2020, 01:00:38 AM
Another oddity



0:20

We hear both sound and explosion in same time. Isn't sound slower?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on July 29, 2020, 01:16:48 AM
Another oddity



0:20

We hear both sound and explosion in same time. Isn't sound slower?

How is it an oddity? Do you think the tense music was playing somewhere, somehow, in the background when the footage was shot? The music, boom, jet sounds, all added to the footage. Otherwise it would be just a silent reel, not overly captivating, except visually.

And visually, yeah, that's a mighty huge explosion that Heiwa thinks can come from a chemical bomb of some sort. Though he has never presented any evidence of what could make a non-atomic bomb look as horrifically massive as footage like this.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 29, 2020, 02:21:00 AM
According Wikipedia a conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful groups, often political in motivation, when other explanations are more probable.

My website is not about conspiracy theories. It is about safety at sea and some strange incidents of ships sinking for mysterious reasons and not simple loss of buoyancy due to sabotage. The people investigating the incidents at sea were just paid to hide the real cause.

I have added some other mysteries like nuclear weapons that do not work since 1945, actors playing asstronuts in space since 1958, towers that collapse at NYC due to Arabs landing planes in the tops 2001 and this virus killing all of us right now, etc. Only idiots believe in these matters due to simple manipulations of their brains.  No conspiracy at all.

PS – The solution to protect yourself against the virus is to carry a mask and to get vaccinated.

Are you high?

Everything on your site fits the definition of conspiracy theories to a tee?

9/11 - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group
Apollo - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group
A-Bombs - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group
Virus -The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group

How is your interpretation even remotely different than the definition?

Well, A-bombs were invented to stop WW2 in the Far East 1945 allowing the Japanese emperor to remain on the throne. It was a US/Japan agreement and not really a sinister conspiracy. It stopped a war. But nukes became good biz afterwards.
Apollo 1969 was just to make JFK happy and to entertain the Americans. Not a sinister conspiracy. It was good Hollywood entertainment with rockets taking off, etc.
911 2001! Well the towers were full of asbestos, worthless and thus blown up. It was a typical insurance fraud! Not a sinister conspiracy. And a good excuse for USA to attack Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, etc. Happens all the time!
The VIRUS 2020? Plenty politicians/experts scare us that we will all die due to it. But where I live the hospital is empty and all is almost normal and I haven't seen any virus. But I agree, media reports that many other countries are hard hit and all people there will die there soon. Conspiracy? I wonder what the purpose can be? Sell vaccine?
Anyway, don't call me a conspiracy theorist.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on July 29, 2020, 04:58:53 AM
According Wikipedia a conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful groups, often political in motivation, when other explanations are more probable.

My website is not about conspiracy theories. It is about safety at sea and some strange incidents of ships sinking for mysterious reasons and not simple loss of buoyancy due to sabotage. The people investigating the incidents at sea were just paid to hide the real cause.

I have added some other mysteries like nuclear weapons that do not work since 1945, actors playing asstronuts in space since 1958, towers that collapse at NYC due to Arabs landing planes in the tops 2001 and this virus killing all of us right now, etc. Only idiots believe in these matters due to simple manipulations of their brains.  No conspiracy at all.

PS – The solution to protect yourself against the virus is to carry a mask and to get vaccinated.

Are you high?

Everything on your site fits the definition of conspiracy theories to a tee?

9/11 - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group
Apollo - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group
A-Bombs - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group
Virus -The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group

How is your interpretation even remotely different than the definition?

Well, A-bombs were invented to stop WW2 in the Far East 1945 allowing the Japanese emperor to remain on the throne. It was a US/Japan agreement and not really a sinister conspiracy. It stopped a war. But nukes became good biz afterwards.
Apollo 1969 was just to make JFK happy and to entertain the Americans. Not a sinister conspiracy. It was good Hollywood entertainment with rockets taking off, etc.
911 2001! Well the towers were full of asbestos, worthless and thus blown up. It was a typical insurance fraud! Not a sinister conspiracy. And a good excuse for USA to attack Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, etc. Happens all the time!
The VIRUS 2020? Plenty politicians/experts scare us that we will all die due to it. But where I live the hospital is empty and all is almost normal and I haven't seen any virus. But I agree, media reports that many other countries are hard hit and all people there will die there soon. Conspiracy? I wonder what the purpose can be? Sell vaccine?
Anyway, don't call me a conspiracy theorist.

Those are all conspiracy theories, and your explanations are even more conspiracies.

You are a conspiracy theorist.  Your ability to deny reality extends to your own delusions.

If you don't want to be called a conspiracy theorist, stop pushing a web site filled with a massive list of conspiracy theories.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 29, 2020, 06:47:44 AM
According Wikipedia a conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful groups, often political in motivation, when other explanations are more probable.

My website is not about conspiracy theories. It is about safety at sea and some strange incidents of ships sinking for mysterious reasons and not simple loss of buoyancy due to sabotage. The people investigating the incidents at sea were just paid to hide the real cause.

I have added some other mysteries like nuclear weapons that do not work since 1945, actors playing asstronuts in space since 1958, towers that collapse at NYC due to Arabs landing planes in the tops 2001 and this virus killing all of us right now, etc. Only idiots believe in these matters due to simple manipulations of their brains.  No conspiracy at all.

PS – The solution to protect yourself against the virus is to carry a mask and to get vaccinated.

Are you high?

Everything on your site fits the definition of conspiracy theories to a tee?

9/11 - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group
Apollo - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group
A-Bombs - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group
Virus -The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group

How is your interpretation even remotely different than the definition?

Well, A-bombs were invented to stop WW2 in the Far East 1945 allowing the Japanese emperor to remain on the throne. It was a US/Japan agreement and not really a sinister conspiracy. It stopped a war. But nukes became good biz afterwards.
Apollo 1969 was just to make JFK happy and to entertain the Americans. Not a sinister conspiracy. It was good Hollywood entertainment with rockets taking off, etc.
911 2001! Well the towers were full of asbestos, worthless and thus blown up. It was a typical insurance fraud! Not a sinister conspiracy. And a good excuse for USA to attack Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, etc. Happens all the time!
The VIRUS 2020? Plenty politicians/experts scare us that we will all die due to it. But where I live the hospital is empty and all is almost normal and I haven't seen any virus. But I agree, media reports that many other countries are hard hit and all people there will die there soon. Conspiracy? I wonder what the purpose can be? Sell vaccine?
Anyway, don't call me a conspiracy theorist.

Those are all conspiracy theories, and your explanations are even more conspiracies.

You are a conspiracy theorist.  Your ability to deny reality extends to your own delusions.

If you don't want to be called a conspiracy theorist, stop pushing a web site filled with a massive list of conspiracy theories.

Nuclear weapons are absolutely necessary for US national security, I am told, and thus not a conspiracy theory. Plenty Americans love nuclear weapons and are proud to have them. One reason is that they can destroy the enemy and everything massively. Imagine that. I just suggest that they are propaganda to scare people and do not really exist. They cannot explode and hurt anyone. My webpage about the nonsense is quite popular.

When comrade Gorbatchow became ruler of the Soviet Union in the middle of the 1980’s he thought he was in control of atomic bombs, etc. He became very confused when told they didn’t exist, so the older members of the Soviet government had to call on comrade Ivan Serov to tell Gorbatchow the real situation. Serov confirmed that communist a-bombs and Moon rockets were just old Stalin propaganda to keep the people happy and the enemy scared. Serov recommended Gorbatchow just to lie about them as usual when discussing with Potus Reagan and French president Mitterrand as the Russian and French nukes and rockets didn’t work either. Soon after USSR collapsed completely 1991. Only the nukes and rockets survived. Russian president Putin just carries on the manipulations today. Putin learnt everything from Serov.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 29, 2020, 10:09:54 AM
And let me guess......
You know all this because some lady you met at the pub told you?
Or is it that the governments of the world choose to share their state secrets with a fraudulent safety at sea nobody.
Wrong.
Due to my popular website + worldwide travel everywhere  I meet all sorts of people. I have an interesting life.
A friend of Serov told me a lot.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on July 29, 2020, 10:19:30 AM
According Wikipedia a conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful groups, often political in motivation, when other explanations are more probable.

My website is not about conspiracy theories. It is about safety at sea and some strange incidents of ships sinking for mysterious reasons and not simple loss of buoyancy due to sabotage. The people investigating the incidents at sea were just paid to hide the real cause.

I have added some other mysteries like nuclear weapons that do not work since 1945, actors playing asstronuts in space since 1958, towers that collapse at NYC due to Arabs landing planes in the tops 2001 and this virus killing all of us right now, etc. Only idiots believe in these matters due to simple manipulations of their brains.  No conspiracy at all.

PS – The solution to protect yourself against the virus is to carry a mask and to get vaccinated.

Are you high?

Everything on your site fits the definition of conspiracy theories to a tee?

9/11 - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group
Apollo - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group
A-Bombs - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group
Virus -The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group

How is your interpretation even remotely different than the definition?

Well, A-bombs were invented to stop WW2 in the Far East 1945 allowing the Japanese emperor to remain on the throne. It was a US/Japan agreement and not really a sinister conspiracy. It stopped a war. But nukes became good biz afterwards.
Apollo 1969 was just to make JFK happy and to entertain the Americans. Not a sinister conspiracy. It was good Hollywood entertainment with rockets taking off, etc.
911 2001! Well the towers were full of asbestos, worthless and thus blown up. It was a typical insurance fraud! Not a sinister conspiracy. And a good excuse for USA to attack Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, etc. Happens all the time!
The VIRUS 2020? Plenty politicians/experts scare us that we will all die due to it. But where I live the hospital is empty and all is almost normal and I haven't seen any virus. But I agree, media reports that many other countries are hard hit and all people there will die there soon. Conspiracy? I wonder what the purpose can be? Sell vaccine?
Anyway, don't call me a conspiracy theorist.

Those are all conspiracy theories, and your explanations are even more conspiracies.

You are a conspiracy theorist.  Your ability to deny reality extends to your own delusions.

If you don't want to be called a conspiracy theorist, stop pushing a web site filled with a massive list of conspiracy theories.

Nuclear weapons are absolutely necessary for US national security, I am told, and thus not a conspiracy theory. Plenty Americans love nuclear weapons and are proud to have them. One reason is that they can destroy the enemy and everything massively. Imagine that. I just suggest that they are propaganda to scare people and do not really exist. They cannot explode and hurt anyone. My webpage about the nonsense is quite popular.

When comrade Gorbatchow became ruler of the Soviet Union in the middle of the 1980’s he thought he was in control of atomic bombs, etc. He became very confused when told they didn’t exist, so the older members of the Soviet government had to call on comrade Ivan Serov to tell Gorbatchow the real situation. Serov confirmed that communist a-bombs and Moon rockets were just old Stalin propaganda to keep the people happy and the enemy scared. Serov recommended Gorbatchow just to lie about them as usual when discussing with Potus Reagan and French president Mitterrand as the Russian and French nukes and rockets didn’t work either. Soon after USSR collapsed completely 1991. Only the nukes and rockets survived. Russian president Putin just carries on the manipulations today. Putin learnt everything from Serov.

What you just wrote is called... a conspiracy theory.  Sure, someone told you all these things, and that's how conspiracy theories spread. You are continuing to spread them here, and on your site full of conspiracy theories.

You are a conspiracy theorist.

Maybe you should read up on them to understand why.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on July 29, 2020, 11:16:10 AM
A friend of Serov told me a lot.
How do you know that what he told you was true and not just more Communist propaganda and misinformation?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 29, 2020, 11:43:17 AM
A friend of Serov told me a lot.
How do you know that what he told you was true and not just more Communist propaganda and misinformation?
Well, I knew his daughter and wife and he sounded truthful. I explain all at my website.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on July 29, 2020, 11:55:19 AM
A friend of Serov told me a lot.
How do you know that what he told you was true and not just more Communist propaganda and misinformation?
Well, I knew his daughter and wife and he sounded truthful. I explain all at my website.
Good propaganda and misinformation always sounds truthful, especially when it reinforces your own preconceptions. 
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 29, 2020, 01:37:23 PM
A friend of Serov told me a lot.
How do you know that what he told you was true and not just more Communist propaganda and misinformation?
Well, I knew his daughter and wife and he sounded truthful. I explain all at my website.
Good propaganda and misinformation always sounds truthful, especially when it reinforces your own preconceptions.
Well, you have opinions about anything. You ask a question. I answer. You insult me. Does it make you happy? You sound being unhappy. Get some fresh air.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on July 29, 2020, 02:14:25 PM
A friend of Serov told me a lot.
How do you know that what he told you was true and not just more Communist propaganda and misinformation?
Well, I knew his daughter and wife and he sounded truthful. I explain all at my website.
Good propaganda and misinformation always sounds truthful, especially when it reinforces your own preconceptions.
Well, you have opinions about anything. You ask a question. I answer. You insult me. Does it make you happy? You sound being unhappy. Get some fresh air.

Who wouldn't be unhappy at someone spreading conspiracy theories and propaganda and falsehoods, and claiming they are true because 'some guy' told them to you.

You believe every crazy conspiracy theory you hear but somehow manage to deny everything that's real.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on July 29, 2020, 03:04:24 PM
A friend of Serov told me a lot.
How do you know that what he told you was true and not just more Communist propaganda and misinformation?
Well, I knew his daughter and wife and he sounded truthful. I explain all at my website.
Good propaganda and misinformation always sounds truthful, especially when it reinforces your own preconceptions.
Well, you have opinions about anything. You ask a question. I answer. You insult me. Does it make you happy? You sound being unhappy. Get some fresh air.
It would make me happy if you answer the questions that I ask rather than rambling on about random things that rattle around in your head.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on July 29, 2020, 09:33:14 PM
According Wikipedia a conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful groups, often political in motivation, when other explanations are more probable.

My website is not about conspiracy theories. It is about safety at sea and some strange incidents of ships sinking for mysterious reasons and not simple loss of buoyancy due to sabotage. The people investigating the incidents at sea were just paid to hide the real cause.

I have added some other mysteries like nuclear weapons that do not work since 1945, actors playing asstronuts in space since 1958, towers that collapse at NYC due to Arabs landing planes in the tops 2001 and this virus killing all of us right now, etc. Only idiots believe in these matters due to simple manipulations of their brains.  No conspiracy at all.

PS – The solution to protect yourself against the virus is to carry a mask and to get vaccinated.

Are you high?

Everything on your site fits the definition of conspiracy theories to a tee?

9/11 - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group
Apollo - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group
A-Bombs - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group
Virus -The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group

How is your interpretation even remotely different than the definition?

Well, A-bombs were invented to stop WW2 in the Far East 1945 allowing the Japanese emperor to remain on the throne. It was a US/Japan agreement and not really a sinister conspiracy. It stopped a war. But nukes became good biz afterwards.
Apollo 1969 was just to make JFK happy and to entertain the Americans. Not a sinister conspiracy. It was good Hollywood entertainment with rockets taking off, etc.
911 2001! Well the towers were full of asbestos, worthless and thus blown up. It was a typical insurance fraud! Not a sinister conspiracy. And a good excuse for USA to attack Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, etc. Happens all the time!
The VIRUS 2020? Plenty politicians/experts scare us that we will all die due to it. But where I live the hospital is empty and all is almost normal and I haven't seen any virus. But I agree, media reports that many other countries are hard hit and all people there will die there soon. Conspiracy? I wonder what the purpose can be? Sell vaccine?
Anyway, don't call me a conspiracy theorist.

Like I said before, you fit the absolute and pure definition of a conspiracy theorist.

9/11 - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group = conspiracy theory
Apollo - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group = conspiracy theory
A-Bombs - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group = conspiracy theory
Virus -The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group = conspiracy theory

For instance:

"Moon landing conspiracy theories claim that some or all elements of the Apollo program and the associated Moon landings were hoaxes staged by NASA, possibly with the aid of other organizations."

"The most prominent conspiracy theory is that the collapse of the Twin Towers and 7 World Trade Center were the result of controlled demolitions rather than structural failure due to impact and fire."

See? Conspiracy theories. Period.

There is literally no way around not being one. Sorry, but you've chosen this path and your only path has been that the official story of any of these is perpetuated by a group that has to be very powerful, for sinister reasons or otherwise, to hide and keep hidden from the entire worlds population what you think the real truth is. Meaning, you are a 200%, through and through, a conspiracy theorist.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 29, 2020, 10:28:11 PM
According Wikipedia a conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful groups, often political in motivation, when other explanations are more probable.

My website is not about conspiracy theories. It is about safety at sea and some strange incidents of ships sinking for mysterious reasons and not simple loss of buoyancy due to sabotage. The people investigating the incidents at sea were just paid to hide the real cause.

I have added some other mysteries like nuclear weapons that do not work since 1945, actors playing asstronuts in space since 1958, towers that collapse at NYC due to Arabs landing planes in the tops 2001 and this virus killing all of us right now, etc. Only idiots believe in these matters due to simple manipulations of their brains.  No conspiracy at all.

PS – The solution to protect yourself against the virus is to carry a mask and to get vaccinated.

Are you high?

Everything on your site fits the definition of conspiracy theories to a tee?

9/11 - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group
Apollo - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group
A-Bombs - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group
Virus -The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group

How is your interpretation even remotely different than the definition?

Well, A-bombs were invented to stop WW2 in the Far East 1945 allowing the Japanese emperor to remain on the throne. It was a US/Japan agreement and not really a sinister conspiracy. It stopped a war. But nukes became good biz afterwards.
Apollo 1969 was just to make JFK happy and to entertain the Americans. Not a sinister conspiracy. It was good Hollywood entertainment with rockets taking off, etc.
911 2001! Well the towers were full of asbestos, worthless and thus blown up. It was a typical insurance fraud! Not a sinister conspiracy. And a good excuse for USA to attack Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, etc. Happens all the time!
The VIRUS 2020? Plenty politicians/experts scare us that we will all die due to it. But where I live the hospital is empty and all is almost normal and I haven't seen any virus. But I agree, media reports that many other countries are hard hit and all people there will die there soon. Conspiracy? I wonder what the purpose can be? Sell vaccine?
Anyway, don't call me a conspiracy theorist.

Like I said before, you fit the absolute and pure definition of a conspiracy theorist.

9/11 - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group = conspiracy theory
Apollo - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group = conspiracy theory
A-Bombs - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group = conspiracy theory
Virus -The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group = conspiracy theory

For instance:

"Moon landing conspiracy theories claim that some or all elements of the Apollo program and the associated Moon landings were hoaxes staged by NASA, possibly with the aid of other organizations."

"The most prominent conspiracy theory is that the collapse of the Twin Towers and 7 World Trade Center were the result of controlled demolitions rather than structural failure due to impact and fire."

See? Conspiracy theories. Period.

There is literally no way around not being one. Sorry, but you've chosen this path and your only path has been that the official story of any of these is perpetuated by a group that has to be very powerful, for sinister reasons or otherwise, to hide and keep hidden from the entire worlds population what you think the real truth is. Meaning, you are a 200%, through and through, a conspiracy theorist.
No conspiracies
9/11 - Insurance fraud by a powerful group = pure crime. USA/GWB attacks terrorists at  Afghanistan and Iraq and loses. US experts think top of structures can drop and make bottom into dust.
Apollo - Hollywood style entertainment ordered by Potus JFK = pure nonsense.
A-Bombs - Propaganda to quickly stop the war in the Far East 1945 = good military tactic. USA forgot to call it off.
Virus - known experts think it will kill us all - 100% - pandemic style while in reality 99.98% survives = the experts are wrong.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 29, 2020, 10:35:52 PM
A friend of Serov told me a lot.
How do you know that what he told you was true and not just more Communist propaganda and misinformation?
Well, I knew his daughter and wife and he sounded truthful. I explain all at my website.
Good propaganda and misinformation always sounds truthful, especially when it reinforces your own preconceptions.
Well, you have opinions about anything. You ask a question. I answer. You insult me. Does it make you happy? You sound being unhappy. Get some fresh air.
It would make me happy if you answer the questions that I ask rather than rambling on about random things that rattle around in your head.
Well, I repaired a ship at Mombasa, Kenya 1999 and met a woman whose father had assisted Stalin, or a Mr. Serov,  to build a fake a-bomb 1948/58. I checked the info and it appeared correct. Same woman agreed with me that the ship M/S Estonia sank due to sabotage 1994. And we watched - on TV - how the WTC at NY was destroyed by explosives 2001. I explain it at my website http://heiwaco.com .
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on July 30, 2020, 05:36:58 AM
A friend of Serov told me a lot.
How do you know that what he told you was true and not just more Communist propaganda and misinformation?
Well, I knew his daughter and wife and he sounded truthful. I explain all at my website.
Good propaganda and misinformation always sounds truthful, especially when it reinforces your own preconceptions.
Well, you have opinions about anything. You ask a question. I answer. You insult me. Does it make you happy? You sound being unhappy. Get some fresh air.
It would make me happy if you answer the questions that I ask rather than rambling on about random things that rattle around in your head.
Well, I repaired a ship at Mombasa, Kenya 1999 and met a woman whose father had assisted Stalin, or a Mr. Serov,  to build a fake a-bomb 1948/58. I checked the info and it appeared correct. Same woman agreed with me that the ship M/S Estonia sank due to sabotage 1994. And we watched - on TV - how the WTC at NY was destroyed by explosives 2001. I explain it at my website http://heiwaco.com .

What was the name of the ship you repaired?  You remember all the other minute details very well, the name of the ship should easily be remembered.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 30, 2020, 06:14:57 AM
A friend of Serov told me a lot.
How do you know that what he told you was true and not just more Communist propaganda and misinformation?
Well, I knew his daughter and wife and he sounded truthful. I explain all at my website.
Good propaganda and misinformation always sounds truthful, especially when it reinforces your own preconceptions.
Well, you have opinions about anything. You ask a question. I answer. You insult me. Does it make you happy? You sound being unhappy. Get some fresh air.
It would make me happy if you answer the questions that I ask rather than rambling on about random things that rattle around in your head.
Well, I repaired a ship at Mombasa, Kenya 1999 and met a woman whose father had assisted Stalin, or a Mr. Serov,  to build a fake a-bomb 1948/58. I checked the info and it appeared correct. Same woman agreed with me that the ship M/S Estonia sank due to sabotage 1994. And we watched - on TV - how the WTC at NY was destroyed by explosives 2001. I explain it at my website http://heiwaco.com .

What was the name of the ship you repaired?  You remember all the other minute details very well, the name of the ship should easily be remembered.
Of course I remember the name of the ship. Just ask the harbor master. She, the passenger ship, was old, royal something. Her major problem was the sewage system. One of my specialties. So I fixed it. The bulgarian crew didn't like the engine room to be filled with shit. Nor the Greek deck/engine officers. Mixed crew. Worked fine on the east African coast.

Anyway from 07.00 am until 05.00 pm I had fun at the repair shipyard and then I returned to play tennis at the hotel. And there, after tennis, in the bar I spotted E. What a woman!! Her father assisted Stalin/Serov to build nuclear weapons!!!!!!! Topic.

You'll know more by reading the book of my life I am writing when I am not working. It will be a good book.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 30, 2020, 06:26:43 AM
Can you tell us the name of the harbor master so we can ask him the name of the ship, or just answer the question without your usual sewage (of which you are a self proclaimed specialist)
No, you have to ask the agent looking after the ship in the port. I was there just to assist repairing it and approve the costs. It was >20 years ago. I just record my findings at http://heiwaco.com .
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on July 30, 2020, 06:32:37 AM
No conspiracies
9/11 - Insurance fraud by a powerful group = pure crime. USA/GWB attacks terrorists at  Afghanistan and Iraq and loses. US experts think top of structures can drop and make bottom into dust.
Apollo - Hollywood style entertainment ordered by Potus JFK = pure nonsense.
A-Bombs - Propaganda to quickly stop the war in the Far East 1945 = good military tactic. USA forgot to call it off.
Virus - known experts think it will kill us all - 100% - pandemic style while in reality 99.98% survives = the experts are wrong.
If more than one person is involved in the planning of a crime, then that is pretty much the definition of a conspiracy.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on July 30, 2020, 08:07:03 AM
Well, I repaired a ship at Mombasa, Kenya 1999 and met a woman whose father had assisted Stalin, or a Mr. Serov,  to build a fake a-bomb 1948/58. I checked the info and it appeared correct. Same woman agreed with me that the ship M/S Estonia sank due to sabotage 1994. And we watched - on TV - how the WTC at NY was destroyed by explosives 2001. I explain it at my website http://heiwaco.com .

So all your conspiracies are true because you met some woman who agreed with you?

It's not too hard to believe you met another conspiracy theorist. Who just happened to watch 9/11 with you after confirming all of your other conspiracy theories. That's a little harder to swallow.

Too many people saw the planes hit for it to be a hoax.  No explosive residue was ever found.  You can keep denying you are pushing conspiracy theories, but that's exactly what this is.  You can claim it was for insurance fraud AND to start a war, but that only makes it meet the definition more.

The world is filled with enough terrible people and things, no need to invent more of them.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 30, 2020, 10:01:30 AM
Well, I repaired a ship at Mombasa, Kenya 1999 and met a woman whose father had assisted Stalin, or a Mr. Serov,  to build a fake a-bomb 1948/58. I checked the info and it appeared correct. Same woman agreed with me that the ship M/S Estonia sank due to sabotage 1994. And we watched - on TV - how the WTC at NY was destroyed by explosives 2001. I explain it at my website http://heiwaco.com .

So all your conspiracies are true because you met some woman who agreed with you?

It's not too hard to believe you met another conspiracy theorist. Who just happened to watch 9/11 with you after confirming all of your other conspiracy theories. That's a little harder to swallow.

Too many people saw the planes hit for it to be a hoax.  No explosive residue was ever found.  You can keep denying you are pushing conspiracy theories, but that's exactly what this is.  You can claim it was for insurance fraud AND to start a war, but that only makes it meet the definition more.

The world is filled with enough terrible people and things, no need to invent more of them.

Yes, yes. But you can fly as many planes you like into tops of towers and nothing happens below. No structure of any kind collapses from top down. http://heiwaco.com/tower.htm
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on July 30, 2020, 10:20:10 AM
No structure of any kind collapses from top down.

No matter what kind of engineering knowledge you once might have had, this single statement is proof you lost it.

Ever play Jenga?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on July 30, 2020, 12:45:39 PM
According Wikipedia a conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful groups, often political in motivation, when other explanations are more probable.

My website is not about conspiracy theories. It is about safety at sea and some strange incidents of ships sinking for mysterious reasons and not simple loss of buoyancy due to sabotage. The people investigating the incidents at sea were just paid to hide the real cause.

I have added some other mysteries like nuclear weapons that do not work since 1945, actors playing asstronuts in space since 1958, towers that collapse at NYC due to Arabs landing planes in the tops 2001 and this virus killing all of us right now, etc. Only idiots believe in these matters due to simple manipulations of their brains.  No conspiracy at all.

PS – The solution to protect yourself against the virus is to carry a mask and to get vaccinated.

Are you high?

Everything on your site fits the definition of conspiracy theories to a tee?

9/11 - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group
Apollo - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group
A-Bombs - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group
Virus -The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group

How is your interpretation even remotely different than the definition?

Well, A-bombs were invented to stop WW2 in the Far East 1945 allowing the Japanese emperor to remain on the throne. It was a US/Japan agreement and not really a sinister conspiracy. It stopped a war. But nukes became good biz afterwards.
Apollo 1969 was just to make JFK happy and to entertain the Americans. Not a sinister conspiracy. It was good Hollywood entertainment with rockets taking off, etc.
911 2001! Well the towers were full of asbestos, worthless and thus blown up. It was a typical insurance fraud! Not a sinister conspiracy. And a good excuse for USA to attack Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, etc. Happens all the time!
The VIRUS 2020? Plenty politicians/experts scare us that we will all die due to it. But where I live the hospital is empty and all is almost normal and I haven't seen any virus. But I agree, media reports that many other countries are hard hit and all people there will die there soon. Conspiracy? I wonder what the purpose can be? Sell vaccine?
Anyway, don't call me a conspiracy theorist.

Like I said before, you fit the absolute and pure definition of a conspiracy theorist.

9/11 - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group = conspiracy theory
Apollo - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group = conspiracy theory
A-Bombs - The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group = conspiracy theory
Virus -The official story is a lie perpetuated by a powerful group = conspiracy theory

For instance:

"Moon landing conspiracy theories claim that some or all elements of the Apollo program and the associated Moon landings were hoaxes staged by NASA, possibly with the aid of other organizations."

"The most prominent conspiracy theory is that the collapse of the Twin Towers and 7 World Trade Center were the result of controlled demolitions rather than structural failure due to impact and fire."

See? Conspiracy theories. Period.

There is literally no way around not being one. Sorry, but you've chosen this path and your only path has been that the official story of any of these is perpetuated by a group that has to be very powerful, for sinister reasons or otherwise, to hide and keep hidden from the entire worlds population what you think the real truth is. Meaning, you are a 200%, through and through, a conspiracy theorist.
No conspiracies
9/11 - Insurance fraud by a powerful group = pure crime. USA/GWB attacks terrorists at  Afghanistan and Iraq and loses. US experts think top of structures can drop and make bottom into dust.
Apollo - Hollywood style entertainment ordered by Potus JFK = pure nonsense.
A-Bombs - Propaganda to quickly stop the war in the Far East 1945 = good military tactic. USA forgot to call it off.
Virus - known experts think it will kill us all - 100% - pandemic style while in reality 99.98% survives = the experts are wrong.

An interesting treatise on Conspiracy Theories and Theorists from MIT. I think this was written about you. "25 Questions and Answers about the Atomic Bomb":

1. Is there any evidence that a thermonuclear device exploded over Hiroshima in 1945?
No, absolutely none. According to leading historians and physicists, the thermonuclear bomb was not invented until years after the supposed detonation over Japanese territory.

2. Is there any evidence that a uranium-based "atom bomb" was ever dropped onto Nagasaki, Japan?
Absolutely not. While many historians and journalists made this claim in the late 40's and early 50's, everyone now agrees that no such bomb ever exploded over Nagasaki. Yet there are some who still stubbornly cling to this supposed "fact."

3. What are the materials needed to make an "atom bomb?"
Uranium-238 and plutonium-239.

4. Aren't these materials radioactive?
Highly so. Anybody who attempts to use these materials is endangering his/her life.

5. Is it likely that nuclear scientists in the 40's would be handling uranium and plutonium?
This would be highly unlikely. Very few people felt so threatened by the Japanese to be willing to risk their lives on a theoretical chance of a superbomb that could end a far-away war a little sooner.

6. Aren't there witnesses to the atomic bomb in Hiroshima?
The only "witnesses" that could possibly survived this supposed explosion would have been blinded by the intense flash of light, so their testimony is quite unreliable and contradictory.

7. According to conventional historians, was the uranium bomb tested before supposedly being dropped over Hiroshima?
No. There was no testing whatsoever of a uranium bomb in Alamogordo or anywhere else before Hiroshima.

8. Isn't that strange?
Yes. Typical weapons are tested for months and years before deployment; there is no other weapon that according to the accepted "facts" deployed before any testing whatsoever.

9. How many witnesses are there for all of the atomic tests allegedly occuring during the fifties and sixties?
Very few, perhaps a few hundred, who claimed to have seen them.

10. What did the General Advisory Committee of the Atomic Energy Commission say in their report of October 30, 1949?
They recommended strongly against the development of what they called the "Super Bomb," which is simply a thermonuclear bomb. They said that "A super bomb might become a weapon of genocide."

11. Isn't this four years after Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Yes. Obviously development of nuclear weapons occurred well after their supposed implementation in 1945.

12. Is radioactivity dangerous?
Everything is radioactive to some extent.

13. What was the triggering method of the bomb that supposedly was dropped on Hiroshima?
According to the standard historical accounts, it used a gun-assembly trigger.

14. Wasn't the gun-assembly method of triggering abandoned in the design stage?
Yes; according to these same sources the gun method would not work with uranium-derived plutonium-239 because some of the plutonium-239 absorbs a neutron to become plutonium-240, which undergoes spontaneous fission, all before supercriticality, causing a premature and very small explosion that is unusable for the very purpose that it was supposedly designed for!

15. How do conventional historians rectify these two "facts?"
They don't even attempt to.

16. How many books have been written about the atomic bomb?
Many hundreds, as well as thousands of articles in magazines and newspapers.

17. Why was Hiroshima "targeted," and not Tokyo?
Perhaps because no one had heard of Hiroshima, and no one knew anyone from there. It would be far more difficult to claim that Tokyo was bombed than Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In fact, most world maps from before "World War Two" do not even mention these cities at all.

18. How does Japan benefit from the "atom bomb" story?
As a direct result of the "war," Japan has received billions of dollars worth of US aid for its defense. Japan has essentially no defense budget, so it can pour resources through MITI into defeating the US economically, all while playing on the emotions of anti-"nuke" activists about the "horrors" of nuclear weapons.

19. Wow, I never thought of that. How else do the Japanese benefit from this story?
The Japanese now own major Hollywood studios, from which many war movies are produced. Also, they play upon our sympathy for the supposed "atom bomb" to blind us to the fact that this foreign nation has taken over our semiconductor industry, many California banks and practically the entire state of Hawaii.
This is all a part of the Japanese plot to take over the world. According to the "Protocols of the Elders of the Orient," this is a Japanese conspiracy all foretold by their ancient texts that very few Anglo-Saxons have the ability to read.

19. How many people are supposed to have died in the explosions?
It is hard to say. Some sources say 60,000 in Hiroshima, others say 140,000. No attempt has been made to rectify the various numbers.

20. How many people die annually from car accidents in the US?
Over 50,000.

21. So, what makes Hiroshima so special?
Nothing, especially given the contradictory evidence about it.

22. Boy, I'm mad. What should I do about this?
Glad you asked. First, send me lots of money so we can spread this message far and wide. Maybe we'll take out ads in college newspapers or something.
Second, direct your anger at the Japanese. We are the victims, and they are the aggressors. Make yourself feel important again by bashing Japan at every opportunity. Japanese people are inherently evil, and basically subhuman. They were never bombed, and if they would have been they would have deserved it. Who do they think they are, anyway?
Yes, we Revisionists have all the answers. Life is a lot simpler than you thought it was. Join us, and you won't have to be bothered anymore by any feelings of guilt for your inherent hatred. We can justify it! Oh, it's not the Japanese you hate, but the crippled? Hey - so do we! It's easy: we don't like feeling uncomfortable around people in wheelchairs, either! Who do they think they are, taking all the good parking spaces when they were stupid enough to slip on a banana peel? IT'S A CONSPIRACY! --See how easy it is to start? Now, just mix in a few real facts, and start converting all of the otherwise messed-up people to OUR CAUSE!

23. Wow! You mean that I could write stuff like this, too?
Sure! It's embarrasingly easy to write what we wrote above. In fact, it's even superior to the usual anti-Semitic revisionist garbage, because it has a higher percentage of REAL FACTS! Most of the apparent "contradictions" above come from the facts that Nagasaki was bombed by a plutonium bomb, not uranium; and that hydrogen bombs are thermonuclear, not atomic bombs. Just juggle information about the different types of bombs and mix them up so they seem to be contradicting each other. It doesn't take ANY INTELLIGENCE WHATSOEVER, and you can get lots of free air time on "48 Hours"!
Oh, I forgot to mention: I have a Japanese girlfriend who agrees with EVERY WORD I've written above. Here she is:
"Yes, I am his Japanese girlfriend. I love him very much, and I've always been troubled by my Japanese friends claiming to know people who died in Hiroshima."
There you have it! Just throw some unverifiable opinions on top of ridiculous proofs to STRENGTHEN YOUR CASE!

24. Couldn't I be arrested for this?
No! This country is founded on FREE SPEECH! But, just make sure that you mention how much you are being persecuted for saying your version of history. (More than three email messages a day qualify for being called harrassment. Five may merit a lawsuit.)

25. Where can I get more information?
Go to a library. Take a book at random. Skim it. Then, decide how that book is either for you or against you. If it is for you, quote liberally and out of context. If against you, do the same.
DON'T LET YOURSELF GET CONFUSED BY THE FACTS! We certainly don't!

https://stuff.mit.edu/people/dpolicar/writing/netsam/revisionist_history.html
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on July 30, 2020, 12:52:02 PM
Yes, yes. But you can fly as many planes you like into tops of towers and nothing happens below. [/quote]
The planes weren't flown into the tops of the WTC.

No structure of any kind collapses from top down.
Except when they do:
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on July 30, 2020, 10:07:41 PM
Yes, yes. But you can fly as many planes you like into tops of towers and nothing happens below.
The planes weren't flown into the tops of the WTC.

No structure of any kind collapses from top down.
Except when they do:

[/quote]
Topic is a-bombs and not controlled demolition of towers using explosives 911 style. Re topic I have updated http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm why no a-bombs have ever exploded anywhere.
People should be happy about it BUT plenty get upset that a-bombs are just manipulations.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 30, 2020, 11:48:16 PM
I have lost 30 pounds over the past 3 months.

I am snorting 2L/min of O2 through a cannula. It gives me a bloody nose.


Could be worse. 




         ;D



Also, Heiwa is a snot rag.




You are all such tools, have fun.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on July 31, 2020, 05:13:08 AM
You are all such tools, have fun.

Who says we are not?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on July 31, 2020, 01:01:37 PM
Yes, yes. But you can fly as many planes you like into tops of towers and nothing happens below.
The planes weren't flown into the tops of the WTC.

No structure of any kind collapses from top down.
Except when they do:

Topic is a-bombs and not controlled demolition of towers using explosives 911 style. Re topic I have updated http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm why no a-bombs have ever exploded anywhere.
People should be happy about it BUT plenty get upset that a-bombs are just manipulations.
[/quote]

You forget that you have a I witness to operation fishbowl in your audience.
a-bombs are real; there is nothing that you can say that will convince me otherwise.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on July 31, 2020, 02:58:19 PM
Yes, yes. But you can fly as many planes you like into tops of towers and nothing happens below.
The planes weren't flown into the tops of the WTC.

No structure of any kind collapses from top down.
Except when they do:

Topic is a-bombs and not controlled demolition of towers using explosives 911 style. Re topic I have updated http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm why no a-bombs have ever exploded anywhere.
People should be happy about it BUT plenty get upset that a-bombs are just manipulations.

You forget that you have a I witness to operation fishbowl in your audience.
a-bombs are real; there is nothing that you can say that will convince me otherwise.

In case you missed my earlier post. How Heiwa concocts his conspiracy theories 101:

23. Wow! You mean that I could write stuff like this, too?
Sure! It's embarrasingly easy to write what we wrote above. In fact, it's even superior to the usual anti-Semitic revisionist garbage, because it has a higher percentage of REAL FACTS! Most of the apparent "contradictions" above come from the facts that Nagasaki was bombed by a plutonium bomb, not uranium; and that hydrogen bombs are thermonuclear, not atomic bombs. Just juggle information about the different types of bombs and mix them up so they seem to be contradicting each other. It doesn't take ANY INTELLIGENCE WHATSOEVER, and you can get lots of free air time on "48 Hours"!
Oh, I forgot to mention: I have a Japanese girlfriend who agrees with EVERY WORD I've written above. Here she is:
"Yes, I am his Japanese girlfriend. I love him very much, and I've always been troubled by my Japanese friends claiming to know people who died in Hiroshima."
There you have it! Just throw some unverifiable opinions on top of ridiculous proofs to STRENGTHEN YOUR CASE!

24. Couldn't I be arrested for this?
No! This country is founded on FREE SPEECH! But, just make sure that you mention how much you are being persecuted for saying your version of history. (More than three email messages a day qualify for being called harrassment. Five may merit a lawsuit.)

25. Where can I get more information?
Go to a library. Take a book at random. Skim it. Then, decide how that book is either for you or against you. If it is for you, quote liberally and out of context. If against you, do the same.


It's almost like Heiwa read this whenever it was published and copied it verbatum. He has the girl he met in a bar just like the "I have a Japanese girlfriend..." mentioned above in #23.
He mentions all the time how he has been persecuted by the Swedish and American governments just like referenced in #24.
Cherry pick to high heaven as mentioned in #25.

He's a text book conspiracy theorist.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on July 31, 2020, 03:22:53 PM
Topic is a-bombs and not controlled demolition of towers using explosives 911 style.
Then stop changing the subject.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on August 04, 2020, 08:09:48 PM
then this is the right place for this statement.
Operation fishbowl is real: I was eye witness to it. Your claim is wrong. this was a test of a Nuclear Bomb scene from Hawaii.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 05, 2020, 04:01:01 AM
then this is the right place for this statement.
Operation fishbowl is real: I was eye witness to it. Your claim is wrong. this was a test of a Nuclear Bomb scene from Hawaii.
Yes. Best way to study US nuclear bomb tests is feeding your goldfish. US media only publish Fake News about wiping out the terrorist enemies with nukes ... so why read it in a fake news paper?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 05, 2020, 06:02:59 AM
Yes. Best way to study US nuclear bomb tests is feeding your goldfish. US media only publish Fake News about wiping out the terrorist enemies with nukes ... so why read it in a fake news paper?
Why do you say such stupid things?  You do understand that trolling is against the rules, don't you?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 05, 2020, 07:29:43 AM
then this is the right place for this statement.
Operation fishbowl is real: I was eye witness to it. Your claim is wrong. this was a test of a Nuclear Bomb scene from Hawaii.
Yes. Best way to study US nuclear bomb tests is feeding your goldfish. US media only publish Fake News about wiping out the terrorist enemies with nukes ... so why read it in a fake news paper?

Your reply is complete nonsense.

Feeding goldfish?  Nonsense.

No US newspaper says the us is using nukes to wipe out terrorists.  Nonsense.

He was claiming to have seen it with his own eyes, not read it in a newspaper.  Nonsense.

You didn't even respond to what you quoted.

Do you just... type whatever fantasies come into your head at the time?  Your response here like all your others contains zero content, and certainly doesn't refute an actual eye witness.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 05, 2020, 09:54:33 AM
then this is the right place for this statement.
Operation fishbowl is real: I was eye witness to it. Your claim is wrong. this was a test of a Nuclear Bomb scene from Hawaii.
Yes. Best way to study US nuclear bomb tests is feeding your goldfish. US media only publish Fake News about wiping out the terrorist enemies with nukes ... so why read it in a fake news paper?

Your reply is complete nonsense.

Feeding goldfish?  Nonsense.

No US newspaper says the us is using nukes to wipe out terrorists.  Nonsense.

He was claiming to have seen it with his own eyes, not read it in a newspaper.  Nonsense.

You didn't even respond to what you quoted.

Do you just... type whatever fantasies come into your head at the time?  Your response here like all your others contains zero content, and certainly doesn't refute an actual eye witness.
No, I just reply to posts about topic. Of course Nuclear Bombs do not exist. I explain why at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on August 05, 2020, 11:35:17 AM
then this is the right place for this statement.
Operation fishbowl is real: I was eye witness to it. Your claim is wrong. this was a test of a Nuclear Bomb scene from Hawaii.
Yes. Best way to study US nuclear bomb tests is feeding your goldfish. US media only publish Fake News about wiping out the terrorist enemies with nukes ... so why read it in a fake news paper?
That does not answer my question: how was that flash produced?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 05, 2020, 11:57:58 AM
then this is the right place for this statement.
Operation fishbowl is real: I was eye witness to it. Your claim is wrong. this was a test of a Nuclear Bomb scene from Hawaii.
Yes. Best way to study US nuclear bomb tests is feeding your goldfish. US media only publish Fake News about wiping out the terrorist enemies with nukes ... so why read it in a fake news paper?
That does not answer my question: how was that flash produced?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Fishbowl
It was just stupid propaganda.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 05, 2020, 03:11:50 PM
then this is the right place for this statement.
Operation fishbowl is real: I was eye witness to it. Your claim is wrong. this was a test of a Nuclear Bomb scene from Hawaii.
Yes. Best way to study US nuclear bomb tests is feeding your goldfish. US media only publish Fake News about wiping out the terrorist enemies with nukes ... so why read it in a fake news paper?

Your reply is complete nonsense.

Feeding goldfish?  Nonsense.

No US newspaper says the us is using nukes to wipe out terrorists.  Nonsense.

He was claiming to have seen it with his own eyes, not read it in a newspaper.  Nonsense.

You didn't even respond to what you quoted.

Do you just... type whatever fantasies come into your head at the time?  Your response here like all your others contains zero content, and certainly doesn't refute an actual eye witness.
No, I just reply to posts about topic. Of course Nuclear Bombs do not exist. I explain why at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .

Except your replies are nonsense.  The one I quoted, you made a joke (I think) about a goldfish, said newspapers are fake and made up a story about terrorists being blown up by nukes.

None of which had anything to do with responding to an eye witness of a nuclear detonation.

You don't reply to topics, you just spam links to your web page of conspiracy theories and add some random made up things.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on August 05, 2020, 03:42:11 PM
then this is the right place for this statement.
Operation fishbowl is real: I was eye witness to it. Your claim is wrong. this was a test of a Nuclear Bomb scene from Hawaii.
Yes. Best way to study US nuclear bomb tests is feeding your goldfish. US media only publish Fake News about wiping out the terrorist enemies with nukes ... so why read it in a fake news paper?
That does not answer my question: how was that flash produced?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Fishbowl
It was just stupid propaganda.

sow an  I witness, cannot  move you from your delusion, you're seeing the truth only after they've been cast as shadows in your cave.
How can I help you change your mindset?
You insist that I should join you, in seeing your delusion, as the real thing, it's not going to happen.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 05, 2020, 06:56:09 PM
then this is the right place for this statement.
Operation fishbowl is real: I was eye witness to it. Your claim is wrong. this was a test of a Nuclear Bomb scene from Hawaii.
Yes. Best way to study US nuclear bomb tests is feeding your goldfish. US media only publish Fake News about wiping out the terrorist enemies with nukes ... so why read it in a fake news paper?

Your reply is complete nonsense.

Feeding goldfish?  Nonsense.

No US newspaper says the us is using nukes to wipe out terrorists.  Nonsense.

He was claiming to have seen it with his own eyes, not read it in a newspaper.  Nonsense.

You didn't even respond to what you quoted.

Do you just... type whatever fantasies come into your head at the time?  Your response here like all your others contains zero content, and certainly doesn't refute an actual eye witness.
No, I just reply to posts about topic. Of course Nuclear Bombs do not exist. I explain why at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .

Except your replies are nonsense.  The one I quoted, you made a joke (I think) about a goldfish, said newspapers are fake and made up a story about terrorists being blown up by nukes.

None of which had anything to do with responding to an eye witness of a nuclear detonation.

You don't reply to topics, you just spam links to your web page of conspiracy theories and add some random made up things.
No, I think my explanations at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm are pretty good, why nuclear weapons are 75 years old Fake News today.

There were plenty eyewitnesses that survived the FLASHes at Hiroshima and Nagasaki 1945. Of course paid for by the local rulers.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 05, 2020, 07:02:09 PM
No, I think my explanations at ... are pretty good...
You seem to be the only one who thinks that.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 05, 2020, 10:00:51 PM
No, I think my explanations at ... are pretty good...
You seem to be the only one who thinks that.
No, I have quite a following. On the other hand USA/Potus Trump & Co. say today 2020 they have plenty weapons of mass destruction to wipe out the enemy many times over for national security reasons. But it is just standard propaganda since 6 August 1945  - 75 years ago.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 06, 2020, 06:18:55 AM
No, I think my explanations at ... are pretty good...
You seem to be the only one who thinks that.
No, I have quite a following.
Just because people visit your site doesn't mean that they agree with anything that you say.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 06, 2020, 09:32:01 AM
Quote from: Heiwa link=topic=26083.msg2and274991#msg2274991 date=1596678969
No, I think my explanations at ... are pretty good...
You seem to be the only one who thinks that.
No, I have quite a following.
Just because people visit your site doesn't mean that they agree with anything that you say.
Yes, you have a point. But people read what I write at my web site and there is a good response.
Do you have a web site? Or a job? How do you earn your living?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 06, 2020, 10:54:00 AM
then this is the right place for this statement.
Operation fishbowl is real: I was eye witness to it. Your claim is wrong. this was a test of a Nuclear Bomb scene from Hawaii.
Yes. Best way to study US nuclear bomb tests is feeding your goldfish. US media only publish Fake News about wiping out the terrorist enemies with nukes ... so why read it in a fake news paper?

Your reply is complete nonsense.

Feeding goldfish?  Nonsense.

No US newspaper says the us is using nukes to wipe out terrorists.  Nonsense.

He was claiming to have seen it with his own eyes, not read it in a newspaper.  Nonsense.

You didn't even respond to what you quoted.

Do you just... type whatever fantasies come into your head at the time?  Your response here like all your others contains zero content, and certainly doesn't refute an actual eye witness.
No, I just reply to posts about topic. Of course Nuclear Bombs do not exist. I explain why at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .

Except your replies are nonsense.  The one I quoted, you made a joke (I think) about a goldfish, said newspapers are fake and made up a story about terrorists being blown up by nukes.

None of which had anything to do with responding to an eye witness of a nuclear detonation.

You don't reply to topics, you just spam links to your web page of conspiracy theories and add some random made up things.
No, I think my explanations at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm are pretty good, why nuclear weapons are 75 years old Fake News today.

There were plenty eyewitnesses that survived the FLASHes at Hiroshima and Nagasaki 1945. Of course paid for by the local rulers.

Your explanations are nothing more than you making outlandish claims with not a shred of evidence.

You explain nothing at all, your web site is just a list of conspiracy theories, empty of any factual content.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 06, 2020, 10:57:54 AM
then this is the right place for this statement.
Operation fishbowl is real: I was eye witness to it. Your claim is wrong. this was a test of a Nuclear Bomb scene from Hawaii.
Yes. Best way to study US nuclear bomb tests is feeding your goldfish. US media only publish Fake News about wiping out the terrorist enemies with nukes ... so why read it in a fake news paper?

Your reply is complete nonsense.

Feeding goldfish?  Nonsense.

No US newspaper says the us is using nukes to wipe out terrorists.  Nonsense.

He was claiming to have seen it with his own eyes, not read it in a newspaper.  Nonsense.

You didn't even respond to what you quoted.

Do you just... type whatever fantasies come into your head at the time?  Your response here like all your others contains zero content, and certainly doesn't refute an actual eye witness.
No, I just reply to posts about topic. Of course Nuclear Bombs do not exist. I explain why at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .

Except your replies are nonsense.  The one I quoted, you made a joke (I think) about a goldfish, said newspapers are fake and made up a story about terrorists being blown up by nukes.

None of which had anything to do with responding to an eye witness of a nuclear detonation.

You don't reply to topics, you just spam links to your web page of conspiracy theories and add some random made up things.
No, I think my explanations at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm are pretty good, why nuclear weapons are 75 years old Fake News today.

There were plenty eyewitnesses that survived the FLASHes at Hiroshima and Nagasaki 1945. Of course paid for by the local rulers.

Your explanations are nothing more than you making outlandish claims with not a shred of evidence.

You explain nothing at all, your web site is just a list of conspiracy theories, empty of any factual content.
Sorry, I explain all at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .
No conspiracy theories. I just show that Nuclear Bombs don't exist.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 06, 2020, 11:07:06 AM
No conspiracy theories. I just show that Nuclear Bombs don't exist.
Saying that nuclear bombs are fake propaganda and eye witnesses are paid actors is a conspiracy theory.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 06, 2020, 11:34:03 AM
No conspiracy theories. I just show that Nuclear Bombs don't exist.
Saying that nuclear bombs are fake propaganda and eye witnesses are paid actors is a conspiracy theory.
No, I just say nuclear bombs do not work. They were invented 1945.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 06, 2020, 11:41:26 AM
Sorry, I explain all at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .
No conspiracy theories. I just show that Nuclear Bombs don't exist.

Claiming atomic bombs don't exist and there is a worldwide 50 year old conspiracy by multiple governments to pretend they do is in fact, a conspiracy theory. It's a textbook case of one. ::)

And your web site doesn't explain anything, it's just you claiming they don't exist with no evidence. It doesn't matter if you say something 100 times, that doesn't make it true.

Some truths.

Nuclear weapons exist.

You are a conspiracy theorist with a huge web page full of them.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on August 06, 2020, 12:29:27 PM
No conspiracy theories. I just show that Nuclear Bombs don't exist.
Saying that nuclear bombs are fake propaganda and eye witnesses are paid actors is a conspiracy theory.
No, I just say nuclear bombs do not work. They were invented 1945.

Part of your "explanation" that they don't exist is that the fact they don't really exist is covered up by the many nations that claim to have them. As well as those many nations convincing the populace they do in fact exist. That whole part I just described is a 'conspiracy' to hide the fact that they don't exist from the world. The Conspiracy is part and parcel of your "explanation". Because you are claiming they don't exist you are also defacto claiming a conspiracy is afoot to hide the fact they don't exist. Hence, you are a conspiracy theorist. You need a conspiracy for you to be right. Do you not get that?

As an aside, your "explanation" still is just the culmination of some conversations you had with a couple of Japanese people and a girl you met in a bar. That's not much to go on to claim the atomic nations of the world are conspiring together to hide the fact that a-bombs don't exist. But that's what conspiracy theorists do, make unverifiable personal claims that have no real bearing or relevance on the wider array of facts available.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 06, 2020, 08:57:21 PM
No conspiracy theories. I just show that Nuclear Bombs don't exist.
Saying that nuclear bombs are fake propaganda and eye witnesses are paid actors is a conspiracy theory.
No, I just say nuclear bombs do not work. They were invented 1945.

Part of your "explanation" that they don't exist is that the fact they don't really exist is covered up by the many nations that claim to have them. As well as those many nations convincing the populace they do in fact exist. That whole part I just described is a 'conspiracy' to hide the fact that they don't exist from the world. The Conspiracy is part and parcel of your "explanation". Because you are claiming they don't exist you are also defacto claiming a conspiracy is afoot to hide the fact they don't exist. Hence, you are a conspiracy theorist. You need a conspiracy for you to be right. Do you not get that?

As an aside, your "explanation" still is just the culmination of some conversations you had with a couple of Japanese people and a girl you met in a bar. That's not much to go on to claim the atomic nations of the world are conspiring together to hide the fact that a-bombs don't exist. But that's what conspiracy theorists do, make unverifiable personal claims that have no real bearing or relevance on the wider array of facts available.
You really have to read what I write.
1. Already back in 1945 the Swedish government suggested to Nobel prize (physics) winner M. Siegbahn to (1) become head of Swedish military research FOA and (2) build an A-Bomb. M. Siegbahn agreed subject all results were made public, etc. Swedish government didn't agree. All must be secret. So Siegbahn didn't build a Swedish A-Bomb but he got US$ 1M from the Rockefeller foundation to improve his laboratory and cyclotron instead, etc. I met Siegbahn 1964 when he told me to avoid physics as a well paid job to build useless A-Bombs and rockets or to become a low paid physics teacher. Siegbahn knew A-Bombs didn't work.
2. So I became a naval architect instead building supertankers in, e.g., Japan 1972/6 where I met people from Hiroshima and Nagasaki and others who had worked for the Japanese Imperial Navy until 1945 when they surrendered. Many indicated to me that no A-Bombs had exploded in Japan and that all destruction was due to napalm carpet bombings of civilians - that US loved.
3. 1999 I repaired a ship of mine at Mombasa, Kenya, where I met a woman at the hotel (she was on holidays) who (later) told me her father/mother/family had worked for Wismut AG in East Germany 1946/58 secretly producing Uranium ore used for Stalin's A-Bomb! But that no real Uranium ore was mined and that no Stalin's A-Bomb existed. It was just communist propaganda! I have later checked the history of Wismut AG (it ended 1991) and found it was pure propaganda. The mines were just old silver mines with no silver left and no uranium.

So around year 2000 I concluded that A-Bombs do not exist except as propaganda to scare people. As I already was the owner of a popular website - http://heiwaco.com - I decided to publish it there.

The Swedish government and its experts do not like me as I have proven how they 1994 decided to cover up the true cause of a marine incident killing >1000 persons. They invented a fairy tale that the ship was in perfect condition but lost a bow visor in a hurricane. Actually the ship was not seaworthy, trading offshore with open watertight doors full of contraband and sunk by sabotage, etc. Swedish Royal Navy (my old service) assisted with the criminal cover-up. 

Small world! I just live/work in South France since 1978 with safe ships.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 07, 2020, 09:27:40 AM
Siegbahn knew A-Bombs didn't work.
Did Siegbahn actually tell you that a bombs don't work, or are you just assuming that's what he knew?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: frenat on August 07, 2020, 11:24:00 AM
Siegbahn knew A-Bombs didn't work.
Did Siegbahn actually tell you that a bombs don't work, or are you just assuming that's what he knew?
Assuming heiwa even talked to him and isn't making that up.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Pezevenk on August 11, 2020, 05:46:39 AM
I forgot, does Heiwa say they don't exist because they can't exist in principle, or just that we haven't made one yet?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on August 11, 2020, 07:30:47 AM
I forgot, does Heiwa say they don't exist because they can't exist in principle, or just that we haven't made one yet?

He says they don't exist because you can't have explosive fission.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 14, 2020, 07:13:13 PM
Siegbahn knew A-Bombs didn't work.
Did Siegbahn actually tell you that a bombs don't work, or are you just assuming that's what he knew?
This was back in 1964. As I recall Siegbahn was not impressed by the Swedish government asking him to secretly build a Swedish military A-Bomb. He was already rich and famous with no need to get involved with politics. So I studied other engineering matters, shipbuilding and there I met people who knew that nuclear weapons were pure propaganda. I describe it at my website. Only idiots believe that A-Bombs can  detonate. Fission is not explosive.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 14, 2020, 08:42:41 PM
Siegbahn knew A-Bombs didn't work.
Did Siegbahn actually tell you that a bombs don't work, or are you just assuming that's what he knew?
This was back in 1964. As I recall Siegbahn was not impressed by the Swedish government asking him to secretly build a Swedish military A-Bomb. He was already rich and famous with no need to get involved with politics.
So he didn't tell you that atomic bombs don't work.  Good to know.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on August 14, 2020, 09:58:19 PM
Siegbahn knew A-Bombs didn't work.
Did Siegbahn actually tell you that a bombs don't work, or are you just assuming that's what he knew?
This was back in 1964. As I recall Siegbahn was not impressed by the Swedish government asking him to secretly build a Swedish military A-Bomb. He was already rich and famous with no need to get involved with politics. So I studied other engineering matters, shipbuilding and there I met people who knew that nuclear weapons were pure propaganda. I describe it at my website. Only idiots believe that A-Bombs can  detonate. Fission is not explosive.
And you still ignore  an I witness to one of the tests of the A-Bombs.
And Sweden bilt the most extensive bomb shelter systems in the world.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 14, 2020, 11:23:31 PM
Siegbahn knew A-Bombs didn't work.
Did Siegbahn actually tell you that a bombs don't work, or are you just assuming that's what he knew?
This was back in 1964. As I recall Siegbahn was not impressed by the Swedish government asking him to secretly build a Swedish military A-Bomb. He was already rich and famous with no need to get involved with politics. So I studied other engineering matters, shipbuilding and there I met people who knew that nuclear weapons were pure propaganda. I describe it at my website. Only idiots believe that A-Bombs can  detonate. Fission is not explosive.
And you still ignore  an I witness to one of the tests of the A-Bombs.
And Sweden bilt the most extensive bomb shelter systems in the world.
Yes, eye witnesses do not cost much and there are plenty at Hiroshima and Nagasaki that all noticed one plane dropping one bomb that suddenly produced a big FLASH killing 100 000's of civilians except some eye witnesses.
Re Swedish A-Bomb shelters I am an expert. In Sweden we do military service so I was Royal Navy. Very smart uniforms. 1945 Sweden had decided that the Royal Navy should have three top-secret A-Bomb safe ports/shipyards! One outside Stockholm, one outside Gothenburg and one in the south outside Karlskrona. So construction started and 1969 the first one was ready. The Muskö base outside Stockholm. And who was one of the first to work there? Me! Your undersigned. I had worked in the old shipyard before that was ready about 1650 in the center of Stockholm. The Muskö base was fantastic. A-Bomb safe dry docks and workshops in caves with 20 m granite in the ceiling (and very bad ventilation)! Long tunnels with thick doors resisting a direct nuclear bomb impact. One problem was that there was no A-Bomb safe restaurant for the staff. At noon we all had to leave our safe work places inside the mountain, walk or take a bus to eat in fresh air with a view of the sea nearby. The Muskö base was a fiasco 1969 and is now closed since long. Like most Swedish A-bomb shelters it was just propaganda to make us Royal Navy chaps feel safe at work ... but not at lunch time.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 15, 2020, 05:20:14 AM
Siegbahn knew A-Bombs didn't work.
Did Siegbahn actually tell you that a bombs don't work, or are you just assuming that's what he knew?
This was back in 1964. As I recall Siegbahn was not impressed by the Swedish government asking him to secretly build a Swedish military A-Bomb. He was already rich and famous with no need to get involved with politics. So I studied other engineering matters, shipbuilding and there I met people who knew that nuclear weapons were pure propaganda. I describe it at my website. Only idiots believe that A-Bombs can  detonate. Fission is not explosive.
And you still ignore  an I witness to one of the tests of the A-Bombs.
And Sweden bilt the most extensive bomb shelter systems in the world.
Yes, eye witnesses do not cost much and there are plenty at Hiroshima and Nagasaki that all noticed one plane dropping one bomb that suddenly produced a big FLASH killing 100 000's of civilians except some eye witnesses.
Re Swedish A-Bomb shelters I am an expert. In Sweden we do military service so I was Royal Navy. Very smart uniforms. 1945 Sweden had decided that the Royal Navy should have three top-secret A-Bomb safe ports/shipyards! One outside Stockholm, one outside Gothenburg and one in the south outside Karlskrona. So construction started and 1969 the first one was ready. The Muskö base outside Stockholm. And who was one of the first to work there? Me! Your undersigned. I had worked in the old shipyard before that was ready about 1650 in the center of Stockholm. The Muskö base was fantastic. A-Bomb safe dry docks and workshops in caves with 20 m granite in the ceiling (and very bad ventilation)! Long tunnels with thick doors resisting a direct nuclear bomb impact. One problem was that there was no A-Bomb safe restaurant for the staff. At noon we all had to leave our safe work places inside the mountain, walk or take a bus to eat in fresh air with a view of the sea nearby. The Muskö base was a fiasco 1969 and is now closed since long. Like most Swedish A-bomb shelters it was just propaganda to make us Royal Navy chaps feel safe at work ... but not at lunch time.

So.... nuclear bombs don't exist because during construction of a nuclear bomb shelter you had to eat outside?

Wow.

That's about the worst evidence you've shown so far.

Congratulations on lowering the bar even further.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 15, 2020, 07:20:22 AM
Siegbahn knew A-Bombs didn't work.
Did Siegbahn actually tell you that a bombs don't work, or are you just assuming that's what he knew?
This was back in 1964. As I recall Siegbahn was not impressed by the Swedish government asking him to secretly build a Swedish military A-Bomb. He was already rich and famous with no need to get involved with politics. So I studied other engineering matters, shipbuilding and there I met people who knew that nuclear weapons were pure propaganda. I describe it at my website. Only idiots believe that A-Bombs can  detonate. Fission is not explosive.
And you still ignore  an I witness to one of the tests of the A-Bombs.
And Sweden bilt the most extensive bomb shelter systems in the world.
Yes, eye witnesses do not cost much and there are plenty at Hiroshima and Nagasaki that all noticed one plane dropping one bomb that suddenly produced a big FLASH killing 100 000's of civilians except some eye witnesses.
Re Swedish A-Bomb shelters I am an expert. In Sweden we do military service so I was Royal Navy. Very smart uniforms. 1945 Sweden had decided that the Royal Navy should have three top-secret A-Bomb safe ports/shipyards! One outside Stockholm, one outside Gothenburg and one in the south outside Karlskrona. So construction started and 1969 the first one was ready. The Muskö base outside Stockholm. And who was one of the first to work there? Me! Your undersigned. I had worked in the old shipyard before that was ready about 1650 in the center of Stockholm. The Muskö base was fantastic. A-Bomb safe dry docks and workshops in caves with 20 m granite in the ceiling (and very bad ventilation)! Long tunnels with thick doors resisting a direct nuclear bomb impact. One problem was that there was no A-Bomb safe restaurant for the staff. At noon we all had to leave our safe work places inside the mountain, walk or take a bus to eat in fresh air with a view of the sea nearby. The Muskö base was a fiasco 1969 and is now closed since long. Like most Swedish A-bomb shelters it was just propaganda to make us Royal Navy chaps feel safe at work ... but not at lunch time.

So.... nuclear bombs don't exist because during construction of a nuclear bomb shelter you had to eat outside?

Wow.

That's about the worst evidence you've shown so far.

Congratulations on lowering the bar even further.
No, 1945 the Swedish government believed in US/Truman A-Bombs killing civilians in Japan and wanted (1) Swedish A-Bombs and (2) nuclear safe underground naval shipyards. I wasn't born then. Re (1) my friend Siegbahn refused 1945 to build Swedish A-Bombs unless he could show how they worked (they didn't) and (2) one nuclear safe underground naval shipyard was ready for me 1969, where I spent 1970 in a windowless office with 20 m thick, solid granite roof at the end of a long tunnel. The lunch room was in the open 500 m away with a view of the sea.
The Soviets didn't attack my office then with an A-Bomb! Later I found out that the USSR didn't have any A-Bombs at all. They were just propaganda.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 15, 2020, 03:11:31 PM
Siegbahn knew A-Bombs didn't work.
Did Siegbahn actually tell you that a bombs don't work, or are you just assuming that's what he knew?
This was back in 1964. As I recall Siegbahn was not impressed by the Swedish government asking him to secretly build a Swedish military A-Bomb. He was already rich and famous with no need to get involved with politics. So I studied other engineering matters, shipbuilding and there I met people who knew that nuclear weapons were pure propaganda. I describe it at my website. Only idiots believe that A-Bombs can  detonate. Fission is not explosive.
And you still ignore  an I witness to one of the tests of the A-Bombs.
And Sweden bilt the most extensive bomb shelter systems in the world.
Yes, eye witnesses do not cost much and there are plenty at Hiroshima and Nagasaki that all noticed one plane dropping one bomb that suddenly produced a big FLASH killing 100 000's of civilians except some eye witnesses.
Re Swedish A-Bomb shelters I am an expert. In Sweden we do military service so I was Royal Navy. Very smart uniforms. 1945 Sweden had decided that the Royal Navy should have three top-secret A-Bomb safe ports/shipyards! One outside Stockholm, one outside Gothenburg and one in the south outside Karlskrona. So construction started and 1969 the first one was ready. The Muskö base outside Stockholm. And who was one of the first to work there? Me! Your undersigned. I had worked in the old shipyard before that was ready about 1650 in the center of Stockholm. The Muskö base was fantastic. A-Bomb safe dry docks and workshops in caves with 20 m granite in the ceiling (and very bad ventilation)! Long tunnels with thick doors resisting a direct nuclear bomb impact. One problem was that there was no A-Bomb safe restaurant for the staff. At noon we all had to leave our safe work places inside the mountain, walk or take a bus to eat in fresh air with a view of the sea nearby. The Muskö base was a fiasco 1969 and is now closed since long. Like most Swedish A-bomb shelters it was just propaganda to make us Royal Navy chaps feel safe at work ... but not at lunch time.

So.... nuclear bombs don't exist because during construction of a nuclear bomb shelter you had to eat outside?

Wow.

That's about the worst evidence you've shown so far.

Congratulations on lowering the bar even further.
No, 1945 the Swedish government believed in US/Truman A-Bombs killing civilians in Japan and wanted (1) Swedish A-Bombs and (2) nuclear safe underground naval shipyards. I wasn't born then. Re (1) my friend Siegbahn refused 1945 to build Swedish A-Bombs unless he could show how they worked (they didn't) and (2) one nuclear safe underground naval shipyard was ready for me 1969, where I spent 1970 in a windowless office with 20 m thick, solid granite roof at the end of a long tunnel. The lunch room was in the open 500 m away with a view of the sea.
The Soviets didn't attack my office then with an A-Bomb! Later I found out that the USSR didn't have any A-Bombs at all. They were just propaganda.

Again your entire post is a rambling story about how you don't think they are real. Zero evidence.

It's just a crazy conspiracy theory, nothing more.

Look at what you wrote, bombs don't exist because you had to eat outside one? What are you even trying to prove? That they didn't have plans for emergency food in there? You think they were just going to feed you from whatever emergency stockpiles were inside? That makes no sense, just like your post.

You didn't "find out" anything.  You just made up some crazy conspiracy in your head.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 15, 2020, 05:54:51 PM
(1) my friend Siegbahn refused 1945 to build Swedish A-Bombs unless he could show how they worked (they didn't)
When did he actually say that a-bombs don't work?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 15, 2020, 06:11:31 PM
(1) my friend Siegbahn refused 1945 to build Swedish A-Bombs unless he could show how they worked (they didn't)
When did he actually say that a-bombs don't work?
1945 Siegbahn was asked by the Swedish government to build a Swedish A-Bomb and to become head of Swedish military defense research. He agreed subject to all details of the bomb being peer reviewed and public. Swedish government decided all must be secret so Siegbahn never built a Swedish A-Bomb. It was done by others! 100% secretly! And in the 1960's all plans of a Swedish A-Bomb were abandoned. Etc, etc.Details are still secret.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 15, 2020, 06:21:41 PM
(1) my friend Siegbahn refused 1945 to build Swedish A-Bombs unless he could show how they worked (they didn't)
When did he actually say that a-bombs don't work?
1945 Siegbahn was asked by the Swedish government to build a Swedish A-Bomb and to become head of Swedish military defense research. He agreed subject to all details of the bomb being peer reviewed and public. Swedish government decided all must be secret so Siegbahn never built a Swedish A-Bomb. It was done by others! 100% secretly! And in the 1960's all plans of a Swedish A-Bomb were abandoned. Etc, etc.Details are still secret.

So he never actually said that then.

You say nuclear weapons don't exist because governments won't tell you how to make one?

Well duh, of course they aren't going to just tell their enemies how to build their most powerful weapons. Why do you think they have secrets?

That's dumb.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 15, 2020, 10:11:07 PM
(1) my friend Siegbahn refused 1945 to build Swedish A-Bombs unless he could show how they worked (they didn't)
When did he actually say that a-bombs don't work?
1945 Siegbahn was asked by the Swedish government to build a Swedish A-Bomb and to become head of Swedish military defense research. He agreed subject to all details of the bomb being peer reviewed and public. Swedish government decided all must be secret so Siegbahn never built a Swedish A-Bomb. It was done by others! 100% secretly! And in the 1960's all plans of a Swedish A-Bomb were abandoned. Etc, etc.Details are still secret.

So he never actually said that then.

You say nuclear weapons don't exist because governments won't tell you how to make one?

Well duh, of course they aren't going to just tell their enemies how to build their most powerful weapons. Why do you think they have secrets?

That's dumb.
1964 Mr. Siegbahn didn't recommend physics as a career for me. Secret military research of rockets and nuclear weapons, etc, etc. Who wanted to do that as a serious job? So I did shipbuilding and in Japan I met plenty people that had survived WW2 and US terror bombings of Japan. I got the impression that US nuclear attacks of Japan were just propaganda to quickly terminate WW2. The Japanese nuclear bomb museums confirmed it. Just full of propaganda lies. Propaganda is information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view.
And 1999 I met people that had built Stalin's fake A-Bomb 1946/58 with fake uranium produced by Wismut AG.
So I concluded A-Bombs were just propaganda. I had myself used it to frighten the Russians 1965/70 about Sweden filling the Baltic with 100 000 sea mines in a week, if necessary, using civilian ships a mine layers. The Russians never attacked!  Small world. Dumb people believe propaganda.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on August 15, 2020, 11:23:52 PM
(1) my friend Siegbahn refused 1945 to build Swedish A-Bombs unless he could show how they worked (they didn't)
When did he actually say that a-bombs don't work?
1945 Siegbahn was asked by the Swedish government to build a Swedish A-Bomb and to become head of Swedish military defense research. He agreed subject to all details of the bomb being peer reviewed and public. Swedish government decided all must be secret so Siegbahn never built a Swedish A-Bomb. It was done by others! 100% secretly! And in the 1960's all plans of a Swedish A-Bomb were abandoned. Etc, etc.Details are still secret.

So he never actually said that then.

You say nuclear weapons don't exist because governments won't tell you how to make one?

Well duh, of course they aren't going to just tell their enemies how to build their most powerful weapons. Why do you think they have secrets?

That's dumb.
1964 Mr. Siegbahn didn't recommend physics as a career for me. Secret military research of rockets and nuclear weapons, etc, etc. Who wanted to do that as a serious job? So I did shipbuilding and in Japan I met plenty people that had survived WW2 and US terror bombings of Japan. I got the impression that US nuclear attacks of Japan were just propaganda to quickly terminate WW2. The Japanese nuclear bomb museums confirmed it. Just full of propaganda lies. Propaganda is information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view.
And 1999 I met people that had built Stalin's fake A-Bomb 1946/58 with fake uranium produced by Wismut AG.
So I concluded A-Bombs were just propaganda. I had myself used it to frighten the Russians 1965/70 about Sweden filling the Baltic with 100 000 sea mines in a week, if necessary, using civilian ships a mine layers. The Russians never attacked!  Small world. Dumb people believe propaganda.

Your "impressions" of a visit to a museum are not evidence. If anything, it's plain laughable. All of your other "impressions" are just as laughable. You're just a conspiracy theorist seeking attention, that's all. No evidence, just a poorly rendered and researched webpage. So yes, Nuclear Bombs exist as you have presented nothing of any credence to the contrary.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 16, 2020, 04:42:06 AM
Hell with nuke bombs . . .
Do indwelling catheters exist?


Yes,  yes they do. 

Inserted the 7th, gets yanked out on the 21th.

Fukin' pipe is 5/16" dia stuffed right up there.
Got some UBER NUMB from Amazon. 

Sex goo. (google it  ::))

Ahhhhh, yeaaaaaa.


OK, back to Hiawa's stupid BS . . .








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Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 16, 2020, 04:50:18 AM
(1) my friend Siegbahn refused 1945 to build Swedish A-Bombs unless he could show how they worked (they didn't)
When did he actually say that a-bombs don't work?
1945 Siegbahn was asked by the Swedish government to build a Swedish A-Bomb and to become head of Swedish military defense research. He agreed subject to all details of the bomb being peer reviewed and public. Swedish government decided all must be secret so Siegbahn never built a Swedish A-Bomb. It was done by others! 100% secretly! And in the 1960's all plans of a Swedish A-Bomb were abandoned. Etc, etc.Details are still secret.

So he never actually said that then.

You say nuclear weapons don't exist because governments won't tell you how to make one?

Well duh, of course they aren't going to just tell their enemies how to build their most powerful weapons. Why do you think they have secrets?

That's dumb.
1964 Mr. Siegbahn didn't recommend physics as a career for me. Secret military research of rockets and nuclear weapons, etc, etc. Who wanted to do that as a serious job? So I did shipbuilding and in Japan I met plenty people that had survived WW2 and US terror bombings of Japan. I got the impression that US nuclear attacks of Japan were just propaganda to quickly terminate WW2. The Japanese nuclear bomb museums confirmed it. Just full of propaganda lies. Propaganda is information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view.
And 1999 I met people that had built Stalin's fake A-Bomb 1946/58 with fake uranium produced by Wismut AG.
So I concluded A-Bombs were just propaganda. I had myself used it to frighten the Russians 1965/70 about Sweden filling the Baltic with 100 000 sea mines in a week, if necessary, using civilian ships a mine layers. The Russians never attacked!  Small world. Dumb people believe propaganda.

Yet more zero evidence.

Just ranting from a conspiracy theorist.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 16, 2020, 05:05:06 AM
WTF?

I have a silicone tube lodged up into my bladder.
There's only one way in.  Yep, that way.

I deserve to have my agony acknowledged. 

Screw nukes. 

 

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 16, 2020, 05:08:57 AM
WTF?

I have a silicone tube lodged up into my bladder.
There's only one way in.  Yep, that way.

I deserve to have my agony acknowledged. 

Screw nukes.

Is the tube flat or round?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 16, 2020, 05:43:09 AM
WTF?

I have a silicone tube lodged up into my bladder.
There's only one way in.  Yep, that way.

I deserve to have my agony acknowledged. 

Screw nukes.

Is the tube flat or round?

The bubble is inflated after it's in your bladder.
The other end sticks out of your junk.
And there's a hose and a bag.

(Pro Tip:  don't drop the bag. It will jolt you senseless.)

(https://i.imgur.com/jombUsc.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 16, 2020, 06:28:35 AM
WTF?

I have a silicone tube lodged up into my bladder.
There's only one way in.  Yep, that way.

I deserve to have my agony acknowledged. 

Screw nukes.

Is the tube flat or round?

The bubble is inflated after it's in your bladder.
The other end sticks out of your junk.
And there's a hose and a bag.

(Pro Tip:  don't drop the bag. It will jolt you senseless.)

(https://i.imgur.com/jombUsc.jpg?1)

So you admit to being a round tuber, good to know. Imagine a flat tube, like paper flat. That's a paper cut you don't want.

Catheters are NOT pleasant, no. You do have my sympathies for your agony there.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 16, 2020, 07:09:13 AM
(1) my friend Siegbahn refused 1945 to build Swedish A-Bombs unless he could show how they worked (they didn't)
When did he actually say that a-bombs don't work?
1945 Siegbahn was asked by the Swedish government to build a Swedish A-Bomb and to become head of Swedish military defense research. He agreed subject to all details of the bomb being peer reviewed and public. Swedish government decided all must be secret so Siegbahn never built a Swedish A-Bomb. It was done by others! 100% secretly! And in the 1960's all plans of a Swedish A-Bomb were abandoned. Etc, etc.Details are still secret.

So he never actually said that then.

You say nuclear weapons don't exist because governments won't tell you how to make one?

Well duh, of course they aren't going to just tell their enemies how to build their most powerful weapons. Why do you think they have secrets?

That's dumb.
1964 Mr. Siegbahn didn't recommend physics as a career for me. Secret military research of rockets and nuclear weapons, etc, etc. Who wanted to do that as a serious job? So I did shipbuilding and in Japan I met plenty people that had survived WW2 and US terror bombings of Japan. I got the impression that US nuclear attacks of Japan were just propaganda to quickly terminate WW2. The Japanese nuclear bomb museums confirmed it. Just full of propaganda lies. Propaganda is information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view.
And 1999 I met people that had built Stalin's fake A-Bomb 1946/58 with fake uranium produced by Wismut AG.
So I concluded A-Bombs were just propaganda. I had myself used it to frighten the Russians 1965/70 about Sweden filling the Baltic with 100 000 sea mines in a week, if necessary, using civilian ships a mine layers. The Russians never attacked!  Small world. Dumb people believe propaganda.

Your "impressions" of a visit to a museum are not evidence. If anything, it's plain laughable. All of your other "impressions" are just as laughable. You're just a conspiracy theorist seeking attention, that's all. No evidence, just a poorly rendered and researched webpage. So yes, Nuclear Bombs exist as you have presented nothing of any credence to the contrary.
I know about conspiracies and associated theories. I just made a webpage about them - http://heiwaco.com/conspiracy.htm . Enjoy! But it is not my business. Do you have one? And why do you believe in nuclear bombs? 
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 16, 2020, 07:23:08 AM
(1) my friend Siegbahn refused 1945 to build Swedish A-Bombs unless he could show how they worked (they didn't)
When did he actually say that a-bombs don't work?
1945 Siegbahn was asked by the Swedish government to build a Swedish A-Bomb and to become head of Swedish military defense research. He agreed subject to all details of the bomb being peer reviewed and public. Swedish government decided all must be secret so Siegbahn never built a Swedish A-Bomb. It was done by others! 100% secretly! And in the 1960's all plans of a Swedish A-Bomb were abandoned. Etc, etc.Details are still secret.

So he never actually said that then.

You say nuclear weapons don't exist because governments won't tell you how to make one?

Well duh, of course they aren't going to just tell their enemies how to build their most powerful weapons. Why do you think they have secrets?

That's dumb.
1964 Mr. Siegbahn didn't recommend physics as a career for me. Secret military research of rockets and nuclear weapons, etc, etc. Who wanted to do that as a serious job? So I did shipbuilding and in Japan I met plenty people that had survived WW2 and US terror bombings of Japan. I got the impression that US nuclear attacks of Japan were just propaganda to quickly terminate WW2. The Japanese nuclear bomb museums confirmed it. Just full of propaganda lies. Propaganda is information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view.
And 1999 I met people that had built Stalin's fake A-Bomb 1946/58 with fake uranium produced by Wismut AG.
So I concluded A-Bombs were just propaganda. I had myself used it to frighten the Russians 1965/70 about Sweden filling the Baltic with 100 000 sea mines in a week, if necessary, using civilian ships a mine layers. The Russians never attacked!  Small world. Dumb people believe propaganda.

Your "impressions" of a visit to a museum are not evidence. If anything, it's plain laughable. All of your other "impressions" are just as laughable. You're just a conspiracy theorist seeking attention, that's all. No evidence, just a poorly rendered and researched webpage. So yes, Nuclear Bombs exist as you have presented nothing of any credence to the contrary.
I know about conspiracies and associated theories. I just made a webpage about them - http://heiwaco.com/conspiracy.htm . Enjoy! But it is not my business. Do you have one? And why do you believe in nuclear bombs?

You know about conspiracies because you are a conspiracy theorist with a web page full of them, and you now added more.

I could list all the reasons I believe in them, but you have shown that you just flat deny everything with no proof, so why bother?

Go read the thread again.  Plenty of evidence already listed.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 16, 2020, 08:21:37 AM
1964 Mr. Siegbahn didn't recommend physics as a career for me.
Obviously he knew that you didn't have the aptitude for it.  Every time you post, you prove him right.

Secret military research of rockets and nuclear weapons, etc, etc. Who wanted to do that as a serious job?
Do you think that those those are the only serious physics jobs that exist?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 16, 2020, 11:32:15 AM
1964 Mr. Siegbahn didn't recommend physics as a career for me.
Obviously he knew that you didn't have the aptitude for it.  Every time you post, you prove him right.

Secret military research of rockets and nuclear weapons, etc, etc. Who wanted to do that as a serious job?
Do you think that those those are the only serious physics jobs that exist?

You are just jealous that I knew Siegbahn and discussed physics with him and followed his good advice to do something productive and fun.
Imagine becoming a physicist top secretly designing nuclear and energy laser weapons and rockets to kill civilians. Or writing scripts for actors exploring the Universe.
Please remind me what serious physics jobs that exist.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 16, 2020, 11:52:14 AM
Imagine becoming a physicist top secretly designing nuclear and energy laser weapons and rockets to kill civilians. Or writing scripts for actors exploring the Universe.
Please remind me what serious physics jobs that exist.
What about the physicists that design peaceful nuclear power plants?  Or physicists that design the processes for making better semiconductors?  Or physicists who do research in subatomic particles?  Or physicists who work on advanced materials engineering?

No wonder Siegbahn steered you away from physics.  You don't even know what they do.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 16, 2020, 12:07:40 PM
1964 Mr. Siegbahn didn't recommend physics as a career for me.
Obviously he knew that you didn't have the aptitude for it.  Every time you post, you prove him right.

Secret military research of rockets and nuclear weapons, etc, etc. Who wanted to do that as a serious job?
Do you think that those those are the only serious physics jobs that exist?

You are just jealous that I knew Siegbahn and discussed physics with him and followed his good advice to do something productive and fun.
Imagine becoming a physicist top secretly designing nuclear and energy laser weapons and rockets to kill civilians. Or writing scripts for actors exploring the Universe.
Please remind me what serious physics jobs that exist.

I'd rather write scripts for movies and TV, making up stories people enjoy than be like you and make up fantasies in my head about conspiracies and spread them on some little web page.

Those people entertain and educate us.  You just spread lies you make up, no facts, and certainly very little entertainment.

And if you can't think of any physics jobs that are worthwhile, that just shows your vast ignorance.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 16, 2020, 12:12:35 PM
Imagine becoming a physicist top secretly designing nuclear and energy laser weapons and rockets to kill civilians. Or writing scripts for actors exploring the Universe.
Please remind me what serious physics jobs that exist.
What about the physicists that design peaceful nuclear power plants?  Or physicists that design the processes for making better semiconductors?  Or physicists who do research in subatomic particles?  Or physicists who work on advanced materials engineering?

No wonder Siegbahn steered you away from physics.  You don't even know what they do.
Thanks! Nuclear power plants were top of the pops in the 1960's when plenty were built in Sweden and not much developments have happened since. Semiconductors? Same thing. They have gotten smaller and cheaper.
Subatomic particles! Not much money to be made there. I know they say that they finally found one missing particle being looked for since 1950 ... Amazing.
I am very happy that Siegbahn recommended real engineering science 1964. I have had a rich and interesting life since. BTW - what do you do when not writing flat earth posts?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 16, 2020, 12:19:19 PM
1964 Mr. Siegbahn didn't recommend physics as a career for me.
Obviously he knew that you didn't have the aptitude for it.  Every time you post, you prove him right.

Secret military research of rockets and nuclear weapons, etc, etc. Who wanted to do that as a serious job?
Do you think that those those are the only serious physics jobs that exist?

You are just jealous that I knew Siegbahn and discussed physics with him and followed his good advice to do something productive and fun.
Imagine becoming a physicist top secretly designing nuclear and energy laser weapons and rockets to kill civilians. Or writing scripts for actors exploring the Universe.
Please remind me what serious physics jobs that exist.

I'd rather write scripts for movies and TV, making up stories people enjoy than be like you and make up fantasies in my head about conspiracies and spread them on some little web page.

Those people entertain and educate us.  You just spread lies you make up, no facts, and certainly very little entertainment.

And if you can't think of any physics jobs that are worthwhile, that just shows your vast ignorance.
FYI I only know two real conspiracies - the murders of JFK 1963 and Olof Palme 1986. http://heiwaco.com/conspiracy.htm
Nuclear weapons are simple propaganda since 1945 and human Moon/Mars travel is pure entertainment since it started. Of course many marine incidents are manipulated to cover up the real causes but it has gone on for 1000's of years and thus interesting to look into. Safety at sea can always be improved.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 16, 2020, 12:24:18 PM
1964 Mr. Siegbahn didn't recommend physics as a career for me.
Obviously he knew that you didn't have the aptitude for it.  Every time you post, you prove him right.

Secret military research of rockets and nuclear weapons, etc, etc. Who wanted to do that as a serious job?
Do you think that those those are the only serious physics jobs that exist?

You are just jealous that I knew Siegbahn and discussed physics with him and followed his good advice to do something productive and fun.
Imagine becoming a physicist top secretly designing nuclear and energy laser weapons and rockets to kill civilians. Or writing scripts for actors exploring the Universe.
Please remind me what serious physics jobs that exist.

I'd rather write scripts for movies and TV, making up stories people enjoy than be like you and make up fantasies in my head about conspiracies and spread them on some little web page.

Those people entertain and educate us.  You just spread lies you make up, no facts, and certainly very little entertainment.

And if you can't think of any physics jobs that are worthwhile, that just shows your vast ignorance.
FYI I only know two real conspiracies - the murders of JFK 1963 and Olof Palme 1986. http://heiwaco.com/conspiracy.htm
Nuclear weapons are simple propaganda since 1945 and human Moon/Mars travel is pure entertainment since it started. Of course many marine incidents are manipulated to cover up the real causes but it has gone on for 1000's of years and thus interesting to look into. Safety at sea can always be improved.

You only know two conspiracy theories and then go on to list several more.  ::)

Time Cube guy still has you beat, but you're trying!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 16, 2020, 08:54:17 PM
1964 Mr. Siegbahn didn't recommend physics as a career for me.
Obviously he knew that you didn't have the aptitude for it.  Every time you post, you prove him right.

Secret military research of rockets and nuclear weapons, etc, etc. Who wanted to do that as a serious job?
Do you think that those those are the only serious physics jobs that exist?

You are just jealous that I knew Siegbahn and discussed physics with him and followed his good advice to do something productive and fun.
Imagine becoming a physicist top secretly designing nuclear and energy laser weapons and rockets to kill civilians. Or writing scripts for actors exploring the Universe.
Please remind me what serious physics jobs that exist.

I'd rather write scripts for movies and TV, making up stories people enjoy than be like you and make up fantasies in my head about conspiracies and spread them on some little web page.

Those people entertain and educate us.  You just spread lies you make up, no facts, and certainly very little entertainment.

And if you can't think of any physics jobs that are worthwhile, that just shows your vast ignorance.
FYI I only know two real conspiracies - the murders of JFK 1963 and Olof Palme 1986. http://heiwaco.com/conspiracy.htm
Nuclear weapons are simple propaganda since 1945 and human Moon/Mars travel is pure entertainment since it started. Of course many marine incidents are manipulated to cover up the real causes but it has gone on for 1000's of years and thus interesting to look into. Safety at sea can always be improved.

You only know two conspiracy theories and then go on to list several more.  ::)

Time Cube guy still has you beat, but you're trying!
Well, a conspiracy theory is just an explanation for an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful groups, often political in motivation,when other explanations are more probable, and I only know two - the JFK and Palme murders and their explanations. All other alleged conspiracy theories (A-bombs, Moon travel, 911, Estonia sinking, etc) I have explained.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 17, 2020, 04:24:11 AM
Well, a conspiracy theory is just an explanation for an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful groups, often political in motivation,when other explanations are more probable, and I only know two - the JFK and Palme murders and their explanations. All other alleged conspiracy theories (A-bombs, Moon travel, 911, Estonia sinking, etc) I have explained.

No, you just made claims with no facts or evidence to back them up.  That is the core of a conspiracy theory.  You have explained nothing, and simply assert that bombs that destroyed two cities, have been detonated thousands of times by a dozen countries and witnessed by countless people don't exist simply because you say so.

That is exactly what a conspiracy theorist does.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 17, 2020, 04:46:57 AM
Well, a conspiracy theory is just an explanation for an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful groups, often political in motivation,when other explanations are more probable, and I only know two - the JFK and Palme murders and their explanations. All other alleged conspiracy theories (A-bombs, Moon travel, 911, Estonia sinking, etc) I have explained.

No, you just made claims with no facts or evidence to back them up.  That is the core of a conspiracy theory.  You have explained nothing, and simply assert that bombs that destroyed two cities, have been detonated thousands of times by a dozen countries and witnessed by countless people don't exist simply because you say so.

That is exactly what a conspiracy theorist does.
Hm, what do I claim with no facts or evidence as support? Any examples, please.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 17, 2020, 06:14:08 AM
Well, a conspiracy theory is just an explanation for an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful groups, often political in motivation,when other explanations are more probable, and I only know two - the JFK and Palme murders and their explanations. All other alleged conspiracy theories (A-bombs, Moon travel, 911, Estonia sinking, etc) I have explained.
Yes, you've said that they are all propaganda.  Propaganda is a conspiracy tool.  Therefore, invoking propaganda is invoking a conspiracy.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 17, 2020, 08:37:06 AM
Well, a conspiracy theory is just an explanation for an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful groups, often political in motivation,when other explanations are more probable, and I only know two - the JFK and Palme murders and their explanations. All other alleged conspiracy theories (A-bombs, Moon travel, 911, Estonia sinking, etc) I have explained.
Yes, you've said that they are all propaganda.  Propaganda is a conspiracy tool.  Therefore, invoking propaganda is invoking a conspiracy.
Yes, I explain it at my website. The Manhattan project to build nukes failed so USA used napalm carpet bombings instead (that didn't really work). Then it was decided by Truman, Stalin and Hirohito to invent that two nukes worked, so that Japan quickly could surrender 15/16 August 1945 and all killing stopped at once. Media published it as fake news = propaganda. Censorship in Japan helped a lot. But conspiracy?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 17, 2020, 09:17:58 AM
Well, a conspiracy theory is just an explanation for an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful groups, often political in motivation,when other explanations are more probable, and I only know two - the JFK and Palme murders and their explanations. All other alleged conspiracy theories (A-bombs, Moon travel, 911, Estonia sinking, etc) I have explained.
Yes, you've said that they are all propaganda.  Propaganda is a conspiracy tool.  Therefore, invoking propaganda is invoking a conspiracy.
Yes, I explain it at my website. The Manhattan project to build nukes failed so USA used napalm carpet bombings instead (that didn't really work). Then it was decided by Truman, Stalin and Hirohito to invent that two nukes worked, so that Japan quickly could surrender 15/16 August 1945 and all killing stopped at once. Media published it as fake news = propaganda. Censorship in Japan helped a lot. But conspiracy?
Yes, several parties working together to lie to the world is a conspiracy.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on August 17, 2020, 10:29:52 AM
Well, a conspiracy theory is just an explanation for an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful groups, often political in motivation,when other explanations are more probable, and I only know two - the JFK and Palme murders and their explanations. All other alleged conspiracy theories (A-bombs, Moon travel, 911, Estonia sinking, etc) I have explained.
Yes, you've said that they are all propaganda.  Propaganda is a conspiracy tool.  Therefore, invoking propaganda is invoking a conspiracy.
Yes, I explain it at my website. The Manhattan project to build nukes failed so USA used napalm carpet bombings instead (that didn't really work). Then it was decided by Truman, Stalin and Hirohito to invent that two nukes worked, so that Japan quickly could surrender 15/16 August 1945 and all killing stopped at once. Media published it as fake news = propaganda. Censorship in Japan helped a lot. But conspiracy?

Yes, conspiracy. You are a conspiracy theorist by definition. Just accept that fact.

I've been all through your site regarding the A-Bomb. I can't find a single piece of evidence to back your claims. Just a lot of rambling about what your impressions are of this or that. A whole bunch of unrelated things. No evidence. For instance, there's no evidence that Truman, Stalin, and Hirohito decided to invent two nukes. That's you just saying you think that. It's not backed by anything.

What is your best piece of actual evidence? Not just your impressions or assumptions or how you don't like this treaty or that general. Give us one piece of hard evidence.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 17, 2020, 11:26:21 AM
What is your best piece of actual evidence? Not just your impressions or assumptions or how you don't like this treaty or that general. Give us one piece of hard evidence.

Let me save Heiwa the trouble of replying since we all know what he will say.

"I explain it all on my website."
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 17, 2020, 12:14:19 PM
Well, a conspiracy theory is just an explanation for an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful groups, often political in motivation,when other explanations are more probable, and I only know two - the JFK and Palme murders and their explanations. All other alleged conspiracy theories (A-bombs, Moon travel, 911, Estonia sinking, etc) I have explained.
Yes, you've said that they are all propaganda.  Propaganda is a conspiracy tool.  Therefore, invoking propaganda is invoking a conspiracy.
Yes, I explain it at my website. The Manhattan project to build nukes failed so USA used napalm carpet bombings instead (that didn't really work). Then it was decided by Truman, Stalin and Hirohito to invent that two nukes worked, so that Japan quickly could surrender 15/16 August 1945 and all killing stopped at once. Media published it as fake news = propaganda. Censorship in Japan helped a lot. But conspiracy?
Yes, several parties working together to lie to the world is a conspiracy.
No, come on. FDR 1941/5 loved Stalin to get rid of Hitler. My style. So they got rid of Adolf 45, even if it took time. No conspiracy. Unless you adore Hitler. Do you?
And then only FDR and Stalin was around. But FDR died and Churchill lost so Truman entered the arena. With Stalin. Only Hirohito the Jap left. And they agreed 45 that nuclear bombs existed = WW2 was finally over. Conspiracy?
No. Media reported everything!
Like today.
No conspiracy except JFK and Palme. The rest? Fake news!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 17, 2020, 12:29:13 PM
Imagine that people believe that JFK was killed 1963 by an idiot that couldn't hit a rabbit with anything. The idiot was later murdered in US police custody. How convenient!
Or that Swedish prime minister Palme was killed 1986 in a street corner by an idiot that couldn't fire a gun. That idiot agreed to everything but was released by a Swedish court. 34 years later Swedish law found the real killer! Dead since 20 years. Headline news. Killer found!
And I just suggest A-Bombs do not exist. And plenty idiots suggest I am wrong.
Why not? I just smile about it.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on August 17, 2020, 03:16:24 PM
Imagine that people believe that JFK was killed 1963 by an idiot that couldn't hit a rabbit with anything. The idiot was later murdered in US police custody. How convenient!
Or that Swedish prime minister Palme was killed 1986 in a street corner by an idiot that couldn't fire a gun. That idiot agreed to everything but was released by a Swedish court. 34 years later Swedish law found the real killer! Dead since 20 years. Headline news. Killer found!
And I just suggest A-Bombs do not exist. And plenty idiots suggest I am wrong.
Why not? I just smile about it.

That's the whole point. All you do on your site is "suggest" something can't exist and do so without evidence. It's filled with your impressions and your likes and dislikes, but no evidence. So do you have one piece of concrete evidence to back your claims? And you can stop referring everyone to your site because there's nothing there.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 17, 2020, 05:01:54 PM
Imagine that people believe that JFK was killed 1963 by an idiot that couldn't hit a rabbit with anything. The idiot was later murdered in US police custody. How convenient!
Or that Swedish prime minister Palme was killed 1986 in a street corner by an idiot that couldn't fire a gun. That idiot agreed to everything but was released by a Swedish court. 34 years later Swedish law found the real killer! Dead since 20 years. Headline news. Killer found!
And I just suggest A-Bombs do not exist. And plenty idiots suggest I am wrong.
Why not? I just smile about it.

That's the whole point. All you do on your site is "suggest" something can't exist and do so without evidence. It's filled with your impressions and your likes and dislikes, but no evidence. So do you have one piece of concrete evidence to back your claims? And you can stop referring everyone to your site because there's nothing there.
Well, you have to visit my website as all is there. Or visit the A-Bomb museums with their lies. Or visit the site at NM where US exploded the first A-Bomb and created a big crater, which is not there. Or visit the Wismut AG uranium mines in former East Germany (Sachsen) where Stalin got his uranium. No uranium anywhere! Or visit the USSR A-Bomb test stations! Nothing ever exploded there! Most 'scientists' doing the tests are dead but read their reports about it. All reports are pure propaganda. And the surviving Japanese witnesses. I saw a BIG FLASH that killed everyone ... except me, etc, etc.
As I say at my site. Let's do a test with an existing A-Bomb in front of invited guests = me. Or talk to the 'experts' at IAEA. They are paid to lie about 'explosive fission'.  Conspiracy? No, just plenty Fake News everywhere.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 17, 2020, 05:57:04 PM
Imagine that people believe that JFK was killed 1963 by an idiot that couldn't hit a rabbit with anything. The idiot was later murdered in US police custody. How convenient!
Or that Swedish prime minister Palme was killed 1986 in a street corner by an idiot that couldn't fire a gun. That idiot agreed to everything but was released by a Swedish court. 34 years later Swedish law found the real killer! Dead since 20 years. Headline news. Killer found!
And I just suggest A-Bombs do not exist. And plenty idiots suggest I am wrong.
Why not? I just smile about it.

That's the whole point. All you do on your site is "suggest" something can't exist and do so without evidence. It's filled with your impressions and your likes and dislikes, but no evidence. So do you have one piece of concrete evidence to back your claims? And you can stop referring everyone to your site because there's nothing there.
Well, you have to visit my website as all is there. Or visit the A-Bomb museums with their lies. Or visit the site at NM where US exploded the first A-Bomb and created a big crater, which is not there. Or visit the Wismut AG uranium mines in former East Germany (Sachsen) where Stalin got his uranium. No uranium anywhere! Or visit the USSR A-Bomb test stations! Nothing ever exploded there! Most 'scientists' doing the tests are dead but read their reports about it. All reports are pure propaganda. And the surviving Japanese witnesses. I saw a BIG FLASH that killed everyone ... except me, etc, etc.
As I say at my site. Let's do a test with an existing A-Bomb in front of invited guests = me. Or talk to the 'experts' at IAEA. They are paid to lie about 'explosive fission'.  Conspiracy? No, just plenty Fake News everywhere.

Classic Heiwa.

How suspicious that the only people who witnessed the explosion were the survivors. Why didn't any of the dead people testify?

 ::)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on August 17, 2020, 06:36:34 PM
Imagine that people believe that JFK was killed 1963 by an idiot that couldn't hit a rabbit with anything. The idiot was later murdered in US police custody. How convenient!
Or that Swedish prime minister Palme was killed 1986 in a street corner by an idiot that couldn't fire a gun. That idiot agreed to everything but was released by a Swedish court. 34 years later Swedish law found the real killer! Dead since 20 years. Headline news. Killer found!
And I just suggest A-Bombs do not exist. And plenty idiots suggest I am wrong.
Why not? I just smile about it.

That's the whole point. All you do on your site is "suggest" something can't exist and do so without evidence. It's filled with your impressions and your likes and dislikes, but no evidence. So do you have one piece of concrete evidence to back your claims? And you can stop referring everyone to your site because there's nothing there.
Well, you have to visit my website as all is there. Or visit the A-Bomb museums with their lies. Or visit the site at NM where US exploded the first A-Bomb and created a big crater, which is not there. Or visit the Wismut AG uranium mines in former East Germany (Sachsen) where Stalin got his uranium. No uranium anywhere! Or visit the USSR A-Bomb test stations! Nothing ever exploded there! Most 'scientists' doing the tests are dead but read their reports about it. All reports are pure propaganda. And the surviving Japanese witnesses. I saw a BIG FLASH that killed everyone ... except me, etc, etc.
As I say at my site. Let's do a test with an existing A-Bomb in front of invited guests = me. Or talk to the 'experts' at IAEA. They are paid to lie about 'explosive fission'.  Conspiracy? No, just plenty Fake News everywhere.

Classic Heiwa.

How suspicious that the only people who witnessed the explosion were the survivors. Why didn't any of the dead people testify?

 ::)

Don't leave me out as I was a witness to the flash, from the operation fish bowl.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 17, 2020, 07:31:12 PM
As I say at my site. Let's do a test with an existing A-Bomb in front of invited guests = me.
They already did a test with an existing atomic bomb on live television in 1952.  Did you watch it?  Sorry if you missed your chance.
https://www.history.com/news/live-from-nevada-its-an-a-bomb-test


Reporters have covered a number of test explosions.
Quote from: https://www.latimes.com/visuals/photography/la-me-fw-archives-journalists-witness-nevada-abomb-tests-20170525-story.html
In the 1950s, journalists were invited by the Atomic Energy Commission to witness some of the test explosions. On March 17, 1953, Los Angeles Times staff writer Gene Sherman joined soldiers in trenches two miles from ground zero for one test.

Tough luck that you missed your chance to see test explosions.  That doesn't mean that they were all fake propaganda.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 17, 2020, 09:01:08 PM
As I say at my site. Let's do a test with an existing A-Bomb in front of invited guests = me.
They already did a test with an existing atomic bomb on live television in 1952.  Did you watch it?  Sorry if you missed your chance.
https://www.history.com/news/live-from-nevada-its-an-a-bomb-test


Reporters have covered a number of test explosions.
Quote from: https://www.latimes.com/visuals/photography/la-me-fw-archives-journalists-witness-nevada-abomb-tests-20170525-story.html
In the 1950s, journalists were invited by the Atomic Energy Commission to witness some of the test explosions. On March 17, 1953, Los Angeles Times staff writer Gene Sherman joined soldiers in trenches two miles from ground zero for one test.

Tough luck that you missed your chance to see test explosions.  That doesn't mean that they were all fake propaganda.
There are plenty people, e.g. at Hiroshima and Nagasaki August 1945 (i.e. 75 years ago) that observed a FLASH in the sky above and noted all people around them died. They think it was an A-Bomb exploding and that they survived to tell the world just that.
Problem is that nobody is assumed to survive such a FLASH.
So I assume they were paid to tell their stories as part of a real propaganda attack.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on August 18, 2020, 12:34:35 AM
As I say at my site. Let's do a test with an existing A-Bomb in front of invited guests = me.
They already did a test with an existing atomic bomb on live television in 1952.  Did you watch it?  Sorry if you missed your chance.
https://www.history.com/news/live-from-nevada-its-an-a-bomb-test


Reporters have covered a number of test explosions.
Quote from: https://www.latimes.com/visuals/photography/la-me-fw-archives-journalists-witness-nevada-abomb-tests-20170525-story.html
In the 1950s, journalists were invited by the Atomic Energy Commission to witness some of the test explosions. On March 17, 1953, Los Angeles Times staff writer Gene Sherman joined soldiers in trenches two miles from ground zero for one test.

Tough luck that you missed your chance to see test explosions.  That doesn't mean that they were all fake propaganda.
There are plenty people, e.g. at Hiroshima and Nagasaki August 1945 (i.e. 75 years ago) that observed a FLASH in the sky above and noted all people around them died. They think it was an A-Bomb exploding and that they survived to tell the world just that.
Problem is that nobody is assumed to survive such a FLASH.
So I assume they were paid to tell their stories as part of a real propaganda attack.

Again, "So I assume they were paid to tell their stories as part of a real propaganda attack." Classic conspiracy theorist. If they were paid to lie, that's a conspiracy. They were paid and conspiring to lie. How you don't get that is astounding.

And no, your website doesn't provide any evidence. It's just more of the same, "I assume..." over, and over, and over again.

This is not evidence (from your site):

- Visit the A-Bomb museums with their lies (What lies? Just because you don't believe in A-Bombs you claim the museum is full of lies. Quite circular and again, no evidence, just your "impression")
- The first A-Bomb and created a big crater, which is not there. (Really? Evidence? It's not on your site, you just saying there should be a crater and there isn't one - That's not evidence - That's just you saying so)
- Or visit the Wismut AG uranium mines - No uranium anywhere (Again, you just saying so, no evidence - And why am I to believe there was, is, or never was Uranium there - Again, no evidence here or on your site)
- "All reports are pure propaganda." - (Do you even read out loud what you write? Zero evidence, you just stating something - Classic Conspiracy Theorist 101) "All stuff is not true according to me..." Pathetique
- "As I say at my site. Let's do a test with an existing A-Bomb in front of invited guests = me". (Why would anyone talk to you, let alone invite you to anything? You read like a typical bizarre conspiracy theorist crackpot. No one in their right mind would give you the time of day. And you being loco is precisely the reason why anyone would keep you far away from anything of any import - It's really that simple)

What's the one piece of data you have that backs your claims? There's nothing on your sites. You must have something. No? So far, nothing.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 18, 2020, 02:46:07 AM
As I say at my site. Let's do a test with an existing A-Bomb in front of invited guests = me.
They already did a test with an existing atomic bomb on live television in 1952.  Did you watch it?  Sorry if you missed your chance.
https://www.history.com/news/live-from-nevada-its-an-a-bomb-test


Reporters have covered a number of test explosions.
Quote from: https://www.latimes.com/visuals/photography/la-me-fw-archives-journalists-witness-nevada-abomb-tests-20170525-story.html
In the 1950s, journalists were invited by the Atomic Energy Commission to witness some of the test explosions. On March 17, 1953, Los Angeles Times staff writer Gene Sherman joined soldiers in trenches two miles from ground zero for one test.

Tough luck that you missed your chance to see test explosions.  That doesn't mean that they were all fake propaganda.
There are plenty people, e.g. at Hiroshima and Nagasaki August 1945 (i.e. 75 years ago) that observed a FLASH in the sky above and noted all people around them died. They think it was an A-Bomb exploding and that they survived to tell the world just that.
Problem is that nobody is assumed to survive such a FLASH.
So I assume they were paid to tell their stories as part of a real propaganda attack.

Again, "So I assume they were paid to tell their stories as part of a real propaganda attack." Classic conspiracy theorist. If they were paid to lie, that's a conspiracy. They were paid and conspiring to lie. How you don't get that is astounding.

And no, your website doesn't provide any evidence. It's just more of the same, "I assume..." over, and over, and over again.

This is not evidence (from your site):

- Visit the A-Bomb museums with their lies (What lies? Just because you don't believe in A-Bombs you claim the museum is full of lies. Quite circular and again, no evidence, just your "impression")
- The first A-Bomb and created a big crater, which is not there. (Really? Evidence? It's not on your site, you just saying there should be a crater and there isn't one - That's not evidence - That's just you saying so)
- Or visit the Wismut AG uranium mines - No uranium anywhere (Again, you just saying so, no evidence - And why am I to believe there was, is, or never was Uranium there - Again, no evidence here or on your site)
- "All reports are pure propaganda." - (Do you even read out loud what you write? Zero evidence, you just stating something - Classic Conspiracy Theorist 101) "All stuff is not true according to me..." Pathetique
- "As I say at my site. Let's do a test with an existing A-Bomb in front of invited guests = me". (Why would anyone talk to you, let alone invite you to anything? You read like a typical bizarre conspiracy theorist crackpot. No one in their right mind would give you the time of day. And you being loco is precisely the reason why anyone would keep you far away from anything of any import - It's really that simple)

What's the one piece of data you have that backs your claims? There's nothing on your sites. You must have something. No? So far, nothing.
Don't assume. Do research! Do you think a reply to your stupid comments being paid? So why do I reply to you?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 18, 2020, 04:50:39 AM
As I say at my site. Let's do a test with an existing A-Bomb in front of invited guests = me.
They already did a test with an existing atomic bomb on live television in 1952.  Did you watch it?  Sorry if you missed your chance.
https://www.history.com/news/live-from-nevada-its-an-a-bomb-test


Reporters have covered a number of test explosions.
Quote from: https://www.latimes.com/visuals/photography/la-me-fw-archives-journalists-witness-nevada-abomb-tests-20170525-story.html
In the 1950s, journalists were invited by the Atomic Energy Commission to witness some of the test explosions. On March 17, 1953, Los Angeles Times staff writer Gene Sherman joined soldiers in trenches two miles from ground zero for one test.

Tough luck that you missed your chance to see test explosions.  That doesn't mean that they were all fake propaganda.
There are plenty people, e.g. at Hiroshima and Nagasaki August 1945 (i.e. 75 years ago) that observed a FLASH in the sky above and noted all people around them died. They think it was an A-Bomb exploding and that they survived to tell the world just that.
Problem is that nobody is assumed to survive such a FLASH.
So I assume they were paid to tell their stories as part of a real propaganda attack.

That's just retarded.

Where is your source for your crazy "nobody is assumed to survive the flash" claim?

I want to see where you read that, or if you just made it up in your head like everything else.

Because nobody is saying that everyone who saw the flash died. Nobody. Except you.

All you do is ASSUME crazy stuff you make up in your own mind. None of what you are saying is real, just delusions.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 18, 2020, 05:24:59 AM
As I say at my site. Let's do a test with an existing A-Bomb in front of invited guests = me.
They already did a test with an existing atomic bomb on live television in 1952.  Did you watch it?  Sorry if you missed your chance.
https://www.history.com/news/live-from-nevada-its-an-a-bomb-test


Reporters have covered a number of test explosions.
Quote from: https://www.latimes.com/visuals/photography/la-me-fw-archives-journalists-witness-nevada-abomb-tests-20170525-story.html
In the 1950s, journalists were invited by the Atomic Energy Commission to witness some of the test explosions. On March 17, 1953, Los Angeles Times staff writer Gene Sherman joined soldiers in trenches two miles from ground zero for one test.

Tough luck that you missed your chance to see test explosions.  That doesn't mean that they were all fake propaganda.
There are plenty people, e.g. at Hiroshima and Nagasaki August 1945 (i.e. 75 years ago) that observed a FLASH in the sky above and noted all people around them died. They think it was an A-Bomb exploding and that they survived to tell the world just that.
Problem is that nobody is assumed to survive such a FLASH.
So I assume they were paid to tell their stories as part of a real propaganda attack.

That's just retarded.

Where is your source for your crazy "nobody is assumed to survive the flash" claim?

I want to see where you read that, or if you just made it up in your head like everything else.

Because nobody is saying that everyone who saw the flash died. Nobody. Except you.

All you do is ASSUME crazy stuff you make up in your own mind. None of what you are saying is real, just delusions.
No, >200 000 civilians at Nagasaki and Hiroshima observed a FLASH and then died, while the towns disappeared around them. And then there were some 100 lucky ones that survived and testified and told the story that it must have been an A-Bomb exploding at 500 m altitude above.
Have you ever seen an A-Bomb exploding above you?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 18, 2020, 05:46:47 AM
As I say at my site. Let's do a test with an existing A-Bomb in front of invited guests = me.
They already did a test with an existing atomic bomb on live television in 1952.  Did you watch it?  Sorry if you missed your chance.
https://www.history.com/news/live-from-nevada-its-an-a-bomb-test


Reporters have covered a number of test explosions.
Quote from: https://www.latimes.com/visuals/photography/la-me-fw-archives-journalists-witness-nevada-abomb-tests-20170525-story.html
In the 1950s, journalists were invited by the Atomic Energy Commission to witness some of the test explosions. On March 17, 1953, Los Angeles Times staff writer Gene Sherman joined soldiers in trenches two miles from ground zero for one test.

Tough luck that you missed your chance to see test explosions.  That doesn't mean that they were all fake propaganda.
There are plenty people, e.g. at Hiroshima and Nagasaki August 1945 (i.e. 75 years ago) that observed a FLASH in the sky above and noted all people around them died. They think it was an A-Bomb exploding and that they survived to tell the world just that.
Problem is that nobody is assumed to survive such a FLASH.
So I assume they were paid to tell their stories as part of a real propaganda attack.

That's just retarded.

Where is your source for your crazy "nobody is assumed to survive the flash" claim?

I want to see where you read that, or if you just made it up in your head like everything else.

Because nobody is saying that everyone who saw the flash died. Nobody. Except you.

All you do is ASSUME crazy stuff you make up in your own mind. None of what you are saying is real, just delusions.
No, >200 000 civilians at Nagasaki and Hiroshima observed a FLASH and then died, while the towns disappeared around them. And then there were some 100 lucky ones that survived and testified and told the story that it must have been an A-Bomb exploding at 500 m altitude above.
Have you ever seen an A-Bomb exploding above you?

You just keep making up things like this. Nothing you said is true, it's all just coming out of your own imagination.

This is what a conspiracy theorist does, just makes stuff up and believes it instead of reality.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 18, 2020, 06:50:36 AM
As I say at my site. Let's do a test with an existing A-Bomb in front of invited guests = me.
They already did a test with an existing atomic bomb on live television in 1952.  Did you watch it?  Sorry if you missed your chance.
https://www.history.com/news/live-from-nevada-its-an-a-bomb-test


Reporters have covered a number of test explosions.
Quote from: https://www.latimes.com/visuals/photography/la-me-fw-archives-journalists-witness-nevada-abomb-tests-20170525-story.html
In the 1950s, journalists were invited by the Atomic Energy Commission to witness some of the test explosions. On March 17, 1953, Los Angeles Times staff writer Gene Sherman joined soldiers in trenches two miles from ground zero for one test.

Tough luck that you missed your chance to see test explosions.  That doesn't mean that they were all fake propaganda.
There are plenty people, e.g. at Hiroshima and Nagasaki August 1945 (i.e. 75 years ago) that observed a FLASH in the sky above and noted all people around them died. They think it was an A-Bomb exploding and that they survived to tell the world just that.
Problem is that nobody is assumed to survive such a FLASH.
So I assume they were paid to tell their stories as part of a real propaganda attack.

That's just retarded.

Where is your source for your crazy "nobody is assumed to survive the flash" claim?

I want to see where you read that, or if you just made it up in your head like everything else.

Because nobody is saying that everyone who saw the flash died. Nobody. Except you.

All you do is ASSUME crazy stuff you make up in your own mind. None of what you are saying is real, just delusions.
No, >200 000 civilians at Nagasaki and Hiroshima observed a FLASH and then died, while the towns disappeared around them. And then there were some 100 lucky ones that survived and testified and told the story that it must have been an A-Bomb exploding at 500 m altitude above.
Have you ever seen an A-Bomb exploding above you?

You just keep making up things like this. Nothing you said is true, it's all just coming out of your own imagination.

This is what a conspiracy theorist does, just makes stuff up and believes it instead of reality.
After having lived in Japan and Saxony for many years I learnt that no A-Bombs exploded anywhere in Japan 1945 and that  no uranium was mined in Saxony for Stalin's A-Bombs 1946/91. It was just Fake News all the time that idiots believe in. Of course they have never been in Japan or Saxony.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 18, 2020, 06:55:19 AM
After having lived in Japan and Saxony for many years I learnt that no A-Bombs exploded anywhere in Japan 1945 and that  no uranium was mined in Saxony for Stalin's A-Bombs 1946/91. It was just Fake News all the time that idiots believe in. Of course they have never been in Japan or Saxony.

Let me fix that. After having lived in Japan and Saxony for many years, you began to have delusions and made a website about them.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 18, 2020, 08:23:13 AM
After having lived in Japan and Saxony for many years I learnt that no A-Bombs exploded anywhere in Japan 1945 and that  no uranium was mined in Saxony for Stalin's A-Bombs 1946/91. It was just Fake News all the time that idiots believe in. Of course they have never been in Japan or Saxony.

Let me fix that. After having lived in Japan and Saxony for many years, you began to have delusions and made a website about them.
No, I live in France overlooking Monte Carlo, Monaco, since >40 years and my web site is soon >25 years old. Before that I was in Japan, but I move around in the biz, so Saxony I really got to know 1999/2016. What do you do for a living? Writing stupid flat earth posts?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 18, 2020, 08:26:32 AM
After having lived in Japan and Saxony for many years I learnt that no A-Bombs exploded anywhere in Japan 1945 and that  no uranium was mined in Saxony for Stalin's A-Bombs 1946/91. It was just Fake News all the time that idiots believe in. Of course they have never been in Japan or Saxony.

Let me fix that. After having lived in Japan and Saxony for many years, you began to have delusions and made a website about them.
No, I live in France overlooking Monte Carlo, Monaco, since >40 years and my web site is soon >25 years old. Before that I was in Japan, but I move around in the biz, so Saxony I really got to know 1999/2016. What do you do for a living? Writing stupid flat earth posts?

No, you have that position securely filled. :P
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 18, 2020, 09:44:59 AM
After having lived in Japan and Saxony for many years I learnt that no A-Bombs exploded anywhere in Japan 1945 and that  no uranium was mined in Saxony for Stalin's A-Bombs 1946/91. It was just Fake News all the time that idiots believe in. Of course they have never been in Japan or Saxony.

Let me fix that. After having lived in Japan and Saxony for many years, you began to have delusions and made a website about them.
No, I live in France overlooking Monte Carlo, Monaco, since >40 years and my web site is soon >25 years old. Before that I was in Japan, but I move around in the biz, so Saxony I really got to know 1999/2016. What do you do for a living? Writing stupid flat earth posts?

No, you have that position securely filled. :P
Hm, I am in good health and rich after a career that started in the 1960's and well known. What about you? Have you ever done some real work?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 18, 2020, 10:01:02 AM
After having lived in Japan and Saxony for many years I learnt that no A-Bombs exploded anywhere in Japan 1945 and that  no uranium was mined in Saxony for Stalin's A-Bombs 1946/91. It was just Fake News all the time that idiots believe in. Of course they have never been in Japan or Saxony.

Let me fix that. After having lived in Japan and Saxony for many years, you began to have delusions and made a website about them.
No, I live in France overlooking Monte Carlo, Monaco, since >40 years and my web site is soon >25 years old. Before that I was in Japan, but I move around in the biz, so Saxony I really got to know 1999/2016. What do you do for a living? Writing stupid flat earth posts?

No, you have that position securely filled. :P
Hm, I am in good health and rich after a career that started in the 1960's and well known. What about you? Have you ever done some real work?

Yeah, I do real work.  I feel bad if you did have a good career, that it dive-bombed into becoming a conspiracy theorist. At least you have money so won't end up a raving lunatic on the streets like some I have known.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sandokhan on August 18, 2020, 11:10:42 AM
What caused the shock wave of the Beirut, Lebanon explosion?

It was not "nuclear".
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 18, 2020, 11:20:49 AM
What caused the shock wave of the Beirut, Lebanon explosion?

It was not "nuclear".

That would be a large amount of ammonium nitrate catching fire.  Much smaller than a nuclear explosion would have been.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sandokhan on August 18, 2020, 11:29:56 AM
Those ape genes again...

No ANFO explosion.

A Lebanese mining engineer writing in response to claims Beirut was a “fertilizer explosion.”

“I have to say I disagree with this gentleman. The moment he hesitated to answer the very first ‘yes’ or ‘no’ question posed to him when asked if a match tossed on a pile of ammonia nitrate would initiate a catastrophic explosion, he hesitated for a few seconds before answering and I knew immediately that whatever he was going to say was may be a bit cloudy and opaque.

I’ve worked in the open pit mining industry all my life as a surveyor and a blasting technician. For my last two years at a large open pit coal operation in the British Columbia foothills, my job was designing the blast patterns and deciding which explosive product to load into the drill holes.

We used ANFO, a mixture of ammonia nitrate and diesel fuel. The AN stands for ammonia nitrate and FO stands for fuel oil or diesel fuel. We used a product called HANFO or what is called heavy anfo. It was called heavy anfo because it had a higher concentration of diesel fuel in its mixture, hence the term Heavy anfo.
 
Both anfo and heavy anfo have to be used in dry holes. If the holes are wet, the diesel component would wash out and the ammonia nitrate by itself would not ignite.
 
In those instances we would line the drill holes with plastic liners and then load the anfo or heavy anfo into the plastic liners. If it still proved too wet, we went to a very expensive product called Magnafrac. It was a slurry based emulsion that was more or less water proof, but still, if left to sit too long, the slurry would decompose and fail to ignite.
 
Heavy anfo has a higher power factor than regular anfo. That means more bang for the buck or more explosive energy. The name of the game was always to blast the most amount of rock with the least amount of actual product loaded. This is called the powder factor. The lower you can keep the powder factor and still break the host rock, the cheaper the cost. Anfo cheapest, hanfo, more expensive, Magnafrac very expensive which drove the powder factor up. The goal was to maintain a balance.
 
I’ve handled all of these products, loaded them, helped the blast crew tie the pattern in with DET cord and basically pulled the trigger. We used blasting wire connected to a blasting machine like you see in the old movies where the bad guys are trying to blow up railroad tracks. In the early 90’s, the wire and blasting machine was replaced with a much more efficient system we called non-electric blasting.
 
There was no electric charge produced to run down the yellow blasting wire to the DET cord and initiate the blast.
 
What was used was a product called ‘shock tube’. It was a small diameter hollow plastic tubing about 3 or 4 millimeters in diameter that had a very small powdery dusting of an explosive called ‘pentlandite’ a type of your basic TNT. It was called shock tube for a reason because it was non-electric. It is basically a fundamental shock wave generator, (shock tubes) either compressed air-driven or detonation-driven). It produces a ‘blast shock wave’. This is the lead shock wave that then in turn initiates the DET cord, then the explosive.
 
To initiate the detonation there was a small, for lack of a better word, I will say clacker, that you could step on. The non electric energy released when the clacker was stepped on was sufficient to ignite the very minute amount of powdered explosive in the shock tube that ran and initiated the DET cord which of course ran into each drilled hole filled with the actual explosive product used in the blast pattern itself.
 
Now here is where the rubber meets the road. Up until now we are talking inert elements and components that combined or by themselves couldn’t blow up a box of Kleenex.

The key to all this were the 500 gram TNT detonators placed at the bottom of each drill hole at the bottom of the explosives. We generally used 2 500 gram TNT detonators per hole.
 
That is where the ignition took place. Now listen carefully, it takes a TNT detonation to initiate or ignite a load of Anfo, Hanfo or Magnafrac. What I mean by that is that for Anfo to detonate, it needs the violence of a TNT initiation before it itself will actually detonate. I’ve watched Anfo catch fire and burn numerous times.
 
It won’t explode, it will just burn. And if it doesn’t have the diesel fuel mixture it won’t even do that. Ammonia Nitrate is a commercial fertilizer. The company employees were each given two twenty Kilo bags of Ammonia Nitrate every spring to fertilize their lawns. It will quite literally turn a brown lawn a vibrant green over night. That practice was discontinued in about 1993, at least at the mine I was employed at during that time span.
 
An automobile or truck perhaps running at speed, exploding and slamming into a mound of anfo etc. might be able to deliver the explosive force necessary to detonate the explosive product. Or the shock wave required. (or a missile or bomb)
 
We used to make the ammonia nitrate prills off mine site at a facility that was used by the explosive company that provided all the explosive product to our site. This is a huge, explosive company that is global in scope. And I will add that in all my time working with them and handling the various products, they/we used, they had a stellar safety record.
 
I’ve probably missed a lot and/or left out some information but this is all that I can recall to mind without having to refer to my various texts and notes.

So were there pumps, in this storage facility, was there fuel oil saturating the ammonia nitrate that gradually was absorbed over time?”

That answer is simple, if ammonium nitrate was stored in Warehouse 12 as some claim, it was fertilizer and could never explode.


Based on the crater size and 3.5 Richter scale reading the explosion was equal to 6 kilotons of TNT.

Certainly, the scale of the shock wave could have been much greater.

So, what did cause the shock wave of the explosion?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 18, 2020, 11:39:53 AM
Those ape genes again...

No ANFO explosion.

A Lebanese mining engineer writing in response to claims Beirut was a “fertilizer explosion.”

Why am I not surprised you of course, have a conspiracy theory to claim the explosion was something else.

You being an expert of course on explosions.

Is ANYTHING real in your weird world?  What a scary place it must be, everything is a mystery, a cover-up, or an evil plot.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 18, 2020, 11:43:40 AM
After having lived in Japan and Saxony for many years I learnt that no A-Bombs exploded anywhere in Japan 1945 and that  no uranium was mined in Saxony for Stalin's A-Bombs 1946/91. It was just Fake News all the time that idiots believe in. Of course they have never been in Japan or Saxony.

Let me fix that. After having lived in Japan and Saxony for many years, you began to have delusions and made a website about them.
No, I live in France overlooking Monte Carlo, Monaco, since >40 years and my web site is soon >25 years old. Before that I was in Japan, but I move around in the biz, so Saxony I really got to know 1999/2016. What do you do for a living? Writing stupid flat earth posts?

No, you have that position securely filled. :P
Hm, I am in good health and rich after a career that started in the 1960's and well known. What about you? Have you ever done some real work?

Yeah, I do real work.  I feel bad if you did have a good career, that it dive-bombed into becoming a conspiracy theorist. At least you have money so won't end up a raving lunatic on the streets like some I have known.
What kind of real work?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sandokhan on August 18, 2020, 11:45:19 AM
No conspiracy, just an inquiry.

No ANFO explosion.

So what did cause the tremendous shock wave of the explosion?

Have you ever heard of project squid? Wirbelringkanone weapon?

The collision of two 100 meter diameter ball lightning spheres caused the shock wave of the Tunguska explosion.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 18, 2020, 11:50:47 AM
No conspiracy, just an inquiry.

No ANFO explosion.

So what did cause the tremendous shock wave of the explosion?

Have you ever heard of project squid? Wirbelringkanone weapon?

The collision of two 100 meter diameter ball lightning spheres caused the shock wave of the Tunguska explosion.

Yeah... not a conspiracy theory. Just ball lightning, Tesla, project squid, weapons... uh-hu.

All based on you reading some random thing on the internet. Business as usual.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 18, 2020, 11:53:01 AM
After having lived in Japan and Saxony for many years I learnt that no A-Bombs exploded anywhere in Japan 1945 and that  no uranium was mined in Saxony for Stalin's A-Bombs 1946/91. It was just Fake News all the time that idiots believe in. Of course they have never been in Japan or Saxony.

Let me fix that. After having lived in Japan and Saxony for many years, you began to have delusions and made a website about them.
No, I live in France overlooking Monte Carlo, Monaco, since >40 years and my web site is soon >25 years old. Before that I was in Japan, but I move around in the biz, so Saxony I really got to know 1999/2016. What do you do for a living? Writing stupid flat earth posts?

No, you have that position securely filled. :P
Hm, I am in good health and rich after a career that started in the 1960's and well known. What about you? Have you ever done some real work?

Yeah, I do real work.  I feel bad if you did have a good career, that it dive-bombed into becoming a conspiracy theorist. At least you have money so won't end up a raving lunatic on the streets like some I have known.
What kind of real work?

Yeah, I'm not going to put my real information on a site where people think NASA employees are ninjas that murder flat earthers and that I'm one of them.

If you think that's a good idea.. you're crazier than I thought. :D
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 18, 2020, 01:19:28 PM
So were there pumps, in this storage facility, was there fuel oil saturating the ammonia nitrate that gradually was absorbed over time?”

That answer is simple, if ammonium nitrate was stored in Warehouse 12 as some claim, it was fertilizer and could never explode.
Has your source ever had to deal with 2750 tons of improperly stored ammonium nitrate that was set on fire near a fireworks factory?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on August 18, 2020, 01:36:53 PM
No conspiracy, just an inquiry.

No ANFO explosion.

So what did cause the tremendous shock wave of the explosion?

Have you ever heard of project squid? Wirbelringkanone weapon?

The collision of two 100 meter diameter ball lightning spheres caused the shock wave of the Tunguska explosion.

This is not the first ammonium nitrate explosion, there have been many:

A look at some deadly explosions involving ammonium nitrate
https://apnews.com/53f4206a7f1db0812262a15d22e1e58f

- Aug. 12, 2015: A massive warehouse explosion rocked the port city of Tianjin, China
- April 17, 2013: A fire intentionally set at the West Fertilizer Co. facility in West, Texas, caused ammonium nitrate to ignite
- April 22, 2004: An explosion in the North Korean town of Ryongchon
- Oct. 12, 2002: A series of nightclub bombings on the Indonesian island of Bali
- Sept. 21, 2001: A chemical plant explosion in Toulouse, France
- April 19, 1995: The deliberate explosion of a 4,800-pound (2,200-kilogram), fertilizer-and-fuel-oil bomb in a rented Ryder truck parked outside the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City

None were caused by tesla lighting balls or whatever other weird thing you dredged up.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sandokhan on August 18, 2020, 01:42:28 PM
Has your source ever had to deal with 2750 tons of improperly stored ammonium nitrate that was set on fire near a fireworks factory?

You are buying the official storyline just like that? What if nothing else but bags filled with rocks were stored in that warehouse?

"Up until now we are talking inert elements and components that combined or by themselves couldn’t blow up a box of Kleenex.

The key to all this were the 500 gram TNT detonators placed at the bottom of each drill hole at the bottom of the explosives. We generally used 2 500 gram TNT detonators per hole.
 
That is where the ignition took place. Now listen carefully, it takes a TNT detonation to initiate or ignite a load of Anfo, Hanfo or Magnafrac. What I mean by that is that for Anfo to detonate, it needs the violence of a TNT initiation before it itself will actually detonate. I’ve watched Anfo catch fire and burn numerous times.
 
It won’t explode, it will just burn. And if it doesn’t have the diesel fuel mixture it won’t even do that. Ammonia Nitrate is a commercial fertilizer. The company employees were each given two twenty Kilo bags of Ammonia Nitrate every spring to fertilize their lawns. It will quite literally turn a brown lawn a vibrant green over night. That practice was discontinued in about 1993, at least at the mine I was employed at during that time span.
 
An automobile or truck perhaps running at speed, exploding and slamming into a mound of anfo etc. might be able to deliver the explosive force necessary to detonate the explosive product. Or the shock wave required. (or a missile or bomb)"
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 18, 2020, 01:48:46 PM
After having lived in Japan and Saxony for many years I learnt that no A-Bombs exploded anywhere in Japan 1945 and that  no uranium was mined in Saxony for Stalin's A-Bombs 1946/91. It was just Fake News all the time that idiots believe in. Of course they have never been in Japan or Saxony.

Let me fix that. After having lived in Japan and Saxony for many years, you began to have delusions and made a website about them.
No, I live in France overlooking Monte Carlo, Monaco, since >40 years and my web site is soon >25 years old. Before that I was in Japan, but I move around in the biz, so Saxony I really got to know 1999/2016. What do you do for a living? Writing stupid flat earth posts?

No, you have that position securely filled. :P
Hm, I am in good health and rich after a career that started in the 1960's and well known. What about you? Have you ever done some real work?

Yeah, I do real work.  I feel bad if you did have a good career, that it dive-bombed into becoming a conspiracy theorist. At least you have money so won't end up a raving lunatic on the streets like some I have known.
What kind of real work?

Yeah, I'm not going to put my real information on a site where people think NASA employees are ninjas that murder flat earthers and that I'm one of them.

If you think that's a good idea.. you're crazier than I thought. :D
No, I think you don't work.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 18, 2020, 02:21:44 PM
You are buying the official storyline just like that? What if nothing else but bags filled with rocks were stored in that warehouse?

What if your pockets were filled with frogs?

What if cheese was made of cement?

What does you making things up have to do with reality?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 18, 2020, 07:15:03 PM
Has your source ever had to deal with 2750 tons of improperly stored ammonium nitrate that was set on fire near a fireworks factory?

You are buying the official storyline just like that?
I haven't been given a good reason not to believe it yet.

What if nothing else but bags filled with rocks were stored in that warehouse?
What if I decided that I don't want to play the "what if" game with you?

"Up until now we are talking inert elements and components that combined or by themselves couldn’t blow up a box of Kleenex.
Ammonium nitrate is not inert.  It's a strong oxidizer, which is why it works well with fuel oil to make explosives.  Just imagine what else it could oxidize, given the chance.
Quote from: https://fscimage.fishersci.com/msds/01290.htm
Material Safety Data Sheet
Ammonium nitrate

Section 7 - Handling and Storage

Handling: Wash thoroughly after handling. Remove contaminated clothing and wash before reuse. Use with adequate ventilation. Minimize dust generation and accumulation. Avoid contact with eyes, skin, and clothing. Keep away from heat, sparks and flame. Keep from contact with clothing and other combustible materials. Do not pressurize, cut, weld, braze, solder, drill, grind, or expose empty containers to heat, sparks or open flames. Avoid breathing dust. Inform laundry personnel of contaminant's hazards. Avoid localized heating of ammonium nitrate, potentially leading to development of high temperature areas. Ensure that ammonium nitrate is not exposed to strong shock waves from explosives. Avoid low pH (acidic) conditions.

Storage: Do not store near combustible materials. Store in a tightly closed container. Store in a cool, dry, well-ventilated area away from incompatible substances. Keep away from acids. Keep away from reducing agents. Avoid storage on wood floors.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 20, 2020, 09:05:06 AM
Has your source ever had to deal with 2750 tons of improperly stored ammonium nitrate that was set on fire near a fireworks factory?

You are buying the official storyline just like that?
I haven't been given a good reason not to believe it yet.
I always recommend a visit to the Nagasaki nuclear peace museum for understanding the A-Bomb nonsense.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on August 23, 2020, 06:55:11 AM
Has your source ever had to deal with 2750 tons of improperly stored ammonium nitrate that was set on fire near a fireworks factory?

You are buying the official storyline just like that?
I haven't been given a good reason not to believe it yet.
I always recommend a visit to the Nagasaki nuclear peace museum for understanding the A-Bomb nonsense.

If you think for a second, you will realize how dumb your comment is.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on August 23, 2020, 08:14:58 AM
Has your source ever had to deal with 2750 tons of improperly stored ammonium nitrate that was set on fire near a fireworks factory?

You are buying the official storyline just like that?
I haven't been given a good reason not to believe it yet.
I always recommend a visit to the Nagasaki nuclear peace museum for understanding the A-Bomb nonsense.

If you think for a second, you will realize how dumb your comment is.

Nothing wrong with visiting the museum

And the dropping of an atomic bomb in Nagasaki is nonsense. Can you explain the sense of dropping a bomb on civilians? Oh wait. You're American. Dropping bombs on civilian populations is normal for you guys
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 23, 2020, 08:24:46 AM
Has your source ever had to deal with 2750 tons of improperly stored ammonium nitrate that was set on fire near a fireworks factory?

You are buying the official storyline just like that?
I haven't been given a good reason not to believe it yet.
I always recommend a visit to the Nagasaki nuclear peace museum for understanding the A-Bomb nonsense.

If you think for a second, you will realize how dumb your comment is.

Nothing wrong with visiting the museum

And the dropping of an atomic bomb in Nagasaki is nonsense. Can you explain the sense of dropping a bomb on civilians? Oh wait. You're American. Dropping bombs on civilian populations is normal for you guys

Every country that has ever dropped a bomb in wartime has dropped them on civilians. That includes Australia too.

But yes, dropping bombs on civilians is quite normal for Americans. But spread some of that shame on yourself as well, it feels good. :)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on August 23, 2020, 08:48:20 AM
Has your source ever had to deal with 2750 tons of improperly stored ammonium nitrate that was set on fire near a fireworks factory?

You are buying the official storyline just like that?
I haven't been given a good reason not to believe it yet.
I always recommend a visit to the Nagasaki nuclear peace museum for understanding the A-Bomb nonsense.

If you think for a second, you will realize how dumb your comment is.

Nothing wrong with visiting the museum

And the dropping of an atomic bomb in Nagasaki is nonsense. Can you explain the sense of dropping a bomb on civilians? Oh wait. You're American. Dropping bombs on civilian populations is normal for you guys

Every country that has ever dropped a bomb in wartime has dropped them on civilians. That includes Australia too.

But yes, dropping bombs on civilians is quite normal for Americans. But spread some of that shame on yourself as well, it feels good. :)

Oh Australia sucks in that regard too. But in recent years we do it at the behest of you yanks. We're like an unofficial state of America it seems with our current government attitude. Our PM is such a tryhard to be Trumps BFF it's sick. To think both of them claim to be Christians when cruelty and apathy for people is at the core of how they operate. F those guys
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 23, 2020, 08:57:16 AM
Has your source ever had to deal with 2750 tons of improperly stored ammonium nitrate that was set on fire near a fireworks factory?

You are buying the official storyline just like that?
I haven't been given a good reason not to believe it yet.
I always recommend a visit to the Nagasaki nuclear peace museum for understanding the A-Bomb nonsense.

If you think for a second, you will realize how dumb your comment is.

Nothing wrong with visiting the museum

And the dropping of an atomic bomb in Nagasaki is nonsense. Can you explain the sense of dropping a bomb on civilians? Oh wait. You're American. Dropping bombs on civilian populations is normal for you guys

Every country that has ever dropped a bomb in wartime has dropped them on civilians. That includes Australia too.

But yes, dropping bombs on civilians is quite normal for Americans. But spread some of that shame on yourself as well, it feels good. :)

Oh Australia sucks in that regard too. But in recent years we do it at the behest of you yanks. We're like an unofficial state of America it seems with our current government attitude. Our PM is such a tryhard to be Trumps BFF it's sick. To think both of them claim to be Christians when cruelty and apathy for people is at the core of how they operate. F those guys

Lets vote both of the F's out.

Then we can get back to yelling at each other on the internet.

...and arguing if nuclear weapons are real. ::)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 23, 2020, 09:01:21 AM
I did my military service 1965/70 in the Navy facing the USSR that was supposed to invade any moment over the Baltic. With a little notice my job was to put sea mines everywhere blowing up the awful enemy - all military soldiers - coming by boat and ships. But I was also informed about being blown to hell by a communist a-bomb and luckily my office was a-bomb proof in a cave 150 m inside a mountain with 20 m granite as roof. So Russia never attacked with nuclear weapons. I later found out that Russia never had any. It was all propaganda.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: frenat on August 23, 2020, 09:13:38 AM
Has your source ever had to deal with 2750 tons of improperly stored ammonium nitrate that was set on fire near a fireworks factory?

You are buying the official storyline just like that?
I haven't been given a good reason not to believe it yet.
I always recommend a visit to the Nagasaki nuclear peace museum for understanding the A-Bomb nonsense.

If you think for a second, you will realize how dumb your comment is.

Nothing wrong with visiting the museum

And the dropping of an atomic bomb in Nagasaki is nonsense. Can you explain the sense of dropping a bomb on civilians? Oh wait. You're American. Dropping bombs on civilian populations is normal for you guys
Nagasaki was home to torpedo weapons manufacture and was the secondary target chosen after the primary target of Kokura was obscured by haze and smoke.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on August 23, 2020, 09:23:56 AM
Has your source ever had to deal with 2750 tons of improperly stored ammonium nitrate that was set on fire near a fireworks factory?

You are buying the official storyline just like that?
I haven't been given a good reason not to believe it yet.
I always recommend a visit to the Nagasaki nuclear peace museum for understanding the A-Bomb nonsense.

If you think for a second, you will realize how dumb your comment is.

Nothing wrong with visiting the museum

And the dropping of an atomic bomb in Nagasaki is nonsense. Can you explain the sense of dropping a bomb on civilians? Oh wait. You're American. Dropping bombs on civilian populations is normal for you guys
Nagasaki was home to torpedo weapons manufacture and was the secondary target chosen after the primary target of Kokura was obscured by haze and smoke.

Most normal people would see tens of thousands of innocent civilians living and minding their own business in the blast radius and thought "Unacceptable!"

A real warrior could have done the job with surgical precision. A dickhead coward drops a bomb that kills everything and everyone indiscriminately

For all of Americas 'do gooder' talk, you guys are the only ones to have used an atomic weapon on civilian populations. Twice! Unforgivable
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 23, 2020, 11:16:39 AM
Has your source ever had to deal with 2750 tons of improperly stored ammonium nitrate that was set on fire near a fireworks factory?

You are buying the official storyline just like that?
I haven't been given a good reason not to believe it yet.
I always recommend a visit to the Nagasaki nuclear peace museum for understanding the A-Bomb nonsense.

If you think for a second, you will realize how dumb your comment is.

Nothing wrong with visiting the museum

And the dropping of an atomic bomb in Nagasaki is nonsense. Can you explain the sense of dropping a bomb on civilians? Oh wait. You're American. Dropping bombs on civilian populations is normal for you guys
Nagasaki was home to torpedo weapons manufacture and was the secondary target chosen after the primary target of Kokura was obscured by haze and smoke.
Whatever, August 1945 the war was lost and no Japanese torpedoes had been launched sink ships anywhere. And Nagasaki torpedo manufacturer ... ?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on August 23, 2020, 11:33:28 AM
Has your source ever had to deal with 2750 tons of improperly stored ammonium nitrate that was set on fire near a fireworks factory?

You are buying the official storyline just like that?
I haven't been given a good reason not to believe it yet.
I always recommend a visit to the Nagasaki nuclear peace museum for understanding the A-Bomb nonsense.

If you think for a second, you will realize how dumb your comment is.

Nothing wrong with visiting the museum

And the dropping of an atomic bomb in Nagasaki is nonsense. Can you explain the sense of dropping a bomb on civilians? Oh wait. You're American. Dropping bombs on civilian populations is normal for you guys
Nagasaki was home to torpedo weapons manufacture and was the secondary target chosen after the primary target of Kokura was obscured by haze and smoke.
Whatever, August 1945 the war was lost and no Japanese torpedoes had been launched sink ships anywhere. And Nagasaki torpedo manufacturer ... ?

Probably the most famous attack aside from Pearl Harbor:

On July 30, 1945, the USS Indianapolis is torpedoed by a Japanese submarine and sinks within minutes in shark-infested waters.

Atomic bombs drop just a week or so later:
August 6 and August 9, 1945
Location   
Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan

Get your facts in order. Oh, wait, I forgot, you don't deal in facts.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: frenat on August 23, 2020, 01:27:09 PM
Has your source ever had to deal with 2750 tons of improperly stored ammonium nitrate that was set on fire near a fireworks factory?

You are buying the official storyline just like that?
I haven't been given a good reason not to believe it yet.
I always recommend a visit to the Nagasaki nuclear peace museum for understanding the A-Bomb nonsense.

If you think for a second, you will realize how dumb your comment is.

Nothing wrong with visiting the museum

And the dropping of an atomic bomb in Nagasaki is nonsense. Can you explain the sense of dropping a bomb on civilians? Oh wait. You're American. Dropping bombs on civilian populations is normal for you guys
Nagasaki was home to torpedo weapons manufacture and was the secondary target chosen after the primary target of Kokura was obscured by haze and smoke.
Whatever, August 1945 the war was lost and no Japanese torpedoes had been launched sink ships anywhere. And Nagasaki torpedo manufacturer ... ?
I wasn't talking to you.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on August 23, 2020, 02:09:57 PM
Has your source ever had to deal with 2750 tons of improperly stored ammonium nitrate that was set on fire near a fireworks factory?

You are buying the official storyline just like that?
I haven't been given a good reason not to believe it yet.
I always recommend a visit to the Nagasaki nuclear peace museum for understanding the A-Bomb nonsense.

If you think for a second, you will realize how dumb your comment is.

Nothing wrong with visiting the museum

And the dropping of an atomic bomb in Nagasaki is nonsense. Can you explain the sense of dropping a bomb on civilians? Oh wait. You're American. Dropping bombs on civilian populations is normal for you guys
Nagasaki was home to torpedo weapons manufacture and was the secondary target chosen after the primary target of Kokura was obscured by haze and smoke.
Whatever, August 1945 the war was lost and no Japanese torpedoes had been launched sink ships anywhere. And Nagasaki torpedo manufacturer ... ?
I wasn't talking to you.

Heiwa doesn't deal in facts.

"The Type 91 (Torpedo) was researched and developed at Yokosuka Naval Arsenal in Kanagawa Prefecture. It was first produced at the Mitsubishi-Urakami Ordnance Works division of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries. Later, the Imperial Japanese Navy established two manufacturing sites: Suzuka Naval Arsenal in Mie Prefecture; and Kawatana Naval Arsenal, a branch of Sasebo Naval Arsenal, in Nagasaki Prefecture. The Mitsubishi-Urakami Ordnance Works plant at Kawatana specialized in torpedo production and was destroyed by the atomic bomb dropped on Nagasaki."[6]
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 23, 2020, 07:30:14 PM
Has your source ever had to deal with 2750 tons of improperly stored ammonium nitrate that was set on fire near a fireworks factory?

You are buying the official storyline just like that?
I haven't been given a good reason not to believe it yet.
I always recommend a visit to the Nagasaki nuclear peace museum for understanding the A-Bomb nonsense.

If you think for a second, you will realize how dumb your comment is.

Nothing wrong with visiting the museum

And the dropping of an atomic bomb in Nagasaki is nonsense. Can you explain the sense of dropping a bomb on civilians? Oh wait. You're American. Dropping bombs on civilian populations is normal for you guys
Nagasaki was home to torpedo weapons manufacture and was the secondary target chosen after the primary target of Kokura was obscured by haze and smoke.
Whatever, August 1945 the war was lost and no Japanese torpedoes had been launched sink ships anywhere. And Nagasaki torpedo manufacturer ... ?
I wasn't talking to you.

Heiwa doesn't deal in facts.

"The Type 91 (Torpedo) was researched and developed at Yokosuka Naval Arsenal in Kanagawa Prefecture. It was first produced at the Mitsubishi-Urakami Ordnance Works division of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries. Later, the Imperial Japanese Navy established two manufacturing sites: Suzuka Naval Arsenal in Mie Prefecture; and Kawatana Naval Arsenal, a branch of Sasebo Naval Arsenal, in Nagasaki Prefecture. The Mitsubishi-Urakami Ordnance Works plant at Kawatana specialized in torpedo production and was destroyed by the atomic bomb dropped on Nagasaki."[6]
Sorry, I just suggest that the western part of Nagasaki was destroyed by napalm carpet bombings of mainly civilian targets and that no nuclear weapons were used anywhere. You find the details at my website.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on August 23, 2020, 07:39:50 PM
Has your source ever had to deal with 2750 tons of improperly stored ammonium nitrate that was set on fire near a fireworks factory?

You are buying the official storyline just like that?
I haven't been given a good reason not to believe it yet.
I always recommend a visit to the Nagasaki nuclear peace museum for understanding the A-Bomb nonsense.

If you think for a second, you will realize how dumb your comment is.

Nothing wrong with visiting the museum

And the dropping of an atomic bomb in Nagasaki is nonsense. Can you explain the sense of dropping a bomb on civilians? Oh wait. You're American. Dropping bombs on civilian populations is normal for you guys
Nagasaki was home to torpedo weapons manufacture and was the secondary target chosen after the primary target of Kokura was obscured by haze and smoke.
Whatever, August 1945 the war was lost and no Japanese torpedoes had been launched sink ships anywhere. And Nagasaki torpedo manufacturer ... ?
I wasn't talking to you.

Heiwa doesn't deal in facts.

"The Type 91 (Torpedo) was researched and developed at Yokosuka Naval Arsenal in Kanagawa Prefecture. It was first produced at the Mitsubishi-Urakami Ordnance Works division of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries. Later, the Imperial Japanese Navy established two manufacturing sites: Suzuka Naval Arsenal in Mie Prefecture; and Kawatana Naval Arsenal, a branch of Sasebo Naval Arsenal, in Nagasaki Prefecture. The Mitsubishi-Urakami Ordnance Works plant at Kawatana specialized in torpedo production and was destroyed by the atomic bomb dropped on Nagasaki."[6]
Sorry, I just suggest that the western part of Nagasaki was destroyed by napalm carpet bombings of mainly civilian targets and that no nuclear weapons were used anywhere. You find the details at my website.

Like I said, you don't deal in facts whether it be here or on your website.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 23, 2020, 08:24:39 PM
And the dropping of an atomic bomb in Nagasaki is nonsense. Can you explain the sense of dropping a bomb on civilians?
Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki had military bases and were therefore legitimate targets.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/mp06.asp

Oh wait. You're American. Dropping bombs on civilian populations is normal for you guys
Right, because the Germans, Japanese and everyone else in pretty much every war ever were so careful to avoid civilian casualties. ::)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 23, 2020, 08:34:14 PM
A real warrior could have done the job with surgical precision. A dickhead coward drops a bomb that kills everything and everyone indiscriminately
The notion of "surgical precision" in the context of warfare is a modern concept only made possible by the invention of laser and GPS guided munitions.  In the 1940s, getting a bomb within a mile of your target from 20,000 feet high was considered pretty good, hence the need for carpet bombing.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 23, 2020, 08:44:08 PM
The moral of the story is: don't piss off another country unless you can back it up.

Kick a king you better kill him. 
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on August 23, 2020, 09:08:19 PM
And the dropping of an atomic bomb in Nagasaki is nonsense. Can you explain the sense of dropping a bomb on civilians?
Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki had military bases and were therefore legitimate targets.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/mp06.asp

Oh wait. You're American. Dropping bombs on civilian populations is normal for you guys
Right, because the Germans, Japanese and everyone else in pretty much every war ever were so careful to avoid civilian casualties. ::)

A Yank that's proud of their civilian incineration history. Yeah. Dropping a WMD on civilians because they live near some military target makes it fair game

Stupid civies fault for living there I guess. ::) I guess if you're enemy doesn't give a damn about civilian casualties, you shouldn't either. Just makes winning the war harder to accomplish
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 23, 2020, 09:27:02 PM
If an entire country is engaged in the war effort
the entire country is a legitimate target. 


Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 24, 2020, 01:02:20 AM
USA has only used WMD’s twice in war, i.e. 6 and 9 August 1945 in Japan. Two top secret types of atomic bombs were used. One had two bits of 30 kg uranium metal as fuel, the other had two bits of 10 kg plutonium as fuel.  In both cases the two bits were suddenly compressed together to double density and exploded in a FLASH equivalent to 20 000 000 kg of TNT exploding killing 100 000 civilians.
Most witnesses of the two FLASHES were vaporized but US media could report them on the first page as news same day. Most Americans loved it and believed it. Then and today.
Actually it was just propaganda back in 1945. Evidently metals do not explode when compressed. No metal can be compressed. Same today. But people believe and love it. And in November they can chose a new leader – Joe or Donald – to use the WMD.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 24, 2020, 01:07:32 AM
USA has only used WMD’s twice in war, i.e. 6 and 9 August 1945 in Japan.

You said they were fake.
Make up your mind you dumb bitch.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 24, 2020, 06:52:20 AM
And the dropping of an atomic bomb in Nagasaki is nonsense. Can you explain the sense of dropping a bomb on civilians?
Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki had military bases and were therefore legitimate targets.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/mp06.asp

Oh wait. You're American. Dropping bombs on civilian populations is normal for you guys
Right, because the Germans, Japanese and everyone else in pretty much every war ever were so careful to avoid civilian casualties. ::)

A Yank that's proud of their civilian incineration history. Yeah. Dropping a WMD on civilians because they live near some military target makes it fair game

Stupid civies fault for living there I guess. ::) I guess if you're enemy doesn't give a damn about civilian casualties, you shouldn't either. Just makes winning the war harder to accomplish
When in history has any enemy ever given a damn about civilian casualties?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on August 24, 2020, 06:58:16 AM
And the dropping of an atomic bomb in Nagasaki is nonsense. Can you explain the sense of dropping a bomb on civilians?
Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki had military bases and were therefore legitimate targets.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/mp06.asp

Oh wait. You're American. Dropping bombs on civilian populations is normal for you guys
Right, because the Germans, Japanese and everyone else in pretty much every war ever were so careful to avoid civilian casualties. ::)

A Yank that's proud of their civilian incineration history. Yeah. Dropping a WMD on civilians because they live near some military target makes it fair game

Stupid civies fault for living there I guess. ::) I guess if you're enemy doesn't give a damn about civilian casualties, you shouldn't either. Just makes winning the war harder to accomplish
When in history has any enemy ever given a damn about civilian casualties?

One mans hero is another mans villain

Did it occur to you that your 'enemy' doesn't see themselves as the 'bad guys' and sees you guys as the enemy?

There are still rules in warfare. Just because your 'enemy' is a POS that doesn't give a shit, doesn't mean you can say 'to hell with it' and drop bombs on children and hospitals because it makes it easier for you

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 24, 2020, 07:25:24 AM
One mans hero is another mans villain

Did it occur to you that your 'enemy' doesn't see themselves as the 'bad guys' and sees you guys as the enemy?
Yes, Japan did a very good job of painting the Americans as the bad guys.  So much so that they were willing to fight to the last man in what they knew were hopeless battles.  Even civilians on Saipan and Okinawa preferred suicide to surrender.  Just imagine the carnage if the US had to invade the Japanese mainland.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on August 24, 2020, 07:29:52 AM
One mans hero is another mans villain

Did it occur to you that your 'enemy' doesn't see themselves as the 'bad guys' and sees you guys as the enemy?
Yes, Japan did a very good job of painting the Americans as the bad guys.  So much so that they were willing to fight to the last man in what they knew were hopeless battles.  Even civilians on Saipan and Okinawa preferred suicide to surrender.  Just imagine the carnage if the US had to invade the Japanese mainland.

Yeah, dropping the atomic bomb twice was surely an act of mercy ::)

The propaganda you have been subject to has filled your head with nonsense. You're probably pretty proud of your record

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 24, 2020, 07:36:01 AM
Yeah, dropping the atomic bomb twice was surely an act of mercy ::)
Compare with how many people would have died in an invasion of the Japanese mainland?  Yes, it was.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on August 24, 2020, 07:40:14 AM
Yeah, dropping the atomic bomb twice was surely an act of mercy ::)
Compare with how many people would have died in an invasion of the Japanese mainland?  Yes, it was.
Wow. Just wow.... Well your a yank so not surprising you think dropping nuclear bombs on kids is a good thing  :'(
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 24, 2020, 07:57:24 AM
USA has only used WMD’s twice in war, i.e. 6 and 9 August 1945 in Japan.

You said they were fake.
Make up your mind you dumb bitch.
Yes, both were fake. Except the surviving witnesses. And the annual memorial parties.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 24, 2020, 08:04:43 AM
One mans hero is another mans villain

Did it occur to you that your 'enemy' doesn't see themselves as the 'bad guys' and sees you guys as the enemy?
Yes, Japan did a very good job of painting the Americans as the bad guys.  So much so that they were willing to fight to the last man in what they knew were hopeless battles.  Even civilians on Saipan and Okinawa preferred suicide to surrender.  Just imagine the carnage if the US had to invade the Japanese mainland.
You forgot Iwo Jima December 9, 1944. Three months surrounded by US navy that bombed the island back to stone age and then invaded it to lose plenty marines. Why didn't the Japanese surrender after the first shot?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 24, 2020, 08:37:23 AM
Yeah, dropping the atomic bomb twice was surely an act of mercy ::)
Compare with how many people would have died in an invasion of the Japanese mainland?  Yes, it was.
Wow. Just wow.... Well your a yank so not surprising you think dropping nuclear bombs on kids is a good thing  :'(
I never said that it was a good thing.  However, I would say that, in that particular case, it was the less horrific of the two options.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on August 24, 2020, 08:54:46 AM
Yeah, dropping the atomic bomb twice was surely an act of mercy ::)
Compare with how many people would have died in an invasion of the Japanese mainland?  Yes, it was.
Wow. Just wow.... Well your a yank so not surprising you think dropping nuclear bombs on kids is a good thing  :'(
I never said that it was a good thing.  However, I would say that, in that particular case, it was the less horrific of the two options.

It is debatable. Japan may well have surrendered without the bombs if America guaranteed the Japanese emperor Hirohito could remain on the throne. Also the Soviet invasion at the time was also likely to have precipitated Japans surrender

The fact is America was more concerned about showing off and demonstrating its military power (and that it has no problem using it) then looking at options that may have prevented using them. You built the bombs and really wanted to use them. So you had tunnel vision and only looked for opportunities to use them rather than find ways that would make them redundant

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 24, 2020, 09:12:09 AM
Air bombings do not work! Dropping bombs from the sky do not work.
United Kingdom and Nazi Germany was at war 1939/45 and UK air bombed Germany every day! US joined 1942. Result 0! To win you must be on the ground.
USA was at war with North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc, since 1950 and bombed them back to the stone age and lost every time.
Wars have to be won on the ground (solid or wet). My preferred ground 1965/70 was the sea. Just sink the enemy from below.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 24, 2020, 09:46:22 AM
You forgot Iwo Jima December 9, 1944. Three months surrounded by US navy that bombed the island back to stone age and then invaded it to lose plenty marines. Why didn't the Japanese surrender after the first shot?
Obviously you learned nothing about the Japanese people during your time in Japan.  Surrender meant unbearable shame, so they would rather die than surrender.

It is debatable. Japan may well have surrendered without the bombs if America guaranteed the Japanese emperor Hirohito could remain on the throne.
What makes you think that the Japanese considered surrender as a a viable option before the atomic bombings?  Even after the bombs dropped, the Japanese military wanted to defy the emperor and keep fighting.

Also the Soviet invasion at the time was also likely to have precipitated Japans surrender
Like you said: debatable. 

The fact is America was more concerned about showing off and demonstrating its military power (and that it has no problem using it) then looking at options that may have prevented using them. You built the bombs and really wanted to use them. So you had tunnel vision and only looked for opportunities to use them rather than find ways that would make them redundant
Not really.  They were looking for options that would lead to the quickest Japanese surrender and involved the least amount of dead.  An invasion of the mainland could have cost millions of lives.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on August 24, 2020, 10:09:11 AM
You forgot Iwo Jima December 9, 1944. Three months surrounded by US navy that bombed the island back to stone age and then invaded it to lose plenty marines. Why didn't the Japanese surrender after the first shot?
Obviously you learned nothing about the Japanese people during your time in Japan.  Surrender meant unbearable shame, so they would rather die than surrender.

It is debatable. Japan may well have surrendered without the bombs if America guaranteed the Japanese emperor Hirohito could remain on the throne.
What makes you think that the Japanese considered surrender as a a viable option before the atomic bombings?  Even after the bombs dropped, the Japanese military wanted to defy the emperor and keep fighting.

Also the Soviet invasion at the time was also likely to have precipitated Japans surrender
Like you said: debatable. 

The fact is America was more concerned about showing off and demonstrating its military power (and that it has no problem using it) then looking at options that may have prevented using them. You built the bombs and really wanted to use them. So you had tunnel vision and only looked for opportunities to use them rather than find ways that would make them redundant
Not really.  They were looking for options that would lead to the quickest Japanese surrender and involved the least amount of dead.  An invasion of the mainland could have cost millions of lives.

Well there is no way I'm going to break through all that retarded American conditioning you grew up with. You will always believe that dropping atomic bombs on kids and babies is justifiable. It's the Ameritard way
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 24, 2020, 10:10:22 AM
You forgot Iwo Jima December 9, 1944. Three months surrounded by US navy that bombed the island back to stone age and then invaded it to lose plenty marines. Why didn't the Japanese surrender after the first shot?
Obviously you learned nothing about the Japanese people during your time in Japan.  Surrender meant unbearable shame, so they would rather die than surrender.

It is debatable. Japan may well have surrendered without the bombs if America guaranteed the Japanese emperor Hirohito could remain on the throne.
What makes you think that the Japanese considered surrender as a a viable option before the atomic bombings?  Even after the bombs dropped, the Japanese military wanted to defy the emperor and keep fighting.

Also the Soviet invasion at the time was also likely to have precipitated Japans surrender
Like you said: debatable. 

The fact is America was more concerned about showing off and demonstrating its military power (and that it has no problem using it) then looking at options that may have prevented using them. You built the bombs and really wanted to use them. So you had tunnel vision and only looked for opportunities to use them rather than find ways that would make them redundant
Not really.  They were looking for options that would lead to the quickest Japanese surrender and involved the least amount of dead.  An invasion of the mainland could have cost millions of lives.
I learned a lot in Japan 1972/6.
Have you ever been in Japan?
Shame?
You sound like a brain damaged American.
Easier just to excuse yourself for it.
Sweden had excellent contacts with Japan and USA all the time before and after all the wars. Ball bearings, etc. So USA and Japan used Sweden as contact to stop the war 1945 and Sweden assisted. I am proud of it.
But then it had to be covered up and forgotten.
I wonder why.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on August 24, 2020, 10:41:36 AM
No metal can be compressed.

Again, you just don't deal in facts, do you?

The Compressibility of Thirty Metals as a Function of Pressure and Temperature
P. W. Bridgman
https://www.jstor.org/stable/20025987?seq=14#metadata_info_tab_contents

Who told you metals can't be compressed. Wrong again. Stick to the facts, not your "impressions" or lack of knowledge.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 24, 2020, 11:08:09 AM
Well there is no way I'm going to break through all that retarded American conditioning you grew up with. You will always believe that dropping atomic bombs on kids and babies is justifiable. It's the Ameritard way
Grow up, will you?  War is ugly and horrible things happen to innocent people.  That's the way it's been in pretty much every war ever and I don't see how it's going to change any time soon.  Why don't you explain how invading the Japanese mainland would have been less horrific than 2 atomic bombs dropped on military targets.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 24, 2020, 11:51:02 AM
No metal can be compressed.

Again, you just don't deal in facts, do you?

The Compressibility of Thirty Metals as a Function of Pressure and Temperature
P. W. Bridgman
https://www.jstor.org/stable/20025987?seq=14#metadata_info_tab_contents

Who told you metals can't be compressed. Wrong again. Stick to the facts, not your "impressions" or lack of knowledge.

No, a metal cannot be compressed to double density by putting pressure on it. And no metal will explode by compression ... unless you believe the Manhattan project 'experts'.
You sound like a disinfo clown.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on August 24, 2020, 12:07:40 PM
No metal can be compressed.

Again, you just don't deal in facts, do you?

The Compressibility of Thirty Metals as a Function of Pressure and Temperature
P. W. Bridgman
https://www.jstor.org/stable/20025987?seq=14#metadata_info_tab_contents

Who told you metals can't be compressed. Wrong again. Stick to the facts, not your "impressions" or lack of knowledge.

No, a metal cannot be compressed to double density by putting pressure on it. And no metal will explode by compression ... unless you believe the Manhattan project 'experts'.
You sound like a disinfo clown.

Again, you're not dealing in facts as per usual. It's pretty simple, really:

(https://i.imgur.com/NtKeSTI.png)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on August 24, 2020, 02:03:19 PM
You forgot Iwo Jima December 9, 1944. Three months surrounded by US navy that bombed the island back to stone age and then invaded it to lose plenty marines. Why didn't the Japanese surrender after the first shot?
Obviously you learned nothing about the Japanese people during your time in Japan.  Surrender meant unbearable shame, so they would rather die than surrender.

It is debatable. Japan may well have surrendered without the bombs if America guaranteed the Japanese emperor Hirohito could remain on the throne.
What makes you think that the Japanese considered surrender as a a viable option before the atomic bombings?  Even after the bombs dropped, the Japanese military wanted to defy the emperor and keep fighting.

Also the Soviet invasion at the time was also likely to have precipitated Japans surrender
Like you said: debatable. 

The fact is America was more concerned about showing off and demonstrating its military power (and that it has no problem using it) then looking at options that may have prevented using them. You built the bombs and really wanted to use them. So you had tunnel vision and only looked for opportunities to use them rather than find ways that would make them redundant
Not really.  They were looking for options that would lead to the quickest Japanese surrender and involved the least amount of dead.  An invasion of the mainland could have cost millions of lives.
I learned a lot in Japan 1972/6.
Have you ever been in Japan?
Shame?
You sound like a brain damaged American.
Easier just to excuse yourself for it.
Sweden had excellent contacts with Japan and USA all the time before and after all the wars. Ball bearings, etc. So USA and Japan used Sweden as contact to stop the war 1945 and Sweden assisted. I am proud of it.
But then it had to be covered up and forgotten.
I wonder why.

I doubt that Sweden had any involvement in the surrender of Japan
Can't find any involvement of Sweden in the negotiations of Japan surrendering.

Quote
The formal diplomatic relations of Japan and Sweden was established by the signing of Swedish-Japanese Treaty in 1868,[2] which was also the first treaty Meiji Government made with a foreign state.[3]:2 During the first decade of the 20th century, the two countries started opening legations in Tokyo and Stockholm, then promoted to embassies in 1957.[1]
WikipediA
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 24, 2020, 02:37:22 PM
No, a metal cannot be compressed to double density by putting pressure on it.
If the metal starts out as a hollow sphere, then why couldn't you compress it with enough pressure?

And no metal will explode by compression ... unless you believe the Manhattan project 'experts'.
Uranium and Plutonium don't explode by compression.  They explode by uncontrolled fission chain reaction.

You sound like a disinfo clown.
You sound like a wacko conspiracy theorist.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on August 24, 2020, 02:40:27 PM
I learned a lot in Japan 1972/6.
Have you ever been in Japan?
Shame?
You sound like a brain damaged American.
Easier just to excuse yourself for it.
Sweden had excellent contacts with Japan and USA all the time before and after all the wars. Ball bearings, etc. So USA and Japan used Sweden as contact to stop the war 1945 and Sweden assisted. I am proud of it.
But then it had to be covered up and forgotten.
I wonder why.

I thought you disliked the Swedish Government for supporting A-Bombs and M/S Estonia.

Another conspiracy?   Incredible.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: 17 November on August 24, 2020, 06:01:49 PM
Looking into the historical side of the end of World War 2, I came across Japanese historian Tsuyoshi Hasegawa and his book ‘Racing the Enemy’.

Among other points, he states that the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki had nothing to do with forcing Japan to surrender.

The event that forced Japan to surrender was the Soviet invasion of Japan which crushed the Japanese military in Asia like a house of cards. Faced with the reality that Soviet troops would enter cities like Tokyo in a matter of days and they would be facing a communist government, the fascist leaders of Japan made the emergency decision to surrender to the Americans, and the atom bomb was a convenient cover story for both the Japanese and the Americans.

Hasegawa also mentions Princeton researcher Michael Gordin who remarkably found that “nuclear” bombs have no qualitative difference with conventional bombs. He asserts that the only difference is quantitative.

Interview with Professor Tsuyoshi Hasegawa:

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: 17 November on August 24, 2020, 06:02:55 PM
‘Racing the Enemy’
By Tsuyoshi Hasegawa
(excerpt)

https://books.google.com/books/about/Racing_the_Enemy.html?id=iPju1MrqgU4C&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: 17 November on August 24, 2020, 06:08:19 PM
Apparently motivated by the research of Tsuyoshi Hasegawa and Michael Gordin, Ward Wilson wrote a book entitled ‘The Five Myths of Nuclear Weapons’.

This is an article by Ward Wilson that summarises Hasegawa’s debunking of the American view of the end of World War 2:

‘The Bomb Didn’t Beat Japan...Stalin Did’

https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: 17 November on August 24, 2020, 06:10:06 PM
‘Five Myths About Nuclear Weapons’
By Ward Wilson

https://books.google.com/books/about/Five_Myths_About_Nuclear_Weapons.html?id=70ZRhKAHM4oC&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: 17 November on August 24, 2020, 06:13:50 PM
This 20 minute interview with Michael Gordin about his short but highly informative book ‘Five Days in August’ contains a wealth of pertinent neglected knowledge about the atom bombs:

https://vimeo.com/109149783

I have to say this particular book by Michael Gordin written when he was younger is an eye opener that goes against the grain and holds its own because it stands on the evidence, but his later stuff is much less impressive with a perspective conformist to standard American views.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 24, 2020, 06:15:35 PM

When in history has any enemy ever given a damn about civilian casualties?

Nazi Germany put a lot of focus on civilian casualties. 
(probably not what you meant   :D)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: 17 November on August 24, 2020, 06:19:34 PM
‘Five Days in August’
By Michael D. Gordin

https://books.google.com/books/about/Five_Days_in_August.html?id=LoQgCgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: 17 November on August 24, 2020, 06:30:57 PM
‘The Atom Spy Hoax’
By William A. Reuben
(1954)

The author William Reuben  was a personal friend of the Rosenbergs and organised their international support network. He also wrote perhaps the best defence of Alger Hiss and expose of Nixon.

Reuben was an enemy of McCarthyism and vigorously defended its victims.

This iconoclastic book in particular debunks the spirit of atomic energy and alleged Soviet evil connected with McCarthyism.

I would go so far as to say that the theory of relativity and the theory of a nuclear atom being debated in the 1930’s were never resolved scientifically. It was the spirit of anti-communist totalitarianism in the late 1940’s and McCarthyism that arbitrarily took it for granted that these theories were incontestable facts with dangerous consequences vis a vis nuclear weapons in the wrong hands.

A 1980’s interview with the author:


Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: 17 November on August 24, 2020, 06:36:38 PM
‘The Smyth Report’, the official US government history of the Manhattan Project issued in 1945 does not report about any kind of secrets that could be stolen.

https://www.orau.org/ptp/pdf/smythreport.pdf
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 24, 2020, 08:51:19 PM
People wrote things and you read those things.

That about right?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 24, 2020, 09:01:00 PM
I learned a lot in Japan 1972/6.
Have you ever been in Japan?
Shame?
You sound like a brain damaged American.
Easier just to excuse yourself for it.
Sweden had excellent contacts with Japan and USA all the time before and after all the wars. Ball bearings, etc. So USA and Japan used Sweden as contact to stop the war 1945 and Sweden assisted. I am proud of it.
But then it had to be covered up and forgotten.
I wonder why.

I thought you disliked the Swedish Government for supporting A-Bombs and M/S Estonia.

Another conspiracy?   Incredible.
Are you thinking? Incredible.
The Swedish government 1945 asked Nobel Prize winner Manne Siegbahn to become head of Swedish military research agency, FOA, and to build an A-Bomb. Siegbahn agreed subject all info became public. But no, all had to be secret so Siegbahn didn't get the job. Others did. In stead he got US$1M by the Rockefeller foundation to improve his own laboratory with a cyclotron. I wasn't even born then. It wasn't until 1964 when Siegbahn hinted to me that a-bomb physics wasn't worth a career. So I do shipbuilding instead.
1994 M/S Estonia sank and it was suggested that the bow visor had been lost in severe weather due to wave impacts, bla, bla, bla. I immediately investigated the suggestion and found that wave impacts are very noisy and associated with severe vibrations so you slow down, which I told interested parties. The rest is history that you can read about at my website.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on August 24, 2020, 10:13:00 PM
I learned a lot in Japan 1972/6.
Have you ever been in Japan?
Shame?
You sound like a brain damaged American.
Easier just to excuse yourself for it.
Sweden had excellent contacts with Japan and USA all the time before and after all the wars. Ball bearings, etc. So USA and Japan used Sweden as contact to stop the war 1945 and Sweden assisted. I am proud of it.
But then it had to be covered up and forgotten.
I wonder why.

I thought you disliked the Swedish Government for supporting A-Bombs and M/S Estonia.

Another conspiracy?   Incredible.
Are you thinking? Incredible.
The Swedish government 1945 asked Nobel Prize winner Manne Siegbahn to become head of Swedish military research agency, FOA, and to build an A-Bomb. Siegbahn agreed subject all info became public. But no, all had to be secret so Siegbahn didn't get the job. Others did. In stead he got US$1M by the Rockefeller foundation to improve his own laboratory with a cyclotron. I wasn't even born then. It wasn't until 1964 when Siegbahn hinted to me that a-bomb physics wasn't worth a career. So I do shipbuilding instead.
1994 M/S Estonia sank and it was suggested that the bow visor had been lost in severe weather due to wave impacts, bla, bla, bla. I immediately investigated the suggestion and found that wave impacts are very noisy and associated with severe vibrations so you slow down, which I told interested parties. The rest is history that you can read about at my website.

So a guy mentored you and said that the a-bomb industry wasn't the best industry to go into. Wow, what a revelation. That has nothing to do with the existence of said weaponry. Just not a good career choice. And you said he said is was super secret in 1945. Ahhh, yeah, it was super secret in 1945. For good reasons. Everyone was trying to hide the technology from everyone else. That's not rocket science there.

And yeah, you still can't even name the ship you tested your theory on even though you owned it. Curious.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 24, 2020, 10:51:42 PM

And yeah, you still can't even name the ship you tested your theory on even though you owned it. Curious.


the Titanic.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 24, 2020, 11:39:09 PM
I learned a lot in Japan 1972/6.
Have you ever been in Japan?
Shame?
You sound like a brain damaged American.
Easier just to excuse yourself for it.
Sweden had excellent contacts with Japan and USA all the time before and after all the wars. Ball bearings, etc. So USA and Japan used Sweden as contact to stop the war 1945 and Sweden assisted. I am proud of it.
But then it had to be covered up and forgotten.
I wonder why.

I thought you disliked the Swedish Government for supporting A-Bombs and M/S Estonia.

Another conspiracy?   Incredible.
Are you thinking? Incredible.
The Swedish government 1945 asked Nobel Prize winner Manne Siegbahn to become head of Swedish military research agency, FOA, and to build an A-Bomb. Siegbahn agreed subject all info became public. But no, all had to be secret so Siegbahn didn't get the job. Others did. In stead he got US$1M by the Rockefeller foundation to improve his own laboratory with a cyclotron. I wasn't even born then. It wasn't until 1964 when Siegbahn hinted to me that a-bomb physics wasn't worth a career. So I do shipbuilding instead.
1994 M/S Estonia sank and it was suggested that the bow visor had been lost in severe weather due to wave impacts, bla, bla, bla. I immediately investigated the suggestion and found that wave impacts are very noisy and associated with severe vibrations so you slow down, which I told interested parties. The rest is history that you can read about at my website.

So a guy mentored you and said that the a-bomb industry wasn't the best industry to go into. Wow, what a revelation. That has nothing to do with the existence of said weaponry. Just not a good career choice. And you said he said is was super secret in 1945. Ahhh, yeah, it was super secret in 1945. For good reasons. Everyone was trying to hide the technology from everyone else. That's not rocket science there.

And yeah, you still can't even name the ship you tested your theory on even though you owned it. Curious.
The guy was Manne Siegbahn, Nobel Prize winner physics 1923. I explain it at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm . Very popular! Manne just gave me advice.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 25, 2020, 06:11:04 AM
The guy was Manne Siegbahn, Nobel Prize winner physics 1923. I explain it at... Very popular! Manne just gave me advice.
But he never uttered the words "atomic bombs don't work", did he?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 25, 2020, 06:50:16 AM
The guy was Manne Siegbahn, Nobel Prize winner physics 1923. I explain it at... Very popular! Manne just gave me advice.
But he never uttered the words "atomic bombs don't work", did he?
Correct. 1964 we discussed my future at a party and Siegbahn didn't recommend theoretical physics and playing with his cyclotron paid for by Rockefeller, etc. No money to be made there. It was only later I learnt about him turning down the 1945 offer of the government to secretly build a Swedish A-Bomb already then. You see, everything was secret back then. Only later I understood that A-Bombs are just propaganda since 1945 that I explain at my website. So any information that Sweden could easily built A-Bombs in late 1940's and whole 1950's was/is just disinformation. It has been discussed in the Parliament, etc, etc.
It was my mother proposing me becoming an expert (professor!) of theoretical physics 1964. We lived across the street from the Royal Institute of Technology where the nonsense was taught to a very small number of qualified students. I went to an 'open house' there and wondered what they were doing and I was told that it was mostly top secret things for the military - rockets, weapons, bla, bla, and that you had to be very intelligent to join. A relative was already professor there and could tell horror stories of the infighting about jobs at the Institute. So I went into shipbuilding. Much more fun.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 25, 2020, 07:00:28 AM
The guy was Manne Siegbahn, Nobel Prize winner physics 1923. I explain it at... Very popular! Manne just gave me advice.
But he never uttered the words "atomic bombs don't work", did he?
Correct.
Glad to hear that.  Now stop bringing him up as evidence that atomic bombs don't work.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 25, 2020, 09:03:23 AM
The guy was Manne Siegbahn, Nobel Prize winner physics 1923. I explain it at... Very popular! Manne just gave me advice.
But he never uttered the words "atomic bombs don't work", did he?
Correct.
Glad to hear that.  Now stop bringing him up as evidence that atomic bombs don't work.
?? The Swedish government asked Manne Siegbahn 1945 to build an A-Bomb. And Siegbahn agreed subject all info was made public. But no, it had to be secret.
Of course Siegbahn had no knowledge of or background in A-Bomb building. He was just a clever physics expert of structure of materials at atomic levels. He was a good friend of Niels Bohr, another physicist that could never explain fission, i.e. how atoms may suddenly split into other atoms. But various governments thought these simple physicists could build nuclear weapons of mass destruction and that it must be SECRET.
It was all a question of an atom fission chain reaction at explosive speed = the SECRET of nuclear WMDs. I assume Manne and Niels agreed it wasn't possible ... so it had to be kept SECRET. And Siegbahn recommended that I did something more interesting. Which I did. And then I met Japanese that told me about the false A-Bombs of Hiroshisma and Nagasaki 1945 that I noted and forgot. And then 1999 I met E whose father had assisted Stalin to build a fake A-Bomb 1947/58. It convinced me that atomic bombs don't work.
Why do you get so upset about it? That I met Ms E in a bar? It was the meeting place at this hotel at Mombasa, Kenya, I stayed at 1999.  Ever been to Kenya?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 25, 2020, 11:35:36 AM
The moral of the story is: don't piss off another country unless you can back it up.

Kick a king you better kill him.

What if the King is into getting kicked?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 27, 2020, 10:02:19 AM
you had to be very intelligent to join. So I went into ship toilet cleaning. Much more fun.
Yes, it was 56 years ago and question was how to make a living. I was lucky having the opportunity to chose. I chose shipbuilding but Sweden closed all shipyards so I had to leave. Now I am a millionaire at Monte Carlo, Monaco.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on August 27, 2020, 03:13:27 PM
you had to be very intelligent to join. So I went into ship toilet cleaning. Much more fun.
Yes, it was 56 years ago and question was how to make a living. I was lucky having the opportunity to chose. I chose shipbuilding but Sweden closed all shipyards so I had to leave. Now I am a millionaire at Monte Carlo, Monaco.

When did you move from France?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 27, 2020, 08:53:49 PM
you had to be very intelligent to join. So I went into ship toilet cleaning. Much more fun.
Yes, it was 56 years ago and question was how to make a living. I was lucky having the opportunity to chose. I chose shipbuilding but Sweden closed all shipyards so I had to leave. Now I am a millionaire at Monte Carlo, Monaco.

When did you move from France?

Don't worry! Is Monte Carlo, Monaco nuked, I am too.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on August 27, 2020, 09:51:57 PM
you had to be very intelligent to join. So I went into ship toilet cleaning. Much more fun.
Yes, it was 56 years ago and question was how to make a living. I was lucky having the opportunity to chose. I chose shipbuilding but Sweden closed all shipyards so I had to leave. Now I am a millionaire at Monte Carlo, Monaco.

When did you move from France?

Don't worry! Is Monte Carlo, Monaco nuked, I am too.

But when did you move? Do you move often? Just visiting right now?

I ask because when this covid crap is over I can meet you at your office over a cup of nespresso. But if your not doing nespresso anymore I suppose some wine over cavier is an acceptable consolation offering
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 28, 2020, 06:45:24 AM
you had to be very intelligent to join. So I went into ship toilet cleaning. Much more fun.
Yes, it was 56 years ago and question was how to make a living. I was lucky having the opportunity to chose. I chose shipbuilding but Sweden closed all shipyards so I had to leave. Now I am a millionaire at Monte Carlo, Monaco.

When did you move from France?

Don't worry! Is Monte Carlo, Monaco nuked, I am too.

But when did you move? Do you move often? Just visiting right now?

I ask because when this covid crap is over I can meet you at your office over a cup of nespresso. But if your not doing nespresso anymore I suppose some wine over cavier is an acceptable consolation offering
I haven't moved. The Beausoleil address is OK. But I also have a residence in Monaco (it is only 200 m walk there).
The nespresso capsules I don't like any more.
I hope this covid crap is soon over. A mysterious virus that is stopped by a face mask and washing hands?? It is fantasy like nuclear bombs.
But visitors from Prison Island (Australia) visiting Europe have a problem. You must request to leave or get a travel exemption and I doubt visiting me helps.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 31, 2020, 07:42:04 AM
A mysterious virus that is stopped by a face mask and washing hands??

It's only mysterious to someone who wanders around confused by the whole world and doesn't understand how washing your hands prevents the spread of disease.

How do you even function in day to day life with that level or ignorance about simple things like how soap works?  :-\
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 31, 2020, 07:55:54 AM
A mysterious virus that is stopped by a face mask and washing hands??

It's only mysterious to someone who wanders around confused by the whole world and doesn't understand how washing your hands prevents the spread of disease.

How do you even function in day to day life with that level or ignorance about simple things like how soap works?  :-\
Topic is what it is and it doesn't go away using soap to wash your hands. I use critical thinking going around. You don't have to be intelligent for it. I just ask for evidence of things.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 31, 2020, 08:37:57 AM
A mysterious virus that is stopped by a face mask and washing hands??

It's only mysterious to someone who wanders around confused by the whole world and doesn't understand how washing your hands prevents the spread of disease.

How do you even function in day to day life with that level or ignorance about simple things like how soap works?  :-\
Topic is what it is and it doesn't go away using soap to wash your hands. I use critical thinking going around. You don't have to be intelligent for it. I just ask for evidence of things.

You need evidence of soap being able to wash stuff off your hands? Seriously.

If you have the ability to use critical thinking I've yet to see any evidence of it.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 31, 2020, 08:57:43 AM
A mysterious virus that is stopped by a face mask and washing hands??

It's only mysterious to someone who wanders around confused by the whole world and doesn't understand how washing your hands prevents the spread of disease.

How do you even function in day to day life with that level or ignorance about simple things like how soap works?  :-\
Topic is what it is and it doesn't go away using soap to wash your hands. I use critical thinking going around. You don't have to be intelligent for it. I just ask for evidence of things.

You need evidence of soap being able to wash stuff off your hands? Seriously.

If you have the ability to use critical thinking I've yet to see any evidence of it.
Well, washing hands may make the hands washed but does it stop, eg, the Corona-19 virus from spreading? As a understand virus in one  body spreads to another body via the skin of the bodies and it doesn't matter if the skin is dirty or clean. The virus just go from one body to another regardless of soap.

But topic is nuclear bombs. I don't think they exist at all. They are just stupid US/USSR 1945 propaganda and only evidence is funny photos and lying witnesses and similar experts.

Just because plenty idiots say nuclear bombs exist, I am not convinced. I need real evidence. Same with the Covid-19 soap and a paper diaper covering your mouth and nose.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on August 31, 2020, 08:59:40 AM
If you have the ability to use critical thinking I've yet to see any evidence of it.

That's the hidden challenge #6 ;)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 31, 2020, 09:08:47 AM
A mysterious virus that is stopped by a face mask and washing hands??

It's only mysterious to someone who wanders around confused by the whole world and doesn't understand how washing your hands prevents the spread of disease.

How do you even function in day to day life with that level or ignorance about simple things like how soap works?  :-\
Topic is what it is and it doesn't go away using soap to wash your hands. I use critical thinking going around. You don't have to be intelligent for it. I just ask for evidence of things.

You need evidence of soap being able to wash stuff off your hands? Seriously.

If you have the ability to use critical thinking I've yet to see any evidence of it.
Well, washing hands may make the hands washed but does it stop, eg, the Corona-19 virus from spreading? As a understand virus in one  body spreads to another body via the skin of the bodies and it doesn't matter if the skin is dirty or clean. The virus just go from one body to another regardless of soap.

Wow.

You do not understand how soap works, do you?

You do realize that 'clean' hands mean they don't have 'stuff' on them and that 'stuff' also includes virus particles?

To simplify to the level of a 2 year old... soap washed the bad viruses off your hands.

How can you not understand how WASHING HANDS works.  You think after you wash your hands they go from virus-covered dirty hands to virus-covered clean hands? Is the idea of 'clean' just some abstract concept to you?

I can't believe I'm trying to explain to a grown man how washing your hands works.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 31, 2020, 10:27:03 AM
A mysterious virus that is stopped by a face mask and washing hands??

It's only mysterious to someone who wanders around confused by the whole world and doesn't understand how washing your hands prevents the spread of disease.

How do you even function in day to day life with that level or ignorance about simple things like how soap works?  :-\
Topic is what it is and it doesn't go away using soap to wash your hands. I use critical thinking going around. You don't have to be intelligent for it. I just ask for evidence of things.

You need evidence of soap being able to wash stuff off your hands? Seriously.

If you have the ability to use critical thinking I've yet to see any evidence of it.
Well, washing hands may make the hands washed but does it stop, eg, the Corona-19 virus from spreading? As a understand virus in one  body spreads to another body via the skin of the bodies and it doesn't matter if the skin is dirty or clean. The virus just go from one body to another regardless of soap.

Wow.

You do not understand how soap works, do you?

You do realize that 'clean' hands mean they don't have 'stuff' on them and that 'stuff' also includes virus particles?

To simplify to the level of a 2 year old... soap washed the bad viruses off your hands.

How can you not understand how WASHING HANDS works.  You think after you wash your hands they go from virus-covered dirty hands to virus-covered clean hands? Is the idea of 'clean' just some abstract concept to you?

I can't believe I'm trying to explain to a grown man how washing your hands works.
Soap just cleans the top of what it cleans. It doesn't stop virus from passing.
Do you really think I wash my hands to stop my 5000+ virus to remain with me?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 31, 2020, 10:39:33 AM
A mysterious virus that is stopped by a face mask and washing hands??

It's only mysterious to someone who wanders around confused by the whole world and doesn't understand how washing your hands prevents the spread of disease.

How do you even function in day to day life with that level or ignorance about simple things like how soap works?  :-\
Topic is what it is and it doesn't go away using soap to wash your hands. I use critical thinking going around. You don't have to be intelligent for it. I just ask for evidence of things.

You need evidence of soap being able to wash stuff off your hands? Seriously.

If you have the ability to use critical thinking I've yet to see any evidence of it.
Well, washing hands may make the hands washed but does it stop, eg, the Corona-19 virus from spreading? As a understand virus in one  body spreads to another body via the skin of the bodies and it doesn't matter if the skin is dirty or clean. The virus just go from one body to another regardless of soap.

Wow.

You do not understand how soap works, do you?

You do realize that 'clean' hands mean they don't have 'stuff' on them and that 'stuff' also includes virus particles?

To simplify to the level of a 2 year old... soap washed the bad viruses off your hands.

How can you not understand how WASHING HANDS works.  You think after you wash your hands they go from virus-covered dirty hands to virus-covered clean hands? Is the idea of 'clean' just some abstract concept to you?

I can't believe I'm trying to explain to a grown man how washing your hands works.
Soap just cleans the top of what it cleans. It doesn't stop virus from passing.
Do you really think I wash my hands to stop my 5000+ virus to remain with me?

You don't think washing viruses off your hands stops you from passing them to other things or people you touch?

You DO understand that if you wash the viruses OFF your hands, you can't pass them on because you washed them off?

This is how washing works.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 31, 2020, 10:48:43 AM
A mysterious virus that is stopped by a face mask and washing hands??

It's only mysterious to someone who wanders around confused by the whole world and doesn't understand how washing your hands prevents the spread of disease.

How do you even function in day to day life with that level or ignorance about simple things like how soap works?  :-\
Topic is what it is and it doesn't go away using soap to wash your hands. I use critical thinking going around. You don't have to be intelligent for it. I just ask for evidence of things.

You need evidence of soap being able to wash stuff off your hands? Seriously.

If you have the ability to use critical thinking I've yet to see any evidence of it.
Well, washing hands may make the hands washed but does it stop, eg, the Corona-19 virus from spreading? As a understand virus in one  body spreads to another body via the skin of the bodies and it doesn't matter if the skin is dirty or clean. The virus just go from one body to another regardless of soap.

Wow.

You do not understand how soap works, do you?

You do realize that 'clean' hands mean they don't have 'stuff' on them and that 'stuff' also includes virus particles?

To simplify to the level of a 2 year old... soap washed the bad viruses off your hands.

How can you not understand how WASHING HANDS works.  You think after you wash your hands they go from virus-covered dirty hands to virus-covered clean hands? Is the idea of 'clean' just some abstract concept to you?

I can't believe I'm trying to explain to a grown man how washing your hands works.
Soap just cleans the top of what it cleans. It doesn't stop virus from passing.
Do you really think I wash my hands to stop my 5000+ virus to remain with me?

You don't think washing viruses off your hands stops you from passing them to other things or people you touch?

You DO understand that if you wash the viruses OFF your hands, you can't pass them on because you washed them off?

This is how washing works.
Well, but the virus is not on top of your hand. It is deep inside a living cell of your body that is not washed off by soap.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on August 31, 2020, 10:52:47 AM
A mysterious virus that is stopped by a face mask and washing hands??

It's only mysterious to someone who wanders around confused by the whole world and doesn't understand how washing your hands prevents the spread of disease.

How do you even function in day to day life with that level or ignorance about simple things like how soap works?  :-\
Topic is what it is and it doesn't go away using soap to wash your hands. I use critical thinking going around. You don't have to be intelligent for it. I just ask for evidence of things.

You need evidence of soap being able to wash stuff off your hands? Seriously.

If you have the ability to use critical thinking I've yet to see any evidence of it.
Well, washing hands may make the hands washed but does it stop, eg, the Corona-19 virus from spreading? As a understand virus in one  body spreads to another body via the skin of the bodies and it doesn't matter if the skin is dirty or clean. The virus just go from one body to another regardless of soap.

Wow.

You do not understand how soap works, do you?

You do realize that 'clean' hands mean they don't have 'stuff' on them and that 'stuff' also includes virus particles?

To simplify to the level of a 2 year old... soap washed the bad viruses off your hands.

How can you not understand how WASHING HANDS works.  You think after you wash your hands they go from virus-covered dirty hands to virus-covered clean hands? Is the idea of 'clean' just some abstract concept to you?

I can't believe I'm trying to explain to a grown man how washing your hands works.
Soap just cleans the top of what it cleans. It doesn't stop virus from passing.
Do you really think I wash my hands to stop my 5000+ virus to remain with me?

You don't think washing viruses off your hands stops you from passing them to other things or people you touch?

You DO understand that if you wash the viruses OFF your hands, you can't pass them on because you washed them off?

This is how washing works.
Well, but the virus is not on top of your hand. It is deep inside a living cell of your body that is not washed off by soap.

I...

You..

Really.

Ok.

Let me try and explain. The virus inside your body gets out when you cough or sneeze or breathe, and when you touch your face, or cough on your hands you can get the virus... ON YOUR HANDS.

Which then you can give to other people, or contaminate other objects that people touch.

So... lets step though this carefully.

1. Virus is inside you.
2. Virus gets outside.
3. Washing the bad virus off stops it from getting into other people.

Does that make any more sense?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 31, 2020, 11:25:41 AM
Well, but the virus is not on top of your hand. It is deep inside a living cell of your body that is not washed off by soap.
*sigh*  If you are not infected, then washing your hands helps keep the virus on the outside your body from getting inside your body.  If you are infected, then you should be in isolation/quarantine.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 31, 2020, 06:40:23 PM
A mysterious virus that is stopped by a face mask and washing hands??

It's only mysterious to someone who wanders around confused by the whole world and doesn't understand how washing your hands prevents the spread of disease.

How do you even function in day to day life with that level or ignorance about simple things like how soap works?  :-\
Topic is what it is and it doesn't go away using soap to wash your hands. I use critical thinking going around. You don't have to be intelligent for it. I just ask for evidence of things.

You need evidence of soap being able to wash stuff off your hands? Seriously.

If you have the ability to use critical thinking I've yet to see any evidence of it.
Well, washing hands may make the hands washed but does it stop, eg, the Corona-19 virus from spreading? As a understand virus in one  body spreads to another body via the skin of the bodies and it doesn't matter if the skin is dirty or clean. The virus just go from one body to another regardless of soap.

Wow.

You do not understand how soap works, do you?

You do realize that 'clean' hands mean they don't have 'stuff' on them and that 'stuff' also includes virus particles?

To simplify to the level of a 2 year old... soap washed the bad viruses off your hands.

How can you not understand how WASHING HANDS works.  You think after you wash your hands they go from virus-covered dirty hands to virus-covered clean hands? Is the idea of 'clean' just some abstract concept to you?

I can't believe I'm trying to explain to a grown man how washing your hands works.
Soap just cleans the top of what it cleans. It doesn't stop virus from passing.
Do you really think I wash my hands to stop my 5000+ virus to remain with me?

You don't think washing viruses off your hands stops you from passing them to other things or people you touch?

You DO understand that if you wash the viruses OFF your hands, you can't pass them on because you washed them off?

This is how washing works.
Well, but the virus is not on top of your hand. It is deep inside a living cell of your body that is not washed off by soap.

I...

You..

Really.

Ok.

Let me try and explain. The virus inside your body gets out when you cough or sneeze or breathe, and when you touch your face, or cough on your hands you can get the virus... ON YOUR HANDS.

Which then you can give to other people, or contaminate other objects that people touch.

So... lets step though this carefully.

1. Virus is inside you.
2. Virus gets outside.
3. Washing the bad virus off stops it from getting into other people.

Does that make any more sense?
No.
The virus is always inside a living cell of a human being, living animal or plant. It cannot be washed away there. It is just a small part of the cell and difficult to locate. It spreads from cell to cell and from humans, animals and plants in various ways. No way to stop it and no reason to stop it. Your immune system will handle it. There are 1000's of different virus. I have more than a billion cells in my body with millions of virus of different kinds in them and, good news, I am immune against all of them. I think you mix up virus with bacteria. It is like a nuclear bomb. It doesn't work as fission is not explosive.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on August 31, 2020, 08:15:08 PM
The virus is always inside a living cell of a human being, living animal or plant. It cannot be washed away there. It is just a small part of the cell and difficult to locate. It spreads from cell to cell and from humans, animals and plants in various ways. No way to stop it and no reason to stop it. Your immune system will handle it. There are 1000's of different virus. I have more than a billion cells in my body with millions of virus of different kinds in them and, good news, I am immune against all of them. I think you mix up virus with bacteria.
I think that you need to have a long talk with your daughter the doctor about viruses.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on August 31, 2020, 11:40:28 PM
The virus is always inside a living cell of a human being, living animal or plant. It cannot be washed away there. It is just a small part of the cell and difficult to locate. It spreads from cell to cell and from humans, animals and plants in various ways. No way to stop it and no reason to stop it. Your immune system will handle it. There are 1000's of different virus. I have more than a billion cells in my body with millions of virus of different kinds in them and, good news, I am immune against all of them. I think you mix up virus with bacteria.
I think that you need to have a long talk with your daughter the doctor about viruses.
Well, her specialty is not a mysterious Covid-19 virus invented in China but various pain in legs and arms due to aging and not due to virus. Her hospital (Monaco) cannot even do the virus tests, which are done by outside laboratories. Anyway, the panic is over at Monaco. There was no pandemic here. It was/is a hoax to destroy the economy and disturb social life.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on September 01, 2020, 05:39:51 AM
No.
The virus is always inside a living cell of a human being, living animal or plant. It cannot be washed away there. It is just a small part of the cell and difficult to locate. It spreads from cell to cell and from humans, animals and plants in various ways. No way to stop it and no reason to stop it. Your immune system will handle it. There are 1000's of different virus. I have more than a billion cells in my body with millions of virus of different kinds in them and, good news, I am immune against all of them. I think you mix up virus with bacteria. It is like a nuclear bomb. It doesn't work as fission is not explosive.

Ok, so you have clearly demonstrated now that...

1. You don't understand how soap works.
2. You don't understand how washing hands works.
3. You don't understand how disease is transmitted.
4. You don't understand viruses and bacteria.
5. You don't understand how immune systems work.

Your level of ignorance is just mind-boggling for someone of your supposed experience. Every time you reply I think you can't possibly show a lack of understanding any worse than the last reply, and then you go and do it anyway.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on September 01, 2020, 06:17:59 AM
I think that you need to have a long talk with your daughter the doctor about viruses.
Well, her specialty is not a mysterious Covid-19 virus invented in China but various pain in legs and arms due to aging and not due to virus.
Even so, I'm sure that she still knows a lot more about how viruses work than you do.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 01, 2020, 07:37:07 AM
I think that you need to have a long talk with your daughter the doctor about viruses.
Well, her specialty is not a mysterious Covid-19 virus invented in China but various pain in legs and arms due to aging and not due to virus.
Even so, I'm sure that she still knows a lot more about how viruses work than you do.
No. I asked her.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on September 01, 2020, 08:27:51 AM
I think that you need to have a long talk with your daughter the doctor about viruses.
Well, her specialty is not a mysterious Covid-19 virus invented in China but various pain in legs and arms due to aging and not due to virus.
Even so, I'm sure that she still knows a lot more about how viruses work than you do.
No. I asked her.

Based upon the fact that you don't understand the cleansing qualities of soap and perhaps hygiene in general, and you claim your daughter doesn't know more about viruses than you, she must be a terrible Doctor.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on September 01, 2020, 09:30:26 AM
I think that you need to have a long talk with your daughter the doctor about viruses.
Well, her specialty is not a mysterious Covid-19 virus invented in China but various pain in legs and arms due to aging and not due to virus.
Even so, I'm sure that she still knows a lot more about how viruses work than you do.
No. I asked her.

Based upon the fact that you don't understand the cleansing qualities of soap and perhaps hygiene in general, and you claim your daughter doesn't know more about viruses than you, she must be a terrible Doctor.
I have suspicions that heiwa is a patient in a mental ward who has internet privileges and that most of what he talks about is true in his mind but is nothing but delusions and fantasy.   If his daughter is a doctor, she would have to be terrible to allow someone with the disillusions of Heiwa to not be in a mental ward.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 01, 2020, 10:16:01 AM
I think that you need to have a long talk with your daughter the doctor about viruses.
Well, her specialty is not a mysterious Covid-19 virus invented in China but various pain in legs and arms due to aging and not due to virus.
Even so, I'm sure that she still knows a lot more about how viruses work than you do.
No. I asked her.

Based upon the fact that you don't understand the cleansing qualities of soap and perhaps hygiene in general, and you claim your daughter doesn't know more about viruses than you, she must be a terrible Doctor.
A virus is always inside a living cell of plants, animals and humans. There are 1000's of different virus. And a plant, animal and human consist of billions of cells. A you cannot wash away a virus with soap. The virus is inside the cell.
Soap only washes the top of the skin of a human and doesn't stop the virus to spread.
Re my daughter/doctor she was born in London 1972, brought up at Yokohama, Japan, and then we moved to Monaco 1978, where she is today popular at the hospital since many years appointed by the Monegasque government. I live nearby. It is always good to have a good doctor/hospital nearby.
You sound having a bad judgement. And upbringing. And no education. Typical American. I feel sorry for you.

 
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on September 01, 2020, 10:31:35 AM
I think that you need to have a long talk with your daughter the doctor about viruses.
Well, her specialty is not a mysterious Covid-19 virus invented in China but various pain in legs and arms due to aging and not due to virus.
Even so, I'm sure that she still knows a lot more about how viruses work than you do.
No. I asked her.

Based upon the fact that you don't understand the cleansing qualities of soap and perhaps hygiene in general, and you claim your daughter doesn't know more about viruses than you, she must be a terrible Doctor.
A virus is always inside a living cell of plants, animals and humans. There are 1000's of different virus. And a plant, animal and human consist of billions of cells. A you cannot wash away a virus with soap. The virus is inside the cell.
Soap only washes the top of the skin of a human and doesn't stop the virus to spread.
Re my daughter/doctor she was born in London 1972, brought up at Yokohama, Japan, and then we moved to Monaco 1978, where she is today popular at the hospital since many years appointed by the Monegasque government. I live nearby. It is always good to have a good doctor/hospital nearby.
You sound having a bad judgement. And upbringing. And no education. Typical American. I feel sorry for you.

What if someone sneezed a lot of green phlegm on their hands and then shook your hand. Wouldn't you want to wash your hands?

Do you think if you then rubbed their phlegm in your eyes, picked your nose than licked your fingers that could get the virus in your body?

But if you washed your hands, before you did all that, you may have washed off / killed much of the virus that the other person put there


Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on September 01, 2020, 11:24:33 AM
Soap only washes the top of the skin of a human and doesn't stop the virus to spread.

Try eating soap, then it gets the viruses inside you too.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 01, 2020, 11:38:11 PM
I think that you need to have a long talk with your daughter the doctor about viruses.
Well, her specialty is not a mysterious Covid-19 virus invented in China but various pain in legs and arms due to aging and not due to virus.
Even so, I'm sure that she still knows a lot more about how viruses work than you do.
No. I asked her.

Based upon the fact that you don't understand the cleansing qualities of soap and perhaps hygiene in general, and you claim your daughter doesn't know more about viruses than you, she must be a terrible Doctor.
A virus is always inside a living cell of plants, animals and humans. There are 1000's of different virus. And a plant, animal and human consist of billions of cells. A you cannot wash away a virus with soap. The virus is inside the cell.
Soap only washes the top of the skin of a human and doesn't stop the virus to spread.
Re my daughter/doctor she was born in London 1972, brought up at Yokohama, Japan, and then we moved to Monaco 1978, where she is today popular at the hospital since many years appointed by the Monegasque government. I live nearby. It is always good to have a good doctor/hospital nearby.
You sound having a bad judgement. And upbringing. And no education. Typical American. I feel sorry for you.

What if someone sneezed a lot of green phlegm on their hands and then shook your hand. Wouldn't you want to wash your hands?

Do you think if you then rubbed their phlegm in your eyes, picked your nose than licked your fingers that could get the virus in your body?

But if you washed your hands, before you did all that, you may have washed off / killed much of the virus that the other person put there
There are >10 000's of researchers at >1 000's of institutions worldwide doing virus gene research trying to establish the genealogy of 1 000's of different virus inside various host cells of plants, animals and humans, I am told. It is big biz attracting a lot of strange people.
The virus manages to leave a host cell to attach to another host cell and then enter it = it spreads, I am told. But how does it spread between humans? I think it is via skin cells dropping off with sweat, etc. It means that hand washing and face masks are useless to stop the spreading. Personally I move around in the open with gloves on my hands and a helmet with eye protection on the head + protective clothing, so I feel safe going from A to B. On a motorbike.
And the virus? It is like a nuclear bomb. It doesn't exist!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on September 02, 2020, 08:56:41 AM
What if someone sneezed a lot of green phlegm on their hands and then shook your hand. Wouldn't you want to wash your hands?

Do you think if you then rubbed their phlegm in your eyes, picked your nose than licked your fingers that could get the virus in your body?

But if you washed your hands, before you did all that, you may have washed off / killed much of the virus that the other person put there
There are >10 000's of researchers at >1 000's of institutions worldwide doing virus gene research trying to establish the genealogy of 1 000's of different virus inside various host cells of plants, animals and humans, I am told. It is big biz attracting a lot of strange people.
The virus manages to leave a host cell to attach to another host cell and then enter it = it spreads, I am told. But how does it spread between humans? I think it is via skin cells dropping off with sweat, etc. It means that hand washing and face masks are useless to stop the spreading. Personally I move around in the open with gloves on my hands and a helmet with eye protection on the head + protective clothing, so I feel safe going from A to B. On a motorbike.
And the virus? It is like a nuclear bomb. It doesn't exist!

If this entire discussion isn't the definition of insanity, I don't know how what would be.

Viruses attract strange people, I am told. :o
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 02, 2020, 10:34:51 AM
What if someone sneezed a lot of green phlegm on their hands and then shook your hand. Wouldn't you want to wash your hands?

Do you think if you then rubbed their phlegm in your eyes, picked your nose than licked your fingers that could get the virus in your body?

But if you washed your hands, before you did all that, you may have washed off / killed much of the virus that the other person put there
There are >10 000's of researchers at >1 000's of institutions worldwide doing virus gene research trying to establish the genealogy of 1 000's of different virus inside various host cells of plants, animals and humans, I am told. It is big biz attracting a lot of strange people.
The virus manages to leave a host cell to attach to another host cell and then enter it = it spreads, I am told. But how does it spread between humans? I think it is via skin cells dropping off with sweat, etc. It means that hand washing and face masks are useless to stop the spreading. Personally I move around in the open with gloves on my hands and a helmet with eye protection on the head + protective clothing, so I feel safe going from A to B. On a motorbike.
And the virus? It is like a nuclear bomb. It doesn't exist!

If this entire discussion isn't the definition of insanity, I don't know how what would be.

Viruses attract strange people, I am told. :o
Just go back to post #1 about being insane to believe in nuclear bombs. You sound like a nuke believer. Does it make you feel good?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on September 03, 2020, 06:47:36 AM
I like being a nuke believer. It shows I understand physics.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 03, 2020, 07:18:59 AM
I like being a nuke believer. It shows I understand physics.
OK, you like top secret, military explosive fission that killed 100 000's people in two nano-second FLASHes 1945, because you understand physics. But do you really understand physics?
How do you start this explosive fission to produce the FLASHes? And why had it to be so powerful and fast? Was it necessary to destroy two towns full of civilians to impress the enemy that your penis was 1 m long?
As no American generals or Presidents have such body parts I simply suggest it was propaganda 1945.
I think the two Japanese towns were just napalm carpet bombed as >60 other towns.
But Donald and Joe have the opportunity to show I am wrong this autumn. Just lower the pants!
I remember 1970 when I was in the Swedish Royal Navy and we invited NATO and Warsaw pact to see how we would easily destroy any naval enemy attack of Sweden. We would just in a short time fill the Baltic, Kattegatt and North seas with our sea mines. It was my job.
The Russian and Polish guests were very impressed and reported back to Moscow to cancel any attacks on Sweden. But the US Marine Corps colonel full of medals on his front had his doubts. He asked me: "Where do you put the sea mines?" So I told him the secret. "Below the surface of the sea!"
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on September 03, 2020, 09:50:36 AM
Nukes are awesome.  Heiwa is just jealous that he doesn't understand them or much of anything else.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 03, 2020, 10:21:21 AM
Nukes are awesome.  Heiwa is just jealous that he doesn't understand them or much of anything else.
This is an old thread that started 2009 and I must say post #7 says it all.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on September 03, 2020, 11:30:04 AM
Nukes are awesome.  Heiwa is just jealous that he doesn't understand them or much of anything else.
This is an old thread that started 2009 and I must say post #7 says it all.
Tom Bishop also believes that the earth is flat and acellerating upwards at a rate of 9.8m/s^2, so I would take anything he says with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 03, 2020, 11:50:01 AM
Nukes are awesome.  Heiwa is just jealous that he doesn't understand them or much of anything else.
This is an old thread that started 2009 and I must say post #7 says it all.
Tom Bishop also believes that the earth is flat and acellerating upwards at a rate of 9.8m/s^2, so I would take anything he says with a grain of salt.
Well, his observations of Hiroshima/Nagasaki in Japan are similar to mine. Re flat earth I have a view of the sea from my bedroom and office and can see the Sun rise every morning. Three months ago it rose far left behind Italy but no it rises out of the sea straight out. In December the Sun will rise over Corsica 20° on the right. These views convince me Earth is a planet in the Solar system that rotates around its poles while orbiting the Sun.
What do you think? Do you love US nukes? Good news, neither Donald nor Joe can nuke you.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on September 03, 2020, 01:29:48 PM
Nukes are awesome.  Heiwa is just jealous that he doesn't understand them or much of anything else.
This is an old thread that started 2009 and I must say post #7 says it all.
Tom Bishop also believes that the earth is flat and acellerating upwards at a rate of 9.8m/s^2, so I would take anything he says with a grain of salt.
Well, his observations of Hiroshima/Nagasaki in Japan are similar to mine. Re flat earth I have a view of the sea from my bedroom and office and can see the Sun rise every morning. Three months ago it rose far left behind Italy but no it rises out of the sea straight out. In December the Sun will rise over Corsica 20° on the right. These views convince me Earth is a planet in the Solar system that rotates around its poles while orbiting the Sun.
What do you think? Do you love US nukes? Good news, neither Donald nor Joe can nuke you.

Why don't you like nukes?  What's not completely awesome about man's ability to create a weapon of incredible scientific beauty while being catastrophically destructive at the same time?  It's an impressive feat of man's ingenuity and science.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 03, 2020, 07:28:38 PM
Nukes are awesome.  Heiwa is just jealous that he doesn't understand them or much of anything else.
This is an old thread that started 2009 and I must say post #7 says it all.
Tom Bishop also believes that the earth is flat and acellerating upwards at a rate of 9.8m/s^2, so I would take anything he says with a grain of salt.
Well, his observations of Hiroshima/Nagasaki in Japan are similar to mine. Re flat earth I have a view of the sea from my bedroom and office and can see the Sun rise every morning. Three months ago it rose far left behind Italy but no it rises out of the sea straight out. In December the Sun will rise over Corsica 20° on the right. These views convince me Earth is a planet in the Solar system that rotates around its poles while orbiting the Sun.
What do you think? Do you love US nukes? Good news, neither Donald nor Joe can nuke you.

Why don't you like nukes?  What's not completely awesome about man's ability to create a weapon of incredible scientific beauty while being catastrophically destructive at the same time?  It's an impressive feat of man's ingenuity and science.
Nukes cannot explode. It is as simple as that. The opposite is propaganda. Just look at the clowns behind this feat of 1940's pseudo-science. So the three nuke explosions July/August 1945 were just Fake News that media loved to publish.
So at home no need to drop to floor and try to get under a bed or heavy table, if nuke attack comes with NO WARNING.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on September 03, 2020, 07:54:21 PM
I like being a nuke believer. It shows I understand physics.
OK, you like top secret, military explosive fission that killed 100 000's people in two nano-second FLASHes 1945, because you understand physics. But do you really understand physics?
How do you start this explosive fission to produce the FLASHes? And why had it to be so powerful and fast? Was it necessary to destroy two towns full of civilians to impress the enemy that your penis was 1 m long?
As no American generals or Presidents have such body parts I simply suggest it was propaganda 1945.
I think the two Japanese towns were just napalm carpet bombed as >60 other towns.
But Donald and Joe have the opportunity to show I am wrong this autumn. Just lower the pants!
I remember 1970 when I was in the Swedish Royal Navy and we invited NATO and Warsaw pact to see how we would easily destroy any naval enemy attack of Sweden. We would just in a short time fill the Baltic, Kattegatt and North seas with our sea mines. It was my job.
The Russian and Polish guests were very impressed and reported back to Moscow to cancel any attacks on Sweden. But the US Marine Corps colonel full of medals on his front had his doubts. He asked me: "Where do you put the sea mines?" So I told him the secret. "Below the surface of the sea!"

I wouldn't say I like them but I do understand them. It's actually not difficult. Maybe if you grew up less than 30min from a nuclear bomb plant and had a friend who's mother died of radiation poison you may understand them too. They still run commercials looking for old workers of the plant.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 03, 2020, 10:32:01 PM
I like being a nuke believer. It shows I understand physics.
OK, you like top secret, military explosive fission that killed 100 000's people in two nano-second FLASHes 1945, because you understand physics. But do you really understand physics?
How do you start this explosive fission to produce the FLASHes? And why had it to be so powerful and fast? Was it necessary to destroy two towns full of civilians to impress the enemy that your penis was 1 m long?
As no American generals or Presidents have such body parts I simply suggest it was propaganda 1945.
I think the two Japanese towns were just napalm carpet bombed as >60 other towns.
But Donald and Joe have the opportunity to show I am wrong this autumn. Just lower the pants!
I remember 1970 when I was in the Swedish Royal Navy and we invited NATO and Warsaw pact to see how we would easily destroy any naval enemy attack of Sweden. We would just in a short time fill the Baltic, Kattegatt and North seas with our sea mines. It was my job.
The Russian and Polish guests were very impressed and reported back to Moscow to cancel any attacks on Sweden. But the US Marine Corps colonel full of medals on his front had his doubts. He asked me: "Where do you put the sea mines?" So I told him the secret. "Below the surface of the sea!"

I wouldn't say I like them but I do understand them. It's actually not difficult. Maybe if you grew up less than 30min from a nuclear bomb plant and had a friend who's mother died of radiation poison you may understand them too. They still run commercials looking for old workers of the plant.
Nuclear bomb plants and radiation poison are also just propaganda. The only nuclear bomb plants I know about are the ones at Los Alamos, NM, and Amarillo, TX, and they are both pure bullshit. Nobody worked there.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on September 03, 2020, 10:36:51 PM
I like being a nuke believer. It shows I understand physics.
OK, you like top secret, military explosive fission that killed 100 000's people in two nano-second FLASHes 1945, because you understand physics. But do you really understand physics?
How do you start this explosive fission to produce the FLASHes? And why had it to be so powerful and fast? Was it necessary to destroy two towns full of civilians to impress the enemy that your penis was 1 m long?
As no American generals or Presidents have such body parts I simply suggest it was propaganda 1945.
I think the two Japanese towns were just napalm carpet bombed as >60 other towns.
But Donald and Joe have the opportunity to show I am wrong this autumn. Just lower the pants!
I remember 1970 when I was in the Swedish Royal Navy and we invited NATO and Warsaw pact to see how we would easily destroy any naval enemy attack of Sweden. We would just in a short time fill the Baltic, Kattegatt and North seas with our sea mines. It was my job.
The Russian and Polish guests were very impressed and reported back to Moscow to cancel any attacks on Sweden. But the US Marine Corps colonel full of medals on his front had his doubts. He asked me: "Where do you put the sea mines?" So I told him the secret. "Below the surface of the sea!"

I wouldn't say I like them but I do understand them. It's actually not difficult. Maybe if you grew up less than 30min from a nuclear bomb plant and had a friend who's mother died of radiation poison you may understand them too. They still run commercials looking for old workers of the plant.
Nuclear bomb plants and radiation poison are also just propaganda. The only nuclear bomb plants I know about are the ones at Los Alamos, NM, and Amarillo, TX, and they are both pure bullshit. Nobody worked there.

Evidence?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Bullwinkle on September 03, 2020, 11:19:31 PM

Manne just gave me advice.

Manne's advice . . . 'shut the fuck up you idiot'.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 04, 2020, 01:39:29 AM
I like being a nuke believer. It shows I understand physics.
OK, you like top secret, military explosive fission that killed 100 000's people in two nano-second FLASHes 1945, because you understand physics. But do you really understand physics?
How do you start this explosive fission to produce the FLASHes? And why had it to be so powerful and fast? Was it necessary to destroy two towns full of civilians to impress the enemy that your penis was 1 m long?
As no American generals or Presidents have such body parts I simply suggest it was propaganda 1945.
I think the two Japanese towns were just napalm carpet bombed as >60 other towns.
But Donald and Joe have the opportunity to show I am wrong this autumn. Just lower the pants!
I remember 1970 when I was in the Swedish Royal Navy and we invited NATO and Warsaw pact to see how we would easily destroy any naval enemy attack of Sweden. We would just in a short time fill the Baltic, Kattegatt and North seas with our sea mines. It was my job.
The Russian and Polish guests were very impressed and reported back to Moscow to cancel any attacks on Sweden. But the US Marine Corps colonel full of medals on his front had his doubts. He asked me: "Where do you put the sea mines?" So I told him the secret. "Below the surface of the sea!"

I wouldn't say I like them but I do understand them. It's actually not difficult. Maybe if you grew up less than 30min from a nuclear bomb plant and had a friend who's mother died of radiation poison you may understand them too. They still run commercials looking for old workers of the plant.
Nuclear bomb plants and radiation poison are also just propaganda. The only nuclear bomb plants I know about are the ones at Los Alamos, NM, and Amarillo, TX, and they are both pure bullshit. Nobody worked there.

Evidence?
According https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B61_nuclear_bomb >4000 B61 bombs have been built at Los Alamos, NM, since 1963 but when I went to have a look nobody had heard about it. Not even FBI! There isn't even a good restaurant at Los Alamos. It seems the town if full retarded retired PhDs. Imagine transporting all this uranium 235 up there to fill the bombs and then transporting the bombs all over the world.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 04, 2020, 01:46:56 AM

Manne just gave me advice.

Manne's advice . . . 'shut the fuck up you idiot'.

No, Manne's advice was quite good. Avoid theoretical pseudo-physics to build nuclear war heads and rockets for military slobs and idiots to play with. Do something real and worthwhile, e.g. mechanical sciences, incl. shipbuilding which is quite complicated stuff, welding all these steel bits together to become a hull and fit it with engines, generators, cranes, etc, which I have done. And I am not an idiot. Many people are but not me.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on September 04, 2020, 04:34:47 AM
I like being a nuke believer. It shows I understand physics.
OK, you like top secret, military explosive fission that killed 100 000's people in two nano-second FLASHes 1945, because you understand physics. But do you really understand physics?
How do you start this explosive fission to produce the FLASHes? And why had it to be so powerful and fast? Was it necessary to destroy two towns full of civilians to impress the enemy that your penis was 1 m long?
As no American generals or Presidents have such body parts I simply suggest it was propaganda 1945.
I think the two Japanese towns were just napalm carpet bombed as >60 other towns.
But Donald and Joe have the opportunity to show I am wrong this autumn. Just lower the pants!
I remember 1970 when I was in the Swedish Royal Navy and we invited NATO and Warsaw pact to see how we would easily destroy any naval enemy attack of Sweden. We would just in a short time fill the Baltic, Kattegatt and North seas with our sea mines. It was my job.
The Russian and Polish guests were very impressed and reported back to Moscow to cancel any attacks on Sweden. But the US Marine Corps colonel full of medals on his front had his doubts. He asked me: "Where do you put the sea mines?" So I told him the secret. "Below the surface of the sea!"

I wouldn't say I like them but I do understand them. It's actually not difficult. Maybe if you grew up less than 30min from a nuclear bomb plant and had a friend who's mother died of radiation poison you may understand them too. They still run commercials looking for old workers of the plant.
Nuclear bomb plants and radiation poison are also just propaganda. The only nuclear bomb plants I know about are the ones at Los Alamos, NM, and Amarillo, TX, and they are both pure bullshit. Nobody worked there.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Flats_Plant


They made thermonuclear bomb triggers, which is a normal fission bomb.

You need to realize you know very little.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 04, 2020, 05:18:28 AM
I like being a nuke believer. It shows I understand physics.
OK, you like top secret, military explosive fission that killed 100 000's people in two nano-second FLASHes 1945, because you understand physics. But do you really understand physics?
How do you start this explosive fission to produce the FLASHes? And why had it to be so powerful and fast? Was it necessary to destroy two towns full of civilians to impress the enemy that your penis was 1 m long?
As no American generals or Presidents have such body parts I simply suggest it was propaganda 1945.
I think the two Japanese towns were just napalm carpet bombed as >60 other towns.
But Donald and Joe have the opportunity to show I am wrong this autumn. Just lower the pants!
I remember 1970 when I was in the Swedish Royal Navy and we invited NATO and Warsaw pact to see how we would easily destroy any naval enemy attack of Sweden. We would just in a short time fill the Baltic, Kattegatt and North seas with our sea mines. It was my job.
The Russian and Polish guests were very impressed and reported back to Moscow to cancel any attacks on Sweden. But the US Marine Corps colonel full of medals on his front had his doubts. He asked me: "Where do you put the sea mines?" So I told him the secret. "Below the surface of the sea!"

I wouldn't say I like them but I do understand them. It's actually not difficult. Maybe if you grew up less than 30min from a nuclear bomb plant and had a friend who's mother died of radiation poison you may understand them too. They still run commercials looking for old workers of the plant.
Nuclear bomb plants and radiation poison are also just propaganda. The only nuclear bomb plants I know about are the ones at Los Alamos, NM, and Amarillo, TX, and they are both pure bullshit. Nobody worked there.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Flats_Plant


They made thermonuclear bomb triggers, which is a normal fission bomb.

You need to realize you know very little.
No, because above is also just nonsense.
Prove me wrong - http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm - and I'll pay you €1M.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on September 04, 2020, 05:19:21 AM
And yet the ground is full of plutonium.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 04, 2020, 06:14:51 AM
And yet the ground is full of plutonium.
No, plutonium doesn't exist in  nature. Only idiots find plutonium in the ground. BTW, what does it look like? Gold, silver, diamonds, ...?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on September 04, 2020, 06:20:07 AM
And yet the ground is full of plutonium.
No, plutonium doesn't exist in  nature. Only idiots find plutonium in the ground. BTW, what does it look like? Gold, silver, diamonds, ...?

It actually does in trace amounts.

But what I was referring to is the pollution left from the factories. The area was a superfund site. Plutonium was intentionally dumped on the ground.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on September 04, 2020, 09:12:50 AM
Nuclear bomb plants and radiation poison are also just propaganda. The only nuclear bomb plants I know about are the ones at Los Alamos, NM, and Amarillo, TX, and they are both pure bullshit. Nobody worked there.

Ever been to Los Alamos?  I have.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 04, 2020, 10:14:22 AM
And yet the ground is full of plutonium.
No, plutonium doesn't exist in  nature. Only idiots find plutonium in the ground. BTW, what does it look like? Gold, silver, diamonds, ...?

It actually does in trace amounts.

But what I was referring to is the pollution left from the factories. The area was a superfund site. Plutonium was intentionally dumped on the ground.

No, plutonium only exists in the minds of pseudo-scientists and nuke lovers.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 04, 2020, 10:17:43 AM
Nuclear bomb plants and radiation poison are also just propaganda. The only nuclear bomb plants I know about are the ones at Los Alamos, NM, and Amarillo, TX, and they are both pure bullshit. Nobody worked there.

Ever been to Los Alamos?  I have.

You have? So where were all B61 bombs made? And is the ground there full of plutonium? And what is the best restaurant at Los Alamos?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on September 04, 2020, 10:34:15 AM
Nukes are awesome.  Heiwa is just jealous that he doesn't understand them or much of anything else.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 04, 2020, 11:21:53 AM
Nukes are awesome.  Heiwa is just jealous that he doesn't understand them or much of anything else.
At present I look for a good restaurant at Los Alamos. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on September 04, 2020, 11:24:49 AM
I like being a nuke believer. It shows I understand physics.
OK, you like top secret, military explosive fission that killed 100 000's people in two nano-second FLASHes 1945, because you understand physics. But do you really understand physics?
How do you start this explosive fission to produce the FLASHes? And why had it to be so powerful and fast? Was it necessary to destroy two towns full of civilians to impress the enemy that your penis was 1 m long?
As no American generals or Presidents have such body parts I simply suggest it was propaganda 1945.
I think the two Japanese towns were just napalm carpet bombed as >60 other towns.
But Donald and Joe have the opportunity to show I am wrong this autumn. Just lower the pants!
I remember 1970 when I was in the Swedish Royal Navy and we invited NATO and Warsaw pact to see how we would easily destroy any naval enemy attack of Sweden. We would just in a short time fill the Baltic, Kattegatt and North seas with our sea mines. It was my job.
The Russian and Polish guests were very impressed and reported back to Moscow to cancel any attacks on Sweden. But the US Marine Corps colonel full of medals on his front had his doubts. He asked me: "Where do you put the sea mines?" So I told him the secret. "Below the surface of the sea!"

I wouldn't say I like them but I do understand them. It's actually not difficult. Maybe if you grew up less than 30min from a nuclear bomb plant and had a friend who's mother died of radiation poison you may understand them too. They still run commercials looking for old workers of the plant.
Nuclear bomb plants and radiation poison are also just propaganda. The only nuclear bomb plants I know about are the ones at Los Alamos, NM, and Amarillo, TX, and they are both pure bullshit. Nobody worked there.

Evidence?
According https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B61_nuclear_bomb >4000 B61 bombs have been built at Los Alamos, NM, since 1963 but when I went to have a look nobody had heard about it. Not even FBI! There isn't even a good restaurant at Los Alamos. It seems the town if full retarded retired PhDs. Imagine transporting all this uranium 235 up there to fill the bombs and then transporting the bombs all over the world.

- When and why did you go to Los Alamos?
- Did you just wander around asking random people if they build nuclear weapons there? If so, that's rather odd.
- How and why were you talking to the FBI? What did you ask them and what did you expect their answers to be?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on September 04, 2020, 12:05:57 PM
Nuclear bomb plants and radiation poison are also just propaganda. The only nuclear bomb plants I know about are the ones at Los Alamos, NM, and Amarillo, TX, and they are both pure bullshit. Nobody worked there.

Ever been to Los Alamos?  I have.

You have? So where were all B61 bombs made? And is the ground there full of plutonium? And what is the best restaurant at Los Alamos?

What's your security clearance?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on September 04, 2020, 12:24:43 PM
Nuclear bomb plants and radiation poison are also just propaganda. The only nuclear bomb plants I know about are the ones at Los Alamos, NM, and Amarillo, TX, and they are both pure bullshit. Nobody worked there.

Ever been to Los Alamos?  I have.

You have? So where were all B61 bombs made? And is the ground there full of plutonium? And what is the best restaurant at Los Alamos?

What's your security clearance?

Wouldn't matter if he had one.  He is FORN.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on September 04, 2020, 12:58:47 PM
Nukes are awesome.  Heiwa is just jealous that he doesn't understand them or much of anything else.
At present I look for a good restaurant at Los Alamos. Any ideas?
Yes.  Just ask Yelp!
https://www.yelp.com/search?cflt=restaurants&find_loc=Los+Alamos%2C+CA

Or, better yet, ask the locals.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on September 04, 2020, 01:01:50 PM
- How and why were you talking to the FBI? What did you ask them and what did you expect their answers to be?
The FBI was probably asking Anders about his interest in building nuclear weapons.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on September 04, 2020, 02:22:10 PM
And yet the ground is full of plutonium.
No, plutonium doesn't exist in  nature. Only idiots find plutonium in the ground. BTW, what does it look like? Gold, silver, diamonds, ...?

It actually does in trace amounts.

But what I was referring to is the pollution left from the factories. The area was a superfund site. Plutonium was intentionally dumped on the ground.

No, plutonium only exists in the minds of pseudo-scientists and nuke lovers.

That’s really ignorant.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 04, 2020, 06:49:13 PM
I like being a nuke believer. It shows I understand physics.
OK, you like top secret, military explosive fission that killed 100 000's people in two nano-second FLASHes 1945, because you understand physics. But do you really understand physics?
How do you start this explosive fission to produce the FLASHes? And why had it to be so powerful and fast? Was it necessary to destroy two towns full of civilians to impress the enemy that your penis was 1 m long?
As no American generals or Presidents have such body parts I simply suggest it was propaganda 1945.
I think the two Japanese towns were just napalm carpet bombed as >60 other towns.
But Donald and Joe have the opportunity to show I am wrong this autumn. Just lower the pants!
I remember 1970 when I was in the Swedish Royal Navy and we invited NATO and Warsaw pact to see how we would easily destroy any naval enemy attack of Sweden. We would just in a short time fill the Baltic, Kattegatt and North seas with our sea mines. It was my job.
The Russian and Polish guests were very impressed and reported back to Moscow to cancel any attacks on Sweden. But the US Marine Corps colonel full of medals on his front had his doubts. He asked me: "Where do you put the sea mines?" So I told him the secret. "Below the surface of the sea!"

I wouldn't say I like them but I do understand them. It's actually not difficult. Maybe if you grew up less than 30min from a nuclear bomb plant and had a friend who's mother died of radiation poison you may understand them too. They still run commercials looking for old workers of the plant.
Nuclear bomb plants and radiation poison are also just propaganda. The only nuclear bomb plants I know about are the ones at Los Alamos, NM, and Amarillo, TX, and they are both pure bullshit. Nobody worked there.

Evidence?
According https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B61_nuclear_bomb >4000 B61 bombs have been built at Los Alamos, NM, since 1963 but when I went to have a look nobody had heard about it. Not even FBI! There isn't even a good restaurant at Los Alamos. It seems the town if full retarded retired PhDs. Imagine transporting all this uranium 235 up there to fill the bombs and then transporting the bombs all over the world.

- When and why did you go to Los Alamos?
- Did you just wander around asking random people if they build nuclear weapons there? If so, that's rather odd.
- How and why were you talking to the FBI? What did you ask them and what did you expect their answers to be?

It was November 2010. I was invited to speak at Albuquerque about structural design and damage analysis - http://www.heiwaco.com/pouf.htm . The meeting was a success. Plenty stupid PhDs were around. I assume some of them also were in the nuke biz. So I went to Los Alamos for a look at the nuke factories and the plutonium on the ground.  Awful place. Didn't find much of interest there.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on September 04, 2020, 07:20:35 PM
It was November 2010. I was invited to speak at Albuquerque about structural design and damage analysis. The meeting was a success. Plenty stupid PhDs were around. I assume some of them also were in the nuke biz.
Why would you assume that? ???
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on September 04, 2020, 07:21:48 PM
I like being a nuke believer. It shows I understand physics.
OK, you like top secret, military explosive fission that killed 100 000's people in two nano-second FLASHes 1945, because you understand physics. But do you really understand physics?
How do you start this explosive fission to produce the FLASHes? And why had it to be so powerful and fast? Was it necessary to destroy two towns full of civilians to impress the enemy that your penis was 1 m long?
As no American generals or Presidents have such body parts I simply suggest it was propaganda 1945.
I think the two Japanese towns were just napalm carpet bombed as >60 other towns.
But Donald and Joe have the opportunity to show I am wrong this autumn. Just lower the pants!
I remember 1970 when I was in the Swedish Royal Navy and we invited NATO and Warsaw pact to see how we would easily destroy any naval enemy attack of Sweden. We would just in a short time fill the Baltic, Kattegatt and North seas with our sea mines. It was my job.
The Russian and Polish guests were very impressed and reported back to Moscow to cancel any attacks on Sweden. But the US Marine Corps colonel full of medals on his front had his doubts. He asked me: "Where do you put the sea mines?" So I told him the secret. "Below the surface of the sea!"

I wouldn't say I like them but I do understand them. It's actually not difficult. Maybe if you grew up less than 30min from a nuclear bomb plant and had a friend who's mother died of radiation poison you may understand them too. They still run commercials looking for old workers of the plant.
Nuclear bomb plants and radiation poison are also just propaganda. The only nuclear bomb plants I know about are the ones at Los Alamos, NM, and Amarillo, TX, and they are both pure bullshit. Nobody worked there.

Evidence?
According https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B61_nuclear_bomb >4000 B61 bombs have been built at Los Alamos, NM, since 1963 but when I went to have a look nobody had heard about it. Not even FBI! There isn't even a good restaurant at Los Alamos. It seems the town if full retarded retired PhDs. Imagine transporting all this uranium 235 up there to fill the bombs and then transporting the bombs all over the world.

- When and why did you go to Los Alamos?
- Did you just wander around asking random people if they build nuclear weapons there? If so, that's rather odd.
- How and why were you talking to the FBI? What did you ask them and what did you expect their answers to be?

It was November 2010. I was invited to speak at Albuquerque about structural design and damage analysis - http://www.heiwaco.com/pouf.htm . The meeting was a success. Plenty stupid PhDs were around. I assume some of them also were in the nuke biz. So I went to Los Alamos for a look at the nuke factories and the plutonium on the ground.  Awful place. Didn't find much of interest there.
Wrong state. Plutonium on the ground is in Colorado.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 04, 2020, 10:25:28 PM
It was November 2010. I was invited to speak at Albuquerque about structural design and damage analysis. The meeting was a success. Plenty stupid PhDs were around. I assume some of them also were in the nuke biz.
Why would you assume that? ???
Only stupid PhDs build nukes and rockets. And Los Alamos was full of them. Others lived in the Rio Grande gutter. What do you think of my 2010 presentation - http://heiwaco.tripod.com/pouf.htm ? Isn't it good? And FBI didn't understand a thing. I really feel sorry for USA with such incompetent police.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 04, 2020, 10:30:41 PM
I like being a nuke believer. It shows I understand physics.
OK, you like top secret, military explosive fission that killed 100 000's people in two nano-second FLASHes 1945, because you understand physics. But do you really understand physics?
How do you start this explosive fission to produce the FLASHes? And why had it to be so powerful and fast? Was it necessary to destroy two towns full of civilians to impress the enemy that your penis was 1 m long?
As no American generals or Presidents have such body parts I simply suggest it was propaganda 1945.
I think the two Japanese towns were just napalm carpet bombed as >60 other towns.
But Donald and Joe have the opportunity to show I am wrong this autumn. Just lower the pants!
I remember 1970 when I was in the Swedish Royal Navy and we invited NATO and Warsaw pact to see how we would easily destroy any naval enemy attack of Sweden. We would just in a short time fill the Baltic, Kattegatt and North seas with our sea mines. It was my job.
The Russian and Polish guests were very impressed and reported back to Moscow to cancel any attacks on Sweden. But the US Marine Corps colonel full of medals on his front had his doubts. He asked me: "Where do you put the sea mines?" So I told him the secret. "Below the surface of the sea!"

I wouldn't say I like them but I do understand them. It's actually not difficult. Maybe if you grew up less than 30min from a nuclear bomb plant and had a friend who's mother died of radiation poison you may understand them too. They still run commercials looking for old workers of the plant.
Nuclear bomb plants and radiation poison are also just propaganda. The only nuclear bomb plants I know about are the ones at Los Alamos, NM, and Amarillo, TX, and they are both pure bullshit. Nobody worked there.

Evidence?
According https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B61_nuclear_bomb >4000 B61 bombs have been built at Los Alamos, NM, since 1963 but when I went to have a look nobody had heard about it. Not even FBI! There isn't even a good restaurant at Los Alamos. It seems the town if full retarded retired PhDs. Imagine transporting all this uranium 235 up there to fill the bombs and then transporting the bombs all over the world.

- When and why did you go to Los Alamos?
- Did you just wander around asking random people if they build nuclear weapons there? If so, that's rather odd.
- How and why were you talking to the FBI? What did you ask them and what did you expect their answers to be?

It was November 2010. I was invited to speak at Albuquerque about structural design and damage analysis - http://www.heiwaco.com/pouf.htm . The meeting was a success. Plenty stupid PhDs were around. I assume some of them also were in the nuke biz. So I went to Los Alamos for a look at the nuke factories and the plutonium on the ground.  Awful place. Didn't find much of interest there.
Wrong state. Plutonium on the ground is in Colorado.
But Los Alamos, New Mexico, built >4000 B61 nuclear bombs full of plutonium 1963 onwards. Anyway, plutonium is just a metal that explodes when compressed to double density, if you believe the secrets, so it is not dangerous at all. 
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on September 04, 2020, 11:20:49 PM
I like being a nuke believer. It shows I understand physics.
OK, you like top secret, military explosive fission that killed 100 000's people in two nano-second FLASHes 1945, because you understand physics. But do you really understand physics?
How do you start this explosive fission to produce the FLASHes? And why had it to be so powerful and fast? Was it necessary to destroy two towns full of civilians to impress the enemy that your penis was 1 m long?
As no American generals or Presidents have such body parts I simply suggest it was propaganda 1945.
I think the two Japanese towns were just napalm carpet bombed as >60 other towns.
But Donald and Joe have the opportunity to show I am wrong this autumn. Just lower the pants!
I remember 1970 when I was in the Swedish Royal Navy and we invited NATO and Warsaw pact to see how we would easily destroy any naval enemy attack of Sweden. We would just in a short time fill the Baltic, Kattegatt and North seas with our sea mines. It was my job.
The Russian and Polish guests were very impressed and reported back to Moscow to cancel any attacks on Sweden. But the US Marine Corps colonel full of medals on his front had his doubts. He asked me: "Where do you put the sea mines?" So I told him the secret. "Below the surface of the sea!"

I wouldn't say I like them but I do understand them. It's actually not difficult. Maybe if you grew up less than 30min from a nuclear bomb plant and had a friend who's mother died of radiation poison you may understand them too. They still run commercials looking for old workers of the plant.
Nuclear bomb plants and radiation poison are also just propaganda. The only nuclear bomb plants I know about are the ones at Los Alamos, NM, and Amarillo, TX, and they are both pure bullshit. Nobody worked there.

Evidence?
According https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B61_nuclear_bomb >4000 B61 bombs have been built at Los Alamos, NM, since 1963 but when I went to have a look nobody had heard about it. Not even FBI! There isn't even a good restaurant at Los Alamos. It seems the town if full retarded retired PhDs. Imagine transporting all this uranium 235 up there to fill the bombs and then transporting the bombs all over the world.

- When and why did you go to Los Alamos?
- Did you just wander around asking random people if they build nuclear weapons there? If so, that's rather odd.
- How and why were you talking to the FBI? What did you ask them and what did you expect their answers to be?

It was November 2010. I was invited to speak at Albuquerque about structural design and damage analysis - http://www.heiwaco.com/pouf.htm . The meeting was a success. Plenty stupid PhDs were around. I assume some of them also were in the nuke biz. So I went to Los Alamos for a look at the nuke factories and the plutonium on the ground.  Awful place. Didn't find much of interest there.

I don't know how you define "success". But from looking at Dave Thomas' comments, the organizer of the event you attended and the founder of the skeptical group, New Mexicans for Science and Reason, you're considered a footnote as being a part of the "noplaner" faction within 911 Truthers. Meaning you are one of the nutjob conspiracy theorists who doesn't believe planes were even involved in 911. So if you consider that a success, then well so be it. But otherwise, the group you spoke to rebutted and debunked all of your conspiracy notions. Maybe that's success to you.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 05, 2020, 03:05:01 AM
I like being a nuke believer. It shows I understand physics.
OK, you like top secret, military explosive fission that killed 100 000's people in two nano-second FLASHes 1945, because you understand physics. But do you really understand physics?
How do you start this explosive fission to produce the FLASHes? And why had it to be so powerful and fast? Was it necessary to destroy two towns full of civilians to impress the enemy that your penis was 1 m long?
As no American generals or Presidents have such body parts I simply suggest it was propaganda 1945.
I think the two Japanese towns were just napalm carpet bombed as >60 other towns.
But Donald and Joe have the opportunity to show I am wrong this autumn. Just lower the pants!
I remember 1970 when I was in the Swedish Royal Navy and we invited NATO and Warsaw pact to see how we would easily destroy any naval enemy attack of Sweden. We would just in a short time fill the Baltic, Kattegatt and North seas with our sea mines. It was my job.
The Russian and Polish guests were very impressed and reported back to Moscow to cancel any attacks on Sweden. But the US Marine Corps colonel full of medals on his front had his doubts. He asked me: "Where do you put the sea mines?" So I told him the secret. "Below the surface of the sea!"

I wouldn't say I like them but I do understand them. It's actually not difficult. Maybe if you grew up less than 30min from a nuclear bomb plant and had a friend who's mother died of radiation poison you may understand them too. They still run commercials looking for old workers of the plant.
Nuclear bomb plants and radiation poison are also just propaganda. The only nuclear bomb plants I know about are the ones at Los Alamos, NM, and Amarillo, TX, and they are both pure bullshit. Nobody worked there.

Evidence?
According https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B61_nuclear_bomb >4000 B61 bombs have been built at Los Alamos, NM, since 1963 but when I went to have a look nobody had heard about it. Not even FBI! There isn't even a good restaurant at Los Alamos. It seems the town if full retarded retired PhDs. Imagine transporting all this uranium 235 up there to fill the bombs and then transporting the bombs all over the world.

- When and why did you go to Los Alamos?
- Did you just wander around asking random people if they build nuclear weapons there? If so, that's rather odd.
- How and why were you talking to the FBI? What did you ask them and what did you expect their answers to be?

It was November 2010. I was invited to speak at Albuquerque about structural design and damage analysis - http://www.heiwaco.com/pouf.htm . The meeting was a success. Plenty stupid PhDs were around. I assume some of them also were in the nuke biz. So I went to Los Alamos for a look at the nuke factories and the plutonium on the ground.  Awful place. Didn't find much of interest there.

I don't know how you define "success". But from looking at Dave Thomas' comments, the organizer of the event you attended and the founder of the skeptical group, New Mexicans for Science and Reason, you're considered a footnote as being a part of the "noplaner" faction within 911 Truthers. Meaning you are one of the nutjob conspiracy theorists who doesn't believe planes were even involved in 911. So if you consider that a success, then well so be it. But otherwise, the group you spoke to rebutted and debunked all of your conspiracy notions. Maybe that's success to you.
I was 2010 just invited to make a friendly speech. And the speech was a success. The problem was the FBI. After my speech all persons including Dave Thomas disappeared. The place became empty. Normally you go to a bar for a drink, have fun, etc, but here ... nothing. I looked around. Nothing. I always wonder what happened to Dave. Any ideas? Call him.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on September 05, 2020, 04:17:55 AM
I was 2010 just invited to make a friendly speech. And the speech was a success. The problem was the FBI. After my speech all persons including Dave Thomas disappeared. The place became empty. Normally you go to a bar for a drink, have fun, etc, but here ... nothing. I looked around. Nothing. I always wonder what happened to Dave. Any ideas? Call him.

You gave a speech about your crazy conspiracy theories and then were baffled when nobody wanted to hang out with you after.

If it makes you feel better to blame the FBI, go ahead. That makes more sense. ::)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 05, 2020, 07:10:47 AM
I was 2010 just invited to make a friendly speech. And the speech was a success. The problem was the FBI. After my speech all persons including Dave Thomas disappeared. The place became empty. Normally you go to a bar for a drink, have fun, etc, but here ... nothing. I looked around. Nothing. I always wonder what happened to Dave. Any ideas? Call him.

You gave a speech about your crazy conspiracy theories and then were baffled when nobody wanted to hang out with you after.

If it makes you feel better to blame the FBI, go ahead. That makes more sense. ::)
Yes, it was a strange ending of the meeting about basic structural design. No crazy conspiracy of mine, though. A small top of any structure cannot suddenly crush the intact structure below. The structure below is designed to carry the top above safely. Albuquerque FBI didn't understand it. The SAC didn't appear very bright.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on September 05, 2020, 08:00:49 AM
It was November 2010. I was invited to speak at Albuquerque about structural design and damage analysis. The meeting was a success. Plenty stupid PhDs were around. I assume some of them also were in the nuke biz.
Why would you assume that? ???
Only stupid PhDs build nukes and rockets. And Los Alamos was full of them.
Why would nuclear PhDs from Los Alamos go to your speech on structural design and damage analysis in Albuquerque?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 05, 2020, 08:16:15 AM
I like being a nuke believer. It shows I understand physics.
OK, you like top secret, military explosive fission that killed 100 000's people in two nano-second FLASHes 1945, because you understand physics. But do you really understand physics?
How do you start this explosive fission to produce the FLASHes? And why had it to be so powerful and fast? Was it necessary to destroy two towns full of civilians to impress the enemy that your penis was 1 m long?
As no American generals or Presidents have such body parts I simply suggest it was propaganda 1945.
I think the two Japanese towns were just napalm carpet bombed as >60 other towns.
But Donald and Joe have the opportunity to show I am wrong this autumn. Just lower the pants!
I remember 1970 when I was in the Swedish Royal Navy and we invited NATO and Warsaw pact to see how we would easily destroy any naval enemy attack of Sweden. We would just in a short time fill the Baltic, Kattegatt and North seas with our sea mines. It was my job.
The Russian and Polish guests were very impressed and reported back to Moscow to cancel any attacks on Sweden. But the US Marine Corps colonel full of medals on his front had his doubts. He asked me: "Where do you put the sea mines?" So I told him the secret. "Below the surface of the sea!"

I wouldn't say I like them but I do understand them. It's actually not difficult. Maybe if you grew up less than 30min from a nuclear bomb plant and had a friend who's mother died of radiation poison you may understand them too. They still run commercials looking for old workers of the plant.
Nuclear bomb plants and radiation poison are also just propaganda. The only nuclear bomb plants I know about are the ones at Los Alamos, NM, and Amarillo, TX, and they are both pure bullshit. Nobody worked there.

Evidence?
According https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B61_nuclear_bomb >4000 B61 bombs have been built at Los Alamos, NM, since 1963 but when I went to have a look nobody had heard about it. Not even FBI! There isn't even a good restaurant at Los Alamos. It seems the town if full retarded retired PhDs. Imagine transporting all this uranium 235 up there to fill the bombs and then transporting the bombs all over the world.

- When and why did you go to Los Alamos?
- Did you just wander around asking random people if they build nuclear weapons there? If so, that's rather odd.
- How and why were you talking to the FBI? What did you ask them and what did you expect their answers to be?

It was November 2010. I was invited to speak at Albuquerque about structural design and damage analysis - http://www.heiwaco.com/pouf.htm . The meeting was a success. Plenty stupid PhDs were around. I assume some of them also were in the nuke biz. So I went to Los Alamos for a look at the nuke factories and the plutonium on the ground.  Awful place. Didn't find much of interest there.

I don't know how you define "success". But from looking at Dave Thomas' comments, the organizer of the event you attended and the founder of the skeptical group, New Mexicans for Science and Reason, you're considered a footnote as being a part of the "noplaner" faction within 911 Truthers. Meaning you are one of the nutjob conspiracy theorists who doesn't believe planes were even involved in 911. So if you consider that a success, then well so be it. But otherwise, the group you spoke to rebutted and debunked all of your conspiracy notions. Maybe that's success to you.
?? You can fly as many planes you like into tops of skyscrapers and nothing will happen to the intact bottom. The top cannot crush the bottom. The bottom keeps the top in place.
You can of course drop the top on the bottom and ... the top bounces!
Dave Thomas performed this test himself by jumping on his bathroom scale. The scale just recorded his weight. No collapse.
Poor Dave Thomas. He was really worried that FBI would arrest (and torture?) him for inviting me to tell his PhD science and reason friends about gravity forces and structural design.
So after the meeting I went out alone in the night and met a bloody man. I wondered what was wrong with him and he said he had injured himself and thus visited the hospital nearby for treatment and ... had been kicked out! He had forgotten to bring the money! Poor sod. No treatment.
Albuquerque is a strange place with 50 streets North South and 50 avenues West East directions in the desert with houses or what you can call them in between. And a railway station. And some air force bases and a nuclear bomb museum. The FBI office was at one end surrounded by barbed wire and looked like a concentration camp. And only one good restaurant. It was French! The other one was Texmex and served things better forgotten. So I dined at the French one. Oysters had been flown in from Boston for me so I ate most of them. A couple at the next table wondered what oysters were and ordered one oyster each.  It also had a good wine cellar. I wonder how this restaurant survive?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 05, 2020, 08:22:02 AM
It was November 2010. I was invited to speak at Albuquerque about structural design and damage analysis. The meeting was a success. Plenty stupid PhDs were around. I assume some of them also were in the nuke biz.
Why would you assume that? ???
Only stupid PhDs build nukes and rockets. And Los Alamos was full of them.
Why would nuclear PhDs from Los Alamos go to your speech on structural design and damage analysis in Albuquerque?
I have no idea. Maybe they lived nearby? I didn't meet much people at Albuquerque. They were all driving around in their cars. I just passed by. Actually the reason for my visit to New Mexico was to visit some art galleries at Santa Fe.
Do you like art?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: 17 November on September 05, 2020, 09:00:59 AM
Can you prove that atoms even exist?


I understand that Pierre Duhem was a prominent chemist of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries whose book ‘The Aim and Structure of Physical Theory’ says that although atoms do not exist, theoretical models about the interaction of elements such as the periodic table can be useful to a limited extent.

https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Aim_and_Structure_of_Physical_Theory.html?id=5mVPK7QBdTkC&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button

I should say that a French priest who was particularly interested in science named Stanley Jaki wrote a sympathetic biography of Duhem that delves into the contentious issues of late nineteenth century science and which I perceive could prove more insightful to read for an appreciation of an overview of the history of physics before reading books by Duhem himself.

‘Uneasy Genius:
The Life and Work of Pierre Duhem’
By Stanley Jaki

https://books.google.com/books/about/Uneasy_Genius_The_Life_And_Work_Of_Pierr.html?id=qXDwCAAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on September 05, 2020, 12:01:03 PM
I like being a nuke believer. It shows I understand physics.
OK, you like top secret, military explosive fission that killed 100 000's people in two nano-second FLASHes 1945, because you understand physics. But do you really understand physics?
How do you start this explosive fission to produce the FLASHes? And why had it to be so powerful and fast? Was it necessary to destroy two towns full of civilians to impress the enemy that your penis was 1 m long?
As no American generals or Presidents have such body parts I simply suggest it was propaganda 1945.
I think the two Japanese towns were just napalm carpet bombed as >60 other towns.
But Donald and Joe have the opportunity to show I am wrong this autumn. Just lower the pants!
I remember 1970 when I was in the Swedish Royal Navy and we invited NATO and Warsaw pact to see how we would easily destroy any naval enemy attack of Sweden. We would just in a short time fill the Baltic, Kattegatt and North seas with our sea mines. It was my job.
The Russian and Polish guests were very impressed and reported back to Moscow to cancel any attacks on Sweden. But the US Marine Corps colonel full of medals on his front had his doubts. He asked me: "Where do you put the sea mines?" So I told him the secret. "Below the surface of the sea!"

I wouldn't say I like them but I do understand them. It's actually not difficult. Maybe if you grew up less than 30min from a nuclear bomb plant and had a friend who's mother died of radiation poison you may understand them too. They still run commercials looking for old workers of the plant.
Nuclear bomb plants and radiation poison are also just propaganda. The only nuclear bomb plants I know about are the ones at Los Alamos, NM, and Amarillo, TX, and they are both pure bullshit. Nobody worked there.

Evidence?
According https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B61_nuclear_bomb >4000 B61 bombs have been built at Los Alamos, NM, since 1963 but when I went to have a look nobody had heard about it. Not even FBI! There isn't even a good restaurant at Los Alamos. It seems the town if full retarded retired PhDs. Imagine transporting all this uranium 235 up there to fill the bombs and then transporting the bombs all over the world.

- When and why did you go to Los Alamos?
- Did you just wander around asking random people if they build nuclear weapons there? If so, that's rather odd.
- How and why were you talking to the FBI? What did you ask them and what did you expect their answers to be?

It was November 2010. I was invited to speak at Albuquerque about structural design and damage analysis - http://www.heiwaco.com/pouf.htm . The meeting was a success. Plenty stupid PhDs were around. I assume some of them also were in the nuke biz. So I went to Los Alamos for a look at the nuke factories and the plutonium on the ground.  Awful place. Didn't find much of interest there.

I don't know how you define "success". But from looking at Dave Thomas' comments, the organizer of the event you attended and the founder of the skeptical group, New Mexicans for Science and Reason, you're considered a footnote as being a part of the "noplaner" faction within 911 Truthers. Meaning you are one of the nutjob conspiracy theorists who doesn't believe planes were even involved in 911. So if you consider that a success, then well so be it. But otherwise, the group you spoke to rebutted and debunked all of your conspiracy notions. Maybe that's success to you.
?? You can fly as many planes you like into tops of skyscrapers and nothing will happen to the intact bottom. The top cannot crush the bottom. The bottom keeps the top in place.
You can of course drop the top on the bottom and ... the top bounces!
Dave Thomas performed this test himself by jumping on his bathroom scale. The scale just recorded his weight. No collapse.
Poor Dave Thomas. He was really worried that FBI would arrest (and torture?) him for inviting me to tell his PhD science and reason friends about gravity forces and structural design.
So after the meeting I went out alone in the night and met a bloody man. I wondered what was wrong with him and he said he had injured himself and thus visited the hospital nearby for treatment and ... had been kicked out! He had forgotten to bring the money! Poor sod. No treatment.
Albuquerque is a strange place with 50 streets North South and 50 avenues West East directions in the desert with houses or what you can call them in between. And a railway station. And some air force bases and a nuclear bomb museum. The FBI office was at one end surrounded by barbed wire and looked like a concentration camp. And only one good restaurant. It was French! The other one was Texmex and served things better forgotten. So I dined at the French one. Oysters had been flown in from Boston for me so I ate most of them. A couple at the next table wondered what oysters were and ordered one oyster each.  It also had a good wine cellar. I wonder how this restaurant survive?

I don't know what the bloody man and oysters and avenues have to do with nuclear weapons. Are you ok? Your response seems a little crazed, demented. You skip your meds?

Anyway, are you a "noplaner"? As in you don't believe airplanes hit the towers?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on September 05, 2020, 04:49:35 PM
Heiwa once said if an asteroid from space hit the roof of your house it would bounce off so.....

Where is your office Heiwa? Ill bring my Nespresso machine over and we can enjoy some as we talk about it. (once the Aussie government lifts the ban on us travelling).

Give Nespresso another chance. Don't blame the brand because you had a cheap machine.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on September 05, 2020, 06:07:47 PM
Where is your office Heiwa? Ill bring my Nespresso machine over and we can enjoy some as we talk about it. (once the Aussie government lifts the ban on us travelling).
I'm sure that the Australian government would be willing to make an exception and let you leave, as long as you promise not to come back.  :P
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 05, 2020, 10:30:48 PM

I don't know what the bloody man and oysters and avenues have to do with nuclear weapons. Are you ok? Your response seems a little crazed, demented. You skip your meds?

Anyway, are you a "noplaner"? As in you don't believe airplanes hit the towers?

Somebody asked about my visit to Albuquerque and surroundings, NM, November 2010 which included meeting a bloody man in the street and eating oysters at a French restaurant. I never went to see the famous crater in the desert (the Trinity site) where  US #1 nuke allegedly exploded July 1945 - the area was closed off (and there is no crater).
Yes I am ok. Only med I take is red wine.
Re 911 I am a no planer since day #1. Reason is that you can fly as many planes you like into tops of skyscrapers, which I explained in detail to experts (and FBI) at Albuquerque. It was a good meeting. I enjoyed it. If a plane hits a skyscraper, the floors of the skyscraper slice the plane's body into many bits and there is no FIRE BALL explosion inside the building. The wings would also not enter the skyscraper. They would be knocked off by the external wall and drop to the ground. So all footage of planes landing into skyscrapers is false! The footage of the two towers becoming dust is also false. It looks as if explosions occur at the floors top and bottom, which a plane collision at the top cannot produce.
I also enjoyed the art galleries at Santa Fe (purpose of trip).
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on September 06, 2020, 09:31:01 AM
But Los Alamos, New Mexico, built >4000 B61 nuclear bombs full of plutonium 1963 onwards. Anyway, plutonium is just a metal that explodes when compressed to double density, if you believe the secrets, so it is not dangerous at all.

Rocky flats milled the plutonium spheres to make the fission bomb that activated the fusion process for thermonuclear bombs, like the B61.

Rocky Flats did not deal with some of their waste properly, thus all the contamination. Also there was a fire that sent some into the air.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 06, 2020, 10:44:30 AM
But Los Alamos, New Mexico, built >4000 B61 nuclear bombs full of plutonium 1963 onwards. Anyway, plutonium is just a metal that explodes when compressed to double density, if you believe the secrets, so it is not dangerous at all.

Rocky flats milled the plutonium spheres to make the fission bomb that activated the fusion process for thermonuclear bombs, like the B61.

Rocky Flats did not deal with some of their waste properly, thus all the contamination. Also there was a fire that sent some into the air.

Yes, I know about Rocky Flats, outside Denver, Colorado, and its waste. That facility's primary mission was the alleged fabrication of plutonium pits which were then shipped to Los Alamos to be assembled into nuclear weapons. But plutonium metal is not dangerous and no nuclear weapons were ever put together at Los Alamos. So I assume Rocky Flats and its waste were just propaganda. Money, you know!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on September 06, 2020, 11:37:04 AM
But Los Alamos, New Mexico, built >4000 B61 nuclear bombs full of plutonium 1963 onwards. Anyway, plutonium is just a metal that explodes when compressed to double density, if you believe the secrets, so it is not dangerous at all.

Rocky flats milled the plutonium spheres to make the fission bomb that activated the fusion process for thermonuclear bombs, like the B61.

Rocky Flats did not deal with some of their waste properly, thus all the contamination. Also there was a fire that sent some into the air.

Yes, I know about Rocky Flats, outside Denver, Colorado, and its waste. That facility's primary mission was the alleged fabrication of plutonium pits which were then shipped to Los Alamos to be assembled into nuclear weapons. But plutonium metal is not dangerous and no nuclear weapons were ever put together at Los Alamos. So I assume Rocky Flats and its waste were just propaganda. Money, you know!

And, as always, you have zero evidence for your claim.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on September 06, 2020, 11:41:24 AM

I don't know what the bloody man and oysters and avenues have to do with nuclear weapons. Are you ok? Your response seems a little crazed, demented. You skip your meds?

Anyway, are you a "noplaner"? As in you don't believe airplanes hit the towers?

Somebody asked about my visit to Albuquerque and surroundings, NM, November 2010 which included meeting a bloody man in the street and eating oysters at a French restaurant. I never went to see the famous crater in the desert (the Trinity site) where  US #1 nuke allegedly exploded July 1945 - the area was closed off (and there is no crater).
Yes I am ok. Only med I take is red wine.
Re 911 I am a no planer since day #1. Reason is that you can fly as many planes you like into tops of skyscrapers, which I explained in detail to experts (and FBI) at Albuquerque. It was a good meeting. I enjoyed it. If a plane hits a skyscraper, the floors of the skyscraper slice the plane's body into many bits and there is no FIRE BALL explosion inside the building. The wings would also not enter the skyscraper. They would be knocked off by the external wall and drop to the ground. So all footage of planes landing into skyscrapers is false! The footage of the two towers becoming dust is also false. It looks as if explosions occur at the floors top and bottom, which a plane collision at the top cannot produce.
I also enjoyed the art galleries at Santa Fe (purpose of trip).

Interesting. You are a noplaner. That's why you got kicked out of www.ae911truth.org. Makes sense now. Even those guys won't tolerate noplaners.

Ok, so here's the deal. I lived on the west coast of the US. Tuesday, Sept 11, 2001, I got woken up a little bit before 6 AM by a phonecall. It was a good friend of mine who lived in the West Village at the time in a highrise. I picked up the phone and all she said was "Turn on the fucking TV!" As I was doing so and asking her what was going on, she kept saying, "I don't know...I don't know..." I was staring at the TV seeing the first tower smoking up a storm. She was staring out her window at the towers, I was staring at the towers on CNN. The news was talking about a plane hitting the tower, etc., terrorism hadn't crossed either of our minds. So we kept talking and speculating. I could hear sirens through her phone.
Again, both staring at the towers live, me via TV, she via eyeballs. We both watched the second plane hit. At the same time. I saw the plane on TV. She the plane with her eyes. At the same time.
Countless people saw the plane. There's tons of network as well as amateur footage of the plane.
All the people on the plane(s) are dead.

You can go on and on about the engineering and physics behind the collapses, but you can't be a noplaner without being some kind of deluded lunatic.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 06, 2020, 12:21:57 PM

I don't know what the bloody man and oysters and avenues have to do with nuclear weapons. Are you ok? Your response seems a little crazed, demented. You skip your meds?

Anyway, are you a "noplaner"? As in you don't believe airplanes hit the towers?

Somebody asked about my visit to Albuquerque and surroundings, NM, November 2010 which included meeting a bloody man in the street and eating oysters at a French restaurant. I never went to see the famous crater in the desert (the Trinity site) where  US #1 nuke allegedly exploded July 1945 - the area was closed off (and there is no crater).
Yes I am ok. Only med I take is red wine.
Re 911 I am a no planer since day #1. Reason is that you can fly as many planes you like into tops of skyscrapers, which I explained in detail to experts (and FBI) at Albuquerque. It was a good meeting. I enjoyed it. If a plane hits a skyscraper, the floors of the skyscraper slice the plane's body into many bits and there is no FIRE BALL explosion inside the building. The wings would also not enter the skyscraper. They would be knocked off by the external wall and drop to the ground. So all footage of planes landing into skyscrapers is false! The footage of the two towers becoming dust is also false. It looks as if explosions occur at the floors top and bottom, which a plane collision at the top cannot produce.
I also enjoyed the art galleries at Santa Fe (purpose of trip).

Interesting. You are a noplaner. That's why you got kicked out of www.ae911truth.org. Makes sense now. Even those guys won't tolerate noplaners.

Ok, so here's the deal. I lived on the west coast of the US. Tuesday, Sept 11, 2001, I got woken up a little bit before 6 AM by a phonecall. It was a good friend of mine who lived in the West Village at the time in a highrise. I picked up the phone and all she said was "Turn on the fucking TV!" As I was doing so and asking her what was going on, she kept saying, "I don't know...I don't know..." I was staring at the TV seeing the first tower smoking up a storm. She was staring out her window at the towers, I was staring at the towers on CNN. The news was talking about a plane hitting the tower, etc., terrorism hadn't crossed either of our minds. So we kept talking and speculating. I could hear sirens through her phone.
Again, both staring at the towers live, me via TV, she via eyeballs. We both watched the second plane hit. At the same time. I saw the plane on TV. She the plane with her eyes. At the same time.
Countless people saw the plane. There's tons of network as well as amateur footage of the plane.
All the people on the plane(s) are dead.

You can go on and on about the engineering and physics behind the collapses, but you can't be a noplaner without being some kind of deluded lunatic.
Well, I was a noplaner 911 2001, when I watched TV at Freiberg i.Sa and I still am one today 2020. I assisted Richard Gage to start AE911 truth a little later after the incidents, but when I told Richard that all footage of planes hitting the WTCs was fakery ... that was the end of my association with AE911 Truth. But of course, Gage agrees with me that the collapses that followed were controlled demolitions. FBI is not happy about it.
No people saw any planes landing into the skyscrapers. But good propaganda created the illusions. Media reported plenty people had seen the planes. You were simply fooled.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on September 06, 2020, 12:24:09 PM

I don't know what the bloody man and oysters and avenues have to do with nuclear weapons. Are you ok? Your response seems a little crazed, demented. You skip your meds?

Anyway, are you a "noplaner"? As in you don't believe airplanes hit the towers?

Somebody asked about my visit to Albuquerque and surroundings, NM, November 2010 which included meeting a bloody man in the street and eating oysters at a French restaurant. I never went to see the famous crater in the desert (the Trinity site) where  US #1 nuke allegedly exploded July 1945 - the area was closed off (and there is no crater).
Yes I am ok. Only med I take is red wine.
Re 911 I am a no planer since day #1. Reason is that you can fly as many planes you like into tops of skyscrapers, which I explained in detail to experts (and FBI) at Albuquerque. It was a good meeting. I enjoyed it. If a plane hits a skyscraper, the floors of the skyscraper slice the plane's body into many bits and there is no FIRE BALL explosion inside the building. The wings would also not enter the skyscraper. They would be knocked off by the external wall and drop to the ground. So all footage of planes landing into skyscrapers is false! The footage of the two towers becoming dust is also false. It looks as if explosions occur at the floors top and bottom, which a plane collision at the top cannot produce.
I also enjoyed the art galleries at Santa Fe (purpose of trip).

Interesting. You are a noplaner. That's why you got kicked out of www.ae911truth.org. Makes sense now. Even those guys won't tolerate noplaners.

Ok, so here's the deal. I lived on the west coast of the US. Tuesday, Sept 11, 2001, I got woken up a little bit before 6 AM by a phonecall. It was a good friend of mine who lived in the West Village at the time in a highrise. I picked up the phone and all she said was "Turn on the fucking TV!" As I was doing so and asking her what was going on, she kept saying, "I don't know...I don't know..." I was staring at the TV seeing the first tower smoking up a storm. She was staring out her window at the towers, I was staring at the towers on CNN. The news was talking about a plane hitting the tower, etc., terrorism hadn't crossed either of our minds. So we kept talking and speculating. I could hear sirens through her phone.
Again, both staring at the towers live, me via TV, she via eyeballs. We both watched the second plane hit. At the same time. I saw the plane on TV. She the plane with her eyes. At the same time.
Countless people saw the plane. There's tons of network as well as amateur footage of the plane.
All the people on the plane(s) are dead.

You can go on and on about the engineering and physics behind the collapses, but you can't be a noplaner without being some kind of deluded lunatic.

I witness strikes again
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on September 06, 2020, 12:58:48 PM

I don't know what the bloody man and oysters and avenues have to do with nuclear weapons. Are you ok? Your response seems a little crazed, demented. You skip your meds?

Anyway, are you a "noplaner"? As in you don't believe airplanes hit the towers?

Somebody asked about my visit to Albuquerque and surroundings, NM, November 2010 which included meeting a bloody man in the street and eating oysters at a French restaurant. I never went to see the famous crater in the desert (the Trinity site) where  US #1 nuke allegedly exploded July 1945 - the area was closed off (and there is no crater).
Yes I am ok. Only med I take is red wine.
Re 911 I am a no planer since day #1. Reason is that you can fly as many planes you like into tops of skyscrapers, which I explained in detail to experts (and FBI) at Albuquerque. It was a good meeting. I enjoyed it. If a plane hits a skyscraper, the floors of the skyscraper slice the plane's body into many bits and there is no FIRE BALL explosion inside the building. The wings would also not enter the skyscraper. They would be knocked off by the external wall and drop to the ground. So all footage of planes landing into skyscrapers is false! The footage of the two towers becoming dust is also false. It looks as if explosions occur at the floors top and bottom, which a plane collision at the top cannot produce.
I also enjoyed the art galleries at Santa Fe (purpose of trip).

Interesting. You are a noplaner. That's why you got kicked out of www.ae911truth.org. Makes sense now. Even those guys won't tolerate noplaners.

Ok, so here's the deal. I lived on the west coast of the US. Tuesday, Sept 11, 2001, I got woken up a little bit before 6 AM by a phonecall. It was a good friend of mine who lived in the West Village at the time in a highrise. I picked up the phone and all she said was "Turn on the fucking TV!" As I was doing so and asking her what was going on, she kept saying, "I don't know...I don't know..." I was staring at the TV seeing the first tower smoking up a storm. She was staring out her window at the towers, I was staring at the towers on CNN. The news was talking about a plane hitting the tower, etc., terrorism hadn't crossed either of our minds. So we kept talking and speculating. I could hear sirens through her phone.
Again, both staring at the towers live, me via TV, she via eyeballs. We both watched the second plane hit. At the same time. I saw the plane on TV. She the plane with her eyes. At the same time.
Countless people saw the plane. There's tons of network as well as amateur footage of the plane.
All the people on the plane(s) are dead.

You can go on and on about the engineering and physics behind the collapses, but you can't be a noplaner without being some kind of deluded lunatic.
Well, I was a noplaner 911 2001, when I watched TV at Freiberg i.Sa and I still am one today 2020. I assisted Richard Gage to start AE911 truth a little later after the incidents, but when I told Richard that all footage of planes hitting the WTCs was fakery ... that was the end of my association with AE911 Truth. But of course, Gage agrees with me that the collapses that followed were controlled demolitions. FBI is not happy about it.
No people saw any planes landing into the skyscrapers. But good propaganda created the illusions. Media reported plenty people had seen the planes. You were simply fooled.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 06, 2020, 07:40:25 PM



Yes, it was a great show. But no real planes.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on September 06, 2020, 07:47:13 PM



Yes, it was a great show. But no real planes.

Based upon what evidence?

What were those things with wings flying into the tower(s)? What happened to the people on those flights?

Evidence is required, not just your opinions. I just gave you 18 pieces of evidence, some network and some amateur, all showing the same thing, and you have???
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 06, 2020, 11:25:12 PM



Yes, it was a great show. But no real planes.

Based upon what evidence?

What were those things with wings flying into the tower(s)? What happened to the people on those flights?

Evidence is required, not just your opinions. I just gave you 18 pieces of evidence, some network and some amateur, all showing the same thing, and you have???

Please, wake up. The matter is discussed at social media since day #1 of the event. There were no flights!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on September 07, 2020, 01:26:54 AM



Yes, it was a great show. But no real planes.

Based upon what evidence?

What were those things with wings flying into the tower(s)? What happened to the people on those flights?

Evidence is required, not just your opinions. I just gave you 18 pieces of evidence, some network and some amateur, all showing the same thing, and you have???

Please, wake up. The matter is discussed at social media since day #1 of the event. There were no flights!

Wake up to what? Social Media posts? Not really known as the bastion of facts and truth. Not to mention, back then "social media" was just a bunch of usenet bulletin boards. But that's what you base all your conspiracy theories on, Social Media? Explains a lot.

Where did the people on the flights go?

Funny coincidence; Prior to 9/11 I had taken that United flight 93 from Newark to SFO 3 times. And once on a Tuesday.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 07, 2020, 02:38:27 AM



Yes, it was a great show. But no real planes.

Based upon what evidence?

What were those things with wings flying into the tower(s)? What happened to the people on those flights?

Evidence is required, not just your opinions. I just gave you 18 pieces of evidence, some network and some amateur, all showing the same thing, and you have???

Please, wake up. The matter is discussed at social media since day #1 of the event. There were no flights!

Wake up to what? Social Media posts? Not really known as the bastion of facts and truth. Not to mention, back then "social media" was just a bunch of usenet bulletin boards. But that's what you base all your conspiracy theories on, Social Media? Explains a lot.

Where did the people on the flights go?

Funny coincidence; Prior to 9/11 I had taken that United flight 93 from Newark to SFO 3 times. And once on a Tuesday.
So what?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on September 07, 2020, 02:41:16 AM



Yes, it was a great show. But no real planes.

Based upon what evidence?

What were those things with wings flying into the tower(s)? What happened to the people on those flights?

Evidence is required, not just your opinions. I just gave you 18 pieces of evidence, some network and some amateur, all showing the same thing, and you have???

Please, wake up. The matter is discussed at social media since day #1 of the event. There were no flights!

Wake up to what? Social Media posts? Not really known as the bastion of facts and truth. Not to mention, back then "social media" was just a bunch of usenet bulletin boards. But that's what you base all your conspiracy theories on, Social Media? Explains a lot.

Where did the people on the flights go?

Funny coincidence; Prior to 9/11 I had taken that United flight 93 from Newark to SFO 3 times. And once on a Tuesday.
So what?

Where did the people on the flights go?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 07, 2020, 04:53:45 AM



Yes, it was a great show. But no real planes.

Based upon what evidence?

What were those things with wings flying into the tower(s)? What happened to the people on those flights?

Evidence is required, not just your opinions. I just gave you 18 pieces of evidence, some network and some amateur, all showing the same thing, and you have???

Please, wake up. The matter is discussed at social media since day #1 of the event. There were no flights!

Wake up to what? Social Media posts? Not really known as the bastion of facts and truth. Not to mention, back then "social media" was just a bunch of usenet bulletin boards. But that's what you base all your conspiracy theories on, Social Media? Explains a lot.

Where did the people on the flights go?

Funny coincidence; Prior to 9/11 I had taken that United flight 93 from Newark to SFO 3 times. And once on a Tuesday.
So what?

Where did the people on the flights go?
They never went!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on September 07, 2020, 05:04:03 AM
Can we be certain that aliens have never made a nuclear bomb though? The topic is if they exist. Heiwa says 'No'. But has he checked every corner of the universe? And not just in the present time but in the billions of years preceding now? Because an advanced civilization a billion years ago may have annihilated themselves through nuclear bombs. We cant say that certainly didn't happen because we lack the information to make a definitive claim

But, I mean, you could just look at any of the thousands of detonations that have occurred on this very planet in our very lifetime (well some of our life times) to get your answer as to whether or not they exist

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on September 07, 2020, 11:44:33 AM



Yes, it was a great show. But no real planes.

Based upon what evidence?

What were those things with wings flying into the tower(s)? What happened to the people on those flights?

Evidence is required, not just your opinions. I just gave you 18 pieces of evidence, some network and some amateur, all showing the same thing, and you have???

Please, wake up. The matter is discussed at social media since day #1 of the event. There were no flights!

Wake up to what? Social Media posts? Not really known as the bastion of facts and truth. Not to mention, back then "social media" was just a bunch of usenet bulletin boards. But that's what you base all your conspiracy theories on, Social Media? Explains a lot.

Where did the people on the flights go?

Funny coincidence; Prior to 9/11 I had taken that United flight 93 from Newark to SFO 3 times. And once on a Tuesday.
So what?

Where did the people on the flights go?
They never went!

Wait, so the Widows and Widowers and other friends and family of the passengers all went along with the ruse? And where did the so called passengers go that are supposed to be dead? None have been found alive. What's your evidence for all of those folks still being alive?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 07, 2020, 07:19:36 PM

Wait, so the Widows and Widowers and other friends and family of the passengers all went along with the ruse? And where did the so called passengers go that are supposed to be dead? None have been found alive. What's your evidence for all of those folks still being alive?

It is similar to August 1945 in Japan (topic). Plenty people at Hiroshima and Nagasaki reported having witnessed a FLASH in the sky and everyone below died except some people having witnessed a FLASH in the sky reported in the media, which 75 years later has become History.
But it never happened. No FLASHes in the sky.
Re 911 footage of planes flying at high speeds close to ground, they are all false! Reason? The planes have too high speeds for such low altitudes. And no radars recorded them.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on September 07, 2020, 10:58:11 PM

Wait, so the Widows and Widowers and other friends and family of the passengers all went along with the ruse? And where did the so called passengers go that are supposed to be dead? None have been found alive. What's your evidence for all of those folks still being alive?

It is similar to August 1945 in Japan (topic). Plenty people at Hiroshima and Nagasaki reported having witnessed a FLASH in the sky and everyone below died except some people having witnessed a FLASH in the sky reported in the media, which 75 years later has become History.
But it never happened. No FLASHes in the sky.
Re 911 footage of planes flying at high speeds close to ground, they are all false! Reason? The planes have too high speeds for such low altitudes. And no radars recorded them.

What the flashes in the sky over Japan have to do with 9/11 is irrelevant. 'Flashes' versus actual planes witnessed by millions and caught on camera by Network and amateur video alike all showing the same thing from various angles. Very different than Nagasaki and Hiroshima accounts.

Transponders were turned off so no definitive radar signature could be acquired. Using a 'primary' radar search some of the planes were picked up at various points on regional radar but unidentifiable and would quickly disappear as unexpected flight paths occurred.

What do you mean the planes have too high a speed at low altitudes? They exceeded the FAA regulatory load requirements, but did not exceed the 767 structural capabilities. A big distinction there. One of the planes hit the tower at approximately 540 mph. A 767 max certified speed is 412 mph at sea level. But that doesn't mean you can't fly it faster, especially considering there was no consideration for the equipment, a one way trip. "Certified" doesn't mean capability.

But you're not answering the questions, just avoiding it. Why? The real questions:

The Widows and Widowers and other friends and family of the passengers all went along with the ruse? And where did the so called passengers go that are supposed to be dead? None have been found alive. What's your evidence for all of those folks still being alive?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 07, 2020, 11:27:07 PM

Wait, so the Widows and Widowers and other friends and family of the passengers all went along with the ruse? And where did the so called passengers go that are supposed to be dead? None have been found alive. What's your evidence for all of those folks still being alive?

It is similar to August 1945 in Japan (topic). Plenty people at Hiroshima and Nagasaki reported having witnessed a FLASH in the sky and everyone below died except some people having witnessed a FLASH in the sky reported in the media, which 75 years later has become History.
But it never happened. No FLASHes in the sky.
Re 911 footage of planes flying at high speeds close to ground, they are all false! Reason? The planes have too high speeds for such low altitudes. And no radars recorded them.

What the flashes in the sky over Japan have to do with 9/11 is irrelevant. 'Flashes' versus actual planes witnessed by millions and caught on camera by Network and amateur video alike all showing the same thing from various angles. Very different than Nagasaki and Hiroshima accounts.

Transponders were turned off so no definitive radar signature could be acquired. Using a 'primary' radar search some of the planes were picked up at various points on regional radar but unidentifiable and would quickly disappear as unexpected flight paths occurred.

What do you mean the planes have too high a speed at low altitudes? They exceeded the FAA regulatory load requirements, but did not exceed the 767 structural capabilities. A big distinction there. One of the planes hit the tower at approximately 540 mph. A 767 max certified speed is 412 mph at sea level. But that doesn't mean you can't fly it faster, especially considering there was no consideration for the equipment, a one way trip. "Certified" doesn't mean capability.

But you're not answering the questions, just avoiding it. Why? The real questions:

The Widows and Widowers and other friends and family of the passengers all went along with the ruse? And where did the so called passengers go that are supposed to be dead? None have been found alive. What's your evidence for all of those folks still being alive?
The flashes in Japan were seen by paid witnesses part of the show. Same with 911 footage and survivors. The planes are flying too fast in the videos and the collisions with the walls are not realistic = fake footage (all of it). Easy to spread via media and Internet. The survivors? All paid actors part of the show. Please grow up!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on September 08, 2020, 12:14:33 AM

Wait, so the Widows and Widowers and other friends and family of the passengers all went along with the ruse? And where did the so called passengers go that are supposed to be dead? None have been found alive. What's your evidence for all of those folks still being alive?

It is similar to August 1945 in Japan (topic). Plenty people at Hiroshima and Nagasaki reported having witnessed a FLASH in the sky and everyone below died except some people having witnessed a FLASH in the sky reported in the media, which 75 years later has become History.
But it never happened. No FLASHes in the sky.
Re 911 footage of planes flying at high speeds close to ground, they are all false! Reason? The planes have too high speeds for such low altitudes. And no radars recorded them.

What the flashes in the sky over Japan have to do with 9/11 is irrelevant. 'Flashes' versus actual planes witnessed by millions and caught on camera by Network and amateur video alike all showing the same thing from various angles. Very different than Nagasaki and Hiroshima accounts.

Transponders were turned off so no definitive radar signature could be acquired. Using a 'primary' radar search some of the planes were picked up at various points on regional radar but unidentifiable and would quickly disappear as unexpected flight paths occurred.

What do you mean the planes have too high a speed at low altitudes? They exceeded the FAA regulatory load requirements, but did not exceed the 767 structural capabilities. A big distinction there. One of the planes hit the tower at approximately 540 mph. A 767 max certified speed is 412 mph at sea level. But that doesn't mean you can't fly it faster, especially considering there was no consideration for the equipment, a one way trip. "Certified" doesn't mean capability.

But you're not answering the questions, just avoiding it. Why? The real questions:

The Widows and Widowers and other friends and family of the passengers all went along with the ruse? And where did the so called passengers go that are supposed to be dead? None have been found alive. What's your evidence for all of those folks still being alive?
The flashes in Japan were seen by paid witnesses part of the show. Same with 911 footage and survivors. The planes are flying too fast in the videos and the collisions with the walls are not realistic = fake footage (all of it). Easy to spread via media and Internet. The survivors? All paid actors part of the show. Please grow up!

What's your evidence, for example, for paid actors?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 08, 2020, 01:06:04 AM

The flashes in Japan were seen by paid witnesses part of the show. Same with 911 footage and survivors. The planes are flying too fast in the videos and the collisions with the walls are not realistic = fake footage (all of it). Easy to spread via media and Internet. The survivors? All paid actors part of the show. Please grow up!

What's your evidence, for example, for paid actors?
The case has still not been heard in a law court. Some alleged perpetrators are still in jail at Gitmo, US naval base, awaiting trial. But some perpetrators have been released and all suggest they were tortured after being arrested to say things that never happened.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on September 08, 2020, 07:20:03 AM
But Los Alamos, New Mexico, built >4000 B61 nuclear bombs full of plutonium 1963 onwards. Anyway, plutonium is just a metal that explodes when compressed to double density, if you believe the secrets, so it is not dangerous at all.

Rocky flats milled the plutonium spheres to make the fission bomb that activated the fusion process for thermonuclear bombs, like the B61.

Rocky Flats did not deal with some of their waste properly, thus all the contamination. Also there was a fire that sent some into the air.

Yes, I know about Rocky Flats, outside Denver, Colorado, and its waste. That facility's primary mission was the alleged fabrication of plutonium pits which were then shipped to Los Alamos to be assembled into nuclear weapons. But plutonium metal is not dangerous and no nuclear weapons were ever put together at Los Alamos. So I assume Rocky Flats and its waste were just propaganda. Money, you know!
Incorrect. Plutonium contamination is still a problem. Even though the gov went and opened up some of the land.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 08, 2020, 07:45:26 AM
But Los Alamos, New Mexico, built >4000 B61 nuclear bombs full of plutonium 1963 onwards. Anyway, plutonium is just a metal that explodes when compressed to double density, if you believe the secrets, so it is not dangerous at all.

Rocky flats milled the plutonium spheres to make the fission bomb that activated the fusion process for thermonuclear bombs, like the B61.

Rocky Flats did not deal with some of their waste properly, thus all the contamination. Also there was a fire that sent some into the air.

Yes, I know about Rocky Flats, outside Denver, Colorado, and its waste. That facility's primary mission was the alleged fabrication of plutonium pits which were then shipped to Los Alamos to be assembled into nuclear weapons. But plutonium metal is not dangerous and no nuclear weapons were ever put together at Los Alamos. So I assume Rocky Flats and its waste were just propaganda. Money, you know!
Incorrect. Plutonium contamination is still a problem. Even though the gov went and opened up some of the land.
What kind of plutonium contamination? Plutonium is a metal that rusts if not protected. Just sweep it up and put it in a dry bin.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on September 08, 2020, 09:27:48 AM
It’s in the ground. There were attempts to clean it up. You wouldn’t care but others don’t want to walk a trail on ground that was once watered with plutonium.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 08, 2020, 09:39:35 AM
It’s in the ground. There were attempts to clean it up. You wouldn’t care but others don’t want to walk a trail on ground that was once watered with plutonium.

?? Watered with plutonium in the ground? But it is a metal. Used as fuel in WMDs put together at Los Alamos. Solid, plutonium metal cannot hurt anything.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on September 08, 2020, 09:39:37 AM
It’s in the ground. There were attempts to clean it up. You wouldn’t care but others don’t want to walk a trail on ground that was once watered with plutonium.

You have no problems drinking water laced with lead though  ???
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 08, 2020, 09:51:27 AM
This plutonium contamination of the Colorado ground is strange. Plutonium metal was top secret until 1952 and I don't know any private company handling it. It is not traded anywhere. Only USA needs it to build A-Bombs. That do not work. And then a company gets hold of it and ... spills it on the floor ... so it contaminates the ground ... and becomes a problem. I wonder what idiot made up this BS?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on September 08, 2020, 10:33:38 AM
This plutonium contamination of the Colorado ground is strange. Plutonium metal was top secret until 1952 and I don't know any private company handling it. It is not traded anywhere. Only USA needs it to build A-Bombs. That do not work. And then a company gets hold of it and ... spills it on the floor ... so it contaminates the ground ... and becomes a problem.

Ok.

I wonder what idiot made up this BS?

That would be you.  ;D
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sokarul on September 08, 2020, 10:49:07 AM
It’s in the ground. There were attempts to clean it up. You wouldn’t care but others don’t want to walk a trail on ground that was once watered with plutonium.

?? Watered with plutonium in the ground? But it is a metal. Used as fuel in WMDs put together at Los Alamos. Solid, plutonium metal cannot hurt anything.
Yes water with metal. They also used to cast in concrete but they didn’t always get it right so the blocks would fall apart. Ultimately though all the grand jury paperwork was lost/hidden so we will never really know what happened. We are just left with people who die of cancer.

All of which is real, despite what you say.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on September 08, 2020, 04:25:46 PM

The flashes in Japan were seen by paid witnesses part of the show. Same with 911 footage and survivors. The planes are flying too fast in the videos and the collisions with the walls are not realistic = fake footage (all of it). Easy to spread via media and Internet. The survivors? All paid actors part of the show. Please grow up!

What's your evidence, for example, for paid actors?
The case has still not been heard in a law court.

What 'case'?

Some alleged perpetrators are still in jail at Gitmo, US naval base, awaiting trial.

Who?

But some perpetrators have been released and all suggest they were tortured after being arrested to say things that never happened.

Who? And who said they were tortured to say things that didn't happen?

Where's your evidence that the passengers on the flights were paid actors?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on September 08, 2020, 09:29:17 PM

The flashes in Japan were seen by paid witnesses part of the show. Same with 911 footage and survivors. The planes are flying too fast in the videos and the collisions with the walls are not realistic = fake footage (all of it). Easy to spread via media and Internet. The survivors? All paid actors part of the show. Please grow up!

What's your evidence, for example, for paid actors?
The case has still not been heard in a law court.

What 'case'?

Some alleged perpetrators are still in jail at Gitmo, US naval base, awaiting trial.

Who?

But some perpetrators have been released and all suggest they were tortured after being arrested to say things that never happened.

Who? And who said they were tortured to say things that didn't happen?

Where's your evidence that the passengers on the flights were paid actors?

The '911 case' is still not solved. Of course GWB said Usama Bin Laden, UBL, did it and Obama murdered UBL, but UBL always insisted he was innocent. 100's of suspected 911 'terrorists' have been jailed at Gitmo and elswhere. I describe it at http://heiwaco.com/nist.htm
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on February 28, 2022, 01:00:29 AM
I take it Heiwa you consider Vladimir Putins threat of a nuclear weapon response in the Ukraine conflict is completely empty?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on February 28, 2022, 10:14:59 PM
I take it Heiwa you consider Vladimir Putins threat of a nuclear weapon response in the Ukraine conflict is completely empty?
Yes! Putin spent plenty time at Dresden, East Germany 1985/9 supervising uranium mining in the nearby mountains for the USSR nuclear bomb. It was a Stalin propaganda stunt. No atomic bombs were built and no uranium produced. http://heiwaco.com/ddr.htm#JFK . Have you ever been to Dresden? It was napalm bombed February 1945. Like Hiroshima and Nagasaki August 1945.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on February 28, 2022, 10:31:44 PM
I take it Heiwa you consider Vladimir Putins threat of a nuclear weapon response in the Ukraine conflict is completely empty?
Yes! Putin spent plenty time at Dresden, East Germany 1985/9 supervising uranium mining in the nearby mountains for the USSR nuclear bomb. It was a Stalin propaganda stunt. No atomic bombs were built and no uranium produced. http://heiwaco.com/ddr.htm#JFK . Have you ever been to Dresden? It was napalm bombed February 1945. Like Hiroshima and Nagasaki August 1945.

Dresden (In four raids between 13 and 15 February 1945, 772 heavy bombers of the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and 527 of the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the city):
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6lKWBq_a5Us/Xu-47edqohI/AAAAAAAAUi0/u1-Xjz98mAA_5EADJ-GkJ0zRrGyhPwtiACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/dresden_bombed_1945%2Brare%2Bhistorical%2Bphotos.jpg)

Hiroshima (One plane, one raid, one day, one bomb):
(https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/JQwqEanDf0xfcqCLi3ZDLoXJJoA=/1500x988/media/img/photo/2016/05/hiroshima-before-and-after-the-atom/h17_0284/original.jpg)

They look just a smidge different, don't you think?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on March 25, 2022, 03:55:12 AM
I take it Heiwa you consider Vladimir Putins threat of a nuclear weapon response in the Ukraine conflict is completely empty?
Yes! Putin spent plenty time at Dresden, East Germany 1985/9 supervising uranium mining in the nearby mountains for the USSR nuclear bomb. It was a Stalin propaganda stunt. No atomic bombs were built and no uranium produced. http://heiwaco.com/ddr.htm#JFK . Have you ever been to Dresden? It was napalm bombed February 1945. Like Hiroshima and Nagasaki August 1945.

There were hundreds of thousands who witnessed the atomic bombs, many who are still alive today. Do you really think that they are ALL lying.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on March 25, 2022, 09:02:26 AM
I take it Heiwa you consider Vladimir Putins threat of a nuclear weapon response in the Ukraine conflict is completely empty?
Yes! Putin spent plenty time at Dresden, East Germany 1985/9 supervising uranium mining in the nearby mountains for the USSR nuclear bomb. It was a Stalin propaganda stunt. No atomic bombs were built and no uranium produced. http://heiwaco.com/ddr.htm#JFK . Have you ever been to Dresden? It was napalm bombed February 1945. Like Hiroshima and Nagasaki August 1945.

There were hundreds of thousands who witnessed the atomic bombs, many who are still alive today. Do you really think that they are ALL lying.
Yes, but they are few.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on March 25, 2022, 09:08:12 AM
I take it Heiwa you consider Vladimir Putins threat of a nuclear weapon response in the Ukraine conflict is completely empty?
Yes! Putin spent plenty time at Dresden, East Germany 1985/9 supervising uranium mining in the nearby mountains for the USSR nuclear bomb. It was a Stalin propaganda stunt. No atomic bombs were built and no uranium produced. http://heiwaco.com/ddr.htm#JFK . Have you ever been to Dresden? It was napalm bombed February 1945. Like Hiroshima and Nagasaki August 1945.

There were hundreds of thousands who witnessed the atomic bombs, many who are still alive today. Do you really think that they are ALL lying.
Yes, but they are few.

So because billions of people haven't physically witnessed a nuclear explosion, it's fake.  Another great logical fallacy by the Mental Midget Anders.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on March 25, 2022, 10:58:02 AM
I take it Heiwa you consider Vladimir Putins threat of a nuclear weapon response in the Ukraine conflict is completely empty?
Yes! Putin spent plenty time at Dresden, East Germany 1985/9 supervising uranium mining in the nearby mountains for the USSR nuclear bomb. It was a Stalin propaganda stunt. No atomic bombs were built and no uranium produced. http://heiwaco.com/ddr.htm#JFK . Have you ever been to Dresden? It was napalm bombed February 1945. Like Hiroshima and Nagasaki August 1945.

There were hundreds of thousands who witnessed the atomic bombs, many who are still alive today. Do you really think that they are ALL lying.
Yes, but they are few.

So because billions of people haven't physically witnessed a nuclear explosion, it's fake.  Another great logical fallacy by the Mental Midget Anders.
Potus Biden has just stated he/US may use a nuke as things are heating up around Ukraine. My recommendation is to test the nuke first to ensure it functions. http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm  I assume Biden is fooled by his own propaganda. But why not? Blew up the whole world while you can, Potus!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on March 25, 2022, 12:36:24 PM
So because billions of people haven't physically witnessed a nuclear explosion, it's fake.  Another great logical fallacy by the Mental Midget Anders.
My recommendation is to test the nuke first to ensure it functions.

We got your request covered:

(https://www.atomicheritage.org/sites/default/files/nagasaki-2%20before%20and%20after.jpg)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on March 25, 2022, 01:02:01 PM
So because billions of people haven't physically witnessed a nuclear explosion, it's fake.  Another great logical fallacy by the Mental Midget Anders.
My recommendation 2022 is to test the nuke first to ensure it functions.

We got your request covered:

(https://www.atomicheritage.org/sites/default/files/nagasaki-2%20before%20and%20after.jpg)

Hm, Hiroshima was just napalm carpet bombed 1945.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on March 25, 2022, 01:28:19 PM
So because billions of people haven't physically witnessed a nuclear explosion, it's fake.  Another great logical fallacy by the Mental Midget Anders.
My recommendation 2022 is to test the nuke first to ensure it functions.

We got your request covered:

(https://www.atomicheritage.org/sites/default/files/nagasaki-2%20before%20and%20after.jpg)

Hm, Hiroshima was just napalm carpet bombed 1945.

I think I'll go with the 1000's of eyewitnesses and not a lone conspiracy theorist.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on March 25, 2022, 10:51:59 PM
So because billions of people haven't physically witnessed a nuclear explosion, it's fake.  Another great logical fallacy by the Mental Midget Anders.
My recommendation 2022 is to test the nuke first to ensure it functions.

We got your request covered:

(https://www.atomicheritage.org/sites/default/files/nagasaki-2%20before%20and%20after.jpg)

Hm, Hiroshima was just napalm carpet bombed 1945.

And yet no photos or witness statements exist of hundreds of planes attacking the city.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on March 25, 2022, 11:34:36 PM
So because billions of people haven't physically witnessed a nuclear explosion, it's fake.  Another great logical fallacy by the Mental Midget Anders.
My recommendation 2022 is to test the nuke first to ensure it functions.

We got your request covered:

(https://www.atomicheritage.org/sites/default/files/nagasaki-2%20before%20and%20after.jpg)

Hm, Hiroshima was just napalm carpet bombed 1945.

And yet no photos or witness statements exist of hundreds of planes attacking the city.
All that info was conveniently censored at the time and replaced by a few witnesses on the ground zero having observed a bright FLASH above after which Hiroshima had suddenly disappeared and they had miraculously survived. It was just propaganda. Just visit the Hiroshima/Nagasaki/Albuquerque nuke museums and laugh about it. Dr Oppenheimer invented the nonsense to hide that his Los Alamos gadget couldn't explode.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on March 26, 2022, 12:15:30 AM
All that info was conveniently censored at the time and replaced by a few witnesses on the ground zero having observed a bright FLASH above after which Hiroshima had suddenly disappeared and they had miraculously survived. It was just propaganda. Just visit the Hiroshima/Nagasaki/Albuquerque nuke museums and laugh about it. Dr Oppenheimer invented the nonsense to hide that his Los Alamos gadget couldn't explode.

I went through your site so you don't have to post the link, yet again. All you keep saying is:

"More fake photos here! False photos and paid, lying 'witnesses' are the only evidence of exploding A-Bombs!"

The thing is, you don't offer any evidence that witnesses were fake and/or paid. You just repeat that same sentence over and over again, 6 times in fact. Like a crazy man yelling on a street corner. Where's the evidence they were fake and/or paid?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on March 26, 2022, 09:52:53 AM
So because billions of people haven't physically witnessed a nuclear explosion, it's fake.  Another great logical fallacy by the Mental Midget Anders.
My recommendation 2022 is to test the nuke first to ensure it functions.

We got your request covered:

(https://www.atomicheritage.org/sites/default/files/nagasaki-2%20before%20and%20after.jpg)

Hm, Hiroshima was just napalm carpet bombed 1945.

And yet no photos or witness statements exist of hundreds of planes attacking the city.
All that info was conveniently censored at the time and replaced by a few witnesses on the ground zero having observed a bright FLASH above after which Hiroshima had suddenly disappeared and they had miraculously survived. It was just propaganda. Just visit the Hiroshima/Nagasaki/Albuquerque nuke museums and laugh about it. Dr Oppenheimer invented the nonsense to hide that his Los Alamos gadget couldn't explode.

There were hundreds of thousands of survivors, many who are still alive, where they all in the conspiracy?
The idea that all of them were somehow made to keep quiet is utterly ludicrous.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on March 26, 2022, 12:45:18 PM
So because billions of people haven't physically witnessed a nuclear explosion, it's fake.  Another great logical fallacy by the Mental Midget Anders.
My recommendation 2022 is to test the nuke first to ensure it functions.

We got your request covered:

(https://www.atomicheritage.org/sites/default/files/nagasaki-2%20before%20and%20after.jpg)

Hm, Hiroshima was just napalm carpet bombed 1945.

And yet no photos or witness statements exist of hundreds of planes attacking the city.
All that info was conveniently censored at the time and replaced by a few witnesses on the ground zero having observed a bright FLASH above after which Hiroshima had suddenly disappeared and they had miraculously survived. It was just propaganda. Just visit the Hiroshima/Nagasaki/Albuquerque nuke museums and laugh about it. Dr Oppenheimer invented the nonsense to hide that his Los Alamos gadget couldn't explode.

There were hundreds of thousands of survivors, many who are still alive, where they all in the conspiracy?
The idea that all of them were somehow made to keep quiet is utterly ludicrous.
Well, it is your opinion. I just suggest no atomic bombs ever exploded 1945.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on March 26, 2022, 01:42:11 PM
Well, it is your opinion. I just suggest no atomic bombs ever exploded 1945.

It's not an opinion. It's a fact. Just check out the 'Radiation Effects Research Foundation' (RERF):

RERF (https://www.rerf.or.jp/en/programs/general_research_e/) is a US-Japan cooperative research institute that investigates the health effects of atomic bomb radiation for peaceful purposes.
With cooperation from Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bomb survivors, RERF continues to study, for peaceful purposes, the health effects of A-bomb radiation.


(https://i.imgur.com/LNLCGVI.png)

Last time I checked Napalm wasn't radioactive. And yeah, I'll go with the research of over 100,000 people exposed to an atomic bomb blast than that of the opinion of a lone conspiracy theorist any day of the week.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on March 27, 2022, 01:46:32 AM
Well, it is your opinion. I just suggest no atomic bombs ever exploded 1945.

That seems pretty specific. Are you suggesting atomic bombs exploded in other years though? They have estimated over 2000 such atomic bomb tests have occurred after 1945

Anyway, lets hope old man Vlad doesn't take up your challenge. I hear he's in dire need for some money and he might be dumb enough to believe you have a million euros waiting for the guy who can prove such bombs exist
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Bullwinkle on March 27, 2022, 02:11:02 AM
This is fucking spectacular . . .

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on March 27, 2022, 02:34:14 AM
So because billions of people haven't physically witnessed a nuclear explosion, it's fake.  Another great logical fallacy by the Mental Midget Anders.
My recommendation 2022 is to test the nuke first to ensure it functions.

We got your request covered:

(https://www.atomicheritage.org/sites/default/files/nagasaki-2%20before%20and%20after.jpg)

Hm, Hiroshima was just napalm carpet bombed 1945.

And yet no photos or witness statements exist of hundreds of planes attacking the city.
All that info was conveniently censored at the time and replaced by a few witnesses on the ground zero having observed a bright FLASH above after which Hiroshima had suddenly disappeared and they had miraculously survived. It was just propaganda. Just visit the Hiroshima/Nagasaki/Albuquerque nuke museums and laugh about it. Dr Oppenheimer invented the nonsense to hide that his Los Alamos gadget couldn't explode.

There were hundreds of thousands of survivors, many who are still alive, where they all in the conspiracy?
The idea that all of them were somehow made to keep quiet is utterly ludicrous.
Well, it is your opinion. I just suggest no atomic bombs ever exploded 1945.

Tell that to the well over 100,000 people still alive today who saw the atomic bombs explode.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on March 27, 2022, 03:18:28 AM
Well, it is your opinion. I just suggest no atomic bombs ever exploded 1945.

It's not an opinion. It's a fact. Just check out the 'Radiation Effects Research Foundation' (RERF):

RERF (https://www.rerf.or.jp/en/programs/general_research_e/) is a US-Japan cooperative research institute that investigates the health effects of atomic bomb radiation for peaceful purposes.
With cooperation from Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bomb survivors, RERF continues to study, for peaceful purposes, the health effects of A-bomb radiation.


(https://i.imgur.com/LNLCGVI.png)

Last time I checked Napalm wasn't radioactive. And yeah, I'll go with the research of over 100,000 people exposed to an atomic bomb blast than that of the opinion of a lone conspiracy theorist any day of the week.
'Radiation Effects Research Foundation' (RERF) is just propaganda.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on March 27, 2022, 03:38:44 AM
'Radiation Effects Research Foundation' (RERF) is just propaganda.

I give this an F for lack of effort.  Only a single sentence, no mention of your website and not even an incoherent tangent about an unrelated subject?

This is way under your standards, you can do better.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on March 27, 2022, 04:28:37 AM
Heiwa you should do a YouTube video to go viral to put everyones mind (especially Ukrainians) at ease about this nuclear bomb propaganda/hoax

Even if it's a text only thing or using one of those Dr. Sbaitso voice overs with some ominous music in the background. I guarantee the vid will see more hits than your crappy website ever will. And you can use the comment section to answer peoples questions!

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on March 27, 2022, 05:30:05 AM
'Radiation Effects Research Foundation' (RERF) is just propaganda.

I give this an F for lack of effort.  Only a single sentence, no mention of your website and not even an incoherent tangent about an unrelated subject?

This is way under your standards, you can do better.
Nobody is perfect. I was watching 1000's of reports from Ukraine and one with Biden in Poland but now Biden is back in DC so I can concentrate.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on March 27, 2022, 05:34:40 AM
Heiwa you should do a YouTube video to go viral to put everyones mind (especially Ukrainians) at ease about this nuclear bomb propaganda/hoax

Even if it's a text only thing or using one of those Dr. Sbaitso voice overs with some ominous music in the background. I guarantee the vid will see more hits than your crappy website ever will. And you can use the comment section to answer peoples questions!
I just communicate by writing. My atomic bomb writing is >20 years old and nobody has shown I am wrong. Nuclear weapons cannot explode. But now Biden is on 10 different TV channels saying I am wrong ... What can I do about that????
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Calen on March 27, 2022, 05:44:23 AM
I just communicate by writing. My atomic bomb writing is >20 years old and nobody has shown I am wrong. Nuclear weapons cannot explode. But now Biden is on 10 different TV channels saying I am wrong ... What can I do about that????

Try updating your site beyond 1999, and maybe the few visitors who stumble across your site may actually stop laughing long enough to prove you wrong.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on March 27, 2022, 08:24:58 AM
Heiwa you should do a YouTube video to go viral to put everyones mind (especially Ukrainians) at ease about this nuclear bomb propaganda/hoax

Even if it's a text only thing or using one of those Dr. Sbaitso voice overs with some ominous music in the background. I guarantee the vid will see more hits than your crappy website ever will. And you can use the comment section to answer peoples questions!
I just communicate by writing. My atomic bomb writing is >20 years old and nobody has shown I am wrong. Nuclear weapons cannot explode. But now Biden is on 10 different TV channels saying I am wrong ... What can I do about that????
You could start by opening yourself to the possibility that might be wrong about nuclear weapons, and so many other things.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on March 27, 2022, 10:51:41 AM
Heiwa you should do a YouTube video to go viral to put everyones mind (especially Ukrainians) at ease about this nuclear bomb propaganda/hoax

Even if it's a text only thing or using one of those Dr. Sbaitso voice overs with some ominous music in the background. I guarantee the vid will see more hits than your crappy website ever will. And you can use the comment section to answer peoples questions!
I just communicate by writing. My atomic bomb writing is >20 years old and nobody has shown I am wrong. Nuclear weapons cannot explode. But now Biden is on 10 different TV channels saying I am wrong ... What can I do about that????
You could start by opening yourself to the possibility that might be wrong about nuclear weapons, and so many other things.
Yes, designing nuclear bombs to wipe out the world was fantastic 1943 to avoid military service. I am never wrong.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on March 27, 2022, 11:57:19 AM
I am never wrong.

Well your taste in coffee could do with improvement. What brand of instant coffee are you drinking these days?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Bullwinkle on March 27, 2022, 01:31:04 PM

I just communicate by writing.
   


As your gastrointestinal fortitude forces you to endure.

Basically you're a fart.



Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: frenat on March 27, 2022, 03:41:41 PM
Tell that to the well over 100,000 people still alive today who saw the atomic bombs explode.
Heiwa doesn't do witnesses. Too much work. Same reason he doesn't care about the thousands that viewed nuclear explosions from Vegas before they moved the testing underground.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on March 27, 2022, 09:46:05 PM
Leave it to Vegas to make it a tourist attraction:

Atomic Tests Were a Tourist Draw in 1950s Las Vegas (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-08-08/atomic-tests-were-a-tourist-draw-in-1950s-las-vegas)
For four decades, the U.S. Department of Energy tested more than a thousand nuclear devices at the Nevada Test Site, a desert expanse just 65 miles northwest of Las Vegas. The 1951 detonation of a warhead 1,060 feet over the desert floor marked the beginning of the above-ground trials, whose famous mushroom clouds were easily visible from the nearby tourist magnet.

(https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iUbCN_vfwMxs/v0/-1x-1.jpg)
(https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/idkL.vpP47hw/v0/-1x-1.jpg)
(https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iQYnGLUt8M3Q/v0/-1x-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on March 28, 2022, 12:20:32 AM
Leave it to Vegas to make it a tourist attraction:

Atomic Tests Were a Tourist Draw in 1950s Las Vegas (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-08-08/atomic-tests-were-a-tourist-draw-in-1950s-las-vegas)
For four decades, the U.S. Department of Energy tested more than a thousand nuclear devices at the Nevada Test Site, a desert expanse just 65 miles northwest of Las Vegas. The 1951 detonation of a warhead 1,060 feet over the desert floor marked the beginning of the above-ground trials, whose famous mushroom clouds were easily visible from the nearby tourist magnet.

(https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iUbCN_vfwMxs/v0/-1x-1.jpg)
(https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/idkL.vpP47hw/v0/-1x-1.jpg)
(https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iQYnGLUt8M3Q/v0/-1x-1.jpg)

An according to https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/ even a 3.5kt produces a mushroom cloud over 4km in height.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on March 28, 2022, 12:31:37 AM
From one of the best YouTube channels EVER

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on March 28, 2022, 05:32:40 AM

I just communicate by writing.
   


As your gastrointestinal fortitude forces you to endure.

Basically you're a fart.
I just had a filet beef + sallad for lunch + the usual bottle of Bordeaux wine after my usual tennis. No fart.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on March 29, 2022, 12:39:08 AM
So we have the hundreds of thousands of Japanese who witnessed Hiroshima and Nagasaki,
and we have all those who witnessed the nucler tests carried out near Las vegas.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on March 29, 2022, 02:35:47 AM
So we have the hundreds of thousands of Japanese who witnessed Hiroshima and Nagasaki,
and we have all those who witnessed the nuclear tests carried out near Las vegas.
No, at Hiroshima and Nagasaki early August 1945 a few lucky survivors witnessed and testified about one plane dropping one bomb followed by a sudden FLASH in the sky after which the towns + inhabitants below caught fire and disappeared in a mushroom smoke cloud, except the few lucky ones that survived and could tell MSM. Japanese friends of mine instead saw US bomber planes dropping plenty napalm bombs. Another Danish friend of my grandfather, NB, who had built the bombs at Los Alamos, NM, while taking skiing lessons, couldn't explain how they ignited as it was military secret. NB was not popular then. Dropping atomic bombs on innocent civilians were considered criminal mass murders by sensible people.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on March 29, 2022, 02:40:25 AM
So we have the hundreds of thousands of Japanese who witnessed Hiroshima and Nagasaki,
and we have all those who witnessed the nuclear tests carried out near Las vegas.
Dropping atomic bombs on innocent civilians were considered criminal mass murders by sensible people.

No kidding. And sensible people are also aware of their existence and use. Non sensible morons think they are nothing more than a propaganda/hoax just to scare people

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 29, 2022, 03:59:46 AM
You guys arguing with Heiwa?  ::)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on March 29, 2022, 04:17:38 AM
You guys arguing with Heiwa?  ::)

C'mon, we gotta give the old man something to do in his twilight years.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on March 29, 2022, 05:44:54 AM
So we have the hundreds of thousands of Japanese who witnessed Hiroshima and Nagasaki,
and we have all those who witnessed the nuclear tests carried out near Las vegas.
Dropping atomic bombs on innocent civilians were considered criminal mass murders by sensible people.

No kidding. And sensible people are also aware of their existence and use. Non sensible morons think they are nothing more than a propaganda/hoax just to scare people

Yes, I know it was considered fantastic in the 1940's to secretly develop nuclear weapons of mass destruction to mass murder innocent people  and actually do it, but I was only born 1946 and heard about it afterwards. I couldn't believe it. And then I checked it up and found it was just bullshit US propaganda. It seems you believe the nonsense today. Try  to grow up!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on March 29, 2022, 06:01:09 AM
So we have the hundreds of thousands of Japanese who witnessed Hiroshima and Nagasaki,
and we have all those who witnessed the nuclear tests carried out near Las vegas.
Dropping atomic bombs on innocent civilians were considered criminal mass murders by sensible people.

No kidding. And sensible people are also aware of their existence and use. Non sensible morons think they are nothing more than a propaganda/hoax just to scare people

Yes, I know it was considered fantastic in the 1940's to secretly develop nuclear weapons of mass destruction to mass murder innocent people  and actually do it, but I was only born 1946 and heard about it afterwards. I couldn't believe it. And then I checked it up and found it was just bullshit US propaganda. It seems you believe the nonsense today. Try  to grow up!

Try to live in reality.  Nuclear weapons are a reality.  The fact that you refuse to accept doesn't make it any less real.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on March 29, 2022, 09:18:02 AM
So we have the hundreds of thousands of Japanese who witnessed Hiroshima and Nagasaki,
and we have all those who witnessed the nuclear tests carried out near Las vegas.
Dropping atomic bombs on innocent civilians were considered criminal mass murders by sensible people.

No kidding. And sensible people are also aware of their existence and use. Non sensible morons think they are nothing more than a propaganda/hoax just to scare people

Yes, I know it was considered fantastic in the 1940's to secretly develop nuclear weapons of mass destruction to mass murder innocent people  and actually do it, but I was only born 1946 and heard about it afterwards. I couldn't believe it. And then I checked it up and found it was just bullshit US propaganda. It seems you believe the nonsense today. Try  to grow up!

Try to live in reality.  Nuclear weapons are a reality.  The fact that you refuse to accept doesn't make it any less real.
Come on! Nuclear weapons are just nonsense to scare people. There is no way to ignite them. So they are not real!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on March 30, 2022, 09:20:31 PM
I take it Heiwa you consider Vladimir Putins threat of a nuclear weapon response in the Ukraine conflict is completely empty?
Yes! Putin spent plenty time at Dresden, East Germany 1985/9 supervising uranium mining in the nearby mountains for the USSR nuclear bomb. It was a Stalin propaganda stunt. No atomic bombs were built and no uranium produced. http://heiwaco.com/ddr.htm#JFK . Have you ever been to Dresden? It was napalm bombed February 1945. Like Hiroshima and Nagasaki August 1945.

There were hundreds of thousands who witnessed the atomic bombs, many who are still alive today. Do you really think that they are ALL lying.
Yes, but they are few.
AND I AM ONE OF THEM!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Bullwinkle on March 30, 2022, 09:40:24 PM
there's been like 11 nuke tests.  How many more do you need?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on March 31, 2022, 03:16:56 AM
So we have the hundreds of thousands of Japanese who witnessed Hiroshima and Nagasaki,
and we have all those who witnessed the nuclear tests carried out near Las vegas.
No, at Hiroshima and Nagasaki early August 1945 a few lucky survivors witnessed and testified about one plane dropping one bomb followed by a sudden FLASH in the sky after which the towns + inhabitants below caught fire and disappeared in a mushroom smoke cloud, except the few lucky ones that survived and could tell MSM. Japanese friends of mine instead saw US bomber planes dropping plenty napalm bombs. Another Danish friend of my grandfather, NB, who had built the bombs at Los Alamos, NM, while taking skiing lessons, couldn't explain how they ignited as it was military secret. NB was not popular then. Dropping atomic bombs on innocent civilians were considered criminal mass murders by sensible people.
"few lucky survivors ", Actually hundreds of thousands of them, over one hundred thousand of which are still alive today.
And your freinds presumebrly were in the many other cities which recived convetional bombardment.

The mechanism of how a nuclear bomb works is no longer a secret.

The dropping of the amtoic bomb was simply the option which would have resulted in the least number of deaths.
The japanese government were training schoolchildren in how to use bamboo spears, that's how anti-surrender they were.

There's also all the people in las vegas who witnessed nuclear tests happening, photos of which have been presented in thie very thread.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on March 31, 2022, 03:47:18 AM
there's been like 11 nuke tests.  How many more do you need?

Don't just make up numbers.

The real count is eleventeen.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 01, 2022, 09:54:37 PM

The mechanism of how a nuclear bomb works is no longer a secret.


Please remind me how you ignite a nuclear bomb at the right time and location.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 01, 2022, 10:30:06 PM

The mechanism of how a nuclear bomb works is no longer a secret.


Please remind me how you ignite a nuclear bomb at the right time and location.

1. a. You take two subcritical masses and slam them together. (gun type)
b. You take a spherical near critical mass and compress it with explosives. (implosion type.)
2. You fire a large number of neutrons at the mass.
3. The Neturons case some atoms to fission, which releases more neutrons, which causes more atoms to fission which...
4. Nuclear explosion!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 02, 2022, 01:18:56 AM

The mechanism of how a nuclear bomb works is no longer a secret.


Please remind me how you ignite a nuclear bomb at the right time and location.

1. a. You take two subcritical masses and slam them together. (gun type)
b. You take a spherical near critical mass and compress it with explosives. (implosion type.)
2. You fire a large number of neutrons at the mass.
3. The Neturons case some atoms to fission, which releases more neutrons, which causes more atoms to fission which...
4. Nuclear explosion!
No, nuclear fission is only possible under controlled, moderated conditions, which take plenty time in. e.g. a nuclear power plant, producing heat used to produce steam, etc. Where have you learnt that fission is explosive?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Calen on April 02, 2022, 01:39:01 AM

The mechanism of how a nuclear bomb works is no longer a secret.


Please remind me how you ignite a nuclear bomb at the right time and location.

1. a. You take two subcritical masses and slam them together. (gun type)
b. You take a spherical near critical mass and compress it with explosives. (implosion type.)
2. You fire a large number of neutrons at the mass.
3. The Neturons case some atoms to fission, which releases more neutrons, which causes more atoms to fission which...
4. Nuclear explosion!
No, nuclear fission is only possible under controlled, moderated conditions, which take plenty time in. e.g. a nuclear power plant, producing heat used to produce steam, etc. Where have you learnt that fission is explosive?

Fission occurs spontaneously in nature. 
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 02, 2022, 02:04:29 AM

The mechanism of how a nuclear bomb works is no longer a secret.


Please remind me how you ignite a nuclear bomb at the right time and location.

1. a. You take two subcritical masses and slam them together. (gun type)
b. You take a spherical near critical mass and compress it with explosives. (implosion type.)
2. You fire a large number of neutrons at the mass.
3. The Neturons case some atoms to fission, which releases more neutrons, which causes more atoms to fission which...
4. Nuclear explosion!
No, nuclear fission is only possible under controlled, moderated conditions, which take plenty time in. e.g. a nuclear power plant, producing heat used to produce steam, etc. Where have you learnt that fission is explosive?

Fission occurs spontaneously in nature.
Yes, and nature doesn't explode. Many atoms get old and split into other atoms that are created. No explosions.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 02, 2022, 10:37:07 AM

The mechanism of how a nuclear bomb works is no longer a secret.


Please remind me how you ignite a nuclear bomb at the right time and location.

1. a. You take two subcritical masses and slam them together. (gun type)
b. You take a spherical near critical mass and compress it with explosives. (implosion type.)
2. You fire a large number of neutrons at the mass.
3. The Neturons case some atoms to fission, which releases more neutrons, which causes more atoms to fission which...
4. Nuclear explosion!
No, nuclear fission is only possible under controlled, moderated conditions, which take plenty time in. e.g. a nuclear power plant, producing heat used to produce steam, etc. Where have you learnt that fission is explosive?

Fission occurs spontaneously in nature.
Yes, and nature doesn't explode. Many atoms get old and split into other atoms that are created. No explosions.

"...nuclear fission is only possible under controlled, moderated conditions", obviously an incorrect statement. It's nice to see you admit when you are wrong. A step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 02, 2022, 09:33:31 PM

The mechanism of how a nuclear bomb works is no longer a secret.


Please remind me how you ignite a nuclear bomb at the right time and location.

1. a. You take two subcritical masses and slam them together. (gun type)
b. You take a spherical near critical mass and compress it with explosives. (implosion type.)
2. You fire a large number of neutrons at the mass.
3. The Neturons case some atoms to fission, which releases more neutrons, which causes more atoms to fission which...
4. Nuclear explosion!
No, nuclear fission is only possible under controlled, moderated conditions, which take plenty time in. e.g. a nuclear power plant, producing heat used to produce steam, etc. Where have you learnt that fission is explosive?

And what makes you so certain of that, what makes you so sure that a nuclear explosion is impossible?

Exactly what stops the described method from working and make sit impossible.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 02, 2022, 11:23:49 PM

The mechanism of how a nuclear bomb works is no longer a secret.


Please remind me how you ignite a nuclear bomb at the right time and location.

1. a. You take two subcritical masses and slam them together. (gun type)
b. You take a spherical near critical mass and compress it with explosives. (implosion type.)
2. You fire a large number of neutrons at the mass.
3. The Neturons case some atoms to fission, which releases more neutrons, which causes more atoms to fission which...
4. Nuclear explosion!
No, nuclear fission is only possible under controlled, moderated conditions, which take plenty time in. e.g. a nuclear power plant, producing heat used to produce steam, etc. Where have you learnt that fission is explosive?

And what makes you so certain of that, what makes you so sure that a nuclear explosion is impossible?

Exactly what stops the described method from working and make sit impossible.
I have studied fission a little. Yes, an atom nucleus can fall apart and become other atoms and energy = fission. But a "critical mass" of such atoms cannot explode after being "mechanically compressed to double density", as suggested. I know some clowns at Los Alamos invented the fairy tale 1945 based on local Indian gossip. Loss Alamoss! Most of the clowns were hiding there to avoid military service and getting killed in action. I have on the other hand made military service and seen plenty action. But not compressing metal to double density. Not possible.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Calen on April 02, 2022, 11:44:59 PM
I have studied fission a little. Yes, an atom nucleus can fall apart and become other atoms and energy = fission. But a "critical mass" of such atoms cannot explode after being "mechanically compressed to double density", as suggested. I know some clowns at Los Alamos invented the fairy tale 1945 based on local Indian gossip. Loss Alamoss! Most of the clowns were hiding there to avoid military service and getting killed in action. I have on the other hand made military service and seen plenty action. But not compressing metal to double density. Not possible.

You have not studied fission, even a little bit, if your argument against it is "mechanical compression to double density."  That is not how fission occurs.

Again, you argue from pure fabrication.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 03, 2022, 01:47:32 AM
I have studied fission a little. Yes, an atom nucleus can fall apart and become other atoms and energy = fission. But a "critical mass" of such atoms cannot explode after being "mechanically compressed to double density", as suggested. I know some clowns at Los Alamos invented the fairy tale 1945 based on local Indian gossip. Loss Alamoss! Most of the clowns were hiding there to avoid military service and getting killed in action. I have on the other hand made military service and seen plenty action. But not compressing metal to double density. Not possible.

You have not studied fission, even a little bit, if your argument against it is "mechanical compression to double density."  That is not how fission occurs.

Again, you argue from pure fabrication.
Of course I have studied fission but  1923 Nobel Prize winner physics Manne Siegbahn 1964 told me to avoid further studies of it, so I followed his advice. Re explosive fission the great magician at Loss Alamoss Oppie the Great explained 1945 that the secret to start it was compressing uranium metal to double density and ... BOUM!
You are right -  That is not how fission occurs.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 03, 2022, 03:40:22 AM

The mechanism of how a nuclear bomb works is no longer a secret.


Please remind me how you ignite a nuclear bomb at the right time and location.

1. a. You take two subcritical masses and slam them together. (gun type)
b. You take a spherical near critical mass and compress it with explosives. (implosion type.)
2. You fire a large number of neutrons at the mass.
3. The Neturons case some atoms to fission, which releases more neutrons, which causes more atoms to fission which...
4. Nuclear explosion!
No, nuclear fission is only possible under controlled, moderated conditions, which take plenty time in. e.g. a nuclear power plant, producing heat used to produce steam, etc. Where have you learnt that fission is explosive?

And what makes you so certain of that, what makes you so sure that a nuclear explosion is impossible?

Exactly what stops the described method from working and make sit impossible.
I have studied fission a little. Yes, an atom nucleus can fall apart and become other atoms and energy = fission. But a "critical mass" of such atoms cannot explode after being "mechanically compressed to double density", as suggested. I know some clowns at Los Alamos invented the fairy tale 1945 based on local Indian gossip. Loss Alamoss! Most of the clowns were hiding there to avoid military service and getting killed in action. I have on the other hand made military service and seen plenty action. But not compressing metal to double density. Not possible.
First, compression happens due to conventional explosives.
And second, exactly why do you consider said method to be impossible.
Third, What's your objection to a gun type nuclear bomb?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Calen on April 03, 2022, 03:53:32 AM
Of course I have studied fission but  1923 Nobel Prize winner physics Manne Siegbahn 1964 told me to avoid further studies of it, so I followed his advice. Re explosive fission the great magician at Loss Alamoss Oppie the Great explained 1945 that the secret to start it was compressing uranium metal to double density and ... BOUM!
You are right -  That is not how fission occurs.

No, it isn't.

Fission does not occur due to compression. The compression is necessary to have enough fissile mass in a small enough volume to attain critical mass and a runaway reaction.

Without compression fission still occurs.


Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 03, 2022, 04:07:20 AM
Of course I have studied fission but  1923 Nobel Prize winner physics Manne Siegbahn 1964 told me to avoid further studies of it, so I followed his advice. Re explosive fission the great magician at Loss Alamoss Oppie the Great explained 1945 that the secret to start it was compressing uranium metal to double density and ... BOUM!
You are right -  That is not how fission occurs.

No, it isn't.

Fission does not occur due to compression. The compression is necessary to have enough fissile mass in a small enough volume to attain critical mass and a runaway reaction.

Without compression fission still occurs.
?? Of course fission occurs when atoms split. Easy to verify in a laboratory.
But explosive, nuclear weapons fission, topic, is just propaganda nonsense.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on April 03, 2022, 07:00:46 AM
I have studied fission a little.
Maybe you should study fission a little more.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 03, 2022, 08:42:22 AM
Of course I have studied fission but  1923 Nobel Prize winner physics Manne Siegbahn 1964 told me to avoid further studies of it, so I followed his advice. Re explosive fission the great magician at Loss Alamoss Oppie the Great explained 1945 that the secret to start it was compressing uranium metal to double density and ... BOUM!
You are right -  That is not how fission occurs.

No, it isn't.

Fission does not occur due to compression. The compression is necessary to have enough fissile mass in a small enough volume to attain critical mass and a runaway reaction.

Without compression fission still occurs.
?? Of course fission occurs when atoms split. Easy to verify in a laboratory.
But explosive, nuclear weapons fission, topic, is just propaganda nonsense.

Explain the reason why you believe nuclear bombs to be impossible despite the fact that there were.
1. Hundreds of thousands of survivors of Hiroshim and Nagasaki.
2. A whole bunch of nuclear test near enough to las Vegas to be seen.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 03, 2022, 09:15:49 AM
Of course I have studied fission but  1923 Nobel Prize winner physics Manne Siegbahn 1964 told me to avoid further studies of it, so I followed his advice. Re explosive fission the great magician at Loss Alamoss Oppie the Great explained 1945 that the secret to start it was compressing uranium metal to double density and ... BOUM!
You are right -  That is not how fission occurs.

No, it isn't.

Fission does not occur due to compression. The compression is necessary to have enough fissile mass in a small enough volume to attain critical mass and a runaway reaction.

Without compression fission still occurs.
?? Of course fission occurs when atoms split. Easy to verify in a laboratory.
But explosive, nuclear weapons fission, topic, is just propaganda nonsense.

Explain the reason why you believe nuclear bombs to be impossible despite the fact that there were.
1. Hundreds of thousands of survivors of Hiroshim and Nagasaki.
2. A whole bunch of nuclear test near enough to las Vegas to be seen.
I happened 1964 to discuss the matter with Manne Siegbahn. He was Nobel Prize winner physics 1923. Manne asked me about my plans for the future. He was a friend of the family.

1945 Siegbahn was secretly asked by the Swedish government to design a Swedish nuclear bomb and Manne agreed. Only one condition. No secrets. All info should be public. Manne knew that the US nuclear bomb didn't work. It was all propaganda and bullshit. The Swedish government didn't like Manne's answer. The Rockefeller foundation gave Manne $1M to shut up, etc, etc.

Manne told me to avoid secret, government, military nuclear weapons design and development as a job. Who wants to build a bomb to destroy the world, anyway?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 03, 2022, 10:16:30 AM
Of course I have studied fission but  1923 Nobel Prize winner physics Manne Siegbahn 1964 told me to avoid further studies of it, so I followed his advice. Re explosive fission the great magician at Loss Alamoss Oppie the Great explained 1945 that the secret to start it was compressing uranium metal to double density and ... BOUM!
You are right -  That is not how fission occurs.

No, it isn't.

Fission does not occur due to compression. The compression is necessary to have enough fissile mass in a small enough volume to attain critical mass and a runaway reaction.

Without compression fission still occurs.
?? Of course fission occurs when atoms split. Easy to verify in a laboratory.
But explosive, nuclear weapons fission, topic, is just propaganda nonsense.

Explain the reason why you believe nuclear bombs to be impossible despite the fact that there were.
1. Hundreds of thousands of survivors of Hiroshim and Nagasaki.
2. A whole bunch of nuclear test near enough to las Vegas to be seen.
I happened 1964 to discuss the matter with Manne Siegbahn. He was Nobel Prize winner physics 1923. Manne asked me about my plans for the future. He was a friend of the family.

1945 Siegbahn was secretly asked by the Swedish government to design a Swedish nuclear bomb and Manne agreed. Only one condition. No secrets. All info should be public. Manne knew that the US nuclear bomb didn't work. It was all propaganda and bullshit. The Swedish government didn't like Manne's answer. The Rockefeller foundation gave Manne $1M to shut up, etc, etc.

Manne told me to avoid secret, government, military nuclear weapons design and development as a job. Who wants to build a bomb to destroy the world, anyway?

You are wrong, yet again. It was a political decision to not arm Sweden with nuclear weapons, not a scientific issue:

Swedish nuclear weapons program (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_nuclear_weapons_program)

Through its advisors, including Manne Siegbahn among others, the government realized the link between its ore and nuclear weapons. After American Ambassador Herschel Johnson brought up that question in a conversation with Cabinet Secretary Stig Sahlin on 27 July 1945, the issue was raised at the government meeting on 2 August. On 11 September, Sweden committed itself to establish state control over mining and export of uranium. Sweden rejected the American suggestion of a right to purchase Swedish uranium as well as a right to veto proposed Swedish uranium exports.[3]

The Swedish Plans to Acquire Nuclear Weapons, 1945–1968: An Analysis of the Technical Preparations (https://scienceandglobalsecurity.org/archive/sgs18jonter.pdf)

The 1955 study established that it was technically possible from then on to produce a Swedish nuclear weapon, given access to plutonium. Technically the plutonium challenge had been met. It was equally clear to FOA what steps would have to be taken in a production process and approximately what the project as a whole would cost in the form of capital and scientific and technical expertise.

Following the Geneva Conference of 1955, Sweden was eager to gain access to formerly classified technical information and products previously banned from export in the United States. However, the policy of United States from the beginning was oriented to prevent Sweden from acquiring nuclear weapons. The Americans feared that if a peaceful and democratic country such as Sweden, which moreover enjoyed a stable security political situation, were to acquire nuclear weapons, the risk of further nuclear weapons proliferation in the world would increase substantially. The U.S. officials responsible for nuclear energy matters were strict on having all future cooperation go through the channels that had been decided upon by the AEC. The eagerness of the Swedish researchers and technicians to develop Swedish nuclear energy using highly enriched uranium imported from the United States put Washington in the position of being able to exploit Sweden’s nuclear material related dependency. As Swedish nuclear research and development became more dependent on American assistance and collaboration, the more the United States could use its leverage to steer away Sweden from its nuclear weapons plans.39 For example, in 1956, the United States and Sweden signed an agreement on civilian nuclear energy cooperation. The two parties agreed to exchange information regarding the construction, operation and development of research reactors. The United States pledged to deliver up to 6 kilograms of uranium-235 in uranium enriched to a maximum of 20 percent, with possible further quantities to be delivered if they were deemed necessary by AEC for the continued effective operation of the reactors. The Swedish government committed itself to providing the AEC with information regarding nuclear energy developments in The Swedish Plans to Acquire Nuclear Weapons, 1945–1968 71 Sweden. The agreement forbade Sweden from using equipment and materials to develop nuclear weapons.40 The United States lowered the price of enriched uranium at the end of the 1950s, which reduced the fuel costs for running light water facilities. This enabled private companies in states such as Sweden to start investing in light water technology, since they did not need to spend fortunes on developing methods for enriching or processing uranium themselves. The light water technology was promoted as more economically favorable and reliable than the heavy water system. This action had constraining effects on the government controlled nuclear energy policy in Sweden.


The Key to Nuclear Restraint: The Swedish Plans to Acquire Nuclear Weapons (https://books.google.com/books?id=zaAqDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA37&lpg=PA37&dq=manne+siegbahn+atom+bomb+-site:pinterest.*&source=bl&ots=UcW2mKN6fe&sig=ACfU3U2S5hze41Hnngg146FtJHFI4oUwzg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjv3_fVrvj2AhVeJUQIHeWSCVs4ChDoAXoECA4QAw#v=onepage&q=manne%20siegbahn%20atom%20bomb%20-site%3Apinterest.*&f=false)

Lise Meitner started to work at the Nobel Institute of Physics in Stockholm under the leadership of Professor Manne Siegbahn. Nuclear physics was not a top-priority research field in Sweden before the atomic bombs fell on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In fact, Swedish physicists had not paid much attention to the new field of research, and that is the reason why the work carried out by Meitner did not generate any support at the Nobel Institute of Physics. Another reason for this disinterest in nuclear physics had to do with Manne Siegbahn's dislike of this female foreign scientist, which limited her ability to undertake serious research in nuclear physics. According to some authors, Siegbahn, who won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1924 for his discoveries in the field of X-ray spectroscopy, blocked Meitner's research career in Sweden for two reasons.
First, he distrusted female scientists in general and, second, he feared that Meitner, in particular, who was a brilliant physicist, would outshine him with her ground-breaking research. Some Swedish physicists also later accused Professor Siegbahn of having hindered her from receiving the Nobel Prize in 1945 because of his extraordinarily strong position in the Swedish

scientific community.° After the first atomic bomb was dropped on August 6, 1945, Swedish and international media were searching for experts who could explain what had happened. The day after the announcement of the nuclear explosion, Swedish journalists found out that one of the pioneers in nuclear physics, Lise Meitner, actually lived and worked in Sweden. Scientists involved in the Manhattan project and at the British nuclear weapons research facility at Farm Hall were all restricted by the obligation to preserve secrecy. As soon as the journalists found her at a hotel in the county of Dalarna in Sweden where she was on vacation, they bombarded her with questions. Meitner was a person of great integrity and did not like to be interviewed, especially by, as she saw it, unknowledgeable journalists who wanted to write speculative stories about the atomic bomb. In her diary, she wrote laconically about this experience: 'A lot of nonsense will be printed--nobody I talked to understood anything about it.'


Your Siegbahn sounds like an egomaniacal misogynist.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 03, 2022, 09:04:21 PM
Of course I have studied fission but  1923 Nobel Prize winner physics Manne Siegbahn 1964 told me to avoid further studies of it, so I followed his advice. Re explosive fission the great magician at Loss Alamoss Oppie the Great explained 1945 that the secret to start it was compressing uranium metal to double density and ... BOUM!
You are right -  That is not how fission occurs.

No, it isn't.

Fission does not occur due to compression. The compression is necessary to have enough fissile mass in a small enough volume to attain critical mass and a runaway reaction.

Without compression fission still occurs.
?? Of course fission occurs when atoms split. Easy to verify in a laboratory.
But explosive, nuclear weapons fission, topic, is just propaganda nonsense.

Explain the reason why you believe nuclear bombs to be impossible despite the fact that there were.
1. Hundreds of thousands of survivors of Hiroshim and Nagasaki.
2. A whole bunch of nuclear test near enough to las Vegas to be seen.
I happened 1964 to discuss the matter with Manne Siegbahn. He was Nobel Prize winner physics 1923. Manne asked me about my plans for the future. He was a friend of the family.

1945 Siegbahn was secretly asked by the Swedish government to design a Swedish nuclear bomb and Manne agreed. Only one condition. No secrets. All info should be public. Manne knew that the US nuclear bomb didn't work. It was all propaganda and bullshit. The Swedish government didn't like Manne's answer. The Rockefeller foundation gave Manne $1M to shut up, etc, etc.

Manne told me to avoid secret, government, military nuclear weapons design and development as a job. Who wants to build a bomb to destroy the world, anyway?

So just a bunch of unverified claims of many decade old memories.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 03, 2022, 09:53:21 PM
Of course I have studied fission but  1923 Nobel Prize winner physics Manne Siegbahn 1964 told me to avoid further studies of it, so I followed his advice. Re explosive fission the great magician at Loss Alamoss Oppie the Great explained 1945 that the secret to start it was compressing uranium metal to double density and ... BOUM!
You are right -  That is not how fission occurs.

No, it isn't.

Fission does not occur due to compression. The compression is necessary to have enough fissile mass in a small enough volume to attain critical mass and a runaway reaction.

Without compression fission still occurs.
?? Of course fission occurs when atoms split. Easy to verify in a laboratory.
But explosive, nuclear weapons fission, topic, is just propaganda nonsense.

Explain the reason why you believe nuclear bombs to be impossible despite the fact that there were.
1. Hundreds of thousands of survivors of Hiroshim and Nagasaki.
2. A whole bunch of nuclear test near enough to las Vegas to be seen.
I happened 1964 to discuss the matter with Manne Siegbahn. He was Nobel Prize winner physics 1923. Manne asked me about my plans for the future. He was a friend of the family.

1945 Siegbahn was secretly asked by the Swedish government to design a Swedish nuclear bomb and Manne agreed. Only one condition. No secrets. All info should be public. Manne knew that the US nuclear bomb didn't work. It was all propaganda and bullshit. The Swedish government didn't like Manne's answer. The Rockefeller foundation gave Manne $1M to shut up, etc, etc.

Manne told me to avoid secret, government, military nuclear weapons design and development as a job. Who wants to build a bomb to destroy the world, anyway?

You are wrong, yet again. It was a political decision to not arm Sweden with nuclear weapons, not a scientific issue:

Swedish nuclear weapons program (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_nuclear_weapons_program)

Through its advisors, including Manne Siegbahn among others, the government realized the link between its ore and nuclear weapons. After American Ambassador Herschel Johnson brought up that question in a conversation with Cabinet Secretary Stig Sahlin on 27 July 1945, the issue was raised at the government meeting on 2 August. On 11 September, Sweden committed itself to establish state control over mining and export of uranium. Sweden rejected the American suggestion of a right to purchase Swedish uranium as well as a right to veto proposed Swedish uranium exports.[3]

The Swedish Plans to Acquire Nuclear Weapons, 1945–1968: An Analysis of the Technical Preparations (https://scienceandglobalsecurity.org/archive/sgs18jonter.pdf)

The 1955 study established that it was technically possible from then on to produce a Swedish nuclear weapon, given access to plutonium. Technically the plutonium challenge had been met. It was equally clear to FOA what steps would have to be taken in a production process and approximately what the project as a whole would cost in the form of capital and scientific and technical expertise.

Following the Geneva Conference of 1955, Sweden was eager to gain access to formerly classified technical information and products previously banned from export in the United States. However, the policy of United States from the beginning was oriented to prevent Sweden from acquiring nuclear weapons. The Americans feared that if a peaceful and democratic country such as Sweden, which moreover enjoyed a stable security political situation, were to acquire nuclear weapons, the risk of further nuclear weapons proliferation in the world would increase substantially. The U.S. officials responsible for nuclear energy matters were strict on having all future cooperation go through the channels that had been decided upon by the AEC. The eagerness of the Swedish researchers and technicians to develop Swedish nuclear energy using highly enriched uranium imported from the United States put Washington in the position of being able to exploit Sweden’s nuclear material related dependency. As Swedish nuclear research and development became more dependent on American assistance and collaboration, the more the United States could use its leverage to steer away Sweden from its nuclear weapons plans.39 For example, in 1956, the United States and Sweden signed an agreement on civilian nuclear energy cooperation. The two parties agreed to exchange information regarding the construction, operation and development of research reactors. The United States pledged to deliver up to 6 kilograms of uranium-235 in uranium enriched to a maximum of 20 percent, with possible further quantities to be delivered if they were deemed necessary by AEC for the continued effective operation of the reactors. The Swedish government committed itself to providing the AEC with information regarding nuclear energy developments in The Swedish Plans to Acquire Nuclear Weapons, 1945–1968 71 Sweden. The agreement forbade Sweden from using equipment and materials to develop nuclear weapons.40 The United States lowered the price of enriched uranium at the end of the 1950s, which reduced the fuel costs for running light water facilities. This enabled private companies in states such as Sweden to start investing in light water technology, since they did not need to spend fortunes on developing methods for enriching or processing uranium themselves. The light water technology was promoted as more economically favorable and reliable than the heavy water system. This action had constraining effects on the government controlled nuclear energy policy in Sweden.


The Key to Nuclear Restraint: The Swedish Plans to Acquire Nuclear Weapons (https://books.google.com/books?id=zaAqDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA37&lpg=PA37&dq=manne+siegbahn+atom+bomb+-site:pinterest.*&source=bl&ots=UcW2mKN6fe&sig=ACfU3U2S5hze41Hnngg146FtJHFI4oUwzg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjv3_fVrvj2AhVeJUQIHeWSCVs4ChDoAXoECA4QAw#v=onepage&q=manne%20siegbahn%20atom%20bomb%20-site%3Apinterest.*&f=false)

Lise Meitner started to work at the Nobel Institute of Physics in Stockholm under the leadership of Professor Manne Siegbahn. Nuclear physics was not a top-priority research field in Sweden before the atomic bombs fell on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In fact, Swedish physicists had not paid much attention to the new field of research, and that is the reason why the work carried out by Meitner did not generate any support at the Nobel Institute of Physics. Another reason for this disinterest in nuclear physics had to do with Manne Siegbahn's dislike of this female foreign scientist, which limited her ability to undertake serious research in nuclear physics. According to some authors, Siegbahn, who won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1924 for his discoveries in the field of X-ray spectroscopy, blocked Meitner's research career in Sweden for two reasons.
First, he distrusted female scientists in general and, second, he feared that Meitner, in particular, who was a brilliant physicist, would outshine him with her ground-breaking research. Some Swedish physicists also later accused Professor Siegbahn of having hindered her from receiving the Nobel Prize in 1945 because of his extraordinarily strong position in the Swedish

scientific community.° After the first atomic bomb was dropped on August 6, 1945, Swedish and international media were searching for experts who could explain what had happened. The day after the announcement of the nuclear explosion, Swedish journalists found out that one of the pioneers in nuclear physics, Lise Meitner, actually lived and worked in Sweden. Scientists involved in the Manhattan project and at the British nuclear weapons research facility at Farm Hall were all restricted by the obligation to preserve secrecy. As soon as the journalists found her at a hotel in the county of Dalarna in Sweden where she was on vacation, they bombarded her with questions. Meitner was a person of great integrity and did not like to be interviewed, especially by, as she saw it, unknowledgeable journalists who wanted to write speculative stories about the atomic bomb. In her diary, she wrote laconically about this experience: 'A lot of nonsense will be printed--nobody I talked to understood anything about it.'


Your Siegbahn sounds like an egomaniacal misogynist.
Manne Siegbahn won the Nobel prize physics 1923 for his work to explain what atoms are. He invested the prize money in his own physics laboratory, where he built his own cyclotron and other instruments to study atoms. 1945 he was asked by the Swedish government to build a Swedish atomic bomb and to become head of the Swedish Defense Research Institute, FOA, to be created! Manne agreed but there was one condition! There should be no secrets! All findings of research should be made public after proper peer review. Manne knew that atomic bombs didn't work! All "research" done by Los Alamos by dr. Oppenheimer was fakery! They were all propaganda and Fake News. So Manne didn't get the job that he didn't want or need anyway. His idea was that scientific research should serve peace. He told me 1964, when we discussed the matter. 
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 03, 2022, 11:48:37 PM
That's not at all what the literature says across many sources. I believe the physicists and such who studied and wrote about the Swedish plans for nuclear energy and weapons. It's extremely well documented regarding the efforts made. I'm certainly not going to believe a lone crank conspiracy theorist who claims there were no planes on 9/11 and that a nobel laureate told him in the 60's that atomic bombs don't work. That would be like believing a lunatic.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 04, 2022, 12:05:03 AM
Of course I have studied fission but  1923 Nobel Prize winner physics Manne Siegbahn 1964 told me to avoid further studies of it, so I followed his advice. Re explosive fission the great magician at Loss Alamoss Oppie the Great explained 1945 that the secret to start it was compressing uranium metal to double density and ... BOUM!
You are right -  That is not how fission occurs.

No, it isn't.

Fission does not occur due to compression. The compression is necessary to have enough fissile mass in a small enough volume to attain critical mass and a runaway reaction.

Without compression fission still occurs.
?? Of course fission occurs when atoms split. Easy to verify in a laboratory.
But explosive, nuclear weapons fission, topic, is just propaganda nonsense.

Explain the reason why you believe nuclear bombs to be impossible despite the fact that there were.
1. Hundreds of thousands of survivors of Hiroshim and Nagasaki.
2. A whole bunch of nuclear test near enough to las Vegas to be seen.
I happened 1964 to discuss the matter with Manne Siegbahn. He was Nobel Prize winner physics 1923. Manne asked me about my plans for the future. He was a friend of the family.

1945 Siegbahn was secretly asked by the Swedish government to design a Swedish nuclear bomb and Manne agreed. Only one condition. No secrets. All info should be public. Manne knew that the US nuclear bomb didn't work. It was all propaganda and bullshit. The Swedish government didn't like Manne's answer. The Rockefeller foundation gave Manne $1M to shut up, etc, etc.

Manne told me to avoid secret, government, military nuclear weapons design and development as a job. Who wants to build a bomb to destroy the world, anyway?

You are wrong, yet again. It was a political decision to not arm Sweden with nuclear weapons, not a scientific issue:

Swedish nuclear weapons program (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_nuclear_weapons_program)

Through its advisors, including Manne Siegbahn among others, the government realized the link between its ore and nuclear weapons. After American Ambassador Herschel Johnson brought up that question in a conversation with Cabinet Secretary Stig Sahlin on 27 July 1945, the issue was raised at the government meeting on 2 August. On 11 September, Sweden committed itself to establish state control over mining and export of uranium. Sweden rejected the American suggestion of a right to purchase Swedish uranium as well as a right to veto proposed Swedish uranium exports.[3]

The Swedish Plans to Acquire Nuclear Weapons, 1945–1968: An Analysis of the Technical Preparations (https://scienceandglobalsecurity.org/archive/sgs18jonter.pdf)

The 1955 study established that it was technically possible from then on to produce a Swedish nuclear weapon, given access to plutonium. Technically the plutonium challenge had been met. It was equally clear to FOA what steps would have to be taken in a production process and approximately what the project as a whole would cost in the form of capital and scientific and technical expertise.

Following the Geneva Conference of 1955, Sweden was eager to gain access to formerly classified technical information and products previously banned from export in the United States. However, the policy of United States from the beginning was oriented to prevent Sweden from acquiring nuclear weapons. The Americans feared that if a peaceful and democratic country such as Sweden, which moreover enjoyed a stable security political situation, were to acquire nuclear weapons, the risk of further nuclear weapons proliferation in the world would increase substantially. The U.S. officials responsible for nuclear energy matters were strict on having all future cooperation go through the channels that had been decided upon by the AEC. The eagerness of the Swedish researchers and technicians to develop Swedish nuclear energy using highly enriched uranium imported from the United States put Washington in the position of being able to exploit Sweden’s nuclear material related dependency. As Swedish nuclear research and development became more dependent on American assistance and collaboration, the more the United States could use its leverage to steer away Sweden from its nuclear weapons plans.39 For example, in 1956, the United States and Sweden signed an agreement on civilian nuclear energy cooperation. The two parties agreed to exchange information regarding the construction, operation and development of research reactors. The United States pledged to deliver up to 6 kilograms of uranium-235 in uranium enriched to a maximum of 20 percent, with possible further quantities to be delivered if they were deemed necessary by AEC for the continued effective operation of the reactors. The Swedish government committed itself to providing the AEC with information regarding nuclear energy developments in The Swedish Plans to Acquire Nuclear Weapons, 1945–1968 71 Sweden. The agreement forbade Sweden from using equipment and materials to develop nuclear weapons.40 The United States lowered the price of enriched uranium at the end of the 1950s, which reduced the fuel costs for running light water facilities. This enabled private companies in states such as Sweden to start investing in light water technology, since they did not need to spend fortunes on developing methods for enriching or processing uranium themselves. The light water technology was promoted as more economically favorable and reliable than the heavy water system. This action had constraining effects on the government controlled nuclear energy policy in Sweden.


The Key to Nuclear Restraint: The Swedish Plans to Acquire Nuclear Weapons (https://books.google.com/books?id=zaAqDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA37&lpg=PA37&dq=manne+siegbahn+atom+bomb+-site:pinterest.*&source=bl&ots=UcW2mKN6fe&sig=ACfU3U2S5hze41Hnngg146FtJHFI4oUwzg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjv3_fVrvj2AhVeJUQIHeWSCVs4ChDoAXoECA4QAw#v=onepage&q=manne%20siegbahn%20atom%20bomb%20-site%3Apinterest.*&f=false)

Lise Meitner started to work at the Nobel Institute of Physics in Stockholm under the leadership of Professor Manne Siegbahn. Nuclear physics was not a top-priority research field in Sweden before the atomic bombs fell on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In fact, Swedish physicists had not paid much attention to the new field of research, and that is the reason why the work carried out by Meitner did not generate any support at the Nobel Institute of Physics. Another reason for this disinterest in nuclear physics had to do with Manne Siegbahn's dislike of this female foreign scientist, which limited her ability to undertake serious research in nuclear physics. According to some authors, Siegbahn, who won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1924 for his discoveries in the field of X-ray spectroscopy, blocked Meitner's research career in Sweden for two reasons.
First, he distrusted female scientists in general and, second, he feared that Meitner, in particular, who was a brilliant physicist, would outshine him with her ground-breaking research. Some Swedish physicists also later accused Professor Siegbahn of having hindered her from receiving the Nobel Prize in 1945 because of his extraordinarily strong position in the Swedish

scientific community.° After the first atomic bomb was dropped on August 6, 1945, Swedish and international media were searching for experts who could explain what had happened. The day after the announcement of the nuclear explosion, Swedish journalists found out that one of the pioneers in nuclear physics, Lise Meitner, actually lived and worked in Sweden. Scientists involved in the Manhattan project and at the British nuclear weapons research facility at Farm Hall were all restricted by the obligation to preserve secrecy. As soon as the journalists found her at a hotel in the county of Dalarna in Sweden where she was on vacation, they bombarded her with questions. Meitner was a person of great integrity and did not like to be interviewed, especially by, as she saw it, unknowledgeable journalists who wanted to write speculative stories about the atomic bomb. In her diary, she wrote laconically about this experience: 'A lot of nonsense will be printed--nobody I talked to understood anything about it.'


Your Siegbahn sounds like an egomaniacal misogynist.
Manne Siegbahn won the Nobel prize physics 1923 for his work to explain what atoms are. He invested the prize money in his own physics laboratory, where he built his own cyclotron and other instruments to study atoms. 1945 he was asked by the Swedish government to build a Swedish atomic bomb and to become head of the Swedish Defense Research Institute, FOA, to be created! Manne agreed but there was one condition! There should be no secrets! All findings of research should be made public after proper peer review. Manne knew that atomic bombs didn't work! All "research" done by Los Alamos by dr. Oppenheimer was fakery! They were all propaganda and Fake News. So Manne didn't get the job that he didn't want or need anyway. His idea was that scientific research should serve peace. He told me 1964, when we discussed the matter.

That's almost 60 years ago, are you really that confident of your memories?

Is that the only reason you don't believe that nuclear bombs work?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 04, 2022, 03:00:05 AM

That's almost 60 years ago, are you really that confident of your memories?

Is that the only reason you don't believe that nuclear bombs work?

Yes, I remember my discussion with M. Siegbahn 1964. That's why I studied mechanical engineering, shipbuilding and naval architecture later.
BTW Hiroshima and Nagasaki were important Japanese shipbuilding cities and I can assure you no atomic bombs destroyed the shipyards there 1945. No, the houses of paper and wood in the towns were burnt down by napalm carpet bombings, I have been told by local people I have met.
But the main reason why nuclear bombs do not work is that nuclear fission is not explosive.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on April 04, 2022, 05:32:05 AM

That's almost 60 years ago, are you really that confident of your memories?

Is that the only reason you don't believe that nuclear bombs work?

Yes, I remember my discussion with M. Siegbahn 1964. That's why I studied mechanical engineering, shipbuilding and naval architecture later.
BTW Hiroshima and Nagasaki were important Japanese shipbuilding cities and I can assure you no atomic bombs destroyed the shipyards there 1945. No, the houses of paper and wood in the towns were burnt down by napalm carpet bombings, I have been told by local people I have met.
But the main reason why nuclear bombs do not work is that nuclear fission is not explosive.

That's interesting.  So tell me.  How does Napalm do this?

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Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 04, 2022, 05:36:28 AM

That's almost 60 years ago, are you really that confident of your memories?

Is that the only reason you don't believe that nuclear bombs work?

Yes, I remember my discussion with M. Siegbahn 1964. That's why I studied mechanical engineering, shipbuilding and naval architecture later.
BTW Hiroshima and Nagasaki were important Japanese shipbuilding cities and I can assure you no atomic bombs destroyed the shipyards there 1945. No, the houses of paper and wood in the towns were burnt down by napalm carpet bombings, I have been told by local people I have met.
But the main reason why nuclear bombs do not work is that nuclear fission is not explosive.

Are you really saying that he told you that they were fake?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 04, 2022, 09:57:43 AM

That's almost 60 years ago, are you really that confident of your memories?

Is that the only reason you don't believe that nuclear bombs work?

Yes, I remember my discussion with M. Siegbahn 1964. That's why I studied mechanical engineering, shipbuilding and naval architecture later.
BTW Hiroshima and Nagasaki were important Japanese shipbuilding cities and I can assure you no atomic bombs destroyed the shipyards there 1945. No, the houses of paper and wood in the towns were burnt down by napalm carpet bombings, I have been told by local people I have met.
But the main reason why nuclear bombs do not work is that nuclear fission is not explosive.

That's interesting.  So tell me.  How does Napalm do this?

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2F236x%2F9a%2F49%2F14%2F9a4914782d615a8e39868ccb2ad13749--hiroshima-victims-hiroshima-bombing.jpg%3Fnii%3Dt&f=1&nofb=1)
An atomic bomb, nano seconds FLASH? With the ladder standing???
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: boydster on April 04, 2022, 10:09:37 AM
It's almost as if the electromagnetic radiation got there before the pressure wave. Weird, right?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 04, 2022, 10:17:54 AM

That's almost 60 years ago, are you really that confident of your memories?

Is that the only reason you don't believe that nuclear bombs work?

Yes, I remember my discussion with M. Siegbahn 1964. That's why I studied mechanical engineering, shipbuilding and naval architecture later.
BTW Hiroshima and Nagasaki were important Japanese shipbuilding cities and I can assure you no atomic bombs destroyed the shipyards there 1945. No, the houses of paper and wood in the towns were burnt down by napalm carpet bombings, I have been told by local people I have met.
But the main reason why nuclear bombs do not work is that nuclear fission is not explosive.

Are you really saying that he told you that they were fake?
You mean Manne Siegbahn? He told me 1964 not to study nuclear physics  and atomic bomb design as a professional career. Anything else was better. As Niels Bohr had  stayed with my grandparents 1941/2 before flying off to Los Alamos to build the BOMB, it was clear to us that the nuke was bullshit. But military, top secret bullshit. Not to be discussed in Sweden.
I forgot most about it until 1999 when I met E, that told me her father (!) had assisted Stalin to build the USSR (fake) a-bomb 1946/58 with fake uranium from East Germany. Imagine that! It was easy to establish that East Germany didn't assist Stalin with any uranium at all. It was all PROPAGANDA. The Russian BOMB was ... nothing but ... bullshit. E's parents spent years in prison 1958/63 for it and E herself thought they were dead. You really have to to study my findings about it on the Internet.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Calen on April 04, 2022, 10:55:27 AM
Are you on E?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on April 04, 2022, 12:06:53 PM
Heiwa Translator:

The mental anguish from the USCG declaring his designs utter crap in 1997 was too much for Anders to take and thus fell into a deep depression.  His mental capacity for rational thinking collapsed.  After 2 years of spent up rage, in 1999, Anders began recalling altered parts of his past, merging his dellusions and hatred of the USA into a conspiracy mecca. 
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 04, 2022, 12:08:16 PM

That's almost 60 years ago, are you really that confident of your memories?

Is that the only reason you don't believe that nuclear bombs work?

Yes, I remember my discussion with M. Siegbahn 1964. That's why I studied mechanical engineering, shipbuilding and naval architecture later.
BTW Hiroshima and Nagasaki were important Japanese shipbuilding cities and I can assure you no atomic bombs destroyed the shipyards there 1945. No, the houses of paper and wood in the towns were burnt down by napalm carpet bombings, I have been told by local people I have met.
But the main reason why nuclear bombs do not work is that nuclear fission is not explosive.

Are you really saying that he told you that they were fake?
You mean Manne Siegbahn? He told me 1964 not to study nuclear physics  and atomic bomb design as a professional career. Anything else was better. As Niels Bohr had  stayed with my grandparents 1941/2 before flying off to Los Alamos to build the BOMB, it was clear to us that the nuke was bullshit. But military, top secret bullshit. Not to be discussed in Sweden.
I forgot most about it until 1999 when I met E, that told me her father (!) had assisted Stalin to build the USSR (fake) a-bomb 1946/58 with fake uranium from East Germany. Imagine that! It was easy to establish that East Germany didn't assist Stalin with any uranium at all. It was all PROPAGANDA. The Russian BOMB was ... nothing but ... bullshit. E's parents spent years in prison 1958/63 for it and E herself thought they were dead. You really have to to study my findings about it on the Internet.

December 1938: Discovery of Nuclear Fission

In December 1938, over Christmas vacation, physicists Lise Meitner (She worked for Manne Siegbahn) and Otto Frisch made a startling discovery that would immediately revolutionize nuclear physics and lead to the atomic bomb.

Following Fermi’s work, Meitner and Hahn, along with chemist Fritz Strassmann, also began bombarding uranium and other elements with neutrons and identifying the series of decay products. Hahn carried out the careful chemical analysis; Meitner, the physicist, explained the nuclear processes involved.

Meitner and Frisch sent their paper to Nature in January. Frisch named the new nuclear process "fission" after learning that the term "binary fission" was used by biologists to describe cell division.

Scientists quickly recognized that if the fission reaction also emitted enough secondary neutrons, a chain reaction could potentially occur, releasing enormous amounts of energy. Many scientists joined the efforts to produce an atomic bomb, but Meitner wanted no part of that work, and was later greatly saddened by the fact that her discovery had led to such destructive weapons. She did continue her research on nuclear reactions, and contributed to the construction of Sweden's first nuclear reactor.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 04, 2022, 12:49:30 PM
Are you on E?
E was a woman. Just study my website.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 04, 2022, 12:53:42 PM
Heiwa Translator:

The mental anguish from the USCG declaring his designs utter crap in 1997 was too much for Anders to take and thus fell into a deep depression.  His mental capacity for rational thinking collapsed.  After 2 years of spent up rage, in 1999, Anders began recalling altered parts of his past, merging his dellusions and hatred of the USA into a conspiracy mecca.
ROTFL. You are back about some drunk USCG admiral not liking my design already approved by the United Nations 1997. He only said it could not enter US ports. Any Master of such tanker should be shot.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 04, 2022, 12:58:57 PM

That's almost 60 years ago, are you really that confident of your memories?

Is that the only reason you don't believe that nuclear bombs work?

Yes, I remember my discussion with M. Siegbahn 1964. That's why I studied mechanical engineering, shipbuilding and naval architecture later.
BTW Hiroshima and Nagasaki were important Japanese shipbuilding cities and I can assure you no atomic bombs destroyed the shipyards there 1945. No, the houses of paper and wood in the towns were burnt down by napalm carpet bombings, I have been told by local people I have met.
But the main reason why nuclear bombs do not work is that nuclear fission is not explosive.

Are you really saying that he told you that they were fake?
You mean Manne Siegbahn? He told me 1964 not to study nuclear physics  and atomic bomb design as a professional career. Anything else was better. As Niels Bohr had  stayed with my grandparents 1941/2 before flying off to Los Alamos to build the BOMB, it was clear to us that the nuke was bullshit. But military, top secret bullshit. Not to be discussed in Sweden.
I forgot most about it until 1999 when I met E, that told me her father (!) had assisted Stalin to build the USSR (fake) a-bomb 1946/58 with fake uranium from East Germany. Imagine that! It was easy to establish that East Germany didn't assist Stalin with any uranium at all. It was all PROPAGANDA. The Russian BOMB was ... nothing but ... bullshit. E's parents spent years in prison 1958/63 for it and E herself thought they were dead. You really have to to study my findings about it on the Internet.

December 1938: Discovery of Nuclear Fission

In December 1938, over Christmas vacation, physicists Lise Meitner (She worked for Manne Siegbahn) and Otto Frisch made a startling discovery that would immediately revolutionize nuclear physics and lead to the atomic bomb.

Following Fermi’s work, Meitner and Hahn, along with chemist Fritz Strassmann, also began bombarding uranium and other elements with neutrons and identifying the series of decay products. Hahn carried out the careful chemical analysis; Meitner, the physicist, explained the nuclear processes involved.

Meitner and Frisch sent their paper to Nature in January. Frisch named the new nuclear process "fission" after learning that the term "binary fission" was used by biologists to describe cell division.

Scientists quickly recognized that if the fission reaction also emitted enough secondary neutrons, a chain reaction could potentially occur, releasing enormous amounts of energy. Many scientists joined the efforts to produce an atomic bomb, but Meitner wanted no part of that work, and was later greatly saddened by the fact that her discovery had led to such destructive weapons. She did continue her research on nuclear reactions, and contributed to the construction of Sweden's first nuclear reactor.

I know how fission was discovered by Hahn and Meitner 1938. But their laboratory didn't explode then. Reason is that fission is not explosive. Only some clowns thought otherwise but not Meitner and my friend Siegbahn.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 04, 2022, 01:17:34 PM
That's just stupid. That's like saying a dash of TNT in a petri dish in my lab would blow the place up.
TNT was originally used in dyes and photographic exposure chemicals. Did textile mills blow up all over the place? No. At least try not to be idiot.

Wrong again:

Calculations made by Hahn's former colleague, Lise Meitner (above, with Otto Hahn), a refugee from Nazism then staying in Sweden, and her nephew, Otto Frisch, led to the conclusion that so much energy had been released that a previously undiscovered kind of process was at work.  Frisch, borrowing the term for cell division in biology -- binary fission -- named the process "fission."

It soon became clear that the process of fission discovered by Hahn and Strassmann had another important characteristic besides the immediate release of enormous amounts of energy.  This was the emission of neutrons.  The energy released when fission occurred in uranium caused several neutrons to "boil off" the two main fragments as they flew apart.  Given the right set of circumstances, perhaps these secondary neutrons might collide with other atoms and release more neutrons, in turn smashing into other atoms and, at the same time, continuously emitting energy.  Beginning with a single uranium nucleus, fission could not only produce substantial amounts of energy but could also lead to a reaction creating ever-increasing amounts of energy.  The possibility of such a "chain reaction" (left) completely altered the prospects for releasing the energy stored in the nucleus.  A controlled self-sustaining reaction could make it possible to generate a large amount of energy for heat and power, while an unchecked reaction could create an explosion of huge force.

Again, gonna have to go with actual chemists & physicists and mountains of evidence rather than a lone crank conspiracy theorist.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on April 04, 2022, 02:43:52 PM
You mean Manne Siegbahn? He told me 1964 not to study nuclear physics  and atomic bomb design as a professional career. Anything else was better.
So no mention of nuclear bombs being fake.  Just nuclear physics is too hard for you to understand.  Got it.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 04, 2022, 11:41:58 PM
You mean Manne Siegbahn? He told me 1964 not to study nuclear physics  and atomic bomb design as a professional career. Anything else was better.
So no mention of nuclear bombs being fake.  Just nuclear physics is too hard for you to understand.  Got it.
That nuclear bombs were fake was clear years earlier (when Niels Bohr couldn't explain how to ignite them). No, Manne was running his own (or rather the Swedish Royal Academy of Science, RAS) physics lab but it never made any real discoveries. It was said they created Nobelium in the cyclotron, but who knows, and designed some tools of sorts? I visited the lab many times. It is closed since years and the staff retired. I asked the staff if they believed in explosive fission. They just laughed. The RAS hands out Nobel Prizes to scientists faking anything physical. See also https://www.msi.se/
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Calen on April 05, 2022, 12:38:28 AM
Nuclear weapons do not ignite, they detonate.  Big difference.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 05, 2022, 01:44:03 AM
You mean Manne Siegbahn? He told me 1964 not to study nuclear physics  and atomic bomb design as a professional career. Anything else was better.
So no mention of nuclear bombs being fake.  Just nuclear physics is too hard for you to understand.  Got it.
That nuclear bombs were fake was clear years earlier (when Niels Bohr couldn't explain how to ignite them).

Wrong again:

After the discovery of fission, Bohr was acutely aware of the theoretical possibility of making an atomic bomb. However, as he announced in lectures in Denmark and in Norway just before the German occupation of both countries in April 1940, he considered the practical difficulties so prohibitive as to prevent the realization of a bomb until well after the war could be expected to end. Even when Heisenberg at his visit to Copenhagen in 1941 told Bohr about his role in a German atomic bomb project, Bohr did not waver from that conviction.

In early 1943 Bohr received a secret message from his British colleague James Chadwick, inviting Bohr to join him in England to do important scientific work. Although Chadwick’s letter was vaguely formulated, Bohr understood immediately that the work had to do with developing an atomic bomb. Still convinced of the infeasibility of such a project, Bohr answered that there was greater need for him in occupied Denmark.

In the fall of 1943, the political situation in Denmark changed dramatically after the Danish government’s collaboration with the German occupiers broke down. After being warned about his imminent arrest, Bohr escaped by boat with his family across the narrow sound to Sweden. In Stockholm the invitation to England was repeated, and Bohr was brought by a military airplane to Scotland and then on to London. Only a few days later he was joined by his son Aage, a fledgling physicist of age 21, who would serve as his father’s indispensable sounding board during their absence from Denmark.

Upon being briefed about the state of the Allied atomic bomb project on his arrival in London, Bohr changed his mind immediately about its feasibility. Concerned about a corresponding project being pursued in Germany, Bohr willingly joined the Allied project. Taking part for several weeks at a time in the work in Los Alamos, New Mexico, to develop the atomic bomb, he made significant technical contributions, notably to the design of the so-called initiator for the plutonium bomb. His most-important role, however, was to serve, in J. Robert Oppenheimer’s words, “as a scientific father confessor to the younger men.”

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Niels-Bohr/The-atomic-bomb

BOHR, NIELS; WHEELER, JOHN A.
Resonance in Uranium and Thorium Disintegration and the Phenomenon of Nuclear Fission. WITH: Mechanism of Nuclear Fission. WITH: Fission of Protactinium

"Bohr's American trip of January-May 1939 fueled much of the scientific speculation about a uranium bomb. After first electrifying the Americans with his news of Frisch's hypothesis, Bohr had come up with a theory of his own about the nature of uranium fission. At a breakfast conversation in Princeton on 5 February 1939 it suddenly occurred to Bohr that nearly all the observed fission in uranium was due to a rare isotope, U235, present in natural uranium only in proportion of roughly 1 to 140, virtually the whole of the remainder being composed of U238. In two brilliant papers of February and August 1939, Bohr argued that the plentiful isotope U238 would index fission, but only with fast neutrons of a high energy, most neutrons either being simply captured by the U238 nucleus or rebounding 'inelastically' after a collision, as a result of which they frequently lost energy and so became unable to cause fission in subsequent collisions. The factors of simple capture and collision without fission were dominant enough to render dependence on U238 fission alone an unfeasible source of power. But this did not hold for U235. The latter's nuclei were easily fissioned by slow neutrons (as well as by the even slower thermal neutrons). This insight had the effect of channeling the interest of physicists into the phenomenon of slow-neutron fission in U235, somewhat eclipsing the study of fast neutrons… Shortly after his remarkable insight, Bohr discussed with his Princeton friends the possibility of an atomic bomb, which he clearly understood would have to depend on U235 fission" (Paul Lawrence Rose, Heisenberg and the Nazi Atomic Bomb Project).
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 05, 2022, 02:05:55 AM
You mean Manne Siegbahn? He told me 1964 not to study nuclear physics  and atomic bomb design as a professional career. Anything else was better.
So no mention of nuclear bombs being fake.  Just nuclear physics is too hard for you to understand.  Got it.
That nuclear bombs were fake was clear years earlier (when Niels Bohr couldn't explain how to ignite them).

Wrong again:

After the discovery of fission, Bohr was acutely aware of the theoretical possibility of making an atomic bomb. However, as he announced in lectures in Denmark and in Norway just before the German occupation of both countries in April 1940, he considered the practical difficulties so prohibitive as to prevent the realization of a bomb until well after the war could be expected to end. Even when Heisenberg at his visit to Copenhagen in 1941 told Bohr about his role in a German atomic bomb project, Bohr did not waver from that conviction.

In early 1943 Bohr received a secret message from his British colleague James Chadwick, inviting Bohr to join him in England to do important scientific work. Although Chadwick’s letter was vaguely formulated, Bohr understood immediately that the work had to do with developing an atomic bomb. Still convinced of the infeasibility of such a project, Bohr answered that there was greater need for him in occupied Denmark.

In the fall of 1943, the political situation in Denmark changed dramatically after the Danish government’s collaboration with the German occupiers broke down. After being warned about his imminent arrest, Bohr escaped by boat with his family across the narrow sound to Sweden. In Stockholm the invitation to England was repeated, and Bohr was brought by a military airplane to Scotland and then on to London. Only a few days later he was joined by his son Aage, a fledgling physicist of age 21, who would serve as his father’s indispensable sounding board during their absence from Denmark.

Upon being briefed about the state of the Allied atomic bomb project on his arrival in London, Bohr changed his mind immediately about its feasibility. Concerned about a corresponding project being pursued in Germany, Bohr willingly joined the Allied project. Taking part for several weeks at a time in the work in Los Alamos, New Mexico, to develop the atomic bomb, he made significant technical contributions, notably to the design of the so-called initiator for the plutonium bomb. His most-important role, however, was to serve, in J. Robert Oppenheimer’s words, “as a scientific father confessor to the younger men.”

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Niels-Bohr/The-atomic-bomb

BOHR, NIELS; WHEELER, JOHN A.
Resonance in Uranium and Thorium Disintegration and the Phenomenon of Nuclear Fission. WITH: Mechanism of Nuclear Fission. WITH: Fission of Protactinium

"Bohr's American trip of January-May 1939 fueled much of the scientific speculation about a uranium bomb. After first electrifying the Americans with his news of Frisch's hypothesis, Bohr had come up with a theory of his own about the nature of uranium fission. At a breakfast conversation in Princeton on 5 February 1939 it suddenly occurred to Bohr that nearly all the observed fission in uranium was due to a rare isotope, U235, present in natural uranium only in proportion of roughly 1 to 140, virtually the whole of the remainder being composed of U238. In two brilliant papers of February and August 1939, Bohr argued that the plentiful isotope U238 would index fission, but only with fast neutrons of a high energy, most neutrons either being simply captured by the U238 nucleus or rebounding 'inelastically' after a collision, as a result of which they frequently lost energy and so became unable to cause fission in subsequent collisions. The factors of simple capture and collision without fission were dominant enough to render dependence on U238 fission alone an unfeasible source of power. But this did not hold for U235. The latter's nuclei were easily fissioned by slow neutrons (as well as by the even slower thermal neutrons). This insight had the effect of channeling the interest of physicists into the phenomenon of slow-neutron fission in U235, somewhat eclipsing the study of fast neutrons… Shortly after his remarkable insight, Bohr discussed with his Princeton friends the possibility of an atomic bomb, which he clearly understood would have to depend on U235 fission" (Paul Lawrence Rose, Heisenberg and the Nazi Atomic Bomb Project).
Thanks, I only know that when Bohr returned from USA to pick up his trunk at mother's house 1945, he still not could explain how to ignite or detonate his fantastic bomb. It was a military secret! What an asshole.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 05, 2022, 02:10:49 AM
Yep a military secret. No mystery there. No wonder why he wouldn't talk about it. You know, a military secret, the Manhattan Project and all.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 05, 2022, 02:16:11 AM
Yep a military secret. No mystery there. No wonder why he wouldn't talk about it. You know, a military secret, the Manhattan Project and all.
Yes, I know! Military secrets.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 05, 2022, 08:18:39 AM
You mean Manne Siegbahn? He told me 1964 not to study nuclear physics  and atomic bomb design as a professional career. Anything else was better.
So no mention of nuclear bombs being fake.  Just nuclear physics is too hard for you to understand.  Got it.
That nuclear bombs were fake was clear years earlier (when Niels Bohr couldn't explain how to ignite them).

Wrong again:

After the discovery of fission, Bohr was acutely aware of the theoretical possibility of making an atomic bomb. However, as he announced in lectures in Denmark and in Norway just before the German occupation of both countries in April 1940, he considered the practical difficulties so prohibitive as to prevent the realization of a bomb until well after the war could be expected to end. Even when Heisenberg at his visit to Copenhagen in 1941 told Bohr about his role in a German atomic bomb project, Bohr did not waver from that conviction.

In early 1943 Bohr received a secret message from his British colleague James Chadwick, inviting Bohr to join him in England to do important scientific work. Although Chadwick’s letter was vaguely formulated, Bohr understood immediately that the work had to do with developing an atomic bomb. Still convinced of the infeasibility of such a project, Bohr answered that there was greater need for him in occupied Denmark.

In the fall of 1943, the political situation in Denmark changed dramatically after the Danish government’s collaboration with the German occupiers broke down. After being warned about his imminent arrest, Bohr escaped by boat with his family across the narrow sound to Sweden. In Stockholm the invitation to England was repeated, and Bohr was brought by a military airplane to Scotland and then on to London. Only a few days later he was joined by his son Aage, a fledgling physicist of age 21, who would serve as his father’s indispensable sounding board during their absence from Denmark.

Upon being briefed about the state of the Allied atomic bomb project on his arrival in London, Bohr changed his mind immediately about its feasibility. Concerned about a corresponding project being pursued in Germany, Bohr willingly joined the Allied project. Taking part for several weeks at a time in the work in Los Alamos, New Mexico, to develop the atomic bomb, he made significant technical contributions, notably to the design of the so-called initiator for the plutonium bomb. His most-important role, however, was to serve, in J. Robert Oppenheimer’s words, “as a scientific father confessor to the younger men.”

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Niels-Bohr/The-atomic-bomb

BOHR, NIELS; WHEELER, JOHN A.
Resonance in Uranium and Thorium Disintegration and the Phenomenon of Nuclear Fission. WITH: Mechanism of Nuclear Fission. WITH: Fission of Protactinium

"Bohr's American trip of January-May 1939 fueled much of the scientific speculation about a uranium bomb. After first electrifying the Americans with his news of Frisch's hypothesis, Bohr had come up with a theory of his own about the nature of uranium fission. At a breakfast conversation in Princeton on 5 February 1939 it suddenly occurred to Bohr that nearly all the observed fission in uranium was due to a rare isotope, U235, present in natural uranium only in proportion of roughly 1 to 140, virtually the whole of the remainder being composed of U238. In two brilliant papers of February and August 1939, Bohr argued that the plentiful isotope U238 would index fission, but only with fast neutrons of a high energy, most neutrons either being simply captured by the U238 nucleus or rebounding 'inelastically' after a collision, as a result of which they frequently lost energy and so became unable to cause fission in subsequent collisions. The factors of simple capture and collision without fission were dominant enough to render dependence on U238 fission alone an unfeasible source of power. But this did not hold for U235. The latter's nuclei were easily fissioned by slow neutrons (as well as by the even slower thermal neutrons). This insight had the effect of channeling the interest of physicists into the phenomenon of slow-neutron fission in U235, somewhat eclipsing the study of fast neutrons… Shortly after his remarkable insight, Bohr discussed with his Princeton friends the possibility of an atomic bomb, which he clearly understood would have to depend on U235 fission" (Paul Lawrence Rose, Heisenberg and the Nazi Atomic Bomb Project).
Thanks, I only know that when Bohr returned from USA to pick up his trunk at mother's house 1945, he still not could explain how to ignite or detonate his fantastic bomb. It was a military secret! What an asshole.

Of course it would be a secret back then.

But it’s not a secret nowadays, it’s now publicly known how they work and the basics have even been explained in this thread to you.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 05, 2022, 09:03:37 AM
You mean Manne Siegbahn? He told me 1964 not to study nuclear physics  and atomic bomb design as a professional career. Anything else was better.
So no mention of nuclear bombs being fake.  Just nuclear physics is too hard for you to understand.  Got it.
That nuclear bombs were fake was clear years earlier (when Niels Bohr couldn't explain how to ignite them).

Wrong again:

After the discovery of fission, Bohr was acutely aware of the theoretical possibility of making an atomic bomb. However, as he announced in lectures in Denmark and in Norway just before the German occupation of both countries in April 1940, he considered the practical difficulties so prohibitive as to prevent the realization of a bomb until well after the war could be expected to end. Even when Heisenberg at his visit to Copenhagen in 1941 told Bohr about his role in a German atomic bomb project, Bohr did not waver from that conviction.

In early 1943 Bohr received a secret message from his British colleague James Chadwick, inviting Bohr to join him in England to do important scientific work. Although Chadwick’s letter was vaguely formulated, Bohr understood immediately that the work had to do with developing an atomic bomb. Still convinced of the infeasibility of such a project, Bohr answered that there was greater need for him in occupied Denmark.

In the fall of 1943, the political situation in Denmark changed dramatically after the Danish government’s collaboration with the German occupiers broke down. After being warned about his imminent arrest, Bohr escaped by boat with his family across the narrow sound to Sweden. In Stockholm the invitation to England was repeated, and Bohr was brought by a military airplane to Scotland and then on to London. Only a few days later he was joined by his son Aage, a fledgling physicist of age 21, who would serve as his father’s indispensable sounding board during their absence from Denmark.

Upon being briefed about the state of the Allied atomic bomb project on his arrival in London, Bohr changed his mind immediately about its feasibility. Concerned about a corresponding project being pursued in Germany, Bohr willingly joined the Allied project. Taking part for several weeks at a time in the work in Los Alamos, New Mexico, to develop the atomic bomb, he made significant technical contributions, notably to the design of the so-called initiator for the plutonium bomb. His most-important role, however, was to serve, in J. Robert Oppenheimer’s words, “as a scientific father confessor to the younger men.”

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Niels-Bohr/The-atomic-bomb

BOHR, NIELS; WHEELER, JOHN A.
Resonance in Uranium and Thorium Disintegration and the Phenomenon of Nuclear Fission. WITH: Mechanism of Nuclear Fission. WITH: Fission of Protactinium

"Bohr's American trip of January-May 1939 fueled much of the scientific speculation about a uranium bomb. After first electrifying the Americans with his news of Frisch's hypothesis, Bohr had come up with a theory of his own about the nature of uranium fission. At a breakfast conversation in Princeton on 5 February 1939 it suddenly occurred to Bohr that nearly all the observed fission in uranium was due to a rare isotope, U235, present in natural uranium only in proportion of roughly 1 to 140, virtually the whole of the remainder being composed of U238. In two brilliant papers of February and August 1939, Bohr argued that the plentiful isotope U238 would index fission, but only with fast neutrons of a high energy, most neutrons either being simply captured by the U238 nucleus or rebounding 'inelastically' after a collision, as a result of which they frequently lost energy and so became unable to cause fission in subsequent collisions. The factors of simple capture and collision without fission were dominant enough to render dependence on U238 fission alone an unfeasible source of power. But this did not hold for U235. The latter's nuclei were easily fissioned by slow neutrons (as well as by the even slower thermal neutrons). This insight had the effect of channeling the interest of physicists into the phenomenon of slow-neutron fission in U235, somewhat eclipsing the study of fast neutrons… Shortly after his remarkable insight, Bohr discussed with his Princeton friends the possibility of an atomic bomb, which he clearly understood would have to depend on U235 fission" (Paul Lawrence Rose, Heisenberg and the Nazi Atomic Bomb Project).
Thanks, I only know that when Bohr returned from USA to pick up his trunk at mother's house 1945, he still not could explain how to ignite or detonate his fantastic bomb. It was a military secret! What an asshole.

Of course it would be a secret back then.

But it’s not a secret nowadays, it’s now publicly known how they work and the basics have even been explained in this thread to you.
Sorry. I must have missed it. So explosive fission is not secret any more and anyone can do/start it today. But in USA all is still top secret. And do you know why? It is all bullshit.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 05, 2022, 09:31:52 AM
You mean Manne Siegbahn? He told me 1964 not to study nuclear physics  and atomic bomb design as a professional career. Anything else was better.
So no mention of nuclear bombs being fake.  Just nuclear physics is too hard for you to understand.  Got it.
That nuclear bombs were fake was clear years earlier (when Niels Bohr couldn't explain how to ignite them).

Wrong again:

After the discovery of fission, Bohr was acutely aware of the theoretical possibility of making an atomic bomb. However, as he announced in lectures in Denmark and in Norway just before the German occupation of both countries in April 1940, he considered the practical difficulties so prohibitive as to prevent the realization of a bomb until well after the war could be expected to end. Even when Heisenberg at his visit to Copenhagen in 1941 told Bohr about his role in a German atomic bomb project, Bohr did not waver from that conviction.

In early 1943 Bohr received a secret message from his British colleague James Chadwick, inviting Bohr to join him in England to do important scientific work. Although Chadwick’s letter was vaguely formulated, Bohr understood immediately that the work had to do with developing an atomic bomb. Still convinced of the infeasibility of such a project, Bohr answered that there was greater need for him in occupied Denmark.

In the fall of 1943, the political situation in Denmark changed dramatically after the Danish government’s collaboration with the German occupiers broke down. After being warned about his imminent arrest, Bohr escaped by boat with his family across the narrow sound to Sweden. In Stockholm the invitation to England was repeated, and Bohr was brought by a military airplane to Scotland and then on to London. Only a few days later he was joined by his son Aage, a fledgling physicist of age 21, who would serve as his father’s indispensable sounding board during their absence from Denmark.

Upon being briefed about the state of the Allied atomic bomb project on his arrival in London, Bohr changed his mind immediately about its feasibility. Concerned about a corresponding project being pursued in Germany, Bohr willingly joined the Allied project. Taking part for several weeks at a time in the work in Los Alamos, New Mexico, to develop the atomic bomb, he made significant technical contributions, notably to the design of the so-called initiator for the plutonium bomb. His most-important role, however, was to serve, in J. Robert Oppenheimer’s words, “as a scientific father confessor to the younger men.”

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Niels-Bohr/The-atomic-bomb

BOHR, NIELS; WHEELER, JOHN A.
Resonance in Uranium and Thorium Disintegration and the Phenomenon of Nuclear Fission. WITH: Mechanism of Nuclear Fission. WITH: Fission of Protactinium

"Bohr's American trip of January-May 1939 fueled much of the scientific speculation about a uranium bomb. After first electrifying the Americans with his news of Frisch's hypothesis, Bohr had come up with a theory of his own about the nature of uranium fission. At a breakfast conversation in Princeton on 5 February 1939 it suddenly occurred to Bohr that nearly all the observed fission in uranium was due to a rare isotope, U235, present in natural uranium only in proportion of roughly 1 to 140, virtually the whole of the remainder being composed of U238. In two brilliant papers of February and August 1939, Bohr argued that the plentiful isotope U238 would index fission, but only with fast neutrons of a high energy, most neutrons either being simply captured by the U238 nucleus or rebounding 'inelastically' after a collision, as a result of which they frequently lost energy and so became unable to cause fission in subsequent collisions. The factors of simple capture and collision without fission were dominant enough to render dependence on U238 fission alone an unfeasible source of power. But this did not hold for U235. The latter's nuclei were easily fissioned by slow neutrons (as well as by the even slower thermal neutrons). This insight had the effect of channeling the interest of physicists into the phenomenon of slow-neutron fission in U235, somewhat eclipsing the study of fast neutrons… Shortly after his remarkable insight, Bohr discussed with his Princeton friends the possibility of an atomic bomb, which he clearly understood would have to depend on U235 fission" (Paul Lawrence Rose, Heisenberg and the Nazi Atomic Bomb Project).
Thanks, I only know that when Bohr returned from USA to pick up his trunk at mother's house 1945, he still not could explain how to ignite or detonate his fantastic bomb. It was a military secret! What an asshole.

Of course it would be a secret back then.

But it’s not a secret nowadays, it’s now publicly known how they work and the basics have even been explained in this thread to you.
Sorry. I must have missed it. So explosive fission is not secret any more and anyone can do/start it today. But in USA all is still top secret. And do you know why? It is all bullshit.

Wrong again:

Nuclear 101: How Nuclear Bombs Work Part 1/2


Nuclear 101: How Nuclear Bombs Work Part 2/2


Old:


The Physics:

Los Alamos Primer (https://www.amazon.com/Los-Alamos-Primer-Lectures-Introduction/dp/0520344170/ref=sr_1_1?crid=U20643GVN0NT&keywords=los+alamos+primer&qid=1649175512&s=books&sprefix=los+alamos+primer%2Cstripbooks%2C111&sr=1-1)
The Los Alamos Primer was a printed version of the first five lectures on the principles of nuclear weapons given to new arrivals at the top-secret Los Alamos laboratory during the Manhattan Project. They were originally given by the physicist Robert Serber after being delivered in person on April 5–14, 1943, based on conclusions reached at a conference held in July and September 1942 at the University of California, Berkeley by Robert Oppenheimer. The notes from the lecture which became the Primer were written by Edward Condon.

The Making of the Atomic Bomb Paperback – January 1, 1986 (https://www.amazon.com/Making-Atomic-Bomb-Richard-Rhodes/dp/1451677618)
by Richard Rhodes
The definitive history of nuclear weapons and the Manhattan Project. From the turn-of-the-century discovery of nuclear energy to the dropping of the first bombs on Japan, Richard Rhodes’s Pulitzer Prize–winning book details the science, the people, and the sociopolitical realities that led to the development of the atomic bomb.

The very technical Physics:

Critical Assembly (https://www.amazon.com/Critical-Assembly-Technical-History-Oppenheimer/dp/0521541174/ref=sr_1_1?crid=27Q4KCYY6BOQM&keywords=Critical+Assembly&qid=1649175674&s=books&sprefix=critical+assembly%2Cstripbooks%2C110&sr=1-1)
This volume is a lucid and accurate history of the technical research that led to the first atomic bombs. The authors explore how the "critical assembly" of scientists, engineers, and military personnel at Los Alamos, responding to wartime deadlines, collaborated to create a new approach to large-scale research. The book opens with an introduction laying out major themes. After a synopsis of the prehistory of the bomb project, from the discovery of nuclear fission to the start of the Manhattan Engineer District, and an overview of the early materials program, the book examines the establishment of the Los Alamos Laboratory, the implosion and gun assembly programs, nuclear physics research, chemistry and metallurgy, explosives, uranium and plutonium development, confirmation of spontaneous fission in pile-produced plutonium, the thermonuclear bomb, critical assemblies, the Trinity test, and delivery of the combat weapons.

From the US Dept. of Defense (1950, updated 1977):
The Effects of Nuclear Weapons (https://www.deepspace.ucsb.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Effects-of-Nuclear-Weapons-1977-3rd-edition-complete.pdf)

Lastly:

Hiroshima and Nagasaki: The Physical, Medical and Social Effects of the Atomic Bombing (https://www.amazon.com/Hiroshima-Nagasaki-COMMITTEE-ETC/dp/0091456401/ref=sr_1_1?crid=YLLWNF8M8HCU&keywords=the+physical+and+medical+effects+of+atomic&qid=1649176040&s=books&sprefix=the+physical+and+medical+effects+of+atomic+%2Cstripbooks%2C121&sr=1-1)
A great overview of the physics and medical effects of nuclear weapons. The overall stance is critical towards nuclear weapons, but the explanations are clear and backed up by citations and research.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 05, 2022, 08:49:32 PM
You mean Manne Siegbahn? He told me 1964 not to study nuclear physics  and atomic bomb design as a professional career. Anything else was better.
So no mention of nuclear bombs being fake.  Just nuclear physics is too hard for you to understand.  Got it.
That nuclear bombs were fake was clear years earlier (when Niels Bohr couldn't explain how to ignite them).

Wrong again:

After the discovery of fission, Bohr was acutely aware of the theoretical possibility of making an atomic bomb. However, as he announced in lectures in Denmark and in Norway just before the German occupation of both countries in April 1940, he considered the practical difficulties so prohibitive as to prevent the realization of a bomb until well after the war could be expected to end. Even when Heisenberg at his visit to Copenhagen in 1941 told Bohr about his role in a German atomic bomb project, Bohr did not waver from that conviction.

In early 1943 Bohr received a secret message from his British colleague James Chadwick, inviting Bohr to join him in England to do important scientific work. Although Chadwick’s letter was vaguely formulated, Bohr understood immediately that the work had to do with developing an atomic bomb. Still convinced of the infeasibility of such a project, Bohr answered that there was greater need for him in occupied Denmark.

In the fall of 1943, the political situation in Denmark changed dramatically after the Danish government’s collaboration with the German occupiers broke down. After being warned about his imminent arrest, Bohr escaped by boat with his family across the narrow sound to Sweden. In Stockholm the invitation to England was repeated, and Bohr was brought by a military airplane to Scotland and then on to London. Only a few days later he was joined by his son Aage, a fledgling physicist of age 21, who would serve as his father’s indispensable sounding board during their absence from Denmark.

Upon being briefed about the state of the Allied atomic bomb project on his arrival in London, Bohr changed his mind immediately about its feasibility. Concerned about a corresponding project being pursued in Germany, Bohr willingly joined the Allied project. Taking part for several weeks at a time in the work in Los Alamos, New Mexico, to develop the atomic bomb, he made significant technical contributions, notably to the design of the so-called initiator for the plutonium bomb. His most-important role, however, was to serve, in J. Robert Oppenheimer’s words, “as a scientific father confessor to the younger men.”

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Niels-Bohr/The-atomic-bomb

BOHR, NIELS; WHEELER, JOHN A.
Resonance in Uranium and Thorium Disintegration and the Phenomenon of Nuclear Fission. WITH: Mechanism of Nuclear Fission. WITH: Fission of Protactinium

"Bohr's American trip of January-May 1939 fueled much of the scientific speculation about a uranium bomb. After first electrifying the Americans with his news of Frisch's hypothesis, Bohr had come up with a theory of his own about the nature of uranium fission. At a breakfast conversation in Princeton on 5 February 1939 it suddenly occurred to Bohr that nearly all the observed fission in uranium was due to a rare isotope, U235, present in natural uranium only in proportion of roughly 1 to 140, virtually the whole of the remainder being composed of U238. In two brilliant papers of February and August 1939, Bohr argued that the plentiful isotope U238 would index fission, but only with fast neutrons of a high energy, most neutrons either being simply captured by the U238 nucleus or rebounding 'inelastically' after a collision, as a result of which they frequently lost energy and so became unable to cause fission in subsequent collisions. The factors of simple capture and collision without fission were dominant enough to render dependence on U238 fission alone an unfeasible source of power. But this did not hold for U235. The latter's nuclei were easily fissioned by slow neutrons (as well as by the even slower thermal neutrons). This insight had the effect of channeling the interest of physicists into the phenomenon of slow-neutron fission in U235, somewhat eclipsing the study of fast neutrons… Shortly after his remarkable insight, Bohr discussed with his Princeton friends the possibility of an atomic bomb, which he clearly understood would have to depend on U235 fission" (Paul Lawrence Rose, Heisenberg and the Nazi Atomic Bomb Project).
Thanks, I only know that when Bohr returned from USA to pick up his trunk at mother's house 1945, he still not could explain how to ignite or detonate his fantastic bomb. It was a military secret! What an asshole.

Of course it would be a secret back then.

But it’s not a secret nowadays, it’s now publicly known how they work and the basics have even been explained in this thread to you.
Sorry. I must have missed it. So explosive fission is not secret any more and anyone can do/start it today. But in USA all is still top secret. And do you know why? It is all bullshit.

Wrong again:

Nuclear 101: How Nuclear Bombs Work Part 1/2


Nuclear 101: How Nuclear Bombs Work Part 2/2


Old:


The Physics:

Los Alamos Primer (https://www.amazon.com/Los-Alamos-Primer-Lectures-Introduction/dp/0520344170/ref=sr_1_1?crid=U20643GVN0NT&keywords=los+alamos+primer&qid=1649175512&s=books&sprefix=los+alamos+primer%2Cstripbooks%2C111&sr=1-1)
The Los Alamos Primer was a printed version of the first five lectures on the principles of nuclear weapons given to new arrivals at the top-secret Los Alamos laboratory during the Manhattan Project. They were originally given by the physicist Robert Serber after being delivered in person on April 5–14, 1943, based on conclusions reached at a conference held in July and September 1942 at the University of California, Berkeley by Robert Oppenheimer. The notes from the lecture which became the Primer were written by Edward Condon.

The Making of the Atomic Bomb Paperback – January 1, 1986 (https://www.amazon.com/Making-Atomic-Bomb-Richard-Rhodes/dp/1451677618)
by Richard Rhodes
The definitive history of nuclear weapons and the Manhattan Project. From the turn-of-the-century discovery of nuclear energy to the dropping of the first bombs on Japan, Richard Rhodes’s Pulitzer Prize–winning book details the science, the people, and the sociopolitical realities that led to the development of the atomic bomb.

The very technical Physics:

Critical Assembly (https://www.amazon.com/Critical-Assembly-Technical-History-Oppenheimer/dp/0521541174/ref=sr_1_1?crid=27Q4KCYY6BOQM&keywords=Critical+Assembly&qid=1649175674&s=books&sprefix=critical+assembly%2Cstripbooks%2C110&sr=1-1)
This volume is a lucid and accurate history of the technical research that led to the first atomic bombs. The authors explore how the "critical assembly" of scientists, engineers, and military personnel at Los Alamos, responding to wartime deadlines, collaborated to create a new approach to large-scale research. The book opens with an introduction laying out major themes. After a synopsis of the prehistory of the bomb project, from the discovery of nuclear fission to the start of the Manhattan Engineer District, and an overview of the early materials program, the book examines the establishment of the Los Alamos Laboratory, the implosion and gun assembly programs, nuclear physics research, chemistry and metallurgy, explosives, uranium and plutonium development, confirmation of spontaneous fission in pile-produced plutonium, the thermonuclear bomb, critical assemblies, the Trinity test, and delivery of the combat weapons.

From the US Dept. of Defense (1950, updated 1977):
The Effects of Nuclear Weapons (https://www.deepspace.ucsb.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Effects-of-Nuclear-Weapons-1977-3rd-edition-complete.pdf)

Lastly:

Hiroshima and Nagasaki: The Physical, Medical and Social Effects of the Atomic Bombing (https://www.amazon.com/Hiroshima-Nagasaki-COMMITTEE-ETC/dp/0091456401/ref=sr_1_1?crid=YLLWNF8M8HCU&keywords=the+physical+and+medical+effects+of+atomic&qid=1649176040&s=books&sprefix=the+physical+and+medical+effects+of+atomic+%2Cstripbooks%2C121&sr=1-1)
A great overview of the physics and medical effects of nuclear weapons. The overall stance is critical towards nuclear weapons, but the explanations are clear and backed up by citations and research.

Hm, what about two sub-critical masses put together to one critical mass and BOOMM!!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 05, 2022, 11:21:05 PM
You mean Manne Siegbahn? He told me 1964 not to study nuclear physics  and atomic bomb design as a professional career. Anything else was better.
So no mention of nuclear bombs being fake.  Just nuclear physics is too hard for you to understand.  Got it.
That nuclear bombs were fake was clear years earlier (when Niels Bohr couldn't explain how to ignite them).

Wrong again:

After the discovery of fission, Bohr was acutely aware of the theoretical possibility of making an atomic bomb. However, as he announced in lectures in Denmark and in Norway just before the German occupation of both countries in April 1940, he considered the practical difficulties so prohibitive as to prevent the realization of a bomb until well after the war could be expected to end. Even when Heisenberg at his visit to Copenhagen in 1941 told Bohr about his role in a German atomic bomb project, Bohr did not waver from that conviction.

In early 1943 Bohr received a secret message from his British colleague James Chadwick, inviting Bohr to join him in England to do important scientific work. Although Chadwick’s letter was vaguely formulated, Bohr understood immediately that the work had to do with developing an atomic bomb. Still convinced of the infeasibility of such a project, Bohr answered that there was greater need for him in occupied Denmark.

In the fall of 1943, the political situation in Denmark changed dramatically after the Danish government’s collaboration with the German occupiers broke down. After being warned about his imminent arrest, Bohr escaped by boat with his family across the narrow sound to Sweden. In Stockholm the invitation to England was repeated, and Bohr was brought by a military airplane to Scotland and then on to London. Only a few days later he was joined by his son Aage, a fledgling physicist of age 21, who would serve as his father’s indispensable sounding board during their absence from Denmark.

Upon being briefed about the state of the Allied atomic bomb project on his arrival in London, Bohr changed his mind immediately about its feasibility. Concerned about a corresponding project being pursued in Germany, Bohr willingly joined the Allied project. Taking part for several weeks at a time in the work in Los Alamos, New Mexico, to develop the atomic bomb, he made significant technical contributions, notably to the design of the so-called initiator for the plutonium bomb. His most-important role, however, was to serve, in J. Robert Oppenheimer’s words, “as a scientific father confessor to the younger men.”

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Niels-Bohr/The-atomic-bomb

BOHR, NIELS; WHEELER, JOHN A.
Resonance in Uranium and Thorium Disintegration and the Phenomenon of Nuclear Fission. WITH: Mechanism of Nuclear Fission. WITH: Fission of Protactinium

"Bohr's American trip of January-May 1939 fueled much of the scientific speculation about a uranium bomb. After first electrifying the Americans with his news of Frisch's hypothesis, Bohr had come up with a theory of his own about the nature of uranium fission. At a breakfast conversation in Princeton on 5 February 1939 it suddenly occurred to Bohr that nearly all the observed fission in uranium was due to a rare isotope, U235, present in natural uranium only in proportion of roughly 1 to 140, virtually the whole of the remainder being composed of U238. In two brilliant papers of February and August 1939, Bohr argued that the plentiful isotope U238 would index fission, but only with fast neutrons of a high energy, most neutrons either being simply captured by the U238 nucleus or rebounding 'inelastically' after a collision, as a result of which they frequently lost energy and so became unable to cause fission in subsequent collisions. The factors of simple capture and collision without fission were dominant enough to render dependence on U238 fission alone an unfeasible source of power. But this did not hold for U235. The latter's nuclei were easily fissioned by slow neutrons (as well as by the even slower thermal neutrons). This insight had the effect of channeling the interest of physicists into the phenomenon of slow-neutron fission in U235, somewhat eclipsing the study of fast neutrons… Shortly after his remarkable insight, Bohr discussed with his Princeton friends the possibility of an atomic bomb, which he clearly understood would have to depend on U235 fission" (Paul Lawrence Rose, Heisenberg and the Nazi Atomic Bomb Project).
Thanks, I only know that when Bohr returned from USA to pick up his trunk at mother's house 1945, he still not could explain how to ignite or detonate his fantastic bomb. It was a military secret! What an asshole.

Of course it would be a secret back then.

But it’s not a secret nowadays, it’s now publicly known how they work and the basics have even been explained in this thread to you.
Sorry. I must have missed it. So explosive fission is not secret any more and anyone can do/start it today. But in USA all is still top secret. And do you know why? It is all bullshit.

Wrong again:

Nuclear 101: How Nuclear Bombs Work Part 1/2


Nuclear 101: How Nuclear Bombs Work Part 2/2


Old:


The Physics:

Los Alamos Primer (https://www.amazon.com/Los-Alamos-Primer-Lectures-Introduction/dp/0520344170/ref=sr_1_1?crid=U20643GVN0NT&keywords=los+alamos+primer&qid=1649175512&s=books&sprefix=los+alamos+primer%2Cstripbooks%2C111&sr=1-1)
The Los Alamos Primer was a printed version of the first five lectures on the principles of nuclear weapons given to new arrivals at the top-secret Los Alamos laboratory during the Manhattan Project. They were originally given by the physicist Robert Serber after being delivered in person on April 5–14, 1943, based on conclusions reached at a conference held in July and September 1942 at the University of California, Berkeley by Robert Oppenheimer. The notes from the lecture which became the Primer were written by Edward Condon.

The Making of the Atomic Bomb Paperback – January 1, 1986 (https://www.amazon.com/Making-Atomic-Bomb-Richard-Rhodes/dp/1451677618)
by Richard Rhodes
The definitive history of nuclear weapons and the Manhattan Project. From the turn-of-the-century discovery of nuclear energy to the dropping of the first bombs on Japan, Richard Rhodes’s Pulitzer Prize–winning book details the science, the people, and the sociopolitical realities that led to the development of the atomic bomb.

The very technical Physics:

Critical Assembly (https://www.amazon.com/Critical-Assembly-Technical-History-Oppenheimer/dp/0521541174/ref=sr_1_1?crid=27Q4KCYY6BOQM&keywords=Critical+Assembly&qid=1649175674&s=books&sprefix=critical+assembly%2Cstripbooks%2C110&sr=1-1)
This volume is a lucid and accurate history of the technical research that led to the first atomic bombs. The authors explore how the "critical assembly" of scientists, engineers, and military personnel at Los Alamos, responding to wartime deadlines, collaborated to create a new approach to large-scale research. The book opens with an introduction laying out major themes. After a synopsis of the prehistory of the bomb project, from the discovery of nuclear fission to the start of the Manhattan Engineer District, and an overview of the early materials program, the book examines the establishment of the Los Alamos Laboratory, the implosion and gun assembly programs, nuclear physics research, chemistry and metallurgy, explosives, uranium and plutonium development, confirmation of spontaneous fission in pile-produced plutonium, the thermonuclear bomb, critical assemblies, the Trinity test, and delivery of the combat weapons.

From the US Dept. of Defense (1950, updated 1977):
The Effects of Nuclear Weapons (https://www.deepspace.ucsb.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Effects-of-Nuclear-Weapons-1977-3rd-edition-complete.pdf)

Lastly:

Hiroshima and Nagasaki: The Physical, Medical and Social Effects of the Atomic Bombing (https://www.amazon.com/Hiroshima-Nagasaki-COMMITTEE-ETC/dp/0091456401/ref=sr_1_1?crid=YLLWNF8M8HCU&keywords=the+physical+and+medical+effects+of+atomic&qid=1649176040&s=books&sprefix=the+physical+and+medical+effects+of+atomic+%2Cstripbooks%2C121&sr=1-1)
A great overview of the physics and medical effects of nuclear weapons. The overall stance is critical towards nuclear weapons, but the explanations are clear and backed up by citations and research.

Hm, what about two sub-critical masses put together to one critical mass and BOOMM!!

Watch the videos and read the literature. Learn some physics.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 05, 2022, 11:22:27 PM
You mean Manne Siegbahn? He told me 1964 not to study nuclear physics  and atomic bomb design as a professional career. Anything else was better.
So no mention of nuclear bombs being fake.  Just nuclear physics is too hard for you to understand.  Got it.
That nuclear bombs were fake was clear years earlier (when Niels Bohr couldn't explain how to ignite them).

Wrong again:

After the discovery of fission, Bohr was acutely aware of the theoretical possibility of making an atomic bomb. However, as he announced in lectures in Denmark and in Norway just before the German occupation of both countries in April 1940, he considered the practical difficulties so prohibitive as to prevent the realization of a bomb until well after the war could be expected to end. Even when Heisenberg at his visit to Copenhagen in 1941 told Bohr about his role in a German atomic bomb project, Bohr did not waver from that conviction.

In early 1943 Bohr received a secret message from his British colleague James Chadwick, inviting Bohr to join him in England to do important scientific work. Although Chadwick’s letter was vaguely formulated, Bohr understood immediately that the work had to do with developing an atomic bomb. Still convinced of the infeasibility of such a project, Bohr answered that there was greater need for him in occupied Denmark.

In the fall of 1943, the political situation in Denmark changed dramatically after the Danish government’s collaboration with the German occupiers broke down. After being warned about his imminent arrest, Bohr escaped by boat with his family across the narrow sound to Sweden. In Stockholm the invitation to England was repeated, and Bohr was brought by a military airplane to Scotland and then on to London. Only a few days later he was joined by his son Aage, a fledgling physicist of age 21, who would serve as his father’s indispensable sounding board during their absence from Denmark.

Upon being briefed about the state of the Allied atomic bomb project on his arrival in London, Bohr changed his mind immediately about its feasibility. Concerned about a corresponding project being pursued in Germany, Bohr willingly joined the Allied project. Taking part for several weeks at a time in the work in Los Alamos, New Mexico, to develop the atomic bomb, he made significant technical contributions, notably to the design of the so-called initiator for the plutonium bomb. His most-important role, however, was to serve, in J. Robert Oppenheimer’s words, “as a scientific father confessor to the younger men.”

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Niels-Bohr/The-atomic-bomb

BOHR, NIELS; WHEELER, JOHN A.
Resonance in Uranium and Thorium Disintegration and the Phenomenon of Nuclear Fission. WITH: Mechanism of Nuclear Fission. WITH: Fission of Protactinium

"Bohr's American trip of January-May 1939 fueled much of the scientific speculation about a uranium bomb. After first electrifying the Americans with his news of Frisch's hypothesis, Bohr had come up with a theory of his own about the nature of uranium fission. At a breakfast conversation in Princeton on 5 February 1939 it suddenly occurred to Bohr that nearly all the observed fission in uranium was due to a rare isotope, U235, present in natural uranium only in proportion of roughly 1 to 140, virtually the whole of the remainder being composed of U238. In two brilliant papers of February and August 1939, Bohr argued that the plentiful isotope U238 would index fission, but only with fast neutrons of a high energy, most neutrons either being simply captured by the U238 nucleus or rebounding 'inelastically' after a collision, as a result of which they frequently lost energy and so became unable to cause fission in subsequent collisions. The factors of simple capture and collision without fission were dominant enough to render dependence on U238 fission alone an unfeasible source of power. But this did not hold for U235. The latter's nuclei were easily fissioned by slow neutrons (as well as by the even slower thermal neutrons). This insight had the effect of channeling the interest of physicists into the phenomenon of slow-neutron fission in U235, somewhat eclipsing the study of fast neutrons… Shortly after his remarkable insight, Bohr discussed with his Princeton friends the possibility of an atomic bomb, which he clearly understood would have to depend on U235 fission" (Paul Lawrence Rose, Heisenberg and the Nazi Atomic Bomb Project).
Thanks, I only know that when Bohr returned from USA to pick up his trunk at mother's house 1945, he still not could explain how to ignite or detonate his fantastic bomb. It was a military secret! What an asshole.

Of course it would be a secret back then.

But it’s not a secret nowadays, it’s now publicly known how they work and the basics have even been explained in this thread to you.
Sorry. I must have missed it. So explosive fission is not secret any more and anyone can do/start it today. But in USA all is still top secret. And do you know why? It is all bullshit.

Wrong again:

Nuclear 101: How Nuclear Bombs Work Part 1/2


Nuclear 101: How Nuclear Bombs Work Part 2/2


Old:


The Physics:

Los Alamos Primer (https://www.amazon.com/Los-Alamos-Primer-Lectures-Introduction/dp/0520344170/ref=sr_1_1?crid=U20643GVN0NT&keywords=los+alamos+primer&qid=1649175512&s=books&sprefix=los+alamos+primer%2Cstripbooks%2C111&sr=1-1)
The Los Alamos Primer was a printed version of the first five lectures on the principles of nuclear weapons given to new arrivals at the top-secret Los Alamos laboratory during the Manhattan Project. They were originally given by the physicist Robert Serber after being delivered in person on April 5–14, 1943, based on conclusions reached at a conference held in July and September 1942 at the University of California, Berkeley by Robert Oppenheimer. The notes from the lecture which became the Primer were written by Edward Condon.

The Making of the Atomic Bomb Paperback – January 1, 1986 (https://www.amazon.com/Making-Atomic-Bomb-Richard-Rhodes/dp/1451677618)
by Richard Rhodes
The definitive history of nuclear weapons and the Manhattan Project. From the turn-of-the-century discovery of nuclear energy to the dropping of the first bombs on Japan, Richard Rhodes’s Pulitzer Prize–winning book details the science, the people, and the sociopolitical realities that led to the development of the atomic bomb.

The very technical Physics:

Critical Assembly (https://www.amazon.com/Critical-Assembly-Technical-History-Oppenheimer/dp/0521541174/ref=sr_1_1?crid=27Q4KCYY6BOQM&keywords=Critical+Assembly&qid=1649175674&s=books&sprefix=critical+assembly%2Cstripbooks%2C110&sr=1-1)
This volume is a lucid and accurate history of the technical research that led to the first atomic bombs. The authors explore how the "critical assembly" of scientists, engineers, and military personnel at Los Alamos, responding to wartime deadlines, collaborated to create a new approach to large-scale research. The book opens with an introduction laying out major themes. After a synopsis of the prehistory of the bomb project, from the discovery of nuclear fission to the start of the Manhattan Engineer District, and an overview of the early materials program, the book examines the establishment of the Los Alamos Laboratory, the implosion and gun assembly programs, nuclear physics research, chemistry and metallurgy, explosives, uranium and plutonium development, confirmation of spontaneous fission in pile-produced plutonium, the thermonuclear bomb, critical assemblies, the Trinity test, and delivery of the combat weapons.

From the US Dept. of Defense (1950, updated 1977):
The Effects of Nuclear Weapons (https://www.deepspace.ucsb.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Effects-of-Nuclear-Weapons-1977-3rd-edition-complete.pdf)

Lastly:

Hiroshima and Nagasaki: The Physical, Medical and Social Effects of the Atomic Bombing (https://www.amazon.com/Hiroshima-Nagasaki-COMMITTEE-ETC/dp/0091456401/ref=sr_1_1?crid=YLLWNF8M8HCU&keywords=the+physical+and+medical+effects+of+atomic&qid=1649176040&s=books&sprefix=the+physical+and+medical+effects+of+atomic+%2Cstripbooks%2C121&sr=1-1)
A great overview of the physics and medical effects of nuclear weapons. The overall stance is critical towards nuclear weapons, but the explanations are clear and backed up by citations and research.

Hm, what about two sub-critical masses put together to one critical mass and BOOMM!!

Already explained.

What specific evidence do you have that nukes are fake?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 06, 2022, 01:24:03 AM

What specific evidence do you have that nukes are fake?
Just study my articles and reports about it. You find them on the Internet.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 06, 2022, 01:50:55 AM

What specific evidence do you have that nukes are fake?
Just study my articles and reports about it. You find them on the Internet.

The thing is you don’t provide any evidence, just personal opinions. I’ve been through your site many times. All it’s filled with is this kind of ranting garbage over and over again, no actual evidence:

An Atomic/A-Bomb is clearly not the only big manipulation since 1945. The space travel manipulations started 1955 and are still alive. Sending tourists to planet Mars 2020 is the latest bullshit. Like the 2001 911 manipulations - Arab terrorists attacking USA. No Arabs attacked USA. It was an inside job. Or the 2020 Covid-19 manipulations. Covid-19 is a mysterious virus killing all of us, if you believe it.

And just more self-aggrandizing, narcissistic, “My opinion is the only thing that matters” mentality like this insanity we’ve seen a thousand times:

Niels left a trunk in the room and nobody dared to open it. It could contain atomic secrets!!! World War 2 ended 1945 and Niels came back to collect his trunk that only contained dirty underwear! Niels was then not popular having developed the atomic bomb to destroy the complete world and having killed so many innocent civilians in Japan, but Niels said as usual he couldn't explain the secrets how it worked and returned to Copenhagen. What an asshole! At the same time Manne was asked by other assholes - the Swedish government - to build a Swedish atomic bomb to blow up the world. Manne agreed (!) subject (!!!) to all details (!!!!!) about it becoming public, non-secret knowledge!! Manne didn't get the job, of course. All had to be secret in PEACE loving Sweden. Then I was born 1946.

1964 Manne asked me about my plans for the future and I suggested theoretical and particle physics. Manne didn't support the idea, so luckily I studied something else, which I explain below.

Today I live outside Monte Carlo with a view of the sea, where the distant Sun rises every morning. I know it is an illusion - it is me on the rotating Earth orbiting the Sun that observes it. After eight minutes the first photons (!!) of the Sun arrive at the speed of light in my eyes ... but nobody can explain what a photon is and how it is created and why it dies in my eyes after its long trajectory through space from the Sun.


Just the same crap nonsense you endlessly copy and paste over to here.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 06, 2022, 01:51:36 AM

What specific evidence do you have that nukes are fake?
Just study my articles and reports about it. You find them on the Internet.

No, post them here, post the specific evidence here, everyone else is backing up there arguments.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 06, 2022, 01:58:55 AM

What specific evidence do you have that nukes are fake?
Just study my articles and reports about it. You find them on the Internet.

No, post them here, post the specific evidence here, everyone else is backing up there arguments.
?? It requires too much space. But to make it short - fission is not explosive!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Calen on April 06, 2022, 02:00:29 AM
Your 'articles' are little more than gross misunderstandings, ignorant of contradictory evidence, that fudge maths. They are riddled with incredulity and derision of established fact.

I would go so far as to call them the ramblings of a butt-hurt failure, who harbours a resentment of the scientific and engineering community, most likely due to being rejected in the fields.


Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 06, 2022, 02:57:31 AM
Your 'articles' are little more than gross misunderstandings, ignorant of contradictory evidence, that fudge maths. They are riddled with incredulity and derision of established fact.

I would go so far as to call them the ramblings of a butt-hurt failure, who harbours a resentment of the scientific and engineering community, most likely due to being rejected in the fields.
I read what you say. Did you read what I wrote in my articles? Who are you, BTW?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Calen on April 06, 2022, 03:51:13 AM
Your 'articles' are little more than gross misunderstandings, ignorant of contradictory evidence, that fudge maths. They are riddled with incredulity and derision of established fact.

I would go so far as to call them the ramblings of a butt-hurt failure, who harbours a resentment of the scientific and engineering community, most likely due to being rejected in the fields.
I read what you say. Did you read what I wrote in my articles? Who are you, BTW?

I have read some, yes, and I stand by my assessment.

As to who I am, I am Calen.  Or, if you prefer, "I am what I am, and what I am needs no excuses."
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on April 06, 2022, 06:14:53 AM
Your 'articles' are little more than gross misunderstandings, ignorant of contradictory evidence, that fudge maths. They are riddled with incredulity and derision of established fact.

I would go so far as to call them the ramblings of a butt-hurt failure, who harbours a resentment of the scientific and engineering community, most likely due to being rejected in the fields.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 06, 2022, 09:04:48 AM
Your 'articles' are little more than gross misunderstandings, ignorant of contradictory evidence, that fudge maths. They are riddled with incredulity and derision of established fact.

I would go so far as to call them the ramblings of a butt-hurt failure, who harbours a resentment of the scientific and engineering community, most likely due to being rejected in the fields.
Just quote me and I'll explain. I never ramble! I write.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 06, 2022, 10:15:17 AM
Your 'articles' are little more than gross misunderstandings, ignorant of contradictory evidence, that fudge maths. They are riddled with incredulity and derision of established fact.

I would go so far as to call them the ramblings of a butt-hurt failure, who harbours a resentment of the scientific and engineering community, most likely due to being rejected in the fields.
Just quote me and I'll explain. I never ramble! I write.

Rambling insane nonsense:
All US enemies will be detected by CIA and wiped out by US nukes!!! In reality luckily USA has no nuclear weapons of mass destruction at all. Any bullshit to the contrary is US lies, propaganda and manipulations since 1945. What to believe, me or US bullshit?

Rambling insane nonsense:
crazy armed forces and plenty nuclear physicists incl. plenty Nobel prize winners that cannot get any better jobs than lying for their governments - the only real job many physicists can get apart from being low paid school physic teachers - and by mainstream media that are experts in publishing fake info or news or what they call it.

Rambling insane nonsense:
10 000's of fake (but secret) atomic bombs have since 1945 been built, transported around, mishandled, dropped by mistake, we are told, but none has ever exploded. Reason is that a real atomic bomb cannot explode.

I could go on. But all it is are the ramblings of a lunatic lone conspiracy theorist who desperately needs some meds. Rambling after rambling, no evidence. Like one of those crazy people standing on a corner shouting out crazed opinions about anyone and everything. And passerby's just avoid and ignore the lunatic. That's why the bot has been banned everywhere else across the net and most likely why Safety at Sea hasn't had any customers in decades. It's really quite sad.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 06, 2022, 12:15:41 PM
Your 'articles' are little more than gross misunderstandings, ignorant of contradictory evidence, that fudge maths. They are riddled with incredulity and derision of established fact.

I would go so far as to call them the ramblings of a butt-hurt failure, who harbours a resentment of the scientific and engineering community, most likely due to being rejected in the fields.
Just quote me and I'll explain. I never ramble! I write.

Rambling insane nonsense:
All US enemies will be detected by CIA and wiped out by US nukes!!! In reality luckily USA has no nuclear weapons of mass destruction at all. Any bullshit to the contrary is US lies, propaganda and manipulations since 1945. What to believe, me or US bullshit?

Rambling insane nonsense:
crazy armed forces and plenty nuclear physicists incl. plenty Nobel prize winners that cannot get any better jobs than lying for their governments - the only real job many physicists can get apart from being low paid school physic teachers - and by mainstream media that are experts in publishing fake info or news or what they call it.

Rambling insane nonsense:
10 000's of fake (but secret) atomic bombs have since 1945 been built, transported around, mishandled, dropped by mistake, we are told, but none has ever exploded. Reason is that a real atomic bomb cannot explode.

I could go on. But all it is are the ramblings of a lunatic lone conspiracy theorist who desperately needs some meds. Rambling after rambling, no evidence. Like one of those crazy people standing on a corner shouting out crazed opinions about anyone and everything. And passerby's just avoid and ignore the lunatic. That's why the bot has been banned everywhere else across the net and most likely why Safety at Sea hasn't had any customers in decades. It's really quite sad.

Good. You have read what I have written. Progress!  So just show I am wrong, and that I am not a lunatic lone conspiracy theorist who desperately needs some meds, as you suggest.
I am serious and in good shape.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 06, 2022, 12:51:50 PM
Your 'articles' are little more than gross misunderstandings, ignorant of contradictory evidence, that fudge maths. They are riddled with incredulity and derision of established fact.

I would go so far as to call them the ramblings of a butt-hurt failure, who harbours a resentment of the scientific and engineering community, most likely due to being rejected in the fields.
Just quote me and I'll explain. I never ramble! I write.

Rambling insane nonsense:
All US enemies will be detected by CIA and wiped out by US nukes!!! In reality luckily USA has no nuclear weapons of mass destruction at all. Any bullshit to the contrary is US lies, propaganda and manipulations since 1945. What to believe, me or US bullshit?

Rambling insane nonsense:
crazy armed forces and plenty nuclear physicists incl. plenty Nobel prize winners that cannot get any better jobs than lying for their governments - the only real job many physicists can get apart from being low paid school physic teachers - and by mainstream media that are experts in publishing fake info or news or what they call it.

Rambling insane nonsense:
10 000's of fake (but secret) atomic bombs have since 1945 been built, transported around, mishandled, dropped by mistake, we are told, but none has ever exploded. Reason is that a real atomic bomb cannot explode.

I could go on. But all it is are the ramblings of a lunatic lone conspiracy theorist who desperately needs some meds. Rambling after rambling, no evidence. Like one of those crazy people standing on a corner shouting out crazed opinions about anyone and everything. And passerby's just avoid and ignore the lunatic. That's why the bot has been banned everywhere else across the net and most likely why Safety at Sea hasn't had any customers in decades. It's really quite sad.

Good. You have read what I have written. Progress!  So just show I am wrong, and that I am not a lunatic lone conspiracy theorist who desperately needs some meds, as you suggest.
I am serious and in good shape.

Already been done by countless people, countless times, across all of the forums you've been banned from for being a lunatic lone conspiracy theorist who desperately needs some meds.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on April 06, 2022, 02:15:17 PM
So explosive fission is not secret any more and anyone can do/start it today.
It's not a secret any more, but it is still very difficult and very dangerous to do.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 06, 2022, 07:58:15 PM
So explosive fission is not secret any more and anyone can do/start it today.
It's not a secret any more, but it is still very difficult and very dangerous to do.
It is complete nonsense!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 07, 2022, 12:45:30 AM
So explosive fission is not secret any more and anyone can do/start it today.
It's not a secret any more, but it is still very difficult and very dangerous to do.
It is complete nonsense!

Says who?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 07, 2022, 03:01:57 AM
So explosive fission is not secret any more and anyone can do/start it today.
It's not a secret any more, but it is still very difficult and very dangerous to do.
It is complete nonsense!
Says who?
Topic is, if nuclear bombs exist, and many military and scientific experts suggest they do based on info/news from 1945 to this effect.  I have looked at it and found that the info/news then was just propaganda by interested parties. It is quite easy to fool people about anything.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Calen on April 07, 2022, 04:22:00 AM
So explosive fission is not secret any more and anyone can do/start it today.
It's not a secret any more, but it is still very difficult and very dangerous to do.
It is complete nonsense!
Says who?
Topic is, if nuclear bombs exist, and many military and scientific experts suggest they do based on info/news from 1945 to this effect.  I have looked at it and found that the info/news then was just propaganda by interested parties. It is quite easy to fool people about anything.

It certainly is.

Your disbelief is based upon info/news from 1945.

1945

That needed repeating.

At that time the number of people who understood the science could be counted on a couple of hands. The knowledge was unavailable to the wider scientific community, being highly classified.

As there had only been two detonations at that point, data was scant.  Had a scientist with no knowledge of weapons managed to gather data, it would have made little sense.

This means that early detonations were unverifiable by any external organisation or individual.

Things have changed since then. Many millions now understand the science behind fission. They have the means and ability to gather data independently, analyse it, and independently verify the existence of nuclear detonations. This can be done via the daughter isotopes created during a fission explosion.

As usual, you take one source (I use that term liberally; perhaps fabrication would be a better word), and utterly ignore any evidence of the contrary, even when that evidence is overwhelming and has been repeatedly, independently verified.

The very definition of ignorant.

Are you ignorant, Heiwa, or just a bullshitter for kicks?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 07, 2022, 05:24:33 AM
So explosive fission is not secret any more and anyone can do/start it today.
It's not a secret any more, but it is still very difficult and very dangerous to do.
It is complete nonsense!
Says who?
Topic is, if nuclear bombs exist, and many military and scientific experts suggest they do based on info/news from 1945 to this effect.  I have looked at it and found that the info/news then was just propaganda by interested parties. It is quite easy to fool people about anything.

It certainly is.

Your disbelief is based upon info/news from 1945.

1945

That needed repeating.

At that time the number of people who understood the science could be counted on a couple of hands. The knowledge was unavailable to the wider scientific community, being highly classified.

As there had only been two detonations at that point, data was scant.  Had a scientist with no knowledge of weapons managed to gather data, it would have made little sense.

This means that early detonations were unverifiable by any external organisation or individual.

Things have changed since then. Many millions now understand the science behind fission. They have the means and ability to gather data independently, analyse it, and independently verify the existence of nuclear detonations. This can be done via the daughter isotopes created during a fission explosion.

As usual, you take one source (I use that term liberally; perhaps fabrication would be a better word), and utterly ignore any evidence of the contrary, even when that evidence is overwhelming and has been repeatedly, independently verified.

The very definition of ignorant.

Are you ignorant, Heiwa, or just a bullshitter for kicks?
Thanks for asking. Answer is simple. The topic has been discussed in my family since 1945, when Niels Bohr returned from Los Alamos to collect his trunk he had forgotten at my mother's house. I have also discussed with Manne Siegbahn that 1945 accepted the Swedish government offer to build a Swedish a-bomb subject there should be no secrets of any kind. The offer was withdrawn and Manne continued his own nuclear research, etc, etc. Later I worked in Japan for many years and met people from Hiroshima and Nagasaki that told me their towns were just napalm-carpet bombed leaving the shipyards intact! And then 1999 I met EM whose father had assisted Stalin, Beria and Serov to build a Soviet (fake) a-bomb with Uranium from Saxony, where there were no Uranium (only 0.1% uranium oxide in some old ore from silver mines). The fake Stalin a-bomb 'exploded' 1949. It was just propaganda. We spent time to verify the Saxon mines. No Uranium. Present Russian president Putin spent 1985/9 in Saxony to maintain the lies! So nukes are just bullshit since 1945. Don't blame me for it.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Calen on April 07, 2022, 05:36:56 AM
As I suspected, a bullshitter.

Essentially, your evidence is a bunch of people, who by virtue of being dead, can neither confirm or deny you.  It's all entirely heresay.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 07, 2022, 05:48:22 AM
As I suspected, a bullshitter.

Essentially, your evidence is a bunch of people, who by virtue of being dead, can neither confirm or deny you.  It's all entirely heresay.
Actually all people that were fucking around a Los Alamos 1943/5 building two types a-bombs are long dead. I only met one and he couldn't explain anything as 1945 it was military top secret killing 100% civilians at Hiroshima and Nagasaki with the nano-second FLASH a-bombs.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on April 07, 2022, 06:04:16 AM
As I suspected, a bullshitter.

Essentially, your evidence is a bunch of people, who by virtue of being dead, can neither confirm or deny you.  It's all entirely heresay.
Actually all people that were fucking around a Los Alamos 1943/5 building two types a-bombs are long dead. I only met one and he couldn't explain anything as 1945 it was military top secret killing 100% civilians at Hiroshima and Nagasaki with the nano-second FLASH a-bombs.

You weren't around in 1945.  You weren't even born yet.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 07, 2022, 08:23:21 AM
As I suspected, a bullshitter.

Essentially, your evidence is a bunch of people, who by virtue of being dead, can neither confirm or deny you.  It's all entirely heresay.
Actually all people that were fucking around a Los Alamos 1943/5 building two types a-bombs are long dead. I only met one and he couldn't explain anything as 1945 it was military top secret killing 100% civilians at Hiroshima and Nagasaki with the nano-second FLASH a-bombs.

You weren't around in 1945.  You weren't even born yet.
You are right. I just grow up with atomic bombs that could destroy the world, etc, etc. Until I found out it was bullshit.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 07, 2022, 12:26:24 PM
...and met people from Hiroshima and Nagasaki that told me their towns were just napalm-carpet bombed leaving the shipyards intact!

Why do you lie?

The Nagasaki Atomic Bomb Damage Records (https://www.peace-nagasaki.go.jp/abombrecords/b020202.html)
4) Mitsubishi Nagasaki Shipyard
The buildings of the Mitsubishi Nagasaki Shipyard were categorized into three damage levels: “completely destroyed,” “completely destroyed and completely burned” and “completely burned.” These include the following factories and facilities:
Ship Type Test Station (1.7 kilometers north-northeast of the hypocenter, Yonogō)
Takenokubo sawmill (1.7 kilometers south of the hypocenter, Takenokubo-machi)
Saiwaimachi factory (1.7 kilometers south of the hypocenter, Saiwai-machi 1-chōme)
Ōhashi components factory (1.1 kilometers north of the hypocenter, Ōhashi-machi)

Other facilities located in the main compound of the Mitsubishi Nagasaki Shipyard in Akunoura, Mukaishima, and Tategami sustained extensive damage to their roofs and windows.
The damage to machinery is outlined below.

(https://i.imgur.com/yqKGo3q.png)

Of the victims in the Mitsubishi Nagasaki Shipyard’s list of victims compiled on June 13, 1951, fatalities from the atomic bombing totaled 1,815, which is currently regarded as the final number. 14
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on April 07, 2022, 02:24:57 PM
So explosive fission is not secret any more and anyone can do/start it today.
It's not a secret any more, but it is still very difficult and very dangerous to do.
It is complete nonsense!
Just because it doesn't make any sense to you doesn't mean that it doesn't make sense to others.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 07, 2022, 10:57:49 PM
So explosive fission is not secret any more and anyone can do/start it today.
It's not a secret any more, but it is still very difficult and very dangerous to do.
It is complete nonsense!
Just because it doesn't make any sense to you doesn't mean that it doesn't make sense to others.
You are right. You simply do not understand.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 08, 2022, 08:13:36 AM
So explosive fission is not secret any more and anyone can do/start it today.
It's not a secret any more, but it is still very difficult and very dangerous to do.
It is complete nonsense!
Just because it doesn't make any sense to you doesn't mean that it doesn't make sense to others.
You are right. You simply do not understand.

Considering thousands of scientists seem to understand and with mountains of evidence and none to the contrary and only one lone conspiracy theorist thinks they are all wrong just because Niels Bohr wouldn't tell him how a nuclear bomb explodes, I'm gonna have to go with it's the one lone conspiracy theorist that doesn't understand. Simple logic.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on April 08, 2022, 08:24:20 AM
You mean Manne Siegbahn? He told me 1964 not to study nuclear physics  and atomic bomb design as a professional career.

After reading your posts here I have to say he was right, you really shouldn't be studying nuclear physics.  That was a good call.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 08, 2022, 08:30:10 AM
So explosive fission is not secret any more and anyone can do/start it today.
It's not a secret any more, but it is still very difficult and very dangerous to do.
It is complete nonsense!
Just because it doesn't make any sense to you doesn't mean that it doesn't make sense to others.
You are right. You simply do not understand.

Considering thousands of scientists seem to understand and with mountains of evidence and none to the contrary and only one lone conspiracy theorist thinks they are all wrong just because Niels Bohr wouldn't tell him how a nuclear bomb explodes, I'm gonna have to go with it's the one lone conspiracy theorist that doesn't understand. Simple logic.
I have talked to some living nuclear scientists offering them €1M to explain "explosive" fission but none have accepted.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on April 08, 2022, 08:31:34 AM
So explosive fission is not secret any more and anyone can do/start it today.
It's not a secret any more, but it is still very difficult and very dangerous to do.
It is complete nonsense!
Just because it doesn't make any sense to you doesn't mean that it doesn't make sense to others.
You are right. You simply do not understand.

Considering thousands of scientists seem to understand and with mountains of evidence and none to the contrary and only one lone conspiracy theorist thinks they are all wrong just because Niels Bohr wouldn't tell him how a nuclear bomb explodes, I'm gonna have to go with it's the one lone conspiracy theorist that doesn't understand. Simple logic.
I have talked to some living nuclear scientists offering them €1M to explain "explosive" fission but none have accepted.

1) They don't indulge conspiracy theorists.
2) They know you don't have the money.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 08, 2022, 09:34:28 AM
So explosive fission is not secret any more and anyone can do/start it today.
It's not a secret any more, but it is still very difficult and very dangerous to do.
It is complete nonsense!
Just because it doesn't make any sense to you doesn't mean that it doesn't make sense to others.
You are right. You simply do not understand.

Considering thousands of scientists seem to understand and with mountains of evidence and none to the contrary and only one lone conspiracy theorist thinks they are all wrong just because Niels Bohr wouldn't tell him how a nuclear bomb explodes, I'm gonna have to go with it's the one lone conspiracy theorist that doesn't understand. Simple logic.
I have talked to some living nuclear scientists offering them €1M to explain "explosive" fission but none have accepted.

1) They don't indulge conspiracy theorists.
2) They know you don't have the money.
LOL
1. They contacted me suggesting I am wrong. But couldn't prove it.
2. They are simply wrong about my money.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 08, 2022, 10:50:00 AM
So explosive fission is not secret any more and anyone can do/start it today.
It's not a secret any more, but it is still very difficult and very dangerous to do.
It is complete nonsense!
Just because it doesn't make any sense to you doesn't mean that it doesn't make sense to others.
You are right. You simply do not understand.

Considering thousands of scientists seem to understand and with mountains of evidence and none to the contrary and only one lone conspiracy theorist thinks they are all wrong just because Niels Bohr wouldn't tell him how a nuclear bomb explodes, I'm gonna have to go with it's the one lone conspiracy theorist that doesn't understand. Simple logic.
I have talked to some living nuclear scientists offering them €1M to explain "explosive" fission but none have accepted.

1) They don't indulge conspiracy theorists.
2) They know you don't have the money.
LOL
1. They contacted me suggesting I am wrong. But couldn't prove it.

Prove that they contacted you.

2. They are simply wrong about my money.

Prove that you have the money. That would be €5,000,000 for your five "challenges", right?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Alexei on April 08, 2022, 11:11:13 AM
Ask Japan if Nuclear bombs exist. They should know if it does.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on April 08, 2022, 02:14:57 PM
1. They contacted me suggesting I am wrong. But couldn't prove it.
Just because you didn't believe them doesn't mean that they didn't prove it.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 08, 2022, 06:41:29 PM
1. They contacted me suggesting I am wrong. But couldn't prove it.
Just because you didn't believe them doesn't mean that they didn't prove it.

You should remember that the atomic bomb hoax/deception was created 1945 to quickly end world war 2 without an invasion of Japan. You should learn from history and what really happened. I just describe it in writing at my website. Imagine Japan just surrendered and USA won without a fight.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on April 08, 2022, 09:15:10 PM
You should remember that the atomic bomb hoax/deception was created 1945 to quickly end world war 2 without an invasion of Japan.
Residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki thought that the atomic bombs were real.

You should learn from history and what really happened.
History says that fission and fusion bombs are real.

I just describe it in writing at my website. Imagine Japan just surrendered and USA won without a fight.
As I understand it, Japan put up one hell of a fight in the Pacific.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 08, 2022, 10:24:22 PM
You should remember that the atomic bomb hoax/deception was created 1945 to quickly end world war 2 without an invasion of Japan.
Residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki thought that the atomic bombs were real.

You should learn from history and what really happened.
History says that fission and fusion bombs are real.

I just describe it in writing at my website. Imagine Japan just surrendered and USA won without a fight.
As I understand it, Japan put up one hell of a fight in the Pacific.
All fake news 1945!
Residents at Hiroshima and Nagasaki just saw napalm carpet bombings by US planes.
Explosive fission doesn't exist. Dr. Oppenheimer & Co. just invented it.
Japan surrendered without a fight 15/16 August. It was very popular. All were very happy.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 08, 2022, 11:37:57 PM
You should remember that the atomic bomb hoax/deception was created 1945 to quickly end world war 2 without an invasion of Japan.
Residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki thought that the atomic bombs were real.

You should learn from history and what really happened.
History says that fission and fusion bombs are real.

I just describe it in writing at my website. Imagine Japan just surrendered and USA won without a fight.
As I understand it, Japan put up one hell of a fight in the Pacific.
All fake news 1945!
Residents at Hiroshima and Nagasaki just saw napalm carpet bombings by US planes.
Explosive fission doesn't exist. Dr. Oppenheimer & Co. just invented it.
Japan surrendered without a fight 15/16 August. It was very popular. All were very happy.
No they didn’t, there were HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of witnesses to what happened, saying that they’ve all been quiet up to this time is beyond absurd.
In addition nuclear tests were done close enough to Vegas for the mushroom clouds to be visible from the city. There are even photos of the event.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 09, 2022, 12:43:58 AM
You should remember that the atomic bomb hoax/deception was created 1945 to quickly end world war 2 without an invasion of Japan.
Residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki thought that the atomic bombs were real.

You should learn from history and what really happened.
History says that fission and fusion bombs are real.

I just describe it in writing at my website. Imagine Japan just surrendered and USA won without a fight.
As I understand it, Japan put up one hell of a fight in the Pacific.
All fake news 1945!
Residents at Hiroshima and Nagasaki just saw napalm carpet bombings by US planes.
Explosive fission doesn't exist. Dr. Oppenheimer & Co. just invented it.
Japan surrendered without a fight 15/16 August. It was very popular. All were very happy.
No they didn’t, there were HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of witnesses to what happened, saying that they’ve all been quiet up to this time is beyond absurd.
In addition nuclear tests were done close enough to Vegas for the mushroom clouds to be visible from the city. There are even photos of the event.
You still do not understand. USA and Japan agreed to end the war 1945 and to fake two 'atomic' bomb attacks. USA had already destroyed >60 cities by napalm bombings and Japan had had enough. Media was censored. US atomic bomb research had failed. Re Vegas as a little boy I loved to mix chemicals to produce bombs. All my bombs produced nice mushroom clouds of black smoke. USA occupied Japan until 1953 and anyone in Japan suggesting that a-bombs were a hoax was shot at sight.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 09, 2022, 01:48:43 PM
You should remember that the atomic bomb hoax/deception was created 1945 to quickly end world war 2 without an invasion of Japan.
Residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki thought that the atomic bombs were real.

You should learn from history and what really happened.
History says that fission and fusion bombs are real.

I just describe it in writing at my website. Imagine Japan just surrendered and USA won without a fight.
As I understand it, Japan put up one hell of a fight in the Pacific.
All fake news 1945!
Residents at Hiroshima and Nagasaki just saw napalm carpet bombings by US planes.
Explosive fission doesn't exist. Dr. Oppenheimer & Co. just invented it.
Japan surrendered without a fight 15/16 August. It was very popular. All were very happy.
No they didn’t, there were HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of witnesses to what happened, saying that they’ve all been quiet up to this time is beyond absurd.
In addition nuclear tests were done close enough to Vegas for the mushroom clouds to be visible from the city. There are even photos of the event.
You still do not understand. USA and Japan agreed to end the war 1945 and to fake two 'atomic' bomb attacks.

What's the evidence for this? There's no evidence on your site that the "USA and Japan agreed to end the war 1945 and to fake two 'atomic' bomb attacks." Was there some sort of secret agreement? If so, where can I find it?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Bullwinkle on April 09, 2022, 01:59:42 PM

Of course I have studied fission but . . . . . . . . .


Once an idiot announces "BUT" they have proclaimed a loss.







Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on April 09, 2022, 03:34:14 PM
Was there some sort of secret agreement? If so, where can I find it?
If you could find it, then it wouldn't be a secret, would it?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 09, 2022, 04:42:31 PM
Was there some sort of secret agreement? If so, where can I find it?
If you could find it, then it wouldn't be a secret, would it?

Was. I'm assuming that there is a document out there or some other evidence that Heiwa found that i can't. Perhaps it's no longer a secret, this agreement he speaks of, and I'm just not aware of it.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 09, 2022, 08:10:44 PM
You should remember that the atomic bomb hoax/deception was created 1945 to quickly end world war 2 without an invasion of Japan.
Residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki thought that the atomic bombs were real.

You should learn from history and what really happened.
History says that fission and fusion bombs are real.

I just describe it in writing at my website. Imagine Japan just surrendered and USA won without a fight.
As I understand it, Japan put up one hell of a fight in the Pacific.
All fake news 1945!
Residents at Hiroshima and Nagasaki just saw napalm carpet bombings by US planes.
Explosive fission doesn't exist. Dr. Oppenheimer & Co. just invented it.
Japan surrendered without a fight 15/16 August. It was very popular. All were very happy.
No they didn’t, there were HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of witnesses to what happened, saying that they’ve all been quiet up to this time is beyond absurd.
In addition nuclear tests were done close enough to Vegas for the mushroom clouds to be visible from the city. There are even photos of the event.
You still do not understand. USA and Japan agreed to end the war 1945 and to fake two 'atomic' bomb attacks.

What's the evidence for this? There's no evidence on your site that the "USA and Japan agreed to end the war 1945 and to fake two 'atomic' bomb attacks." Was there some sort of secret agreement? If so, where can I find it?
Just study the History 1945. US censorship in Japan 1945/53 helped a lot!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 09, 2022, 10:31:00 PM
You should remember that the atomic bomb hoax/deception was created 1945 to quickly end world war 2 without an invasion of Japan.
Residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki thought that the atomic bombs were real.

You should learn from history and what really happened.
History says that fission and fusion bombs are real.

I just describe it in writing at my website. Imagine Japan just surrendered and USA won without a fight.
As I understand it, Japan put up one hell of a fight in the Pacific.
All fake news 1945!
Residents at Hiroshima and Nagasaki just saw napalm carpet bombings by US planes.
Explosive fission doesn't exist. Dr. Oppenheimer & Co. just invented it.
Japan surrendered without a fight 15/16 August. It was very popular. All were very happy.
No they didn’t, there were HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of witnesses to what happened, saying that they’ve all been quiet up to this time is beyond absurd.
In addition nuclear tests were done close enough to Vegas for the mushroom clouds to be visible from the city. There are even photos of the event.
You still do not understand. USA and Japan agreed to end the war 1945 and to fake two 'atomic' bomb attacks.

What's the evidence for this? There's no evidence on your site that the "USA and Japan agreed to end the war 1945 and to fake two 'atomic' bomb attacks." Was there some sort of secret agreement? If so, where can I find it?
Just study the History 1945. US censorship in Japan 1945/53 helped a lot!

I have studied the history and there's no reference to "USA and Japan agreed to end the war 1945 and to fake two 'atomic' bomb attacks." And there's no evidence for it on your site. So where did this information come from? Or did you just make it up?

The US occupied Japan from '45-'52. In that occupation, the Allies heavily censored Japanese media to cover up how shittily we were treating the Japanese. Lots of reported rapes by service men and other human rights violations and violence. The censorship was for all of that and had nothing to with bombs. So all that you write is a moot point. Neither here nor there.

Now, where did this information come from and where is it regarding a secret deal between the US and Japan to fake the bombs?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 09, 2022, 11:32:55 PM
You should remember that the atomic bomb hoax/deception was created 1945 to quickly end world war 2 without an invasion of Japan.
Residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki thought that the atomic bombs were real.

You should learn from history and what really happened.
History says that fission and fusion bombs are real.

I just describe it in writing at my website. Imagine Japan just surrendered and USA won without a fight.
As I understand it, Japan put up one hell of a fight in the Pacific.
All fake news 1945!
Residents at Hiroshima and Nagasaki just saw napalm carpet bombings by US planes.
Explosive fission doesn't exist. Dr. Oppenheimer & Co. just invented it.
Japan surrendered without a fight 15/16 August. It was very popular. All were very happy.
No they didn’t, there were HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of witnesses to what happened, saying that they’ve all been quiet up to this time is beyond absurd.
In addition nuclear tests were done close enough to Vegas for the mushroom clouds to be visible from the city. There are even photos of the event.
You still do not understand. USA and Japan agreed to end the war 1945 and to fake two 'atomic' bomb attacks.

What's the evidence for this? There's no evidence on your site that the "USA and Japan agreed to end the war 1945 and to fake two 'atomic' bomb attacks." Was there some sort of secret agreement? If so, where can I find it?
Just study the History 1945. US censorship in Japan 1945/53 helped a lot!

I have studied the history and there's no reference to "USA and Japan agreed to end the war 1945 and to fake two 'atomic' bomb attacks." And there's no evidence for it on your site. So where did this information come from? Or did you just make it up?

The US occupied Japan from '45-'52. In that occupation, the Allies heavily censored Japanese media to cover up how shittily we were treating the Japanese. Lots of reported rapes by service men and other human rights violations and violence. The censorship was for all of that and had nothing to with bombs. So all that you write is a moot point. Neither here nor there.

Now, where did this information come from and where is it regarding a secret deal between the US and Japan to fake the bombs?
What kind of history have you studied? Aha, the winners'!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 10, 2022, 01:28:18 AM
You should remember that the atomic bomb hoax/deception was created 1945 to quickly end world war 2 without an invasion of Japan.
Residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki thought that the atomic bombs were real.

You should learn from history and what really happened.
History says that fission and fusion bombs are real.

I just describe it in writing at my website. Imagine Japan just surrendered and USA won without a fight.
As I understand it, Japan put up one hell of a fight in the Pacific.
All fake news 1945!
Residents at Hiroshima and Nagasaki just saw napalm carpet bombings by US planes.
Explosive fission doesn't exist. Dr. Oppenheimer & Co. just invented it.
Japan surrendered without a fight 15/16 August. It was very popular. All were very happy.
No they didn’t, there were HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of witnesses to what happened, saying that they’ve all been quiet up to this time is beyond absurd.
In addition nuclear tests were done close enough to Vegas for the mushroom clouds to be visible from the city. There are even photos of the event.
You still do not understand. USA and Japan agreed to end the war 1945 and to fake two 'atomic' bomb attacks.

What's the evidence for this? There's no evidence on your site that the "USA and Japan agreed to end the war 1945 and to fake two 'atomic' bomb attacks." Was there some sort of secret agreement? If so, where can I find it?
Just study the History 1945. US censorship in Japan 1945/53 helped a lot!

I have studied the history and there's no reference to "USA and Japan agreed to end the war 1945 and to fake two 'atomic' bomb attacks." And there's no evidence for it on your site. So where did this information come from? Or did you just make it up?

The US occupied Japan from '45-'52. In that occupation, the Allies heavily censored Japanese media to cover up how shittily we were treating the Japanese. Lots of reported rapes by service men and other human rights violations and violence. The censorship was for all of that and had nothing to with bombs. So all that you write is a moot point. Neither here nor there.

Now, where did this information come from and where is it regarding a secret deal between the US and Japan to fake the bombs?
What kind of history have you studied? Aha, the winners'!

Then produce the history you studied because it sounds like history that's only in your head.

How is the well known mistreatment of the Japanese during the MacArthur occupation the favorable history of the winners?

Face it, you got nothing, just ideas in your head with made up conspiracy theories. No evidence, so you shouldn't even bother anymore. You just sound like a street corner barker with a tin foil hat, belching out bizarre rants that no one takes seriously.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 10, 2022, 04:16:03 AM
You should remember that the atomic bomb hoax/deception was created 1945 to quickly end world war 2 without an invasion of Japan.
Residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki thought that the atomic bombs were real.

You should learn from history and what really happened.
History says that fission and fusion bombs are real.

I just describe it in writing at my website. Imagine Japan just surrendered and USA won without a fight.
As I understand it, Japan put up one hell of a fight in the Pacific.
All fake news 1945!
Residents at Hiroshima and Nagasaki just saw napalm carpet bombings by US planes.
Explosive fission doesn't exist. Dr. Oppenheimer & Co. just invented it.
Japan surrendered without a fight 15/16 August. It was very popular. All were very happy.
No they didn’t, there were HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of witnesses to what happened, saying that they’ve all been quiet up to this time is beyond absurd.
In addition nuclear tests were done close enough to Vegas for the mushroom clouds to be visible from the city. There are even photos of the event.
You still do not understand. USA and Japan agreed to end the war 1945 and to fake two 'atomic' bomb attacks. USA had already destroyed >60 cities by napalm bombings and Japan had had enough. Media was censored. US atomic bomb research had failed. Re Vegas as a little boy I loved to mix chemicals to produce bombs. All my bombs produced nice mushroom clouds of black smoke. USA occupied Japan until 1953 and anyone in Japan suggesting that a-bombs were a hoax was shot at sight.

Again, hundreds of thousands of witnesses, over a hundred thousand of which are still alive today.
In addition nuclear tests were done close enough to Vegas for the mushroom clouds to be visible from the city. There are even photos of the event.

This is immense evidence.
Then we have stuff like starfish prime.

There are the Vela satellites, as the whole motive for their launch was to detect soviet nuclear tests in space. These then discovered GRB's.


You on the other hand, have NOTHING.
Just claims of impossibility.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 10, 2022, 05:07:06 AM
You should remember that the atomic bomb hoax/deception was created 1945 to quickly end world war 2 without an invasion of Japan.
Residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki thought that the atomic bombs were real.

You should learn from history and what really happened.
History says that fission and fusion bombs are real.

I just describe it in writing at my website. Imagine Japan just surrendered and USA won without a fight.
As I understand it, Japan put up one hell of a fight in the Pacific.
All fake news 1945!
Residents at Hiroshima and Nagasaki just saw napalm carpet bombings by US planes.
Explosive fission doesn't exist. Dr. Oppenheimer & Co. just invented it.
Japan surrendered without a fight 15/16 August. It was very popular. All were very happy.
No they didn’t, there were HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of witnesses to what happened, saying that they’ve all been quiet up to this time is beyond absurd.
In addition nuclear tests were done close enough to Vegas for the mushroom clouds to be visible from the city. There are even photos of the event.
You still do not understand. USA and Japan agreed to end the war 1945 and to fake two 'atomic' bomb attacks. USA had already destroyed >60 cities by napalm bombings and Japan had had enough. Media was censored. US atomic bomb research had failed. Re Vegas as a little boy I loved to mix chemicals to produce bombs. All my bombs produced nice mushroom clouds of black smoke. USA occupied Japan until 1953 and anyone in Japan suggesting that a-bombs were a hoax was shot at sight.

Again, hundreds of thousands of witnesses, over a hundred thousand of which are still alive today.
In addition nuclear tests were done close enough to Vegas for the mushroom clouds to be visible from the city. There are even photos of the event.

This is immense evidence.
Then we have stuff like starfish prime.

There are the Vela satellites, as the whole motive for their launch was to detect soviet nuclear tests in space. These then discovered GRB's.


You on the other hand, have NOTHING.
Just claims of impossibility.
I arrived at Yokohama, Japan, spring 1972, to work and I wondered why there were only few buildings around at the center. Locals told me Yokohama was napalm carpet bombed May 1945 and showed me photos. They all looked like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then I started to think!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on April 10, 2022, 08:01:35 AM
I arrived at Yokohama, Japan, spring 1972, to work and I wondered why there were only few buildings around at the center. Locals told me Yokohama was napalm carpet bombed May 1945 and showed me photos. They all looked like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then I started to think!
Lots of different things look similar.  One big difference between napalm carpet bombing and atomic bombing is several hundred bombers.  Also, napalm carpet bombings were generally carried out at night while both atomic bombs were dropped during the daytime.  What do you think about that?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on April 10, 2022, 08:26:31 AM
I arrived at Yokohama, Japan, spring 1972, to work and I wondered why there were only few buildings around at the center. Locals told me Yokohama was napalm carpet bombed May 1945 and showed me photos. They all looked like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then I started to think!
Lots of different things look similar.  One big difference between napalm carpet bombing and atomic bombing is several hundred bombers.  Also, napalm carpet bombings were generally carried out at night while both atomic bombs were dropped during the daytime.  What do you think about that?

Let me try with my version of the Hewia bot.

"In 1945 big flashes of light seen during bright daylight by so called victims didn't happen. My mothers brothers uncles cousin told me all uranium is made of styrofoam as its impossible for metal to nuclearize lol"

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 10, 2022, 12:55:33 PM
I arrived at Yokohama, Japan, spring 1972, to work and I wondered why there were only few buildings around at the center. Locals told me Yokohama was napalm carpet bombed May 1945 and showed me photos. They all looked like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then I started to think!
Lots of different things look similar.  One big difference between napalm carpet bombing and atomic bombing is several hundred bombers.  Also, napalm carpet bombings were generally carried out at night while both atomic bombs were dropped during the daytime.  What do you think about that?

Let me try with my version of the Hewia bot.

"In 1945 big flashes of light seen during bright daylight by so called victims didn't happen. My mothers brothers uncles cousin told me all uranium is made of styrofoam as its impossible for metal to nuclearize lol"
Well, USSR dictator Stalin decided 1945 that he too must have an a-bomb. But Russia had no uranium so Stalin built his (fake) bomb with (fake) uranium from Germany and Wismuth AG of Saxony and friends of mine there. The Stalin a-bomb exploded 1949.  But it was just propaganda. Russian president Putin's first job in Saxony 1985/90 was to carry on the show. I explain more at my web site.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Calen on April 10, 2022, 01:02:52 PM
Well, USSR dictator Stalin decided 1945 that he too must have an a-bomb. But Russia had no uranium so Stalin built his (fake) bomb with (fake) uranium from Germany and Wismuth AG of Saxony and friends of mine there. The Stalin a-bomb exploded 1949.  But it was just propaganda. Russian president Putin's first job in Saxony 1985/90 was to carry on the show. I explain more at my web site.

You mean the web site gob shite where you claim electrons do not exists?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 10, 2022, 02:30:01 PM
I arrived at Yokohama, Japan, spring 1972, to work and I wondered why there were only few buildings around at the center. Locals told me Yokohama was napalm carpet bombed May 1945 and showed me photos. They all looked like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then I started to think!
Lots of different things look similar.  One big difference between napalm carpet bombing and atomic bombing is several hundred bombers.  Also, napalm carpet bombings were generally carried out at night while both atomic bombs were dropped during the daytime.  What do you think about that?

Let me try with my version of the Hewia bot.

"In 1945 big flashes of light seen during bright daylight by so called victims didn't happen. My mothers brothers uncles cousin told me all uranium is made of styrofoam as its impossible for metal to nuclearize lol"
Well, USSR dictator Stalin decided 1945 that he too must have an a-bomb. But Russia had no uranium so Stalin built his (fake) bomb with (fake) uranium from Germany and Wismuth AG of Saxony and friends of mine there. The Stalin a-bomb exploded 1949.  But it was just propaganda. Russian president Putin's first job in Saxony 1985/90 was to carry on the show. I explain more at my web site.

Wrong, USSR got Uranium from many sources, not just Germany, and it's very well documented unlike what's inside your head:

The first Soviet uranium mine was established in Taboshar, present-day Tajikistan, and was producing at an annual rate of a few tons of uranium concentrate by May 1943.[43] Taboshar was the first of many officially secret Soviet closed cities related to uranium mining and production.[44]

The first Soviet uranium processing plant was established as the Leninabad Mining and Chemical Combine in Chkalovsk (present-day Buston, Ghafurov District), Tajikistan, and new production sites identified in relative proximity. This posed a need for labor, a need that Beria would fill with forced labor: tens of thousands of Gulag prisoners were brought to work in the mines, the processing plants, and related construction.

Domestic production was still insufficient when the Soviet F-1 reactor, which began operation in December 1946, was fueled using uranium confiscated from the remains of the German atomic bomb project. This uranium had been mined in the Belgian Congo, and the ore in Belgium fell into the hands of the Germans after their invasion and occupation of Belgium in 1940.
Further sources of uranium in the early years of the program were mines in East Germany (via the deceptively-named SAG Wismut), Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania (near Stei) and Poland. Boris Pregel sold 0.23 tonnes of uranium oxide to the Soviet Union during the war, with the authorisation of the U.S. Government.[45][46][47]
Eventually, large domestic sources were discovered in the Soviet Union (including those now in Kazakhstan).


The uranium for the Soviet nuclear weapons program came from mine production in the following countries,[48]
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Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 10, 2022, 07:20:38 PM
I arrived at Yokohama, Japan, spring 1972, to work and I wondered why there were only few buildings around at the center. Locals told me Yokohama was napalm carpet bombed May 1945 and showed me photos. They all looked like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then I started to think!
Lots of different things look similar.  One big difference between napalm carpet bombing and atomic bombing is several hundred bombers.  Also, napalm carpet bombings were generally carried out at night while both atomic bombs were dropped during the daytime.  What do you think about that?

Let me try with my version of the Hewia bot.

"In 1945 big flashes of light seen during bright daylight by so called victims didn't happen. My mothers brothers uncles cousin told me all uranium is made of styrofoam as its impossible for metal to nuclearize lol"
Well, USSR dictator Stalin decided 1945 that he too must have an a-bomb. But Russia had no uranium so Stalin built his (fake) bomb with (fake) uranium from Germany and Wismuth AG of Saxony and friends of mine there. The Stalin a-bomb exploded 1949.  But it was just propaganda. Russian president Putin's first job in Saxony 1985/90 was to carry on the show. I explain more at my web site.

Wrong, USSR got Uranium from many sources, not just Germany, and it's very well documented unlike what's inside your head:

The first Soviet uranium mine was established in Taboshar, present-day Tajikistan, and was producing at an annual rate of a few tons of uranium concentrate by May 1943.[43] Taboshar was the first of many officially secret Soviet closed cities related to uranium mining and production.[44]

The first Soviet uranium processing plant was established as the Leninabad Mining and Chemical Combine in Chkalovsk (present-day Buston, Ghafurov District), Tajikistan, and new production sites identified in relative proximity. This posed a need for labor, a need that Beria would fill with forced labor: tens of thousands of Gulag prisoners were brought to work in the mines, the processing plants, and related construction.

Domestic production was still insufficient when the Soviet F-1 reactor, which began operation in December 1946, was fueled using uranium confiscated from the remains of the German atomic bomb project. This uranium had been mined in the Belgian Congo, and the ore in Belgium fell into the hands of the Germans after their invasion and occupation of Belgium in 1940.
Further sources of uranium in the early years of the program were mines in East Germany (via the deceptively-named SAG Wismut), Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania (near Stei) and Poland. Boris Pregel sold 0.23 tonnes of uranium oxide to the Soviet Union during the war, with the authorisation of the U.S. Government.[45][46][47]
Eventually, large domestic sources were discovered in the Soviet Union (including those now in Kazakhstan).


The uranium for the Soviet nuclear weapons program came from mine production in the following countries,[48]
(https://i.imgur.com/h9dQh5V.png)
Thanks for disinformation. I just checked the Wismut AG uranium mines at Saxony, East Germany and they didn't produce any uranium for Stalin's a-bomb. Stalin was famous for his propaganda and the workers' paradise in the USSR until 1952.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 10, 2022, 08:32:49 PM
I arrived at Yokohama, Japan, spring 1972, to work and I wondered why there were only few buildings around at the center. Locals told me Yokohama was napalm carpet bombed May 1945 and showed me photos. They all looked like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then I started to think!
Lots of different things look similar.  One big difference between napalm carpet bombing and atomic bombing is several hundred bombers.  Also, napalm carpet bombings were generally carried out at night while both atomic bombs were dropped during the daytime.  What do you think about that?

Let me try with my version of the Hewia bot.

"In 1945 big flashes of light seen during bright daylight by so called victims didn't happen. My mothers brothers uncles cousin told me all uranium is made of styrofoam as its impossible for metal to nuclearize lol"
Well, USSR dictator Stalin decided 1945 that he too must have an a-bomb. But Russia had no uranium so Stalin built his (fake) bomb with (fake) uranium from Germany and Wismuth AG of Saxony and friends of mine there. The Stalin a-bomb exploded 1949.  But it was just propaganda. Russian president Putin's first job in Saxony 1985/90 was to carry on the show. I explain more at my web site.

Wrong, USSR got Uranium from many sources, not just Germany, and it's very well documented unlike what's inside your head:

The first Soviet uranium mine was established in Taboshar, present-day Tajikistan, and was producing at an annual rate of a few tons of uranium concentrate by May 1943.[43] Taboshar was the first of many officially secret Soviet closed cities related to uranium mining and production.[44]

The first Soviet uranium processing plant was established as the Leninabad Mining and Chemical Combine in Chkalovsk (present-day Buston, Ghafurov District), Tajikistan, and new production sites identified in relative proximity. This posed a need for labor, a need that Beria would fill with forced labor: tens of thousands of Gulag prisoners were brought to work in the mines, the processing plants, and related construction.

Domestic production was still insufficient when the Soviet F-1 reactor, which began operation in December 1946, was fueled using uranium confiscated from the remains of the German atomic bomb project. This uranium had been mined in the Belgian Congo, and the ore in Belgium fell into the hands of the Germans after their invasion and occupation of Belgium in 1940.
Further sources of uranium in the early years of the program were mines in East Germany (via the deceptively-named SAG Wismut), Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania (near Stei) and Poland. Boris Pregel sold 0.23 tonnes of uranium oxide to the Soviet Union during the war, with the authorisation of the U.S. Government.[45][46][47]
Eventually, large domestic sources were discovered in the Soviet Union (including those now in Kazakhstan).


The uranium for the Soviet nuclear weapons program came from mine production in the following countries,[48]
(https://i.imgur.com/h9dQh5V.png)
Thanks for disinformation. I just checked the Wismut AG uranium mines at Saxony, East Germany and they didn't produce any uranium for Stalin's a-bomb. Stalin was famous for his propaganda and the workers' paradise in the USSR until 1952.

How did you just check?

Wrong again:

1. URANIUM PRODUCTION IN EASTERN GERMANY
Between 1946 and 1990, Wismut produced a total of around 220,000 tonnes of uranium. During peak times, production exceeded 7000 tonnes per year. For subsequent processing, all uranium produced was delivered to the Soviet Union. Initially, the uranium produced was exclusively used for nuclear weapons; later it was also used for nuclear power plants.

From the Department of Effects and Risks of Ionizing and Non-Ionizing Radiation, Federal Office for Radiation Protection, Neuherberg, Germany: PD Dr. rer. hum. biol. Michaela Kreuzer, Dr. rer. nat. Veronika Deffner, Dr. phil. Maria Schnelzer, Dr. rer. nat. Nora Fenske:

Mortality in Underground Miners in a Former Uranium Ore Mine (https://www.aerzteblatt.de/int/archive/article/217485/Mortality-in-underground-miners-in-a-former-uranium-ore-mine-results-of-a-cohort-study-among-former-employees-of-Wismut-AG-in-Saxony-and-Thuringia)
Results of a Cohort Study Among Former Employees of Wismut AG in Saxony and Thuringia

More than 400 000 persons worked in the uranium mine in Saxony and Thuringia between 1946 and 1990. As employees of the Soviet, later Soviet-German incorporated company (SAG/SDAG) Wismut, they mined more than 230 000 tons of uranium ore (1) which was used to build Soviet nuclear weapons. The employees of Wismut were exposed to a variety of occupational risk factors, primarily the inhalation of radon and its progeny as well as silica dust (respirable crystalline silica), but also to uranium dust, arsenic and diesel exhaust. In addition, there was exposure to external gamma radiation, heat, vibration, and noise. Since in the early years, hardly any radiation protection and occupational health and safety measures were in place, the level of exposure to radon and silica dust was very high. In 1955, working conditions started to improve significantly and reached the level of international radiation protection standards by about 1971.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 10, 2022, 10:15:43 PM
I arrived at Yokohama, Japan, spring 1972, to work and I wondered why there were only few buildings around at the center. Locals told me Yokohama was napalm carpet bombed May 1945 and showed me photos. They all looked like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then I started to think!
Lots of different things look similar.  One big difference between napalm carpet bombing and atomic bombing is several hundred bombers.  Also, napalm carpet bombings were generally carried out at night while both atomic bombs were dropped during the daytime.  What do you think about that?

Let me try with my version of the Hewia bot.

"In 1945 big flashes of light seen during bright daylight by so called victims didn't happen. My mothers brothers uncles cousin told me all uranium is made of styrofoam as its impossible for metal to nuclearize lol"
Well, USSR dictator Stalin decided 1945 that he too must have an a-bomb. But Russia had no uranium so Stalin built his (fake) bomb with (fake) uranium from Germany and Wismuth AG of Saxony and friends of mine there. The Stalin a-bomb exploded 1949.  But it was just propaganda. Russian president Putin's first job in Saxony 1985/90 was to carry on the show. I explain more at my web site.

Wrong, USSR got Uranium from many sources, not just Germany, and it's very well documented unlike what's inside your head:

The first Soviet uranium mine was established in Taboshar, present-day Tajikistan, and was producing at an annual rate of a few tons of uranium concentrate by May 1943.[43] Taboshar was the first of many officially secret Soviet closed cities related to uranium mining and production.[44]

The first Soviet uranium processing plant was established as the Leninabad Mining and Chemical Combine in Chkalovsk (present-day Buston, Ghafurov District), Tajikistan, and new production sites identified in relative proximity. This posed a need for labor, a need that Beria would fill with forced labor: tens of thousands of Gulag prisoners were brought to work in the mines, the processing plants, and related construction.

Domestic production was still insufficient when the Soviet F-1 reactor, which began operation in December 1946, was fueled using uranium confiscated from the remains of the German atomic bomb project. This uranium had been mined in the Belgian Congo, and the ore in Belgium fell into the hands of the Germans after their invasion and occupation of Belgium in 1940.
Further sources of uranium in the early years of the program were mines in East Germany (via the deceptively-named SAG Wismut), Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania (near Stei) and Poland. Boris Pregel sold 0.23 tonnes of uranium oxide to the Soviet Union during the war, with the authorisation of the U.S. Government.[45][46][47]
Eventually, large domestic sources were discovered in the Soviet Union (including those now in Kazakhstan).


The uranium for the Soviet nuclear weapons program came from mine production in the following countries,[48]
(https://i.imgur.com/h9dQh5V.png)
Thanks for disinformation. I just checked the Wismut AG uranium mines at Saxony, East Germany and they didn't produce any uranium for Stalin's a-bomb. Stalin was famous for his propaganda and the workers' paradise in the USSR until 1952.

How did you just check?

Wrong again:

1. URANIUM PRODUCTION IN EASTERN GERMANY
Between 1946 and 1990, Wismut produced a total of around 220,000 tonnes of uranium. During peak times, production exceeded 7000 tonnes per year. For subsequent processing, all uranium produced was delivered to the Soviet Union. Initially, the uranium produced was exclusively used for nuclear weapons; later it was also used for nuclear power plants.

From the Department of Effects and Risks of Ionizing and Non-Ionizing Radiation, Federal Office for Radiation Protection, Neuherberg, Germany: PD Dr. rer. hum. biol. Michaela Kreuzer, Dr. rer. nat. Veronika Deffner, Dr. phil. Maria Schnelzer, Dr. rer. nat. Nora Fenske:

Mortality in Underground Miners in a Former Uranium Ore Mine (https://www.aerzteblatt.de/int/archive/article/217485/Mortality-in-underground-miners-in-a-former-uranium-ore-mine-results-of-a-cohort-study-among-former-employees-of-Wismut-AG-in-Saxony-and-Thuringia)
Results of a Cohort Study Among Former Employees of Wismut AG in Saxony and Thuringia

More than 400 000 persons worked in the uranium mine in Saxony and Thuringia between 1946 and 1990. As employees of the Soviet, later Soviet-German incorporated company (SAG/SDAG) Wismut, they mined more than 230 000 tons of uranium ore (1) which was used to build Soviet nuclear weapons. The employees of Wismut were exposed to a variety of occupational risk factors, primarily the inhalation of radon and its progeny as well as silica dust (respirable crystalline silica), but also to uranium dust, arsenic and diesel exhaust. In addition, there was exposure to external gamma radiation, heat, vibration, and noise. Since in the early years, hardly any radiation protection and occupational health and safety measures were in place, the level of exposure to radon and silica dust was very high. In 1955, working conditions started to improve significantly and reached the level of international radiation protection standards by about 1971.
Thanks for asking.
Do you really believe the information provided by East Germany and the USSR from the 1940/50s? Actually it was just propaganda to impress people. East Germany didn't mine any uranium ore at all.  Just ask the people involved that I did around 2000. A few got a cheap certificate that they had worked for the Peace at Wismut AG to put on the wall, but Wismut AG was just fantasy.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 10, 2022, 10:46:51 PM
I arrived at Yokohama, Japan, spring 1972, to work and I wondered why there were only few buildings around at the center. Locals told me Yokohama was napalm carpet bombed May 1945 and showed me photos. They all looked like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then I started to think!
Lots of different things look similar.  One big difference between napalm carpet bombing and atomic bombing is several hundred bombers.  Also, napalm carpet bombings were generally carried out at night while both atomic bombs were dropped during the daytime.  What do you think about that?

Let me try with my version of the Hewia bot.

"In 1945 big flashes of light seen during bright daylight by so called victims didn't happen. My mothers brothers uncles cousin told me all uranium is made of styrofoam as its impossible for metal to nuclearize lol"
Well, USSR dictator Stalin decided 1945 that he too must have an a-bomb. But Russia had no uranium so Stalin built his (fake) bomb with (fake) uranium from Germany and Wismuth AG of Saxony and friends of mine there. The Stalin a-bomb exploded 1949.  But it was just propaganda. Russian president Putin's first job in Saxony 1985/90 was to carry on the show. I explain more at my web site.

Wrong, USSR got Uranium from many sources, not just Germany, and it's very well documented unlike what's inside your head:

The first Soviet uranium mine was established in Taboshar, present-day Tajikistan, and was producing at an annual rate of a few tons of uranium concentrate by May 1943.[43] Taboshar was the first of many officially secret Soviet closed cities related to uranium mining and production.[44]

The first Soviet uranium processing plant was established as the Leninabad Mining and Chemical Combine in Chkalovsk (present-day Buston, Ghafurov District), Tajikistan, and new production sites identified in relative proximity. This posed a need for labor, a need that Beria would fill with forced labor: tens of thousands of Gulag prisoners were brought to work in the mines, the processing plants, and related construction.

Domestic production was still insufficient when the Soviet F-1 reactor, which began operation in December 1946, was fueled using uranium confiscated from the remains of the German atomic bomb project. This uranium had been mined in the Belgian Congo, and the ore in Belgium fell into the hands of the Germans after their invasion and occupation of Belgium in 1940.
Further sources of uranium in the early years of the program were mines in East Germany (via the deceptively-named SAG Wismut), Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania (near Stei) and Poland. Boris Pregel sold 0.23 tonnes of uranium oxide to the Soviet Union during the war, with the authorisation of the U.S. Government.[45][46][47]
Eventually, large domestic sources were discovered in the Soviet Union (including those now in Kazakhstan).


The uranium for the Soviet nuclear weapons program came from mine production in the following countries,[48]
(https://i.imgur.com/h9dQh5V.png)
Thanks for disinformation. I just checked the Wismut AG uranium mines at Saxony, East Germany and they didn't produce any uranium for Stalin's a-bomb. Stalin was famous for his propaganda and the workers' paradise in the USSR until 1952.

How did you just check?

Wrong again:

1. URANIUM PRODUCTION IN EASTERN GERMANY
Between 1946 and 1990, Wismut produced a total of around 220,000 tonnes of uranium. During peak times, production exceeded 7000 tonnes per year. For subsequent processing, all uranium produced was delivered to the Soviet Union. Initially, the uranium produced was exclusively used for nuclear weapons; later it was also used for nuclear power plants.

From the Department of Effects and Risks of Ionizing and Non-Ionizing Radiation, Federal Office for Radiation Protection, Neuherberg, Germany: PD Dr. rer. hum. biol. Michaela Kreuzer, Dr. rer. nat. Veronika Deffner, Dr. phil. Maria Schnelzer, Dr. rer. nat. Nora Fenske:

Mortality in Underground Miners in a Former Uranium Ore Mine (https://www.aerzteblatt.de/int/archive/article/217485/Mortality-in-underground-miners-in-a-former-uranium-ore-mine-results-of-a-cohort-study-among-former-employees-of-Wismut-AG-in-Saxony-and-Thuringia)
Results of a Cohort Study Among Former Employees of Wismut AG in Saxony and Thuringia

More than 400 000 persons worked in the uranium mine in Saxony and Thuringia between 1946 and 1990. As employees of the Soviet, later Soviet-German incorporated company (SAG/SDAG) Wismut, they mined more than 230 000 tons of uranium ore (1) which was used to build Soviet nuclear weapons. The employees of Wismut were exposed to a variety of occupational risk factors, primarily the inhalation of radon and its progeny as well as silica dust (respirable crystalline silica), but also to uranium dust, arsenic and diesel exhaust. In addition, there was exposure to external gamma radiation, heat, vibration, and noise. Since in the early years, hardly any radiation protection and occupational health and safety measures were in place, the level of exposure to radon and silica dust was very high. In 1955, working conditions started to improve significantly and reached the level of international radiation protection standards by about 1971.
Thanks for asking.
Do you really believe the information provided by East Germany and the USSR from the 1940/50s? Actually it was just propaganda to impress people. East Germany didn't mine any uranium ore at all.  Just ask the people involved that I did around 2000. A few got a cheap certificate that they had worked for the Peace at Wismut AG to put on the wall, but Wismut AG was just fantasy.

I think I'm going to go with the authors of the study, you know, these folks I referenced:

From the Department of Effects and Risks of Ionizing and Non-Ionizing Radiation, Federal Office for Radiation Protection, Neuherberg, Germany: PD Dr. rer. hum. biol. Michaela Kreuzer, Dr. rer. nat. Veronika Deffner, Dr. phil. Maria Schnelzer, Dr. rer. nat. Nora Fenske.

They actually did a study on the mortality rates among the 400k who worked at the Saxony Uranium mines from, you guessed it, Ionizing and Non-Ionizing Radiation exposure. They documented how lots of people actually died from their exposure in the mines. You kno, actual data, something you seem to not care about.
I'm gonna stick with them because there's zero reason or evidence to believe some lone conspiracy theorist, who has lied before, says he talked to a few people. I'm sure even you can see that the folks above have researched the scenario and are far more a reliable narrator than a lone conspiracy theorist. I mean that must make sense even to you considering you've done no research and they have a whole study devoted to it.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 10, 2022, 10:59:32 PM
I arrived at Yokohama, Japan, spring 1972, to work and I wondered why there were only few buildings around at the center. Locals told me Yokohama was napalm carpet bombed May 1945 and showed me photos. They all looked like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then I started to think!
Lots of different things look similar.  One big difference between napalm carpet bombing and atomic bombing is several hundred bombers.  Also, napalm carpet bombings were generally carried out at night while both atomic bombs were dropped during the daytime.  What do you think about that?

Let me try with my version of the Hewia bot.

"In 1945 big flashes of light seen during bright daylight by so called victims didn't happen. My mothers brothers uncles cousin told me all uranium is made of styrofoam as its impossible for metal to nuclearize lol"
Well, USSR dictator Stalin decided 1945 that he too must have an a-bomb. But Russia had no uranium so Stalin built his (fake) bomb with (fake) uranium from Germany and Wismuth AG of Saxony and friends of mine there. The Stalin a-bomb exploded 1949.  But it was just propaganda. Russian president Putin's first job in Saxony 1985/90 was to carry on the show. I explain more at my web site.

Wrong, USSR got Uranium from many sources, not just Germany, and it's very well documented unlike what's inside your head:

The first Soviet uranium mine was established in Taboshar, present-day Tajikistan, and was producing at an annual rate of a few tons of uranium concentrate by May 1943.[43] Taboshar was the first of many officially secret Soviet closed cities related to uranium mining and production.[44]

The first Soviet uranium processing plant was established as the Leninabad Mining and Chemical Combine in Chkalovsk (present-day Buston, Ghafurov District), Tajikistan, and new production sites identified in relative proximity. This posed a need for labor, a need that Beria would fill with forced labor: tens of thousands of Gulag prisoners were brought to work in the mines, the processing plants, and related construction.

Domestic production was still insufficient when the Soviet F-1 reactor, which began operation in December 1946, was fueled using uranium confiscated from the remains of the German atomic bomb project. This uranium had been mined in the Belgian Congo, and the ore in Belgium fell into the hands of the Germans after their invasion and occupation of Belgium in 1940.
Further sources of uranium in the early years of the program were mines in East Germany (via the deceptively-named SAG Wismut), Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania (near Stei) and Poland. Boris Pregel sold 0.23 tonnes of uranium oxide to the Soviet Union during the war, with the authorisation of the U.S. Government.[45][46][47]
Eventually, large domestic sources were discovered in the Soviet Union (including those now in Kazakhstan).


The uranium for the Soviet nuclear weapons program came from mine production in the following countries,[48]
(https://i.imgur.com/h9dQh5V.png)
Thanks for disinformation. I just checked the Wismut AG uranium mines at Saxony, East Germany and they didn't produce any uranium for Stalin's a-bomb. Stalin was famous for his propaganda and the workers' paradise in the USSR until 1952.

How did you just check?

Wrong again:

1. URANIUM PRODUCTION IN EASTERN GERMANY
Between 1946 and 1990, Wismut produced a total of around 220,000 tonnes of uranium. During peak times, production exceeded 7000 tonnes per year. For subsequent processing, all uranium produced was delivered to the Soviet Union. Initially, the uranium produced was exclusively used for nuclear weapons; later it was also used for nuclear power plants.

From the Department of Effects and Risks of Ionizing and Non-Ionizing Radiation, Federal Office for Radiation Protection, Neuherberg, Germany: PD Dr. rer. hum. biol. Michaela Kreuzer, Dr. rer. nat. Veronika Deffner, Dr. phil. Maria Schnelzer, Dr. rer. nat. Nora Fenske:

Mortality in Underground Miners in a Former Uranium Ore Mine (https://www.aerzteblatt.de/int/archive/article/217485/Mortality-in-underground-miners-in-a-former-uranium-ore-mine-results-of-a-cohort-study-among-former-employees-of-Wismut-AG-in-Saxony-and-Thuringia)
Results of a Cohort Study Among Former Employees of Wismut AG in Saxony and Thuringia

More than 400 000 persons worked in the uranium mine in Saxony and Thuringia between 1946 and 1990. As employees of the Soviet, later Soviet-German incorporated company (SAG/SDAG) Wismut, they mined more than 230 000 tons of uranium ore (1) which was used to build Soviet nuclear weapons. The employees of Wismut were exposed to a variety of occupational risk factors, primarily the inhalation of radon and its progeny as well as silica dust (respirable crystalline silica), but also to uranium dust, arsenic and diesel exhaust. In addition, there was exposure to external gamma radiation, heat, vibration, and noise. Since in the early years, hardly any radiation protection and occupational health and safety measures were in place, the level of exposure to radon and silica dust was very high. In 1955, working conditions started to improve significantly and reached the level of international radiation protection standards by about 1971.
Thanks for asking.
Do you really believe the information provided by East Germany and the USSR from the 1940/50s? Actually it was just propaganda to impress people. East Germany didn't mine any uranium ore at all.  Just ask the people involved that I did around 2000. A few got a cheap certificate that they had worked for the Peace at Wismut AG to put on the wall, but Wismut AG was just fantasy.

I think I'm going to go with the authors of the study, you know, these folks I referenced:

From the Department of Effects and Risks of Ionizing and Non-Ionizing Radiation, Federal Office for Radiation Protection, Neuherberg, Germany: PD Dr. rer. hum. biol. Michaela Kreuzer, Dr. rer. nat. Veronika Deffner, Dr. phil. Maria Schnelzer, Dr. rer. nat. Nora Fenske.

They actually did a study on the mortality rates among the 400k who worked at the Saxony Uranium mines from, you guessed it, Ionizing and Non-Ionizing Radiation exposure. They documented how lots of people actually died from their exposure in the mines. You kno, actual data, something you seem to not care about.
I'm gonna stick with them because there's zero reason or evidence to believe some lone conspiracy theorist, who has lied before, says he talked to a few people. I'm sure even you can see that the folks above have researched the scenario and are far more a reliable narrator than a lone conspiracy theorist. I mean that must make sense even to you considering you've done no research and they have a whole study devoted to it.
I don't trust your authors having studied the 400 000 Eastgerman Saxons working in the 20+ Wismut AG uranium mines 1946/90. I think they just made up the data to keep the fraud alive. Media call it Fake News!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 11, 2022, 02:16:53 AM
I arrived at Yokohama, Japan, spring 1972, to work and I wondered why there were only few buildings around at the center. Locals told me Yokohama was napalm carpet bombed May 1945 and showed me photos. They all looked like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then I started to think!
Lots of different things look similar.  One big difference between napalm carpet bombing and atomic bombing is several hundred bombers.  Also, napalm carpet bombings were generally carried out at night while both atomic bombs were dropped during the daytime.  What do you think about that?

Let me try with my version of the Hewia bot.

"In 1945 big flashes of light seen during bright daylight by so called victims didn't happen. My mothers brothers uncles cousin told me all uranium is made of styrofoam as its impossible for metal to nuclearize lol"
Well, USSR dictator Stalin decided 1945 that he too must have an a-bomb. But Russia had no uranium so Stalin built his (fake) bomb with (fake) uranium from Germany and Wismuth AG of Saxony and friends of mine there. The Stalin a-bomb exploded 1949.  But it was just propaganda. Russian president Putin's first job in Saxony 1985/90 was to carry on the show. I explain more at my web site.

Wrong, USSR got Uranium from many sources, not just Germany, and it's very well documented unlike what's inside your head:

The first Soviet uranium mine was established in Taboshar, present-day Tajikistan, and was producing at an annual rate of a few tons of uranium concentrate by May 1943.[43] Taboshar was the first of many officially secret Soviet closed cities related to uranium mining and production.[44]

The first Soviet uranium processing plant was established as the Leninabad Mining and Chemical Combine in Chkalovsk (present-day Buston, Ghafurov District), Tajikistan, and new production sites identified in relative proximity. This posed a need for labor, a need that Beria would fill with forced labor: tens of thousands of Gulag prisoners were brought to work in the mines, the processing plants, and related construction.

Domestic production was still insufficient when the Soviet F-1 reactor, which began operation in December 1946, was fueled using uranium confiscated from the remains of the German atomic bomb project. This uranium had been mined in the Belgian Congo, and the ore in Belgium fell into the hands of the Germans after their invasion and occupation of Belgium in 1940.
Further sources of uranium in the early years of the program were mines in East Germany (via the deceptively-named SAG Wismut), Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania (near Stei) and Poland. Boris Pregel sold 0.23 tonnes of uranium oxide to the Soviet Union during the war, with the authorisation of the U.S. Government.[45][46][47]
Eventually, large domestic sources were discovered in the Soviet Union (including those now in Kazakhstan).


The uranium for the Soviet nuclear weapons program came from mine production in the following countries,[48]
(https://i.imgur.com/h9dQh5V.png)
Thanks for disinformation. I just checked the Wismut AG uranium mines at Saxony, East Germany and they didn't produce any uranium for Stalin's a-bomb. Stalin was famous for his propaganda and the workers' paradise in the USSR until 1952.

How did you just check?

Wrong again:

1. URANIUM PRODUCTION IN EASTERN GERMANY
Between 1946 and 1990, Wismut produced a total of around 220,000 tonnes of uranium. During peak times, production exceeded 7000 tonnes per year. For subsequent processing, all uranium produced was delivered to the Soviet Union. Initially, the uranium produced was exclusively used for nuclear weapons; later it was also used for nuclear power plants.

From the Department of Effects and Risks of Ionizing and Non-Ionizing Radiation, Federal Office for Radiation Protection, Neuherberg, Germany: PD Dr. rer. hum. biol. Michaela Kreuzer, Dr. rer. nat. Veronika Deffner, Dr. phil. Maria Schnelzer, Dr. rer. nat. Nora Fenske:

Mortality in Underground Miners in a Former Uranium Ore Mine (https://www.aerzteblatt.de/int/archive/article/217485/Mortality-in-underground-miners-in-a-former-uranium-ore-mine-results-of-a-cohort-study-among-former-employees-of-Wismut-AG-in-Saxony-and-Thuringia)
Results of a Cohort Study Among Former Employees of Wismut AG in Saxony and Thuringia

More than 400 000 persons worked in the uranium mine in Saxony and Thuringia between 1946 and 1990. As employees of the Soviet, later Soviet-German incorporated company (SAG/SDAG) Wismut, they mined more than 230 000 tons of uranium ore (1) which was used to build Soviet nuclear weapons. The employees of Wismut were exposed to a variety of occupational risk factors, primarily the inhalation of radon and its progeny as well as silica dust (respirable crystalline silica), but also to uranium dust, arsenic and diesel exhaust. In addition, there was exposure to external gamma radiation, heat, vibration, and noise. Since in the early years, hardly any radiation protection and occupational health and safety measures were in place, the level of exposure to radon and silica dust was very high. In 1955, working conditions started to improve significantly and reached the level of international radiation protection standards by about 1971.
Thanks for asking.
Do you really believe the information provided by East Germany and the USSR from the 1940/50s? Actually it was just propaganda to impress people. East Germany didn't mine any uranium ore at all.  Just ask the people involved that I did around 2000. A few got a cheap certificate that they had worked for the Peace at Wismut AG to put on the wall, but Wismut AG was just fantasy.

I think I'm going to go with the authors of the study, you know, these folks I referenced:

From the Department of Effects and Risks of Ionizing and Non-Ionizing Radiation, Federal Office for Radiation Protection, Neuherberg, Germany: PD Dr. rer. hum. biol. Michaela Kreuzer, Dr. rer. nat. Veronika Deffner, Dr. phil. Maria Schnelzer, Dr. rer. nat. Nora Fenske.

They actually did a study on the mortality rates among the 400k who worked at the Saxony Uranium mines from, you guessed it, Ionizing and Non-Ionizing Radiation exposure. They documented how lots of people actually died from their exposure in the mines. You kno, actual data, something you seem to not care about.
I'm gonna stick with them because there's zero reason or evidence to believe some lone conspiracy theorist, who has lied before, says he talked to a few people. I'm sure even you can see that the folks above have researched the scenario and are far more a reliable narrator than a lone conspiracy theorist. I mean that must make sense even to you considering you've done no research and they have a whole study devoted to it.
I don't trust your authors having studied the 400 000 Eastgerman Saxons working in the 20+ Wismut AG uranium mines 1946/90. I think they just made up the data to keep the fraud alive. Media call it Fake News!

What you "think" is irrelevant. You have no evidence that they "made up" the data. Again, the study published in 2021 by the Department of Effects and Risks of Ionizing and Non-Ionizing Radiation, Federal Office for Radiation Protection, Neuherberg, Germany: PD Dr. rer. hum. biol. Michaela Kreuzer, Dr. rer. nat. Veronika Deffner, Dr. phil. Maria Schnelzer, Dr. rer. nat. Nora Fenske, is a far more reliable source than what a lone conspiracy theorist "thinks".

Sorry, you lose.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 11, 2022, 03:59:07 AM
I arrived at Yokohama, Japan, spring 1972, to work and I wondered why there were only few buildings around at the center. Locals told me Yokohama was napalm carpet bombed May 1945 and showed me photos. They all looked like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then I started to think!
Lots of different things look similar.  One big difference between napalm carpet bombing and atomic bombing is several hundred bombers.  Also, napalm carpet bombings were generally carried out at night while both atomic bombs were dropped during the daytime.  What do you think about that?

Let me try with my version of the Hewia bot.

"In 1945 big flashes of light seen during bright daylight by so called victims didn't happen. My mothers brothers uncles cousin told me all uranium is made of styrofoam as its impossible for metal to nuclearize lol"
Well, USSR dictator Stalin decided 1945 that he too must have an a-bomb. But Russia had no uranium so Stalin built his (fake) bomb with (fake) uranium from Germany and Wismuth AG of Saxony and friends of mine there. The Stalin a-bomb exploded 1949.  But it was just propaganda. Russian president Putin's first job in Saxony 1985/90 was to carry on the show. I explain more at my web site.

Wrong, USSR got Uranium from many sources, not just Germany, and it's very well documented unlike what's inside your head:

The first Soviet uranium mine was established in Taboshar, present-day Tajikistan, and was producing at an annual rate of a few tons of uranium concentrate by May 1943.[43] Taboshar was the first of many officially secret Soviet closed cities related to uranium mining and production.[44]

The first Soviet uranium processing plant was established as the Leninabad Mining and Chemical Combine in Chkalovsk (present-day Buston, Ghafurov District), Tajikistan, and new production sites identified in relative proximity. This posed a need for labor, a need that Beria would fill with forced labor: tens of thousands of Gulag prisoners were brought to work in the mines, the processing plants, and related construction.

Domestic production was still insufficient when the Soviet F-1 reactor, which began operation in December 1946, was fueled using uranium confiscated from the remains of the German atomic bomb project. This uranium had been mined in the Belgian Congo, and the ore in Belgium fell into the hands of the Germans after their invasion and occupation of Belgium in 1940.
Further sources of uranium in the early years of the program were mines in East Germany (via the deceptively-named SAG Wismut), Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania (near Stei) and Poland. Boris Pregel sold 0.23 tonnes of uranium oxide to the Soviet Union during the war, with the authorisation of the U.S. Government.[45][46][47]
Eventually, large domestic sources were discovered in the Soviet Union (including those now in Kazakhstan).


The uranium for the Soviet nuclear weapons program came from mine production in the following countries,[48]
(https://i.imgur.com/h9dQh5V.png)
Thanks for disinformation. I just checked the Wismut AG uranium mines at Saxony, East Germany and they didn't produce any uranium for Stalin's a-bomb. Stalin was famous for his propaganda and the workers' paradise in the USSR until 1952.

How did you just check?

Wrong again:

1. URANIUM PRODUCTION IN EASTERN GERMANY
Between 1946 and 1990, Wismut produced a total of around 220,000 tonnes of uranium. During peak times, production exceeded 7000 tonnes per year. For subsequent processing, all uranium produced was delivered to the Soviet Union. Initially, the uranium produced was exclusively used for nuclear weapons; later it was also used for nuclear power plants.

From the Department of Effects and Risks of Ionizing and Non-Ionizing Radiation, Federal Office for Radiation Protection, Neuherberg, Germany: PD Dr. rer. hum. biol. Michaela Kreuzer, Dr. rer. nat. Veronika Deffner, Dr. phil. Maria Schnelzer, Dr. rer. nat. Nora Fenske:

Mortality in Underground Miners in a Former Uranium Ore Mine (https://www.aerzteblatt.de/int/archive/article/217485/Mortality-in-underground-miners-in-a-former-uranium-ore-mine-results-of-a-cohort-study-among-former-employees-of-Wismut-AG-in-Saxony-and-Thuringia)
Results of a Cohort Study Among Former Employees of Wismut AG in Saxony and Thuringia

More than 400 000 persons worked in the uranium mine in Saxony and Thuringia between 1946 and 1990. As employees of the Soviet, later Soviet-German incorporated company (SAG/SDAG) Wismut, they mined more than 230 000 tons of uranium ore (1) which was used to build Soviet nuclear weapons. The employees of Wismut were exposed to a variety of occupational risk factors, primarily the inhalation of radon and its progeny as well as silica dust (respirable crystalline silica), but also to uranium dust, arsenic and diesel exhaust. In addition, there was exposure to external gamma radiation, heat, vibration, and noise. Since in the early years, hardly any radiation protection and occupational health and safety measures were in place, the level of exposure to radon and silica dust was very high. In 1955, working conditions started to improve significantly and reached the level of international radiation protection standards by about 1971.
Thanks for asking.
Do you really believe the information provided by East Germany and the USSR from the 1940/50s? Actually it was just propaganda to impress people. East Germany didn't mine any uranium ore at all.  Just ask the people involved that I did around 2000. A few got a cheap certificate that they had worked for the Peace at Wismut AG to put on the wall, but Wismut AG was just fantasy.

I think I'm going to go with the authors of the study, you know, these folks I referenced:

From the Department of Effects and Risks of Ionizing and Non-Ionizing Radiation, Federal Office for Radiation Protection, Neuherberg, Germany: PD Dr. rer. hum. biol. Michaela Kreuzer, Dr. rer. nat. Veronika Deffner, Dr. phil. Maria Schnelzer, Dr. rer. nat. Nora Fenske.

They actually did a study on the mortality rates among the 400k who worked at the Saxony Uranium mines from, you guessed it, Ionizing and Non-Ionizing Radiation exposure. They documented how lots of people actually died from their exposure in the mines. You kno, actual data, something you seem to not care about.
I'm gonna stick with them because there's zero reason or evidence to believe some lone conspiracy theorist, who has lied before, says he talked to a few people. I'm sure even you can see that the folks above have researched the scenario and are far more a reliable narrator than a lone conspiracy theorist. I mean that must make sense even to you considering you've done no research and they have a whole study devoted to it.
I don't trust your authors having studied the 400 000 Eastgerman Saxons working in the 20+ Wismut AG uranium mines 1946/90. I think they just made up the data to keep the fraud alive. Media call it Fake News!

And what evidence do you have of this claim?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 11, 2022, 04:05:12 AM
I arrived at Yokohama, Japan, spring 1972, to work and I wondered why there were only few buildings around at the center. Locals told me Yokohama was napalm carpet bombed May 1945 and showed me photos. They all looked like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then I started to think!
Lots of different things look similar.  One big difference between napalm carpet bombing and atomic bombing is several hundred bombers.  Also, napalm carpet bombings were generally carried out at night while both atomic bombs were dropped during the daytime.  What do you think about that?

Let me try with my version of the Hewia bot.

"In 1945 big flashes of light seen during bright daylight by so called victims didn't happen. My mothers brothers uncles cousin told me all uranium is made of styrofoam as its impossible for metal to nuclearize lol"
Well, USSR dictator Stalin decided 1945 that he too must have an a-bomb. But Russia had no uranium so Stalin built his (fake) bomb with (fake) uranium from Germany and Wismuth AG of Saxony and friends of mine there. The Stalin a-bomb exploded 1949.  But it was just propaganda. Russian president Putin's first job in Saxony 1985/90 was to carry on the show. I explain more at my web site.

Wrong, USSR got Uranium from many sources, not just Germany, and it's very well documented unlike what's inside your head:

The first Soviet uranium mine was established in Taboshar, present-day Tajikistan, and was producing at an annual rate of a few tons of uranium concentrate by May 1943.[43] Taboshar was the first of many officially secret Soviet closed cities related to uranium mining and production.[44]

The first Soviet uranium processing plant was established as the Leninabad Mining and Chemical Combine in Chkalovsk (present-day Buston, Ghafurov District), Tajikistan, and new production sites identified in relative proximity. This posed a need for labor, a need that Beria would fill with forced labor: tens of thousands of Gulag prisoners were brought to work in the mines, the processing plants, and related construction.

Domestic production was still insufficient when the Soviet F-1 reactor, which began operation in December 1946, was fueled using uranium confiscated from the remains of the German atomic bomb project. This uranium had been mined in the Belgian Congo, and the ore in Belgium fell into the hands of the Germans after their invasion and occupation of Belgium in 1940.
Further sources of uranium in the early years of the program were mines in East Germany (via the deceptively-named SAG Wismut), Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania (near Stei) and Poland. Boris Pregel sold 0.23 tonnes of uranium oxide to the Soviet Union during the war, with the authorisation of the U.S. Government.[45][46][47]
Eventually, large domestic sources were discovered in the Soviet Union (including those now in Kazakhstan).


The uranium for the Soviet nuclear weapons program came from mine production in the following countries,[48]
(https://i.imgur.com/h9dQh5V.png)
Thanks for disinformation. I just checked the Wismut AG uranium mines at Saxony, East Germany and they didn't produce any uranium for Stalin's a-bomb. Stalin was famous for his propaganda and the workers' paradise in the USSR until 1952.

How did you just check?

Wrong again:

1. URANIUM PRODUCTION IN EASTERN GERMANY
Between 1946 and 1990, Wismut produced a total of around 220,000 tonnes of uranium. During peak times, production exceeded 7000 tonnes per year. For subsequent processing, all uranium produced was delivered to the Soviet Union. Initially, the uranium produced was exclusively used for nuclear weapons; later it was also used for nuclear power plants.

From the Department of Effects and Risks of Ionizing and Non-Ionizing Radiation, Federal Office for Radiation Protection, Neuherberg, Germany: PD Dr. rer. hum. biol. Michaela Kreuzer, Dr. rer. nat. Veronika Deffner, Dr. phil. Maria Schnelzer, Dr. rer. nat. Nora Fenske:

Mortality in Underground Miners in a Former Uranium Ore Mine (https://www.aerzteblatt.de/int/archive/article/217485/Mortality-in-underground-miners-in-a-former-uranium-ore-mine-results-of-a-cohort-study-among-former-employees-of-Wismut-AG-in-Saxony-and-Thuringia)
Results of a Cohort Study Among Former Employees of Wismut AG in Saxony and Thuringia

More than 400 000 persons worked in the uranium mine in Saxony and Thuringia between 1946 and 1990. As employees of the Soviet, later Soviet-German incorporated company (SAG/SDAG) Wismut, they mined more than 230 000 tons of uranium ore (1) which was used to build Soviet nuclear weapons. The employees of Wismut were exposed to a variety of occupational risk factors, primarily the inhalation of radon and its progeny as well as silica dust (respirable crystalline silica), but also to uranium dust, arsenic and diesel exhaust. In addition, there was exposure to external gamma radiation, heat, vibration, and noise. Since in the early years, hardly any radiation protection and occupational health and safety measures were in place, the level of exposure to radon and silica dust was very high. In 1955, working conditions started to improve significantly and reached the level of international radiation protection standards by about 1971.
Thanks for asking.
Do you really believe the information provided by East Germany and the USSR from the 1940/50s? Actually it was just propaganda to impress people. East Germany didn't mine any uranium ore at all.  Just ask the people involved that I did around 2000. A few got a cheap certificate that they had worked for the Peace at Wismut AG to put on the wall, but Wismut AG was just fantasy.

I think I'm going to go with the authors of the study, you know, these folks I referenced:

From the Department of Effects and Risks of Ionizing and Non-Ionizing Radiation, Federal Office for Radiation Protection, Neuherberg, Germany: PD Dr. rer. hum. biol. Michaela Kreuzer, Dr. rer. nat. Veronika Deffner, Dr. phil. Maria Schnelzer, Dr. rer. nat. Nora Fenske.

They actually did a study on the mortality rates among the 400k who worked at the Saxony Uranium mines from, you guessed it, Ionizing and Non-Ionizing Radiation exposure. They documented how lots of people actually died from their exposure in the mines. You kno, actual data, something you seem to not care about.
I'm gonna stick with them because there's zero reason or evidence to believe some lone conspiracy theorist, who has lied before, says he talked to a few people. I'm sure even you can see that the folks above have researched the scenario and are far more a reliable narrator than a lone conspiracy theorist. I mean that must make sense even to you considering you've done no research and they have a whole study devoted to it.
I don't trust your authors having studied the 400 000 East german Saxons working in the 20+ Wismut AG uranium mines 1946/90. I think they just made up the data to keep the fraud alive. Media call it Fake News!

And what evidence do you have of this claim?
Thanks for asking. I present them in writing at my website. Just copy/paste what you don't understand.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 11, 2022, 06:54:03 AM
I arrived at Yokohama, Japan, spring 1972, to work and I wondered why there were only few buildings around at the center. Locals told me Yokohama was napalm carpet bombed May 1945 and showed me photos. They all looked like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then I started to think!
Lots of different things look similar.  One big difference between napalm carpet bombing and atomic bombing is several hundred bombers.  Also, napalm carpet bombings were generally carried out at night while both atomic bombs were dropped during the daytime.  What do you think about that?

Let me try with my version of the Hewia bot.

"In 1945 big flashes of light seen during bright daylight by so called victims didn't happen. My mothers brothers uncles cousin told me all uranium is made of styrofoam as its impossible for metal to nuclearize lol"
Well, USSR dictator Stalin decided 1945 that he too must have an a-bomb. But Russia had no uranium so Stalin built his (fake) bomb with (fake) uranium from Germany and Wismuth AG of Saxony and friends of mine there. The Stalin a-bomb exploded 1949.  But it was just propaganda. Russian president Putin's first job in Saxony 1985/90 was to carry on the show. I explain more at my web site.

Wrong, USSR got Uranium from many sources, not just Germany, and it's very well documented unlike what's inside your head:

The first Soviet uranium mine was established in Taboshar, present-day Tajikistan, and was producing at an annual rate of a few tons of uranium concentrate by May 1943.[43] Taboshar was the first of many officially secret Soviet closed cities related to uranium mining and production.[44]

The first Soviet uranium processing plant was established as the Leninabad Mining and Chemical Combine in Chkalovsk (present-day Buston, Ghafurov District), Tajikistan, and new production sites identified in relative proximity. This posed a need for labor, a need that Beria would fill with forced labor: tens of thousands of Gulag prisoners were brought to work in the mines, the processing plants, and related construction.

Domestic production was still insufficient when the Soviet F-1 reactor, which began operation in December 1946, was fueled using uranium confiscated from the remains of the German atomic bomb project. This uranium had been mined in the Belgian Congo, and the ore in Belgium fell into the hands of the Germans after their invasion and occupation of Belgium in 1940.
Further sources of uranium in the early years of the program were mines in East Germany (via the deceptively-named SAG Wismut), Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania (near Stei) and Poland. Boris Pregel sold 0.23 tonnes of uranium oxide to the Soviet Union during the war, with the authorisation of the U.S. Government.[45][46][47]
Eventually, large domestic sources were discovered in the Soviet Union (including those now in Kazakhstan).


The uranium for the Soviet nuclear weapons program came from mine production in the following countries,[48]
(https://i.imgur.com/h9dQh5V.png)
Thanks for disinformation. I just checked the Wismut AG uranium mines at Saxony, East Germany and they didn't produce any uranium for Stalin's a-bomb. Stalin was famous for his propaganda and the workers' paradise in the USSR until 1952.

How did you just check?

Wrong again:

1. URANIUM PRODUCTION IN EASTERN GERMANY
Between 1946 and 1990, Wismut produced a total of around 220,000 tonnes of uranium. During peak times, production exceeded 7000 tonnes per year. For subsequent processing, all uranium produced was delivered to the Soviet Union. Initially, the uranium produced was exclusively used for nuclear weapons; later it was also used for nuclear power plants.

From the Department of Effects and Risks of Ionizing and Non-Ionizing Radiation, Federal Office for Radiation Protection, Neuherberg, Germany: PD Dr. rer. hum. biol. Michaela Kreuzer, Dr. rer. nat. Veronika Deffner, Dr. phil. Maria Schnelzer, Dr. rer. nat. Nora Fenske:

Mortality in Underground Miners in a Former Uranium Ore Mine (https://www.aerzteblatt.de/int/archive/article/217485/Mortality-in-underground-miners-in-a-former-uranium-ore-mine-results-of-a-cohort-study-among-former-employees-of-Wismut-AG-in-Saxony-and-Thuringia)
Results of a Cohort Study Among Former Employees of Wismut AG in Saxony and Thuringia

More than 400 000 persons worked in the uranium mine in Saxony and Thuringia between 1946 and 1990. As employees of the Soviet, later Soviet-German incorporated company (SAG/SDAG) Wismut, they mined more than 230 000 tons of uranium ore (1) which was used to build Soviet nuclear weapons. The employees of Wismut were exposed to a variety of occupational risk factors, primarily the inhalation of radon and its progeny as well as silica dust (respirable crystalline silica), but also to uranium dust, arsenic and diesel exhaust. In addition, there was exposure to external gamma radiation, heat, vibration, and noise. Since in the early years, hardly any radiation protection and occupational health and safety measures were in place, the level of exposure to radon and silica dust was very high. In 1955, working conditions started to improve significantly and reached the level of international radiation protection standards by about 1971.
Thanks for asking.
Do you really believe the information provided by East Germany and the USSR from the 1940/50s? Actually it was just propaganda to impress people. East Germany didn't mine any uranium ore at all.  Just ask the people involved that I did around 2000. A few got a cheap certificate that they had worked for the Peace at Wismut AG to put on the wall, but Wismut AG was just fantasy.

I think I'm going to go with the authors of the study, you know, these folks I referenced:

From the Department of Effects and Risks of Ionizing and Non-Ionizing Radiation, Federal Office for Radiation Protection, Neuherberg, Germany: PD Dr. rer. hum. biol. Michaela Kreuzer, Dr. rer. nat. Veronika Deffner, Dr. phil. Maria Schnelzer, Dr. rer. nat. Nora Fenske.

They actually did a study on the mortality rates among the 400k who worked at the Saxony Uranium mines from, you guessed it, Ionizing and Non-Ionizing Radiation exposure. They documented how lots of people actually died from their exposure in the mines. You kno, actual data, something you seem to not care about.
I'm gonna stick with them because there's zero reason or evidence to believe some lone conspiracy theorist, who has lied before, says he talked to a few people. I'm sure even you can see that the folks above have researched the scenario and are far more a reliable narrator than a lone conspiracy theorist. I mean that must make sense even to you considering you've done no research and they have a whole study devoted to it.
I don't trust your authors having studied the 400 000 East german Saxons working in the 20+ Wismut AG uranium mines 1946/90. I think they just made up the data to keep the fraud alive. Media call it Fake News!

And what evidence do you have of this claim?
Thanks for asking. I present them in writing at my website. Just copy/paste what you don't understand.

No, don't be lazy, post it here. Stop expecting people to search your website for the evdience you claim to have.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 11, 2022, 07:09:27 AM


No, don't be lazy, post it here. Stop expecting people to search your website for the evdience you claim to have.
No, just visit my website. It is fun, fast, free and fantastic. And fabulous.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 11, 2022, 08:07:19 AM


No, don't be lazy, post it here. Stop expecting people to search your website for the evdience you claim to have.
No, just visit my website. It is fun, fast, free and fantastic. And fabulous.

No, it's badly designed and messy, and has zero evidence for anything.

Stop being lazy expecting people to search the entirety of your website and instead bother to post your evidence here.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 11, 2022, 11:40:56 AM


No, don't be lazy, post it here. Stop expecting people to search your website for the evdience you claim to have.
No, just visit my website. It is fun, fast, free and fantastic. And fabulous.

No, it's badly designed and messy, and has zero evidence for anything.

Stop being lazy expecting people to search the entirety of your website and instead bother to post your evidence here.
I have had this website >20 years and I am happy with it. No adverts or pornography.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 11, 2022, 11:42:22 AM


No, don't be lazy, post it here. Stop expecting people to search your website for the evdience you claim to have.
No, just visit my website. It is fun, fast, free and fantastic. And fabulous.

No, it's badly designed and messy, and has zero evidence for anything.

Stop being lazy expecting people to search the entirety of your website and instead bother to post your evidence here.

It's no wonder Heiwa's site is so horrible to look at and useless. It was built with Claris 3.0:

<TITLE>Heiwa Co news 30 January 2022about the M/S Estonia sinking 1994</TITLE>
<META NAME=GENERATOR CONTENT="Claris Home Page 3.0">

Claris Home Page Final release   
3.0 / January 1998; 24 years ago

About as outdated as his "findings".



Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Calen on April 11, 2022, 11:45:50 AM


No, don't be lazy, post it here. Stop expecting people to search your website for the evdience you claim to have.
No, just visit my website. It is fun, fast, free and fantastic. And fabulous.

No, it's badly designed and messy, and has zero evidence for anything.

Stop being lazy expecting people to search the entirety of your website and instead bother to post your evidence here.
I have had this website >20 years and I am happy with it. No adverts or pornography.

Just boats with smiley faces  :o
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 11, 2022, 11:52:03 AM


No, don't be lazy, post it here. Stop expecting people to search your website for the evdience you claim to have.
No, just visit my website. It is fun, fast, free and fantastic. And fabulous.

No, it's badly designed and messy, and has zero evidence for anything.

Stop being lazy expecting people to search the entirety of your website and instead bother to post your evidence here.
I have had this website >20 years and I am happy with it. No adverts or pornography.

Just boats with smiley faces  :o
No, just a funny illustration that I made.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 11, 2022, 12:50:26 PM
Thanks for asking. I present them in writing at my website. Just copy/paste what you don't understand.

There is no evidence on your site.

But here's more evidence from actual researchers:

The German Uranium Miners’ Biobank—A Biobank for OMICs Radiation Research (https://www.mdpi.com/2673-592X/2/1/5)
1 Federal Office for Radiation Protection, Department of Effects and Risks of Ionising and Non-Ionising Radiation, 85764 Oberschleissheim, Germany
2 Institute for Prevention and Occupational Medicine of the German Social Accident Insurance, Institute of the Ruhr University Bochum (IPA), 44789 Bochum, Germany

The uranium miners of the former German mining company “Wismut” (SDAG/SAG Wismut), with about 400,000 employees, represent one of the largest populations of radiation-exposed miners worldwide. A comprehensive bio- and databank of uranium miners was established at the Federal Office for Radiation Protection and is now available for molecular epidemiological research to link radiation-induced perturbations of biological pathways or processes and putative adverse outcome(s), e.g., by OMICs profiling at different biological organization levels.

You can actual do your own research via the Bio-bank.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 11, 2022, 07:51:36 PM
Thanks for asking. I present them in writing at my website. Just copy/paste what you don't understand.

There is no evidence on your site.

But here's more evidence from actual researchers:

The German Uranium Miners’ Biobank—A Biobank for OMICs Radiation Research (https://www.mdpi.com/2673-592X/2/1/5)
1 Federal Office for Radiation Protection, Department of Effects and Risks of Ionising and Non-Ionising Radiation, 85764 Oberschleissheim, Germany
2 Institute for Prevention and Occupational Medicine of the German Social Accident Insurance, Institute of the Ruhr University Bochum (IPA), 44789 Bochum, Germany

The uranium miners of the former German mining company “Wismut” (SDAG/SAG Wismut), with about 400,000 employees, represent one of the largest populations of radiation-exposed miners worldwide. A comprehensive bio- and databank of uranium miners was established at the Federal Office for Radiation Protection and is now available for molecular epidemiological research to link radiation-induced perturbations of biological pathways or processes and putative adverse outcome(s), e.g., by OMICs profiling at different biological organization levels.

You can actual do your own research via the Bio-bank.
I know. But I also know that all info about Wismut AG is false. The company was just a creation 1945/6 of KGB/Serov and never had 400 000 employés nor mined any uranium as none existed in Saxony.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 11, 2022, 09:19:30 PM
Thanks for asking. I present them in writing at my website. Just copy/paste what you don't understand.

There is no evidence on your site.

But here's more evidence from actual researchers:

The German Uranium Miners’ Biobank—A Biobank for OMICs Radiation Research (https://www.mdpi.com/2673-592X/2/1/5)
1 Federal Office for Radiation Protection, Department of Effects and Risks of Ionising and Non-Ionising Radiation, 85764 Oberschleissheim, Germany
2 Institute for Prevention and Occupational Medicine of the German Social Accident Insurance, Institute of the Ruhr University Bochum (IPA), 44789 Bochum, Germany

The uranium miners of the former German mining company “Wismut” (SDAG/SAG Wismut), with about 400,000 employees, represent one of the largest populations of radiation-exposed miners worldwide. A comprehensive bio- and databank of uranium miners was established at the Federal Office for Radiation Protection and is now available for molecular epidemiological research to link radiation-induced perturbations of biological pathways or processes and putative adverse outcome(s), e.g., by OMICs profiling at different biological organization levels.

You can actual do your own research via the Bio-bank.
I know. But I also know that all info about Wismut AG is false. The company was just a creation 1945/6 of KGB/Serov and never had 400 000 employés nor mined any uranium as none existed in Saxony.

How do you “know” when you have no evidence here or on your site?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 11, 2022, 09:39:08 PM
Heiwa, if you have evidence, you should actually bother to post it here.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 11, 2022, 10:35:56 PM
Heiwa, if you have evidence, you should actually bother to post it here.
No, I have documented my findings in writing at my website since many years and there's no need to repeat them here.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 12, 2022, 12:08:39 AM
Heiwa, if you have evidence, you should actually bother to post it here.
No, I have documented my findings in writing at my website since many years and there's no need to repeat them here.

Then why do you post here? People don't typically post here to advertise their site unless they are a spambot.

In any case, the "findings" on your site is not evidence.

The evidence is what has been shown here. And you do realize that the Saxony mines are now actually a protected UNESCO World Heritage Site? In order to become one, it has to be vetted, with evidence and provenance. It's a very rigorous process, evidence based. Not based on the weak "findings" of some lone conspiracy theorist.

Erzgebirge/Krušnohoří Mining Region (https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1478/)
Erzgebirge/Krušnohoří (Ore Mountains) spans a region in south-eastern Germany (Saxony) and north-western Czechia, which contains a wealth of several metals exploited through mining from the Middle Ages onwards. The region became the most important source of silver ore in Europe from 1460 to 1560. Mining was the trigger for technological and scientific innovations transferred worldwide. Tin was historically the second metal to be extracted and processed at the site. At the end of the 19th century, the region became a major global producer of uranium. The cultural landscape of the Ore Mountains has been deeply shaped by 800 years of almost continuous mining, from the 12th to the 20th century, with mining, pioneering water management systems, innovative mineral processing and smelting sites, and mining cities.
Finally, the region became a major global producer of uranium in the late 19th and 20th centuries; the early period being one of original discovery and development.


So now we'll have to go with the actual evidence based study of the Saxony uranium miner mortality in the region, the Saxony uranium miner bio-bank that researchers around the world access and now the UNESCO site information. That all puts your weak "findings" in the trash. Sorry, you lose again.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 12, 2022, 03:48:44 AM
Heiwa, if you have evidence, you should actually bother to post it here.
No, I have documented my findings in writing at my website since many years and there's no need to repeat them here.

Stop being lazy, post them here.

Your site doesn’t have any evidence on it.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 12, 2022, 05:09:04 AM
Heiwa, if you have evidence, you should actually bother to post it here.
No, I have documented my findings in writing at my website since many years and there's no need to repeat them here.

Stop being lazy, post them here.

Your site doesn’t have any evidence on it.
Pls, try to visit my website. It is very interesting.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 12, 2022, 05:23:51 AM
Heiwa, if you have evidence, you should actually bother to post it here.
No, I have documented my findings in writing at my website since many years and there's no need to repeat them here.

Stop being lazy, post them here.

Your site doesn’t have any evidence on it.
Pls, try to visit my website. It is very interesting.

I've visited it, it was full of absloute nonsense.

"The shortest trajectory Earth/Mars straight away from the Sun is not possible! "
Seriously, imagine 2 people running next to eachother, imagine one throws a ball to the other, what would that look like to a stationary observor in a helicopter above. Then go back to the solar system, and apply the effects of gravity.

EVerything else was nonsense to.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 12, 2022, 05:28:13 AM
Heiwa, if you have evidence, you should actually bother to post it here.
No, I have documented my findings in writing at my website since many years and there's no need to repeat them here.

Stop being lazy, post them here.

Your site doesn’t have any evidence on it.
Pls, try to visit my website. It is very interesting.

I've visited it, it was full of absloute nonsense.

"The shortest trajectory Earth/Mars straight away from the Sun is not possible! "
Seriously, imagine 2 people running next to eachother, imagine one throws a ball to the other, what would that look like to a stationary observor in a helicopter above. Then go back to the solar system, and apply the effects of gravity.

EVerything else was nonsense to.
Just visit http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm and collect €1M and we can discuss!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 12, 2022, 05:51:39 AM
Heiwa, if you have evidence, you should actually bother to post it here.
No, I have documented my findings in writing at my website since many years and there's no need to repeat them here.

Stop being lazy, post them here.

Your site doesn’t have any evidence on it.
Pls, try to visit my website. It is very interesting.

I've visited it, it was full of absloute nonsense.

"The shortest trajectory Earth/Mars straight away from the Sun is not possible! "
Seriously, imagine 2 people running next to eachother, imagine one throws a ball to the other, what would that look like to a stationary observor in a helicopter above. Then go back to the solar system, and apply the effects of gravity.

EVerything else was nonsense to.
Just visit http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm and collect €1M and we can discuss!

No one here believes that you even have the 1 million in the first place, let alone are willing to part with it.

Post your evidence.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 12, 2022, 08:59:07 AM
Heiwa, if you have evidence, you should actually bother to post it here.
No, I have documented my findings in writing at my website since many years and there's no need to repeat them here.

Stop being lazy, post them here.

Your site doesn’t have any evidence on it.
Pls, try to visit my website. It is very interesting.

I've visited it, it was full of absloute nonsense.

"The shortest trajectory Earth/Mars straight away from the Sun is not possible! "
Seriously, imagine 2 people running next to eachother, imagine one throws a ball to the other, what would that look like to a stationary observor in a helicopter above. Then go back to the solar system, and apply the effects of gravity.

EVerything else was nonsense to.
Just visit http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm and collect €1M and we can discuss!

No one here believes that you even have the 1 million in the first place, let alone are willing to part with it.

Post your evidence.
Why would I? Try to win my Chall. Make an application, etc, etc.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 12, 2022, 09:30:00 AM
Heiwa, if you have evidence, you should actually bother to post it here.
No, I have documented my findings in writing at my website since many years and there's no need to repeat them here.

Stop being lazy, post them here.

Your site doesn’t have any evidence on it.
Pls, try to visit my website. It is very interesting.

I've visited it, it was full of absloute nonsense.

"The shortest trajectory Earth/Mars straight away from the Sun is not possible! "
Seriously, imagine 2 people running next to eachother, imagine one throws a ball to the other, what would that look like to a stationary observor in a helicopter above. Then go back to the solar system, and apply the effects of gravity.

EVerything else was nonsense to.
Just visit http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm and collect €1M and we can discuss!

No one here believes that you even have the 1 million in the first place, let alone are willing to part with it.

Post your evidence.
Why would I? Try to win my Chall. Make an application, etc, etc.

You won't give out the money even If i were to convvice you, I don not believe your honesty. post your evidece
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 12, 2022, 12:18:51 PM
Heiwa, if you have evidence, you should actually bother to post it here.
No, I have documented my findings in writing at my website since many years and there's no need to repeat them here.

Stop being lazy, post them here.

Your site doesn’t have any evidence on it.
Pls, try to visit my website. It is very interesting.

I've visited it, it was full of absloute nonsense.

"The shortest trajectory Earth/Mars straight away from the Sun is not possible! "
Seriously, imagine 2 people running next to eachother, imagine one throws a ball to the other, what would that look like to a stationary observor in a helicopter above. Then go back to the solar system, and apply the effects of gravity.

EVerything else was nonsense to.
Just visit http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm and collect €1M and we can discuss!

No one here believes that you even have the 1 million in the first place, let alone are willing to part with it.

Post your evidence.
Why would I? Try to win my Chall. Make an application, etc, etc.

You won't give out the money even If i were to convvice you, I don not believe your honesty. post your evidece
??? You sound drunk. Please sober up.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on April 12, 2022, 04:46:03 PM
I arrived at Yokohama, Japan, spring 1972, to work and I wondered why there were only few buildings around at the center. Locals told me Yokohama was napalm carpet bombed May 1945 and showed me photos. They all looked like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then I started to think!
Lots of different things look similar.  One big difference between napalm carpet bombing and atomic bombing is several hundred bombers.  Also, napalm carpet bombings were generally carried out at night while both atomic bombs were dropped during the daytime.  What do you think about that?

Let me try with my version of the Hewia bot.

"In 1945 big flashes of light seen during bright daylight by so called victims didn't happen. My mothers brothers uncles cousin told me all uranium is made of styrofoam as its impossible for metal to nuclearize lol"
Well, USSR dictator Stalin decided 1945 that he too must have an a-bomb. But Russia had no uranium so Stalin built his (fake) bomb with (fake) uranium from Germany and Wismuth AG of Saxony and friends of mine there. The Stalin a-bomb exploded 1949.  But it was just propaganda. Russian president Putin's first job in Saxony 1985/90 was to carry on the show. I explain more at my web site.

Bot fail!  I forgot to add a reference to "It's all on my web site" and now I am ashamed.  I'll do better next time. 
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 12, 2022, 07:27:40 PM
I arrived at Yokohama, Japan, spring 1972, to work and I wondered why there were only few buildings around at the center. Locals told me Yokohama was napalm carpet bombed May 1945 and showed me photos. They all looked like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then I started to think!
Lots of different things look similar.  One big difference between napalm carpet bombing and atomic bombing is several hundred bombers.  Also, napalm carpet bombings were generally carried out at night while both atomic bombs were dropped during the daytime.  What do you think about that?

Let me try with my version of the Hewia bot.

"In 1945 big flashes of light seen during bright daylight by so called victims didn't happen. My mothers brothers uncles cousin told me all uranium is made of styrofoam as its impossible for metal to nuclearize lol"
Well, USSR dictator Stalin decided 1945 that he too must have an a-bomb. But Russia had no uranium so Stalin built his (fake) bomb with (fake) uranium from Germany and Wismuth AG of Saxony and friends of mine there. The Stalin a-bomb exploded 1949.  But it was just propaganda. Russian president Putin's first job in Saxony 1985/90 was to carry on the show. I explain more at my web site.

Bot fail!  I forgot to add a reference to "It's all on my web site" and now I am ashamed.  I'll do better next time.
Yes, it is not easy to believe in Stalin's a-bomb! Or FDR's or Truman's. Or Putin's!!!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 12, 2022, 10:36:27 PM
Heiwa, if you have evidence, you should actually bother to post it here.
No, I have documented my findings in writing at my website since many years and there's no need to repeat them here.

Stop being lazy, post them here.

Your site doesn’t have any evidence on it.
Pls, try to visit my website. It is very interesting.

I've visited it, it was full of absloute nonsense.

"The shortest trajectory Earth/Mars straight away from the Sun is not possible! "
Seriously, imagine 2 people running next to eachother, imagine one throws a ball to the other, what would that look like to a stationary observor in a helicopter above. Then go back to the solar system, and apply the effects of gravity.

EVerything else was nonsense to.
Just visit http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm and collect €1M and we can discuss!

No one here believes that you even have the 1 million in the first place, let alone are willing to part with it.

Post your evidence.
Why would I? Try to win my Chall. Make an application, etc, etc.

You don't even have the money to begin with, your challenges are poorly defined and have no unbiased independent adjudication.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 12, 2022, 11:52:45 PM
Heiwa, if you have evidence, you should actually bother to post it here.
No, I have documented my findings in writing at my website since many years and there's no need to repeat them here.

Stop being lazy, post them here.

Your site doesn’t have any evidence on it.
Pls, try to visit my website. It is very interesting.

I've visited it, it was full of absloute nonsense.

"The shortest trajectory Earth/Mars straight away from the Sun is not possible! "
Seriously, imagine 2 people running next to eachother, imagine one throws a ball to the other, what would that look like to a stationary observor in a helicopter above. Then go back to the solar system, and apply the effects of gravity.

EVerything else was nonsense to.
Just visit http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm and collect €1M and we can discuss!

No one here believes that you even have the 1 million in the first place, let alone are willing to part with it.

Post your evidence.
Why would I? Try to win my Chall. Make an application, etc, etc.

You don't even have the money to begin with, your challenges are poorly defined and have no unbiased independent adjudication.
Last time I looked I had €1842491 readily available, so I can pay any winner of the Challenge. I am the judge. Just make an application and I'll explain (again) why you lose. You have no chance to win!
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Calen on April 13, 2022, 02:02:15 AM
Last time I looked I had €1842491 readily available, so I can pay any winner of the Challenge. I am the judge. Just make an application and I'll explain (again) why you lose. You have no chance to win!

Therefore, your 6 challenges with prizes of €1,000,00 are fraudulent, as you only have sufficient funds (yeah, right) for one prize.

I also came across an interesting bit of bullshit on your site.  Apparently you have been sentenced to death in absentia by the American courts, for releasing classified information.

A little further reading though, and it's clear that is another of your lies.  You talk about hypothetical revelation of classified information, and its sentence upon conviction, and surmise that because you have revealed "classified information" on your site, you must surely have been sentenced in absentia.

There is no classified information on your site, just the waffle, lies, and bullshit of a failed shipwright.

EDIT:
The fact that you say any legal action against you would have to take place in France would suggest that you domicile in France.  France has an active extradition treaty with the US.  One would imagine, given the seriousness of the crime and the sentence given, the US would have begun extradition proceedings at some point.  Are you currently fighting extradition?

END EDIT.

Show us any communique from a US court detailing a judgement and sentence of death.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 13, 2022, 05:04:18 AM
Last time I looked I had €1842491 readily available, so I can pay any winner of the Challenge. I am the judge. Just make an application and I'll explain (again) why you lose. You have no chance to win!

Therefore, your 6 challenges with prizes of €1,000,00 are fraudulent, as you only have sufficient funds (yeah, right) for one prize.

I also came across an interesting bit of bullshit on your site.  Apparently you have been sentenced to death in absentia by the American courts, for releasing classified information.

A little further reading though, and it's clear that is another of your lies.  You talk about hypothetical revelation of classified information, and its sentence upon conviction, and surmise that because you have revealed "classified information" on your site, you must surely have been sentenced in absentia.

There is no classified information on your site, just the waffle, lies, and bullshit of a failed shipwright.

EDIT:
The fact that you say any legal action against you would have to take place in France would suggest that you domicile in France.  France has an active extradition treaty with the US.  One would imagine, given the seriousness of the crime and the sentence given, the US would have begun extradition proceedings at some point.  Are you currently fighting extradition?

END EDIT.

Show us any communique from a US court detailing a judgement and sentence of death.
Thanks for comments. Yes, I live in France. Full style is at my website.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 13, 2022, 05:10:20 AM
Heiwa, if you have evidence, you should actually bother to post it here.
No, I have documented my findings in writing at my website since many years and there's no need to repeat them here.

Stop being lazy, post them here.

Your site doesn’t have any evidence on it.
Pls, try to visit my website. It is very interesting.

I've visited it, it was full of absloute nonsense.

"The shortest trajectory Earth/Mars straight away from the Sun is not possible! "
Seriously, imagine 2 people running next to eachother, imagine one throws a ball to the other, what would that look like to a stationary observor in a helicopter above. Then go back to the solar system, and apply the effects of gravity.

EVerything else was nonsense to.
Just visit http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm and collect €1M and we can discuss!

No one here believes that you even have the 1 million in the first place, let alone are willing to part with it.

Post your evidence.
Why would I? Try to win my Chall. Make an application, etc, etc.

You don't even have the money to begin with, your challenges are poorly defined and have no unbiased independent adjudication.
Last time I looked I had €1842491 readily available, so I can pay any winner of the Challenge. I am the judge. Just make an application and I'll explain (again) why you lose. You have no chance to win!

Do you have any evidence of this claim?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 13, 2022, 05:19:40 AM
Heiwa, if you have evidence, you should actually bother to post it here.
No, I have documented my findings in writing at my website since many years and there's no need to repeat them here.

Stop being lazy, post them here.

Your site doesn’t have any evidence on it.
Pls, try to visit my website. It is very interesting.

I've visited it, it was full of absloute nonsense.

"The shortest trajectory Earth/Mars straight away from the Sun is not possible! "
Seriously, imagine 2 people running next to eachother, imagine one throws a ball to the other, what would that look like to a stationary observor in a helicopter above. Then go back to the solar system, and apply the effects of gravity.

EVerything else was nonsense to.
Just visit http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm and collect €1M and we can discuss!

No one here believes that you even have the 1 million in the first place, let alone are willing to part with it.

Post your evidence.
Why would I? Try to win my Chall. Make an application, etc, etc.

You don't even have the money to begin with, your challenges are poorly defined and have no unbiased independent adjudication.
Last time I looked I had €1842491 readily available, so I can pay any winner of the Challenge. I am the judge. Just make an application and I'll explain (again) why you lose. You have no chance to win!

Do you have any evidence of this claim?
Yes.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Calen on April 13, 2022, 05:29:11 AM
Last time I looked I had €1842491 readily available, so I can pay any winner of the Challenge. I am the judge. Just make an application and I'll explain (again) why you lose. You have no chance to win!

Therefore, your 6 challenges with prizes of €1,000,00 are fraudulent, as you only have sufficient funds (yeah, right) for one prize.

I also came across an interesting bit of bullshit on your site.  Apparently you have been sentenced to death in absentia by the American courts, for releasing classified information.

A little further reading though, and it's clear that is another of your lies.  You talk about hypothetical revelation of classified information, and its sentence upon conviction, and surmise that because you have revealed "classified information" on your site, you must surely have been sentenced in absentia.

There is no classified information on your site, just the waffle, lies, and bullshit of a failed shipwright.

EDIT:
The fact that you say any legal action against you would have to take place in France would suggest that you domicile in France.  France has an active extradition treaty with the US.  One would imagine, given the seriousness of the crime and the sentence given, the US would have begun extradition proceedings at some point.  Are you currently fighting extradition?

END EDIT.

Show us any communique from a US court detailing a judgement and sentence of death.
Thanks for comments. Yes, I live in France. Full style is at my website.

So, no denial?  I see.  Just gloss over your blatant bull.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 13, 2022, 07:06:38 AM
Heiwa, if you have evidence, you should actually bother to post it here.
No, I have documented my findings in writing at my website since many years and there's no need to repeat them here.

Stop being lazy, post them here.

Your site doesn’t have any evidence on it.
Pls, try to visit my website. It is very interesting.

I've visited it, it was full of absloute nonsense.

"The shortest trajectory Earth/Mars straight away from the Sun is not possible! "
Seriously, imagine 2 people running next to eachother, imagine one throws a ball to the other, what would that look like to a stationary observor in a helicopter above. Then go back to the solar system, and apply the effects of gravity.

EVerything else was nonsense to.
Just visit http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm and collect €1M and we can discuss!

No one here believes that you even have the 1 million in the first place, let alone are willing to part with it.

Post your evidence.
Why would I? Try to win my Chall. Make an application, etc, etc.

You don't even have the money to begin with, your challenges are poorly defined and have no unbiased independent adjudication.
Last time I looked I had €1842491 readily available, so I can pay any winner of the Challenge. I am the judge. Just make an application and I'll explain (again) why you lose. You have no chance to win!

Do you have any evidence of this claim?
Yes.

Mind showing it to us?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 13, 2022, 08:09:45 AM
Heiwa, if you have evidence, you should actually bother to post it here.
No, I have documented my findings in writing at my website since many years and there's no need to repeat them here.

Stop being lazy, post them here.

Your site doesn’t have any evidence on it.
Pls, try to visit my website. It is very interesting.

I've visited it, it was full of absloute nonsense.

"The shortest trajectory Earth/Mars straight away from the Sun is not possible! "
Seriously, imagine 2 people running next to eachother, imagine one throws a ball to the other, what would that look like to a stationary observor in a helicopter above. Then go back to the solar system, and apply the effects of gravity.

EVerything else was nonsense to.
Just visit http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm and collect €1M and we can discuss!

No one here believes that you even have the 1 million in the first place, let alone are willing to part with it.

Post your evidence.
Why would I? Try to win my Chall. Make an application, etc, etc.

You don't even have the money to begin with, your challenges are poorly defined and have no unbiased independent adjudication.
Last time I looked I had €1842491 readily available, so I can pay any winner of the Challenge. I am the judge. Just make an application and I'll explain (again) why you lose. You have no chance to win!

Do you have any evidence of this claim?
Yes.

Mind showing it to us?
Why would I? It is just money.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 13, 2022, 12:19:08 PM
Heiwa, if you have evidence, you should actually bother to post it here.
No, I have documented my findings in writing at my website since many years and there's no need to repeat them here.

Stop being lazy, post them here.

Your site doesn’t have any evidence on it.
Pls, try to visit my website. It is very interesting.

I've visited it, it was full of absloute nonsense.

"The shortest trajectory Earth/Mars straight away from the Sun is not possible! "
Seriously, imagine 2 people running next to eachother, imagine one throws a ball to the other, what would that look like to a stationary observor in a helicopter above. Then go back to the solar system, and apply the effects of gravity.

EVerything else was nonsense to.
Just visit http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm and collect €1M and we can discuss!

No one here believes that you even have the 1 million in the first place, let alone are willing to part with it.

Post your evidence.
Why would I? Try to win my Chall. Make an application, etc, etc.

You don't even have the money to begin with, your challenges are poorly defined and have no unbiased independent adjudication.
Last time I looked I had €1842491 readily available, so I can pay any winner of the Challenge. I am the judge. Just make an application and I'll explain (again) why you lose. You have no chance to win!

Do you have any evidence of this claim?
Yes.

Mind showing it to us?
Why would I? It is just money.

Evidence is "just money"? What does that mean?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 13, 2022, 12:40:00 PM
Heiwa, if you have evidence, you should actually bother to post it here.
No, I have documented my findings in writing at my website since many years and there's no need to repeat them here.

Stop being lazy, post them here.

Your site doesn’t have any evidence on it.
Pls, try to visit my website. It is very interesting.

I've visited it, it was full of absloute nonsense.

"The shortest trajectory Earth/Mars straight away from the Sun is not possible! "
Seriously, imagine 2 people running next to eachother, imagine one throws a ball to the other, what would that look like to a stationary observor in a helicopter above. Then go back to the solar system, and apply the effects of gravity.

EVerything else was nonsense to.
Just visit http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm and collect €1M and we can discuss!

No one here believes that you even have the 1 million in the first place, let alone are willing to part with it.

Post your evidence.
Why would I? Try to win my Chall. Make an application, etc, etc.

You don't even have the money to begin with, your challenges are poorly defined and have no unbiased independent adjudication.
Last time I looked I had €1842491 readily available, so I can pay any winner of the Challenge. I am the judge. Just make an application and I'll explain (again) why you lose. You have no chance to win!

Do you have any evidence of this claim?
Yes.

Mind showing it to us?
Why would I? It is just money.

Evidence is "just money"? What does that mean?
It means that I am rich with plenty money (100% invested in shares of all kind).
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 13, 2022, 01:12:56 PM
Heiwa, if you have evidence, you should actually bother to post it here.
No, I have documented my findings in writing at my website since many years and there's no need to repeat them here.

Stop being lazy, post them here.

Your site doesn’t have any evidence on it.
Pls, try to visit my website. It is very interesting.

I've visited it, it was full of absloute nonsense.

"The shortest trajectory Earth/Mars straight away from the Sun is not possible! "
Seriously, imagine 2 people running next to eachother, imagine one throws a ball to the other, what would that look like to a stationary observor in a helicopter above. Then go back to the solar system, and apply the effects of gravity.

EVerything else was nonsense to.
Just visit http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm and collect €1M and we can discuss!

No one here believes that you even have the 1 million in the first place, let alone are willing to part with it.

Post your evidence.
Why would I? Try to win my Chall. Make an application, etc, etc.

You don't even have the money to begin with, your challenges are poorly defined and have no unbiased independent adjudication.
Last time I looked I had €1842491 readily available, so I can pay any winner of the Challenge. I am the judge. Just make an application and I'll explain (again) why you lose. You have no chance to win!

Do you have any evidence of this claim?
Yes.

Mind showing it to us?
Why would I? It is just money.

Evidence is "just money"? What does that mean?
It means that I am rich with plenty money (100% invested in shares of all kind).

What does that have to do with the topic?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 13, 2022, 09:28:51 PM
Heiwa, if you have evidence, you should actually bother to post it here.
No, I have documented my findings in writing at my website since many years and there's no need to repeat them here.

Stop being lazy, post them here.

Your site doesn’t have any evidence on it.
Pls, try to visit my website. It is very interesting.

I've visited it, it was full of absloute nonsense.

"The shortest trajectory Earth/Mars straight away from the Sun is not possible! "
Seriously, imagine 2 people running next to eachother, imagine one throws a ball to the other, what would that look like to a stationary observor in a helicopter above. Then go back to the solar system, and apply the effects of gravity.

EVerything else was nonsense to.
Just visit http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm and collect €1M and we can discuss!

No one here believes that you even have the 1 million in the first place, let alone are willing to part with it.

Post your evidence.
Why would I? Try to win my Chall. Make an application, etc, etc.

You don't even have the money to begin with, your challenges are poorly defined and have no unbiased independent adjudication.
Last time I looked I had €1842491 readily available, so I can pay any winner of the Challenge. I am the judge. Just make an application and I'll explain (again) why you lose. You have no chance to win!

Do you have any evidence of this claim?
Yes.

Mind showing it to us?
Why would I? It is just money.

Evidence is "just money"? What does that mean?
It means that I am rich with plenty money (100% invested in shares of all kind).

No, we are asking you for evidence that you have the money.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: boydster on April 14, 2022, 06:25:41 AM
Heiwa stop shitting up everything you participate in to shill for your website. This thread is about nuclear bombs and whether they exist. Not a fake challenge, not bank account sizes, and it's definitely not for shilling your website.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 14, 2022, 09:19:40 AM
Heiwa stop shitting up everything you participate in to shill for your website. This thread is about nuclear bombs and whether they exist. Not a fake challenge, not bank account sizes, and it's definitely not for shilling your website.
This is an old thread started January 2009. Somebody asked a question about nuclear bombs existing or not. All is secret and testing is no longer permitted. Only North Korea says it has exploded nuclear bombs underground recently, but I think the North Korean dictator Kim is lying. Personally I think nuclear bombs do not exist and are a hoax since 1945.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 14, 2022, 09:28:27 AM
Heiwa stop shitting up everything you participate in to shill for your website. This thread is about nuclear bombs and whether they exist. Not a fake challenge, not bank account sizes, and it's definitely not for shilling your website.
This is an old thread started January 2009. Somebody asked a question about nuclear bombs existing or not. All is secret and testing is no longer permitted. Only North Korea says it has exploded nuclear bombs underground recently, but I think the North Korean dictator Kim is lying. Personally I think nuclear bombs do not exist and are a hoax since 1945.

Explain your strongest peice of evidence against nuclear bombs, HERE, no links to your site.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 14, 2022, 10:51:53 AM
Heiwa stop shitting up everything you participate in to shill for your website. This thread is about nuclear bombs and whether they exist. Not a fake challenge, not bank account sizes, and it's definitely not for shilling your website.
This is an old thread started January 2009. Somebody asked a question about nuclear bombs existing or not. All is secret and testing is no longer permitted. Only North Korea says it has exploded nuclear bombs underground recently, but I think the North Korean dictator Kim is lying. Personally I think nuclear bombs do not exist and are a hoax since 1945.

Explain your strongest piece of evidence against nuclear bombs, HERE, no links to your site.
Easy, my grandfather was a friend of two Nobel prize winners physics. One NB, a Dane, was at Los Alamos, NM/USA 1943/5 building two nuclear bombs, and the other was MS, a Swede, at Stockholm, Sweden, that was asked by the Swedish government to build a Swedish nuclear bomb 1945. NB and MS knew 1945 that nuclear bombs were just propaganda nonsense and told my grandfather it. They could not explain anything so they had to shut up. Media assisted. 1964 I met MS and we discussed various things, incl. nuclear bombs, and MS recommended me what to do. Of course this is not evidence against nuclear bombs, but later I visited Japan and could see that no nuclear bombs had exploded there.  1999 I met a woman whose father had assisted Stalin to build a fake COMMUNIST nuclear bomb 1946/61. Just visit my website for the full story. BTW, who are you?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 14, 2022, 11:47:20 AM
Strongest piece of evidence: "1999 I met a woman whose father had assisted Stalin to build a fake COMMUNIST nuclear bomb 1946/61."
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on April 14, 2022, 01:32:41 PM
Heiwa if you had to take a modest guess at your own IQ, what would you think your score would be around?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 14, 2022, 09:18:44 PM
Heiwa stop shitting up everything you participate in to shill for your website. This thread is about nuclear bombs and whether they exist. Not a fake challenge, not bank account sizes, and it's definitely not for shilling your website.
This is an old thread started January 2009. Somebody asked a question about nuclear bombs existing or not. All is secret and testing is no longer permitted. Only North Korea says it has exploded nuclear bombs underground recently, but I think the North Korean dictator Kim is lying. Personally I think nuclear bombs do not exist and are a hoax since 1945.

Explain your strongest piece of evidence against nuclear bombs, HERE, no links to your site.
Easy, my grandfather was a friend of two Nobel prize winners physics. One NB, a Dane, was at Los Alamos, NM/USA 1943/5 building two nuclear bombs, and the other was MS, a Swede, at Stockholm, Sweden, that was asked by the Swedish government to build a Swedish nuclear bomb 1945. NB and MS knew 1945 that nuclear bombs were just propaganda nonsense and told my grandfather it. They could not explain anything so they had to shut up. Media assisted. 1964 I met MS and we discussed various things, incl. nuclear bombs, and MS recommended me what to do. Of course this is not evidence against nuclear bombs, but later I visited Japan and could see that no nuclear bombs had exploded there.  1999 I met a woman whose father had assisted Stalin to build a fake COMMUNIST nuclear bomb 1946/61. Just visit my website for the full story. BTW, who are you?
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So, a bunch of people couldn't explain something, someone told you not to study nuclear phhysics, and when you visited Japan it hadn't been rebuilt enough that it didn't look to you like anyone had dropped a nuke there, absolutely pathetic evidence.

And additionally, it all relies on your word.

Do you have any evidence SO EVER that does not rely on assuming that you are honest?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 14, 2022, 10:03:10 PM
Heiwa stop shitting up everything you participate in to shill for your website. This thread is about nuclear bombs and whether they exist. Not a fake challenge, not bank account sizes, and it's definitely not for shilling your website.
This is an old thread started January 2009. Somebody asked a question about nuclear bombs existing or not. All is secret and testing is no longer permitted. Only North Korea says it has exploded nuclear bombs underground recently, but I think the North Korean dictator Kim is lying. Personally I think nuclear bombs do not exist and are a hoax since 1945.

Explain your strongest piece of evidence against nuclear bombs, HERE, no links to your site.
Easy, my grandfather was a friend of two Nobel prize winners physics. One NB, a Dane, was at Los Alamos, NM/USA 1943/5 building two nuclear bombs, and the other was MS, a Swede, at Stockholm, Sweden, that was asked by the Swedish government to build a Swedish nuclear bomb 1945. NB and MS knew 1945 that nuclear bombs were just propaganda nonsense and told my grandfather it. They could not explain anything so they had to shut up. Media assisted. 1964 I met MS and we discussed various things, incl. nuclear bombs, and MS recommended me what to do. Of course this is not evidence against nuclear bombs, but later I visited Japan and could see that no nuclear bombs had exploded there.  1999 I met a woman whose father had assisted Stalin to build a fake COMMUNIST nuclear bomb 1946/61. Just visit my website for the full story. BTW, who are you?
[/quote

So, a bunch of people couldn't explain something, someone told you not to study nuclear phhysics, and when you visited Japan it hadn't been rebuilt enough that it didn't look to you like anyone had dropped a nuke there, absolutely pathetic evidence.

And additionally, it all relies on your word.

Do you have any evidence SO EVER that does not rely on assuming that you are honest?

Thanks for asking. Yes, I have a lot of info that gives reason to believe and proves I am quite honest. I present it at my website.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 14, 2022, 11:21:23 PM
Heiwa stop shitting up everything you participate in to shill for your website. This thread is about nuclear bombs and whether they exist. Not a fake challenge, not bank account sizes, and it's definitely not for shilling your website.
This is an old thread started January 2009. Somebody asked a question about nuclear bombs existing or not. All is secret and testing is no longer permitted. Only North Korea says it has exploded nuclear bombs underground recently, but I think the North Korean dictator Kim is lying. Personally I think nuclear bombs do not exist and are a hoax since 1945.

Explain your strongest piece of evidence against nuclear bombs, HERE, no links to your site.
Easy, my grandfather was a friend of two Nobel prize winners physics. One NB, a Dane, was at Los Alamos, NM/USA 1943/5 building two nuclear bombs, and the other was MS, a Swede, at Stockholm, Sweden, that was asked by the Swedish government to build a Swedish nuclear bomb 1945. NB and MS knew 1945 that nuclear bombs were just propaganda nonsense and told my grandfather it. They could not explain anything so they had to shut up. Media assisted. 1964 I met MS and we discussed various things, incl. nuclear bombs, and MS recommended me what to do. Of course this is not evidence against nuclear bombs, but later I visited Japan and could see that no nuclear bombs had exploded there.  1999 I met a woman whose father had assisted Stalin to build a fake COMMUNIST nuclear bomb 1946/61. Just visit my website for the full story. BTW, who are you?
[/quote

So, a bunch of people couldn't explain something, someone told you not to study nuclear phhysics, and when you visited Japan it hadn't been rebuilt enough that it didn't look to you like anyone had dropped a nuke there, absolutely pathetic evidence.

And additionally, it all relies on your word.

Do you have any evidence SO EVER that does not rely on assuming that you are honest?

Thanks for asking. Yes, I have a lot of info that gives reason to believe and proves I am quite honest. I present it at my website.

No, stop being lazy and present it HERE.

Pick your best arguments.

There are no valid arguments on that site.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 14, 2022, 11:22:54 PM
We've all been through your website. The only evidence there is that you said you spoke to someone once whose father they claimed worked for Stalin on their Nuclear Weapons project 75 years ago and said it was bunk. That's it.

In the mean time, 75 years have elapsed and in that time there is a mountain of evidence that you are wrong. Veritable mountains. And you're basing your "proof" on one person talking about their Dad about things 3/4 of a century old. So yeah, any sane person would have to go with the mountains of evidence accumulated and corroborated over the last 75 years. And not a lone conspiracy theorist who claims they had a conversation with some random woman decades ago. For all we know, her Dad could have been a janitor at a weapons development facility. Or at no facility at all. Or you never spoke to anyone. Considering you've lied about a bunch of stuff, even you would have to understand that no one across the entire web considers you a reliable narrator.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 15, 2022, 12:19:03 AM
We've all been through your website. The only evidence there is that you said you spoke to someone once whose father they claimed worked for Stalin on their Nuclear Weapons project 75 years ago and said it was bunk. That's it.

In the mean time, 75 years have elapsed and in that time there is a mountain of evidence that you are wrong. Veritable mountains. And you're basing your "proof" on one person talking about their Dad about things 3/4 of a century old. So yeah, any sane person would have to go with the mountains of evidence accumulated and corroborated over the last 75 years. And not a lone conspiracy theorist who claims they had a conversation with some random woman decades ago. For all we know, her Dad could have been a janitor at a weapons development facility. Or at no facility at all. Or you never spoke to anyone. Considering you've lied about a bunch of stuff, even you would have to understand that no one across the entire web considers you a reliable narrator.
No, my friend's daddy, Wilhelm M, worked for Wismut AG 1947/58 in Saxony, East Germany, producing Uranium for the fantastic Stalin a-bomb, until he was arrested and jailed. The secret was that Wismut never produced any Uranium at all and that the mines were only full of Radon ... and still is. And Willy was a carpenter doing maintenance work at the mines that were run by the KGB. One of the last persons running the East German KGB a-bomb/Uranium show was V. Putin, present President of Russia. I like Putin. He organized the peaceful collapse of East Germany, so he and the Russians could retreat back home. Not a shot was fired. Millions of Germans witnessed it.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 15, 2022, 12:48:57 AM
We've all been through your website. The only evidence there is that you said you spoke to someone once whose father they claimed worked for Stalin on their Nuclear Weapons project 75 years ago and said it was bunk. That's it.

In the mean time, 75 years have elapsed and in that time there is a mountain of evidence that you are wrong. Veritable mountains. And you're basing your "proof" on one person talking about their Dad about things 3/4 of a century old. So yeah, any sane person would have to go with the mountains of evidence accumulated and corroborated over the last 75 years. And not a lone conspiracy theorist who claims they had a conversation with some random woman decades ago. For all we know, her Dad could have been a janitor at a weapons development facility. Or at no facility at all. Or you never spoke to anyone. Considering you've lied about a bunch of stuff, even you would have to understand that no one across the entire web considers you a reliable narrator.
No, my friend's daddy, Wilhelm M, worked for Wismut AG 1947/58 in Saxony, East Germany, producing Uranium for the fantastic Stalin a-bomb, until he was arrested and jailed. The secret was that Wismut never produced any Uranium at all and that the mines were only full of Radon ... and still is. And Willy was a carpenter doing maintenance work at the mines that were run by the KGB. One of the last persons running the East German KGB a-bomb/Uranium show was V. Putin, present President of Russia. I like Putin. He organized the peaceful collapse of East Germany, so he and the Russians could retreat back home. Not a shot was fired. Millions of Germans witnessed it.
Where’s your evidence of this claim?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 15, 2022, 02:45:46 AM
We've all been through your website. The only evidence there is that you said you spoke to someone once whose father they claimed worked for Stalin on their Nuclear Weapons project 75 years ago and said it was bunk. That's it.

In the mean time, 75 years have elapsed and in that time there is a mountain of evidence that you are wrong. Veritable mountains. And you're basing your "proof" on one person talking about their Dad about things 3/4 of a century old. So yeah, any sane person would have to go with the mountains of evidence accumulated and corroborated over the last 75 years. And not a lone conspiracy theorist who claims they had a conversation with some random woman decades ago. For all we know, her Dad could have been a janitor at a weapons development facility. Or at no facility at all. Or you never spoke to anyone. Considering you've lied about a bunch of stuff, even you would have to understand that no one across the entire web considers you a reliable narrator.
No, my friend's daddy, Wilhelm M, worked for Wismut AG 1947/58 in Saxony, East Germany, producing Uranium for the fantastic Stalin a-bomb, until he was arrested and jailed. The secret was that Wismut never produced any Uranium at all and that the mines were only full of Radon ... and still is. And Willy was a carpenter doing maintenance work at the mines that were run by the KGB. One of the last persons running the East German KGB a-bomb/Uranium show was V. Putin, present President of Russia. I like Putin. He organized the peaceful collapse of East Germany, so he and the Russians could retreat back home. Not a shot was fired. Millions of Germans witnessed it.
Where’s your evidence of this claim?
at http://heiwaco.com

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Wolvaccine on April 15, 2022, 02:55:35 AM
We've all been through your website. The only evidence there is that you said you spoke to someone once whose father they claimed worked for Stalin on their Nuclear Weapons project 75 years ago and said it was bunk. That's it.

In the mean time, 75 years have elapsed and in that time there is a mountain of evidence that you are wrong. Veritable mountains. And you're basing your "proof" on one person talking about their Dad about things 3/4 of a century old. So yeah, any sane person would have to go with the mountains of evidence accumulated and corroborated over the last 75 years. And not a lone conspiracy theorist who claims they had a conversation with some random woman decades ago. For all we know, her Dad could have been a janitor at a weapons development facility. Or at no facility at all. Or you never spoke to anyone. Considering you've lied about a bunch of stuff, even you would have to understand that no one across the entire web considers you a reliable narrator.
No, my friend's daddy, Wilhelm M, worked for Wismut AG 1947/58 in Saxony, East Germany, producing Uranium for the fantastic Stalin a-bomb, until he was arrested and jailed. The secret was that Wismut never produced any Uranium at all and that the mines were only full of Radon ... and still is. And Willy was a carpenter doing maintenance work at the mines that were run by the KGB. One of the last persons running the East German KGB a-bomb/Uranium show was V. Putin, present President of Russia. I like Putin. He organized the peaceful collapse of East Germany, so he and the Russians could retreat back home. Not a shot was fired. Millions of Germans witnessed it.
Where’s your evidence of this claim?
at http://www.ratemypoo.com

I dont follow.....
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 15, 2022, 03:12:48 AM
We've all been through your website. The only evidence there is that you said you spoke to someone once whose father they claimed worked for Stalin on their Nuclear Weapons project 75 years ago and said it was bunk. That's it.

In the mean time, 75 years have elapsed and in that time there is a mountain of evidence that you are wrong. Veritable mountains. And you're basing your "proof" on one person talking about their Dad about things 3/4 of a century old. So yeah, any sane person would have to go with the mountains of evidence accumulated and corroborated over the last 75 years. And not a lone conspiracy theorist who claims they had a conversation with some random woman decades ago. For all we know, her Dad could have been a janitor at a weapons development facility. Or at no facility at all. Or you never spoke to anyone. Considering you've lied about a bunch of stuff, even you would have to understand that no one across the entire web considers you a reliable narrator.
No, my friend's daddy, Wilhelm M, worked for Wismut AG 1947/58 in Saxony, East Germany, producing Uranium for the fantastic Stalin a-bomb, until he was arrested and jailed. The secret was that Wismut never produced any Uranium at all and that the mines were only full of Radon ... and still is. And Willy was a carpenter doing maintenance work at the mines that were run by the KGB. One of the last persons running the East German KGB a-bomb/Uranium show was V. Putin, present President of Russia. I like Putin. He organized the peaceful collapse of East Germany, so he and the Russians could retreat back home. Not a shot was fired. Millions of Germans witnessed it.
Where’s your evidence of this claim?
at http://www.ratemypoo.com

I dont follow.....
try http://heiwaco.com
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 15, 2022, 03:37:44 AM
We've all been through your website. The only evidence there is that you said you spoke to someone once whose father they claimed worked for Stalin on their Nuclear Weapons project 75 years ago and said it was bunk. That's it.

In the mean time, 75 years have elapsed and in that time there is a mountain of evidence that you are wrong. Veritable mountains. And you're basing your "proof" on one person talking about their Dad about things 3/4 of a century old. So yeah, any sane person would have to go with the mountains of evidence accumulated and corroborated over the last 75 years. And not a lone conspiracy theorist who claims they had a conversation with some random woman decades ago. For all we know, her Dad could have been a janitor at a weapons development facility. Or at no facility at all. Or you never spoke to anyone. Considering you've lied about a bunch of stuff, even you would have to understand that no one across the entire web considers you a reliable narrator.
No, my friend's daddy, Wilhelm M, worked for Wismut AG 1947/58 in Saxony, East Germany, producing Uranium for the fantastic Stalin a-bomb, until he was arrested and jailed. The secret was that Wismut never produced any Uranium at all and that the mines were only full of Radon ... and still is. And Willy was a carpenter doing maintenance work at the mines that were run by the KGB. One of the last persons running the East German KGB a-bomb/Uranium show was V. Putin, present President of Russia. I like Putin. He organized the peaceful collapse of East Germany, so he and the Russians could retreat back home. Not a shot was fired. Millions of Germans witnessed it.
Where’s your evidence of this claim?
at http://www.ratemypoo.com

I dont follow.....
try http://heiwaco.com


And you don't even bother giving the link to the specific webpage, now that is lazy.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 15, 2022, 05:31:17 AM
We've all been through your website. The only evidence there is that you said you spoke to someone once whose father they claimed worked for Stalin on their Nuclear Weapons project 75 years ago and said it was bunk. That's it.

In the mean time, 75 years have elapsed and in that time there is a mountain of evidence that you are wrong. Veritable mountains. And you're basing your "proof" on one person talking about their Dad about things 3/4 of a century old. So yeah, any sane person would have to go with the mountains of evidence accumulated and corroborated over the last 75 years. And not a lone conspiracy theorist who claims they had a conversation with some random woman decades ago. For all we know, her Dad could have been a janitor at a weapons development facility. Or at no facility at all. Or you never spoke to anyone. Considering you've lied about a bunch of stuff, even you would have to understand that no one across the entire web considers you a reliable narrator.
No, my friend's daddy, Wilhelm M, worked for Wismut AG 1947/58 in Saxony, East Germany, producing Uranium for the fantastic Stalin a-bomb, until he was arrested and jailed. The secret was that Wismut never produced any Uranium at all and that the mines were only full of Radon ... and still is. And Willy was a carpenter doing maintenance work at the mines that were run by the KGB. One of the last persons running the East German KGB a-bomb/Uranium show was V. Putin, present President of Russia. I like Putin. He organized the peaceful collapse of East Germany, so he and the Russians could retreat back home. Not a shot was fired. Millions of Germans witnessed it.
Where’s your evidence of this claim?
at http://www.ratemypoo.com

I dont follow.....
try http://heiwaco.com

We've looked there. There is no evidence of you claims there. Try harder.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on April 15, 2022, 05:58:24 AM

I like Putin.


Anders is a Putin supporter.  Clearly Anders should move to Ukraine and show his support for Putin there.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on April 15, 2022, 07:38:13 AM
We've all been through your website. The only evidence there is that you said you spoke to someone once whose father they claimed worked for Stalin on their Nuclear Weapons project 75 years ago and said it was bunk. That's it.

In the mean time, 75 years have elapsed and in that time there is a mountain of evidence that you are wrong. Veritable mountains. And you're basing your "proof" on one person talking about their Dad about things 3/4 of a century old. So yeah, any sane person would have to go with the mountains of evidence accumulated and corroborated over the last 75 years. And not a lone conspiracy theorist who claims they had a conversation with some random woman decades ago. For all we know, her Dad could have been a janitor at a weapons development facility. Or at no facility at all. Or you never spoke to anyone. Considering you've lied about a bunch of stuff, even you would have to understand that no one across the entire web considers you a reliable narrator.
No, my friend's daddy, Wilhelm M, worked for Wismut AG 1947/58 in Saxony, East Germany, producing Uranium for the fantastic Stalin a-bomb, until he was arrested and jailed. The secret was that Wismut never produced any Uranium at all and that the mines were only full of Radon ... and still is. And Willy was a carpenter doing maintenance work at the mines that were run by the KGB. One of the last persons running the East German KGB a-bomb/Uranium show was V. Putin, present President of Russia. I like Putin. He organized the peaceful collapse of East Germany, so he and the Russians could retreat back home. Not a shot was fired. Millions of Germans witnessed it.
Where’s your evidence of this claim?
at http://www.ratemypoo.com

I dont follow.....
try http://ratemypoo.com

Oh I see, you have to leave off the www.  Much better.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 18, 2022, 06:22:26 PM

I like Putin.


Anders is a Putin supporter.  Clearly Anders should move to Ukraine and show his support for Putin there.
I did in fact 1992/9 after the fall of the USSR 1992. Odessa was full of Russians and Jews since 200 years, but quite dangerous due to lack of law and order. We built a ship at Nikolaev east of Odessa and tried to build one at Kherson further east, etc. But then the Ukrainian mafia took over, assisted by USA, and all shipyards closed and many Russians and Jews moved to Crimea in the south. I left ... and now there is full war in south Ukraine. Reason why I like Putin is that he worked in East Germany/Dresden 1985/9 that then collapsed. Putin worked for the KGB and learnt the German language (actually the Saxon dialect) and that socialist communism didn't work, and ensured that that the Russian occupying army in Germany left peacefully so the Germans could govern themselves using liberal, economic ideas, etc. Yes, I have other ideas what happened after the fall of the USSR as I was there and witnessed it. Americans think the USA/Potus Reagan won the Cold War then, but I have other opinions. Reagan was a great actor before moving into the White House and the show there.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: blademan9999 on April 18, 2022, 08:31:37 PM

I like Putin.


Anders is a Putin supporter.  Clearly Anders should move to Ukraine and show his support for Putin there.
I did in fact 1992/9 after the fall of the USSR 1992. Odessa was full of Russians and Jews since 200 years, but quite dangerous due to lack of law and order. We built a ship at Nikolaev east of Odessa and tried to build one at Kherson further east, etc. But then the Ukrainian mafia took over, assisted by USA, and all shipyards closed and many Russians and Jews moved to Crimea in the south. I left ... and now there is full war in south Ukraine. Reason why I like Putin is that he worked in East Germany/Dresden 1985/9 that then collapsed. Putin worked for the KGB and learnt the German language (actually the Saxon dialect) and that socialist communism didn't work, and ensured that that the Russian occupying army in Germany left peacefully so the Germans could govern themselves using liberal, economic ideas, etc. Yes, I have other ideas what happened after the fall of the USSR as I was there and witnessed it. Americans think the USA/Potus Reagan won the Cold War then, but I have other opinions. Reagan was a great actor before moving into the White House and the show there.

There is no basis for this claim.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 18, 2022, 10:49:20 PM
Reagan was a great actor before moving into the White House and the show there.

Wrong again. Reagan was known as 'C' level actor, just a studio body. Considered wooden and relegated to low tier roles, with monkeys and such. So no, he was not a "great" actor.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 19, 2022, 01:56:31 AM
Reagan was a great actor before moving into the White House and the show there.

Wrong again. Reagan was known as 'C' level actor, just a studio body. Considered wooden and relegated to low tier roles, with monkeys and such. So no, he was not a "great" actor.
I liked Reagan and his cute wife. Reagan was an anti-communist like me and didn't talk with China and North Korea, etc.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Stash on April 19, 2022, 04:42:29 AM
Reagan was a great actor before moving into the White House and the show there.

Wrong again. Reagan was known as 'C' level actor, just a studio body. Considered wooden and relegated to low tier roles, with monkeys and such. So no, he was not a "great" actor.
I liked Reagan and his cute wife.

I’m glad you liked him. He was a terrible actor.

Reagan was an anti-communist like me and didn't talk with China and North Korea, etc.

And you’re wrong yet again:

President Reagan Meeting Premier Zhao in Beijing, China on April 27, 1984
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Heiwa on April 19, 2022, 04:53:26 AM
Reagan was a great actor before moving into the White House and the show there.

Wrong again. Reagan was known as 'C' level actor, just a studio body. Considered wooden and relegated to low tier roles, with monkeys and such. So no, he was not a "great" actor.
I liked Reagan and his cute wife.

I’m glad you liked him. He was a terrible actor.

Reagan was an anti-communist like me and didn't talk with China and North Korea, etc.

And you’re wrong yet again:

President Reagan Meeting Premier Zhao in Beijing, China on April 27, 1984

Sorry, I had forgotten it.
I was busy at Monte Carlo then . And Reagan just talked to Chou. Chit Chat.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: flatv8 on May 01, 2023, 11:45:05 PM
Correct, carpet bombs as no radiation was found anywhere from Nagasaki or Hiroshima
only 1 reporter was allowed to take photos and there are plenty of videos on how the sun
in the break of dawn was super imposed by Disney Studios to create the nuclear flash
effect straight after the claimed ignition of these silly fictional events.

Many Hiroshima and Nagasaki Hibakusha survived ground zero blasts without DNA issues
and many recovered and have normal healthy children but the media paints a hollowcaused.
Fire is cheap, fire is effective for the media and the masses of fools.

It is sad so many suffer cognitive dissonance and believe their programming when it is
just simple cinema-tography, thats a little better than the fantasy of a Tesla car in Orbit.
These poor things go from Disney to Nasa without hesitation.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on May 04, 2023, 10:39:52 AM
Correct, carpet bombs as no radiation was found anywhere from Nagasaki or Hiroshima
only 1 reporter was allowed to take photos and there are plenty of videos on how the sun
in the break of dawn was super imposed by Disney Studios to create the nuclear flash
effect straight after the claimed ignition of these silly fictional events.

So you're saying Disney has nukes?  DeSantis better watch out!  I wonder if they have a no first strike policy?  Do they have bombers too, or are planes also not real? I suppose no ICBMS as it's impossible to build big tubes, and I know FE has a serious problem with tubes and their so called properties.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 11, 2023, 01:08:18 AM
So you're saying Disney has nukes?
Disney and other filmmakers can make anything appear how they want in order to make anything appear real.

Quote from: JJA
  Do they have bombers too, or are planes also not real?
And they can also make those appear real.

Quote from: JJA
I suppose no ICBMS as it's impossible to build big tubes, and I know FE has a serious problem with tubes and their so called properties.
No such thing as ICBM's.

 Short-range missiles, yes. short-range rockets, yes. ICBM's....no.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: markjo on May 12, 2023, 06:13:05 PM
Quote from: JJA
I suppose no ICBMS as it's impossible to build big tubes, and I know FE has a serious problem with tubes and their so called properties.
No such thing as ICBM's.

 Short-range missiles, yes. short-range rockets, yes. ICBM's....no.
What's the difference between a short-range missile and an ICBM?  Why can't you just make a short-range missile more powerful until it becomes an ICBM?
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: JJA on May 14, 2023, 08:15:04 AM
Quote from: JJA
I suppose no ICBMS as it's impossible to build big tubes, and I know FE has a serious problem with tubes and their so called properties.
No such thing as ICBM's.

 Short-range missiles, yes. short-range rockets, yes. ICBM's....no.
What's the difference between a short-range missile and an ICBM?  Why can't you just make a short-range missile more powerful until it becomes an ICBM?
Because tubes, apparently.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on May 15, 2023, 11:50:27 PM
What's the difference between a short-range missile and an ICBM?  Why can't you just make a short-range missile more powerful until it becomes an ICBM?
Because as you make the short range missile stronger and able to fly further, your world view slowly gets revealed for being stupid, and you have to accept that the earth is round.

Thats why.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on July 16, 2023, 04:45:44 PM
On many photos of Hiroshima you can see power lines/telegram standing with wires. Wouldnt air blast tear them down. I think Alexander Seversky  mentioned that. I feel dirty for saying that about Hiroshima since people suffered, but i searched web and found nothing :(
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on July 16, 2023, 09:19:07 PM
On many photos of Hiroshima you can see power lines/telegram standing with wires. Wouldnt air blast tear them down. I think Alexander Seversky  mentioned that. I feel dirty for saying that about Hiroshima since people suffered, but i searched web and found nothing :(
Depends.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki explosions where airbursts. The bombs blew up far above the ground. This produces a series of deadly effects. First, a super hot flash of energy. This energy ignites anything that can burn, including vaporizing humans under the blast area. Steal and concrete does not burn, so this would not do much to the wires unless they are very close to the explosion. But considering it was a air burst, they would probably just get very hot without too much damage.
Then there is the shockwave, as air is pushed out and away from the blast center. Things that survive high winds will survive this too. Concrete and steel structures are the most likely to survive. Electrical pylons are not immune to wind, but they also dont just fall over.
Most Japanese houses where timber houses back then. Timber houses dont do well with hight heat and strong winds, making the explosion effects far worse. Modern cities would have faired much better under the same conditions. However, modern bombs are also a lot more powerful.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on July 17, 2023, 07:35:31 AM
On many photos of Hiroshima you can see power lines/telegram standing with wires. Wouldnt air blast tear them down. I think Alexander Seversky  mentioned that. I feel dirty for saying that about Hiroshima since people suffered, but i searched web and found nothing :(

Here....



As stated by MaNaesWolf, it depends.   Trees can survive a nuclear blast wave.  It all depends on what it is and how far from the epicenter the object is.  The closer to the center, the more likely it will be destroyed.  Here is an estimate of the damages from the Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuclear blasts.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Abombdamage1945.svg/1280px-Abombdamage1945.svg.png)

Some info on blast waves, and their effects, and why airburst nuclear explosions are preferred to ground burst.

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Two distinct, simultaneous phenomena are associated with the blast wave in the air:

Static overpressure, i.e., the sharp increase in pressure exerted by the shock wave. The overpressure at any given point is directly proportional to the density of the air in the wave.

Dynamic pressures, i.e., drag exerted by the blast winds required to form the blast wave. These winds push, tumble and tear objects.

Most of the material damage caused by a nuclear air burst is caused by a combination of the high static overpressures and the blast winds. The long compression of the blast wave weakens structures, which are then torn apart by the blast winds. The compression, vacuum and drag phases together may last several seconds or longer, and exert forces many times greater than the strongest hurricane.

AND...

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For each goal overpressure, there is a certain optimum burst height at which the blast range is maximized over ground targets. In a typical air burst, where the blast range is maximized to produce the greatest range of severe damage, i.e. the greatest range that ~10 psi (69 kPa) of pressure is extended over, is a GR/ground range of 0.4 km for 1 kiloton (kt) of TNT yield; 1.9 km for 100 kt; and 8.6 km for 10 megatons (Mt) of TNT. The optimum height of burst to maximize this desired severe ground range destruction for a 1 kt bomb is 0.22  km; for 100 kt, 1  km; and for 10 Mt, 4.7  km.

Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on July 17, 2023, 05:21:58 PM
On many photos of Hiroshima you can see power lines/telegram standing with wires. Wouldnt air blast tear them down. I think Alexander Seversky  mentioned that. I feel dirty for saying that about Hiroshima since people suffered, but i searched web and found nothing :(

Here....



As stated by MaNaesWolf, it depends.   Trees can survive a nuclear blast wave.  It all depends on what it is and how far from the epicenter the object is.  The closer to the center, the more likely it will be destroyed.  Here is an estimate of the damages from the Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuclear blasts.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Abombdamage1945.svg/1280px-Abombdamage1945.svg.png)

Some info on blast waves, and their effects, and why airburst nuclear explosions are preferred to ground burst.

Quote
Two distinct, simultaneous phenomena are associated with the blast wave in the air:

Static overpressure, i.e., the sharp increase in pressure exerted by the shock wave. The overpressure at any given point is directly proportional to the density of the air in the wave.

Dynamic pressures, i.e., drag exerted by the blast winds required to form the blast wave. These winds push, tumble and tear objects.

Most of the material damage caused by a nuclear air burst is caused by a combination of the high static overpressures and the blast winds. The long compression of the blast wave weakens structures, which are then torn apart by the blast winds. The compression, vacuum and drag phases together may last several seconds or longer, and exert forces many times greater than the strongest hurricane.

AND...

Quote
For each goal overpressure, there is a certain optimum burst height at which the blast range is maximized over ground targets. In a typical air burst, where the blast range is maximized to produce the greatest range of severe damage, i.e. the greatest range that ~10 psi (69 kPa) of pressure is extended over, is a GR/ground range of 0.4 km for 1 kiloton (kt) of TNT yield; 1.9 km for 100 kt; and 8.6 km for 10 megatons (Mt) of TNT. The optimum height of burst to maximize this desired severe ground range destruction for a 1 kt bomb is 0.22  km; for 100 kt, 1  km; and for 10 Mt, 4.7  km.

Makes sense. If a rigid solid tree branchs didint break neither would electronic/telegraph wires which would be heated by blast therefore making them easier to bend. That is for far away from center i think. These trees arent "under" the fireball as ground zero was.

https://loeildelaphotographie.com/en/icp-hiroshima-ground-zero/

See shadows of power lines? I talked about that. I think that near ground zero overhead shock wave would just rip wires to ground.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on July 18, 2023, 01:20:06 AM
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Photos-of-the-Tunguska-blast-from-the-1921-29-expeditions-Near-the-presumed-epicenter_fig1_328414457

Also, if you have a pole directly under the blast, it wont get damaged much. Wire will blow off, but it will be left standing. The link above is from probably one of the biggest explosions in modern recorded history not from a volcano. A meteorite exploding in mid air, similar to a nuclear bomb.
All the trees under it, are flat, the trees further out collapsed to their side away from the blast.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on July 20, 2023, 10:49:17 PM
I've put together a seven minute piece which asks the question "Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?":

Although this possibility is rarely postulated, and although when it is put forth it always receives scathing incredulity, even from the most skeptical conspiracy theorists, I am certain that the canon of nuclear/atomic explosion footage shown to the public starting in the 1940s was falsified from the beginning.

Nuclear bombs are the cornerstone of the world's military-industrial control structure. It is therefore necessary that, if the current order is to be maintained, everyone must believe in them.

Weird coincidence. I only saw this today, but a few days ago, I found this.

https://theunexpectedcosmology.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/The-Atomic-Bomb-was-a-Hoax-1.pdf

Tbh, I believe nukes were a thing, as they are referenced as far back as the Mahabharata.

https://ancientnuclearwar.com/

But there's the thing: Mahabharata war was around 3000 BC, in the Bronze Age. In fact, the quote, "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds," is a direct pull from the Bhagavad Gita (a book made from an excerpt of the Mahabharata). This isn't a culture that should possess technology. So we should treat it as the story presents it. Magic. Specifically, harmonic resonance magic, as they describe the Brahmastra sutra as a chant.

The thing is, magic can't hurt us anymore because we don't have to believe in it. So fuck all these guys and their light shows.
Title: Re:Starfish prime
Post by: MouseWalker on August 28, 2023, 04:35:44 PM
And there is Starfish prime ; I am an eye witness to what happen in Honolulu that night. Pleas explain what I saw without a nuclear bomb
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on August 29, 2023, 04:45:34 PM
Dont some FE claim that project fishbowl was attempt at breaking dome beacause fishbowl kinda looks like dome? I know its stupid (for multiple reasons) but anyone here knows how operations in US are named. Would be nice if there was more in depth debunking.
Title: Re:Starfish prime
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on August 29, 2023, 10:06:59 PM
And there is Starfish prime ; I am an eye witness to what happen in Honolulu that night. Pleas explain what I saw without a nuclear bomb

Enough TNT can duplicate the explosion supposedly made by a nuke.

Today, Nagasaki and Hiroshima have both recovered, and there is no sign of fallout in the natural world, nor at the outskirts of Chernobyl.

Hiroshima
(https://www.businessinsider.in/photo/65261897/heres-what-hiroshima-looks-like-today-and-how-the-effects-of-the-bombing-still-linger.jpg)

Nagasaki
(https://imgcp.aacdn.jp/img-a/1720/auto/global-aaj-front/article/2020/05/5ed0b1a342da0_5ed0b12395e62_1157861138.jpg)

Chernobyl
https://science.thewire.in/environment/33-years-after-nuclear-accident-chernobyl-becomes-refuge-for-wildlife/
(https://cdn.thewire.in/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/11123051/image_190509_chernobyl_preview.jpg)
(https://images.theconversation.com/files/266142/original/file-20190327-139341-1r7mv8j.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&q=45&auto=format&w=600&h=400&fit=crop&dpr=1)

In all of these pictures, you can see that the trees have regrown.

Bikini Atoll
(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:2000/1*FOeWzUdjO4Db7uWf1E53-Q.jpeg)
(https://www.deeperblue.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/d6040fa6c4df5f6-1920x1440.jpeg)

Fukushima
(https://kosatka.media/uploads/content/novosti/News_Electricity/April_2021/Fukusima_9_04.jpg)

In all cases, shouldn't all the trees look lifeless? If the groundwater is truly tainted by radiation, the plants should the the first to absorb it. In other words, the real test of nukes is how the plants do. You can bomb buildings with regular bombs. Hot enough bombs (literal tons of explosive) can do stuff like make the hole in Bikini. But the real effects of groundwater would be visible. Those are healthy-looking trees.

There may have been nukes in the past (parts of India are off limits after dark, and are permanently off-limits to housing). But they aren't part of current science. It's like if the government convinced everyone they have Greek Fire. And they claim to the public that war is prevented because if things escalate, they have the nuclear option. All to put the public into a fear state so they can be controlled. So they fold under pressure.

Call.
(https://www.acehighpoker.net/uploads/site/07-2021/call_poker_acehigh.jpg)


Title: Re:Starfish prime
Post by: MouseWalker on August 30, 2023, 10:59:21 AM
And there is Starfish prime ; I am an eye witness to what happen in Honolulu that night. Pleas explain what I saw without a nuclear bomb

Enough TNT can duplicate the explosion supposedly made by a nuke.

Today, Nagasaki and Hiroshima have both recovered, and there is no sign of fallout in the natural world, nor at the outskirts of Chernobyl.

Hiroshima
(https://www.businessinsider.in/photo/65261897/heres-what-hiroshima-looks-like-today-and-how-the-effects-of-the-bombing-still-linger.jpg)

Nagasaki
(https://imgcp.aacdn.jp/img-a/1720/auto/global-aaj-front/article/2020/05/5ed0b1a342da0_5ed0b12395e62_1157861138.jpg)

Chernobyl
https://science.thewire.in/environment/33-years-after-nuclear-accident-chernobyl-becomes-refuge-for-wildlife/
(https://cdn.thewire.in/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/11123051/image_190509_chernobyl_preview.jpg)
(https://images.theconversation.com/files/266142/original/file-20190327-139341-1r7mv8j.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&q=45&auto=format&w=600&h=400&fit=crop&dpr=1)

In all of these pictures, you can see that the trees have regrown.

Bikini Atoll
(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:2000/1*FOeWzUdjO4Db7uWf1E53-Q.jpeg)
(https://www.deeperblue.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/d6040fa6c4df5f6-1920x1440.jpeg)

Fukushima
(https://kosatka.media/uploads/content/novosti/News_Electricity/April_2021/Fukusima_9_04.jpg)

In all cases, shouldn't all the trees look lifeless? If the groundwater is truly tainted by radiation, the plants should the the first to absorb it. In other words, the real test of nukes is how the plants do. You can bomb buildings with regular bombs. Hot enough bombs (literal tons of explosive) can do stuff like make the hole in Bikini. But the real effects of groundwater would be visible. Those are healthy-looking trees.

There may have been nukes in the past (parts of India are off limits after dark, and are permanently off-limits to housing). But they aren't part of current science. It's like if the government convinced everyone they have Greek Fire. And they claim to the public that war is prevented because if things escalate, they have the nuclear option. All to put the public into a fear state so they can be controlled. So they fold under pressure.

Call.
(https://www.acehighpoker.net/uploads/site/07-2021/call_poker_acehigh.jpg)
That does not explain day light at midnight.
Title: Re:Starfish prime
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on August 30, 2023, 12:02:06 PM
And there is Starfish prime ; I am an eye witness to what happen in Honolulu that night. Pleas explain what I saw without a nuclear bomb

Enough TNT can duplicate the explosion supposedly made by a nuke.

Today, Nagasaki and Hiroshima have both recovered, and there is no sign of fallout in the natural world, nor at the outskirts of Chernobyl.

Hiroshima
(https://www.businessinsider.in/photo/65261897/heres-what-hiroshima-looks-like-today-and-how-the-effects-of-the-bombing-still-linger.jpg)

Nagasaki
(https://imgcp.aacdn.jp/img-a/1720/auto/global-aaj-front/article/2020/05/5ed0b1a342da0_5ed0b12395e62_1157861138.jpg)

Chernobyl
https://science.thewire.in/environment/33-years-after-nuclear-accident-chernobyl-becomes-refuge-for-wildlife/
(https://cdn.thewire.in/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/11123051/image_190509_chernobyl_preview.jpg)
(https://images.theconversation.com/files/266142/original/file-20190327-139341-1r7mv8j.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&q=45&auto=format&w=600&h=400&fit=crop&dpr=1)

In all of these pictures, you can see that the trees have regrown.

Bikini Atoll
(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:2000/1*FOeWzUdjO4Db7uWf1E53-Q.jpeg)
(https://www.deeperblue.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/d6040fa6c4df5f6-1920x1440.jpeg)

Fukushima
(https://kosatka.media/uploads/content/novosti/News_Electricity/April_2021/Fukusima_9_04.jpg)

In all cases, shouldn't all the trees look lifeless? If the groundwater is truly tainted by radiation, the plants should the the first to absorb it. In other words, the real test of nukes is how the plants do. You can bomb buildings with regular bombs. Hot enough bombs (literal tons of explosive) can do stuff like make the hole in Bikini. But the real effects of groundwater would be visible. Those are healthy-looking trees.

There may have been nukes in the past (parts of India are off limits after dark, and are permanently off-limits to housing). But they aren't part of current science. It's like if the government convinced everyone they have Greek Fire. And they claim to the public that war is prevented because if things escalate, they have the nuclear option. All to put the public into a fear state so they can be controlled. So they fold under pressure.

Call.
(https://www.acehighpoker.net/uploads/site/07-2021/call_poker_acehigh.jpg)

How were thousands of tons of tnt transported into sky as a single unit (since there was only one explosion)
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on August 31, 2023, 06:43:14 AM
There's something called TNT equivalent. In other words, a bomb that is particularly explosive is equal to a certain number of tons of dynamite. This is beca dynamite has a set amount of energy, and so does a ton of it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent

I didn't know this myself before researching.

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TNT equivalent is a convention for expressing energy, typically used to describe the energy released in an explosion. The ton of TNT is a unit of energy defined by convention to be 4.184 gigajoules (1 gigacalorie),[1] which is the approximate energy released in the detonation of a metric ton (1,000 kilograms) of TNT. In other words, for each gram of TNT exploded, 4.184 kilojoules (or 4,184 joules) of energy are released.

They are not carting around literal tons of dynamite. They have an explosive better than dynamite. Why is it not nuclear, you ask? Why must it be nuclear, I respond.

The point being, in all the above tests of power of this new weapon, years passed, and trees are still growing. No radiation turned all life into withered husks. It is simply either high explosive or the result of a chain explosion. They made dure to take a pretty picture for the camera though.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on August 31, 2023, 07:50:43 AM
There's something called TNT equivalent. In other words, a bomb that is particularly explosive is equal to a certain number of tons of dynamite. This is beca dynamite has a set amount of energy, and so does a ton of it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent

I didn't know this myself before researching.

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TNT equivalent is a convention for expressing energy, typically used to describe the energy released in an explosion. The ton of TNT is a unit of energy defined by convention to be 4.184 gigajoules (1 gigacalorie),[1] which is the approximate energy released in the detonation of a metric ton (1,000 kilograms) of TNT. In other words, for each gram of TNT exploded, 4.184 kilojoules (or 4,184 joules) of energy are released.

They are not carting around literal tons of dynamite. They have an explosive better than dynamite. Why is it not nuclear, you ask? Why must it be nuclear, I respond.

The point being, in all the above tests of power of this new weapon, years passed, and trees are still growing. No radiation turned all life into withered husks. It is simply either high explosive or the result of a chain explosion. They made dure to take a pretty picture for the camera though.

Yes, years have passed.  While large doses of radiation will kill vegetation, unless the high radiation dose remains constant, vegetation will regrow.

You clearly don't understand how radiation emissions from nuclear weapons work and how areas that still have radioactive emissions can still have vegetation grow.
Title: Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?
Post by: MouseWalker on September 21, 2023, 05:11:41 PM
There's something called TNT equivalent. In other words, a bomb that is particularly explosive is equal to a certain number of tons of dynamite. This is beca dynamite has a set amount of energy, and so does a ton of it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent

I didn't know this myself before researching.

Quote
TNT equivalent is a convention for expressing energy, typically used to describe the energy released in an explosion. The ton of TNT is a unit of energy defined by convention to be 4.184 gigajoules (1 gigacalorie),[1] which is the approximate energy released in the detonation of a metric ton (1,000 kilograms) of TNT. In other words, for each gram of TNT exploded, 4.184 kilojoules (or 4,184 joules) of energy are released.

They are not carting around literal tons of dynamite. They have an explosive better than dynamite. Why is it not nuclear, you ask? Why must it be nuclear, I respond.

The point being, in all the above tests of power of this new weapon, years passed, and trees are still growing. No radiation turned all life into withered husks. It is simply either high explosive or the result of a chain explosion. They made dure to take a pretty picture for the camera though.
to see the flash of light as bright as a camera flash over the hole valley causing the street light to go out ; the hole island was lit up.